Let's finally settle this
Which was better?
>>69338649
Civil War.
>>69338649
Attention-seeking teenagers and cunnyfags please leave.
>>69338649
BvS
>>69338649
BvS
BvS has shit reviews, so Civil War.
Civil War
>>69338649
People might argue that BvS is not that much of a trainwreck as it is made out to be. But is there really an argument that it is a good movie? Like that it is not horribly flawed?Martha!!!
>>69338683
>i want this board to be empty
rest in peace /tv/
>>69338649
Financial results indicate Civil War
BvS
Civil War was entertaining
>>69338649
Batman v Superman
>>69338733
That would be wonderful.
>>69338649
Is blue and red the new blue and orange for movie posters /tv/?
>>69338649
>characters
Both were retarded
>villains
CW
>fight
BvS
>visuals
BvS
>plot
CW
Overall I enjoyed them just the same.
>>69338649
And while you're at it, take /got/ with you.Who am I kidding, the console war kiddies and /got/ autists are the same people.
>>69338821
>Fight
>BvS
Worst taste
>>69338649
DC fan here. Civil War is better. And I'm not even mad at all the hate BvS is getting. Deserves every bit of it. Movie is a mess.
But I'll still continue to defend Man of Steel. Fuck y'all.
>>69338649
Civil war
Anybody that says BvS is baiting
>>69338649
Civil War.
But this is a b8 thread so who am I kidding?
>>69338649
Civil War.
I would really love to see Civil War but from Zemo's POV.
No need for big budget, just full on Bruhl.
>>69338649
Critics, fans, and box office all agree Civil War was the better film. Only asshurt DC die hards think BvS was as good or better.
>>69338649
Both were underwhelming as fuck with 1 highlight in the movie but Civil War was better I guess.
>>69338649
Its the same movie told again but with quips, if thats what makes a movie "good" nowadays then we truly are in darktimes.
>action : bvs
>plot : bvs
>cinematography : bvs
>soundtracks : bvs
>characters : bvs
>villain : not muh revenge garbage tier zemo.
>>69340611
>people actually believe this
>>69338861
>Zod battle
>Dock chase
>B V S
>Doomsday fight
Yes, BvS
>>69338649
I don't know
I doesn't consume jewish media
>>69340672
Snyder pls go
>>69338649
BvS
CW was fun to watch, but it was fucking bland as fuck.
Civil War
I haven't received my check from Disney so
BvS
>>69338649
How much longer is this BvS is a good movie meme going to last? Is there a shelf life or a sell by date or something?
>>69340672
>villain : not muh revenge garbage tier zemo.
Eh, still superior than Lex 'muh papa hit me so God must be dead, ding ding ding ding' Luthor.
>>69340954
Until all this smart & intelligent (lol) DCucks going out from their basement and get a quality life, which means 'never' I think.
>>69340954
Wait until Suicide Squad and Justice League bombing.
It might settle that.
Oh, and maybe after Wonder Woman gangbanged by critics
Hated Both. I thought the motivation for the parties in both movies were absolute trash.
There were some cool things though. Civil War definitely had the best airport battle. However, Batfleck rocked everything.
And I actually liked BVS Lex Luther. I never wanted to a movie villain get punched in the face as badly as I did this guy.
>>69338649Civil War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM869j1rdeY
>>69340677
Disprove it then
>>69341945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okBG7oz_Gto
He was just thinking about his PvP build.
>>69338649
Civil War this is coming from big batman fan
>>69342494
>big batman fan
no u r not, disney paid u to say that
Batman v Superman because Civil War was a bland family-friendly version of BvS.
BvS at least tried, albeit with many flaws, to present itself as a film, Civil War is simply another Marvel flick.
>>69338649
BvS
>>69338734
>financial results indicate McDonalds makes the best food
Boy that was tough to refute
Civil War > BvS
Batman warehouse fight > Civil War airport fight
>>69338649
BvS
>>69338649
I found civil war to be much more satisfying
>>69338722
It is quite flawed. Civil war was so formulaic that it didn't even have the chance to be flawed. I prefer bvs, not that I intend to ever watch it again. I think overall it's a more respectable endeavor/product.
>>69342767
BvS fans invited that when they tried to use the opening night numbers to justify BvS as the better movie.
>>69341076
>>69338649
Batman V Superman
>>69343357
>can't even quote the movie correctly
BATMAN v SUPERMAN.
>>69343791
So much for smart and intelligent person who spending 24/7 of their lives dissecting every parts of their own turd movie.
>>69338649
High art auteur film BvS or soulless corporate cash grab Civil War? Tough choice.
>>69344123
but his wife got killed in that hotdog stand in avengers during the alien invasion and now he wants revenge. thats deep dude
>>69338649
Equal
>>69344123
>b-b-but muh easily correctable Bucky misunderstanding
CW had ANTS. And Lizfu. And Hawkeye.
BVS had uh. Mercy?
>Can you move your seat up?
>....no.
>>69340378
take your kino and run far far away
I found both dull as fuck, but at least BvS
>looked pretty sometimes
>Bats vs Supes battle was cool
Civil War had zero interesting things in it. They even managed to turn Tony Stark into moody joyless faggot
BvS all the way
>>69338649
You'd be better off comparing BvS to Age of Ultron bundled with Ghost Rider and Daredevil.
>Howard Stark doesn't get along with Tony because he has literally everything, brains and skills and abilities out the ass, he can solve problems super geniuses can't wen he's blind drunk and build better tech than his dad, IN A CAVE, FROM A BOX OF SCRAPS but instead of using it to make the world a better place he parties and bangs random girls
>His dad compares him to Steve Rogers, who had literally nothing but was given one chance and used it not just to make the world better but actually save it
>Steve shatters what was once Tony's heart with a shield made by Howard
>but there's no depth, no allegory, no meaning to anything in CW, BvS is too complex for normies to understand GEE HE LOOKS LIKE JESUS HERE, PISS JARS, MARTHA, and OH YOU THOUGHT SPACE JESUS WAS DEAD?
>>69344894
yeah sure buddy, marvel wont even acknowledge that tony stark was kidnapped and tortured. im sad they didnt in this movie
>>69344894
>this level of rationalizing the fact the he likes movies aimed at children and made to sell toys
>>69344985
He's shown to have PTSD and survivor's guilt the whole time since then. It's the whole reason he built Ultron and wants the accords, he wants everyone to be safe and for the world to have rules that force it to make sense.
Besides, he wants Bucky locked up for everyone's safety. He only goes to full-on ragebeast mode after literally watching Bucky crush his father's skull and choke his mother to death. Emotions are a thing.
>>69344392
>implying that was funny
>imlying Hawkeye had any reason to be there
>>69344392
>quiptain america: quip war
BvS was shit and if you liked it your a fag.
>>69345086
>He only goes to full-on ragebeast mode
yeah i didnt see the emotion in that. robert downey jr should have gave a better performance showing anger but he didnt.
>>69342767
They objectively do, hence the sales. Boy that was hard to refute.
>>69344894
>piss jars
not even memeing, you honestly just didn't get the film
>>69345300
>misses Tony's voice breaking and nearly tearing up as he says "Sonofabitch killed my mom!"
>he could have acted it better
Dude, no. Just no. BvS failed to live up to its hype. CW is exceeding expectations.
I'm not going to tell you that you can't enjoy one more than the other for subjective reasons but objectively CW is better. The only reason BvS is getting its defence here is because of memes and contrarianism, not because it's the superior product.
There will be no Civil war threads in 5 months
We will have BvS Threads for years to come.
there's nothing to speal about Civil war aside:
The action and cgi looked like crap
Black panther, spiderman and Ant-man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steve and tony
muh 78! victims and how scared the movie was of collateral victims
And what was cool and what wasnt.
Is not shit, is not bad, it's a decent movie, but there's no much else to say abouit it. I liked it, buit Ant-Man was better,
>>69345460
hes literally watching his parents getting killed in a video and hes not crying or being angry.
>now im pissed
you know the line in the trailer where he says
>YOU JUST STARTED A WAR
thats emotion and anger and thats not even in the movie.
1st half of the movie was great but the 2nd half is not so good.
>>69345490
>CW essentially boils down to shallow discussion of who was right
>barely scratched the surface with BvS deeper analysis
Why do Marvelfags even try?
Have not seen batman vs superman but civil war was pretty lame
>>69345490
>We will have BvS Threads for years to come.
We barely have any BvS threads now, and the few there are are laughing at it.
BvS will forever be a black stain in superhero movies, and i'm glad it got put down.
>>69343182
>Civil war was so formulaic
You're literally just saying it at this point because it's Marvel.
>>69340611
I just finished watching the leak copy. To my surprise there is a severe lack of quips. It almost makes The Dark Knight look like a comedy.
>>69345774
I love the willfully ignorant. Never stop senpai
>>69345774
>We barely have any BvS threads now, and the few there are are laughing at it.
In this same thread a majority of people prefered it to Civil War you cuck lmao
Civil War because I at least cared about what was happening.
In BvS I never cared about anyone because nobody was likeable, Superman was a douchebag, and the same for Batman, so I ended up siding with Lex because it's true we can't have an invincible psychopath flying around.
Plus the entire movie was 2 hours of build up to a fight where Batman beats Superman with a toilet, and then they become friends to fight a cavetroll.
It was a gigantic mess and i'm not surprised people didn't like it.
Don't know what to say about Wonder Woman.
She was useless, the attempts at making her look ''badass'' were lame, and Gal Gadot is a horrible actress.
Wouldn't be surprised if Wonder Woman flopped.
>>69340734
If you really think that Doomsday fight was good, then you have shit taste.
>>69345875
Oh yeah, we do have a BvS thread that pops every now and then that it's basically copypastas pasted again and again.
Then when the pastas stop coming, the thread dies.
In fact, that pic is associated with those pastas.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/Hnbszkk9Ch6S37VfAoE5JA/
>>69340734
The Doomsday fight was a horrible and gross CGI clusterfuck.
It was legitimately bad CGI.
I was just baffled at how bad and artificial everything looked.
Same problem with MoS, but it's Snyder's problem when he just makes 100% CGI scenes with whatever hacks they hire for it.
>>69338649
BvS, easily
>>69338649
Civil War.
I don't think there's any good aspect in BvS.
Even Batman was fucked with Snyder's retardation.
The movie was just really boring and there was no attempt at making me care about the characters.
Doubt anyone gave a fuck about Superman dying.
Not that it matters since he's going to revive in 3 days like our lord Jesus Christ.
Might keep an eye in Suicide Squad, but I have zero anticipation to watch Justice League or any of the other solo movies.
![1462574986811[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0tgDe2B.jpg "1462574986811[1].jpg")
Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and soulless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.
Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.
When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Civil War or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangars for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.
Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.
>>69346451
Holy shit marvelcucks anal integrity compromised af
>>69346451
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/KCmgoNixvmvnjfMuujJO2g/
>posted 10 times in one day
lmao mad as fuck DCuck detected
>>69338649
I've watched both and I enjoyed BvS more although the last fight scene was dumb as fuck.
>>69346582
MoS threads lasted for 3 years, what makes you think BvS a movie that has even more things to talk about won't? Especially with a expented version that includes a full documental wont?
>>69346660
Because DCfags had nothing else to talk about, not a single other movie released in 3 years, so you spent your free time trying to convince people that it wasn't garbage.
90% of those threads were a variant of STOP INVINCIBLE SON anyway.
>>69346660
100% meme threads.
Might as well show off how The Dark Knight Rises has been talked about for 4 years already due to baneposting.
Are you basically showing off that DC created more memorable memes?
>>69345774
Dude, Civil War is objectively just as bad, and the only reason it's doing well is because of brand name.
>>69346582
The Marvel Studios fandom is full of generic cunts who try to seem quirky and unique by identifying heavily with a slightly offbeat fandom such as the Marvel Cinematic Universe "But wait, that's actually incredibly mainstream and not offbeat at all!" you say. And you're right. But actual offbeat things don't give as much 'nerd' cred, and these things have more creative value than reality TV so people on Tumblr can make posts such as "Why are all girls nowadays such idiots who watch Jersey Shore? I'm very unique because I like nerdy intelligent stuff like Iron Man 3, and I like quirky men like Tom Hiddleston and Mark Ruffalo teehee, look at this repeating gif of 0.5 seconds of Loki doing a thing with his face and a theory about how all the Marvel movies are connected and Thanos is going to collect all the Infinity Gems except in the movies none of them are really "gems" at all and here is some fanart of all the Avengers gender swapped and with less sexist costumes and they all have the exact same fucking face with that bulbous red nose also did you know that I am a girl who likes superheroes I know it's hard to believe but it is true I AM AN AVENGERS look at this gif of Tony Stark raising his eyebrow, anyway The Avengers is sexist because Black Widow's costume is too tight and unrealistic for a special agent so here is a redesign of her in figure hiding combat fatigues because I am progressive. Does anyone else think that Hulk and Iron Man would make a good couple? TEE HEE I LOVE GAYS BECAUSE I AM SO TOTALLY NOT HOMOPHOBIC EVEN THOUGH I TREAT GAYS AS AN AMUSING NOVELTY Rocket Racoon for president!"
>>69346824
Why so angry tho.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/The%20Marvel%20Studios%20fandom%20is%20full%20of%20generic%20cunts%20who%20try%20to%20seem/
>>69338649
Civil War was better, not perfect but better.
I'm still flabbergasted by how poorly handled Batman v Superman was. Like it...should...be...the...fucking...perfect superhero movie, it has no right not to be. The only good thing about it was Ben Affleck which is ironic because that was everyone's main concern going into it. Like FUCK ME why couldn't it have been good and who fucked it up? Was it Warner Brothers, Zach Snyder? Both?
I'm not sure but I'm going back to watching DC animated films and I hope whoever fucked this up hangs themselves.
>BvS over Civil War
>visual
>cinematography
>music score
>warehouse scene
>Civil War over BvS
>more coherent storyline
>the characters
>better villain
>more creative action choreography
I would say BvS has more style, but CW felt more balance between style and substance
>>69346788
No it isn't.
The entire movie doesn't make any sense.
There's a lot of pacing issues with it and inconsistencies.
I mean, there's a fight scene with Batman that serves no purpose, you could get rid of it and the story would remain the same.
Yet Batman steals the kriptonite off screen.
Or the ''Consider this mercy'' scene.
What was all that about?
>Hey Batman, stop killing bad guys even though I do exactly the same thing.
It feels like they didn't know what to do to make Superman dislike Batman.
And it's funny because in the end, this is pointless, they end up fighting because Lex ruses them into doing that.
It basically ignores it's own title, Batman v Superman.
It's two hours of just scenes happening, some ''building up'' a conflict that lasts 5 minutes and then they are all friends anyway.
I also remember having a laughing fit in the ''Is she with you?'' scene because in the trailers it didn't look that bad, but in the movie you have Superman and Batman wondering this while some fucking electronic music was playing in the background, it's fucking hilarious.
In the end, it feels like it's not only because of the writing and the plot in general, but because the editing is fucking atrocious.
It tried to be smart, but it thoroughly failed and in fact there's some really stupid things in it.
Is BvS better than Citizen Kane?
How many dream sequences did Civil War have?
I haven't seen it yet so I'm not sure.
>>69347189
It didn't.
>>69347044
Yes.
>>69347189
i guess the bucky scenes and the repetitive car scene counts in 1991
>>69338649
BvS.
They were both meh as fuck
>>69346942
more coherant story line?
what was the reason for signing, what would even be the result if they dont, they are alredy stronger than govenment, they stopped alien invasion where was govenment, who the fuck was the villian he literaly was the more conveiently lucky guy everything just fellinto place for him yet was somehow a better villian than ultron, just knew avengers where signing a treaty just knew bucky kill tonys parents, just knew they would all cometogether to meet him at the end, just knew they would fight in the aerport
bucky killing the starks was recorded on a tree that isnt even in the shot before hand, nice
>>69344123
>Film up to the hour mark only allows you glimpses of Afflecks Batmab
>That scene of Batman with the rifle, when you know shits about to go down
>That subtle teasing of when we get to see Affleck in the suit
>That glorious reveal when he gets out of the car, in his full glory, to stand up to Superman
One of the things the film did extremely well, I thought
>>69344894
The fact that you didn't get the beauty of the Martha scene, and threw it in with piss jars and the Jesus crap, just utterly dismissed your opinion
>>69347346
>what was the reason for signing
Civilian casualties because of the Avengers.
>what would even be the result if they dont
Either stop operating, or you are going to jail.
>who the fuck was the villian he literaly was the more conveiently lucky guy everything just fellinto place for him yet was somehow a better villian than ultron
Are you talking about Zemo or the Joker?
>bucky killing the starks was recorded on a tree that isnt even in the shot before hand, nice
Are you going to compare that with
>Lois throughs kriptonite spear to the water
>Batman tells Superman that he needs it
>for no reason at all, Lois goes back and picks it up
>>69347346
>but muh bucky
>>69346788
I get the impression that the reviewers expected CW to be better than it was, and didn't want to look like idiots
>people still thinks that WB audience is different from Marvel
https://youtu.be/PexDH0GkQ5Q
>>69347013
>No it isn't.
You seem upset. And the fact you can't see that both movies are equally just as bad means you are looking at this through some Marvelously speckled goggles.
> The entire movie doesn't make any sense.
Agrees. But so was Civil War.
There's a lot of pacing issues with it and inconsistencies.
Seemed about the same to me.
> I mean, there's a fight scene with Batman that serves no purpose, you could get rid of it and the story would remain the same.
Civil War could have done without the airport fight. Did Hawkeye, SWitch, Vision, Antman and Spiderman have to be there
> Yet Batman steals the kriptonite off screen.
And thank God. The movie was already too long anyway
>Or the ''Consider this mercy'' scene.
What was all that about?
That was actually nice
>Hey Batman, stop killing bad guys even though I do exactly the same thing.
> It feels like they didn't know what to do to make Superman dislike Batman.
I agree with this
> And it's funny because in the end, this is pointless, they end up fighting because Lex ruses them into doing that.
And this is a problem because? It's Lex Fn Luthor. I applaud the movie for making him even more unlikeable
> It basically ignores it's own title, Batman v Superman.
Your an idiot
> It's two hours of just scenes happening, some ''building up'' a conflict that lasts 5 minutes and then they are all friends anyway.
Like you were expecting any different. What is a superhero movie?
> I also remember having a laughing fit in the ''Is she with you?'' scene because in the trailers it didn't look that bad, but in the movie you have Superman and Batman wondering this while some fucking electronic music was playing in the background, it's fucking hilarious.
Then the scene did its job
> It tried to be smart, but it thoroughly failed and in fact there's some really stupid things in it.
TOTALLY AGREE HATE SNYDER
The batman warehouse scene was better than the airport avengers scene
I watched them both yesterday and I found them both to be weirdly depressing as fuck. I expected it somewhat with BvS, but Snyder went full overdrive, grimdark. As for Civil War, I was expecting it to be dark for a Marvel movie, but not to this level. That might have been due to that Fincher-esque piss filter on the leak, but the fucking climax has Tony Stark watching grainy security cam footage of his father being beat to death and his mother strangled. All this so a guy could fracture the Avengers to avenge his family's deaths and an-hero in peace.
>>69347592
dude did you get that star wars reference? that was hella epic
>>69347559
>And thank God. The movie was already too long anyway
But why waste a scene with a completely unrelated fight, when they could have showed him stealing the Kriptonite?
>That was actually nice
It was Superman being an uncharacteristic asshole.
>And this is a problem because?
Because Snyder sold this movie as a conflict of ideologies.
>Your an idiot
Am I?
The movie is called Batman vs Superman, but the climax is Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman fighting a troll.
>Like you were expecting any different. What is a superhero movie?
Civil War did it.
30 minutes of build-up, and the rest of the movie is conflict.
>Then the scene did its job
Snyder wanted me to laugh at the ridiculousness of the scene?
>>69347592
That's unfair, the warehouse scene was just extremely well done. The non-spiderman and antman scenes were just bad.
>>69347653
>The movie is called Batman vs Superman, but the climax is Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman fighting a troll.
Uh...civil war didn't climax with the avengers fighting
>>69347659
But it's not.
The warehouse fight was fucking hilarious.
Lost my shit when the Batmobile did a spin to smash one car into another.
Seriously, seeing Batman murdering people like a ruthless psycopath is one of the funniest things i've seen in superhero movies.
>>69344811
>>69344811
>BvS and Daredevil
both starring by affleck
POETRY
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>>69347689
No, it climaxed with Iron Man and Cap fighting, just like in the comics.
Civil War delivered what it promised, BvS did not.
Just like all of Snyder's movies, they are movies to make trailers out of them, the movies themselves are clusterfucks.
>>69347733
What was the third act in CW anon
>>69338649
BvS was a terrible movie, civil war had lots of problems, it was just more of the same shit, Deadpool was the better film.
Civil War.
>>69347792
The aftermath of the airport fight and the syberian bunker.
>mfw there's people out there that still think about BvS
>>69338649
Walked out of BvS at about 80-90 minutes.
It was really boring and there was nothing engaging about the scenes.
>>69347823
Did it involve the avengers fighting
>>69347874
It involved Captain America and Iron Man fighting, the heart of the civil war, and it never stopped being about the Civil War.
BvS dropped the Batman vs Superman part 5 minutes into the actual fight.
>>69347868
>he didn't realise the first half was a political thriller and the second half a balls to the wall action film
Anon...
>>69347910
Oh that's the funny part, the ''consequences'' of MoS' destruction just get dropped the moment the wheelchair bomb explodes.
Everything about that stops mattering that moment.
It's even better because a fuckload of people died and Superman has just this annoyed look in his face.
This entire movie is just a compilation of everything that a superhero movie should not be, and everything that Superman is not.
>>69344894
You are exactly right and God bless you.
-A friend
>>69347910
A political thriller about a guy who shoots lasers from his eyes not liking that a guy cosplaying as a bat does exactly the same as he does?
Civil war is a better made film no question, however... I still enjoyed bvs a lot more and I can't explain why.
Civil war just seemed so bland/ generic and there was a feeling of "I've seen this before" bvs has a lot of flaws and it's clear to see but it was awesome at the same time
I'm not being a contrarian, I loved bvs
>>69347910
>first half was a political thriller
>>69338649
Civil War.
BvS is just fan during the 5 minute fight between Batman and Superman.
The rest is just scenes that seem to pretend I care about these two guys that I know almost nothing about.
Superman is a douchebag, Batman is Batman.
Wonder Woman is a whole different beast because everything about her is just horrible.
She has an israeli accent for no reason, one of the blandest characters i've seen in superhero movies, does absolutely nothing, plus Gal Gaddot is just a horrible actress.
>>69338755
kek
>>69347696
>Lost my shit when the Batmobile did a spin to smash one car into another.
That's not the warehouse fight, no wonder you guys missed the ubermensch and prometheus parallelism in the movie,
>>69348155
Is the prometheus symbolism going to make Superman more likeable?
>>69348174
I have a lady friend who moists herself hardcore whenever he's on screen. He does his job.
![20090814_armondwhite090223_250x375[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eXbAR3w.jpg "20090814_armondwhite090223_250x375[1].jpg")
Over
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433246/batman-v-superman-culture-war-gets-mythic
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435036/captain-america-superheroes-dumbed-down
>>69348327
Not a surprise a fan of Transformers 2 and GI Joe movies liked BvS.
>>69348327
How is Based Armond right about everything?
![1462736903328[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jX1YT6Q.jpg "1462736903328[1].jpg")
http://www.thegekdom.com/home/2016/4/30/a-thesis-on-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
>Zack Snyder and WB fully knew they are going to alienate some moviegoers and critics by having a subtle narrative disguised as a superhero action movie because there will be some plot elements which might fly over the heads of some people and as a result they might not understand the story in its entirety (The Martha moment being the best example) .
>Secondly, this movie has a postmodern (deconstructive) narrative and this kind of narrative is meant to challenge our preconceived notions, beliefs, ideas and way of thinking. So, automatically a postmodern movie tends to be controversial by its nature but they took the risks and this shows their commitment towards the DC property.
![1462850080911[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Z8MTNbW.jpg "1462850080911[1].png")
Reminder
>>69348393
>don't worry guys, we knew it was going to be shit
>>69348435
Or Disney bribed everyone to keep their monopoly on superhero movies.
The masses are way too stupid to understand any of that.
>>69347910
>political thriller
So as Winter Soldier was.
![BvS-15[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/4hKRyHw.png "BvS-15[1].png")
>>69348435
>>69348393
>>69348327
That's a KO guys.
Everybody can go home now, consider this mercy.
>>69344894
wah wah daddy and mommy are dead after we had a 30 minute exposition on them - tony stark
>>69345490
>We will have BvS Threads for years to come.
>We will waste our life proving this movie is not completely shit and we will not moving on until everyone accept our opinion. Everyone who didn't agree with us is compete retard and God will be proud with us because our movie is associated with his image.
Sounds great.
Civil War
Captain America and it's not even close. I'll always have a place in my heart for BvS though because of how absolutely ridiculous most of it is.
>>69338907
DC fan here, too
the MCU is fantastic and does just about everything right
>>69338821
>characters
Civil War slightly
>villains
>CW hands down
>fight
Civil War
>visuals
BvS
>plot
CW
>>69348596
>that's KO
Yeah, I have never knocked so hard laughing at how my point is proven immediately >>69348670
>>69348327
>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435036/captain-america-superheroes-dumbed-down
>In a similar sense, Civil War exploits recent political trends such as Black Lives Matter. Black actress Alfre Woodard (whose portrayal of a comically psychotic wench was the only convincing characterization in 12 Years a Slave) appears as a grieving mother who blames Stark — standing in for the Military Industrial Complex — for the death of her child, a promising youth with a 3.6 grade-point average. Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
FUCK.
>>69348174
>prometheus
>superman
Are you dense or just dumb?
>>69348393
>by having a subtle narrative disguised
Subtle narrative my ass, the movie was made by a guy who shouldn't be directing movies, there's no narrative, the acting is terrible and the action is laughably bad, awkwardly
disguised with fast cuts and lots cgi effects that cover over 90% of the movie, give me a fucking break, stop saying the movie is good and we don't understand it, Zack Snyder is a manchild who is still obsessed with the Watchowski brothers style of movie making, he's no better than Owe ball.
>>69348872
>Black comics fans are an immediate target of Marvel Studios’ exploitation. Note the scene where Black Widow, played by the white, ultra-sexy Johansson, is confronted by Black Panther’s aide, a Nubian queen with fore and aft protrusions and powerful swagger. She threatens Black Widow: “Move or you will be moved!”
>>69348872
Why does Armond see parallels with 9/11, nigger issues and democrat vs republican debates in every single movie he watches?
>>69348945
because movies nowadays take inspirations from modern politics, yms also mentioned this
>>69348872
The trivializing has grabbed such hold that when a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art (the profound Man of Steel and Batman v Superman), many fanboys, and critics, react with anger, resentment — and ignorance. To praise Civil War as entertainment is to accept its puerile conflicts. This is the moral reduction that has happened to American youth culture in the wake of the generational dissents of the Vietnam War. Movies as violent as the Marvel flicks are not pacifist but are proof of anti-military sentiment — such as became evident in the confused Ferguson protestations about “militarized police,” a foolish, redundant term exploited by manipulative media outlets and politicians. Civil War furbishes aggression simply to excite viewers who are as programmed as poor Bucky.
Wow
>>69348945
Because they're there, and they're not there to be deep. They're there to make money.
>>69348908
They can't set the symbolism right, sometime Superman is prometheus, sometime he is Moby Dick, sometime he is king Arthur, sometime he (and Batman) is Jesus.
They're being inconsistent.
>>69349027
>genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art
No wonder this guy is never taken seriously.
>>69348872
>>In a similar sense, Civil War exploits recent political trends such as Black Lives Matter.
>Wanda sends Hulk into the city full of dindunuffin
>Wanda threw Crossbone with grenade into the Nigerian hospital
>Vision almost killed Warmachine, after he hurts Wanda with hjs sonic weapon
>Black Panther cannot kill Bucky while Bucky fights in non-lethal style
>>69349031
>>69349025
Armond could see 9/11 paralells even in movies that came out in the 90's.
>>69349079
Care to explain how that is not correct?
>>69349027
>a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder
>>69349159
Snyder is a talentless hack who has never delivered a movie with a proper plot and who, even in his 50's, still comes up with film-school tier shots like this.
A Marvel flick will never inspire this depth of discussion, all I need to know.
>>69128743
Civil War, however I enjoyed BvS more as it simply felt fresher in today's $200 million blockbuster culture.
>>69349108
9/11 is analogous to a lot of m events through history. Any thing that was based on a Pearl Harbor style attack could be viewed from modern perspectives as a 9/11 analogy. It's pretty universal.
>>69349223
Those threads are made up 100% of copypastas.
The moment the copypasta dump ends, the thread dies.
At this point, I think you are just spamming these threads to say
>LOOK HOW DEEP OUR DISCUSSIONS ARE
>>69340734
CW had ANTS
CW - 1; BvS - 0
>>69349223
>BvS maed funneh we r smart maymays, so is good
>>69349223
>discussion
>40 posts
>>69338676
first post best post
>>69349194
Shill tactics, everyone.
Note that he's been explained countless times the meaning of the imagery.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/BUdoEGE1szPYUTI0Ltw1mA/
>>69349317
>searching by MD5 data
You'd have a point if the filenames were the same.
>>69349317
That's shilling, but this is not?
>>69346843
>>69346582
>>69338649
CACW
>>69349317
>Please refer to this contrarian thread of pasta and trolls
No ta.
>>69349194
Funny, that shot is better than EVERY SINGLE shot in civil war
>>69348492
The point is they didn't have to pay anyone. It's tribal. Critics are pansy liberal bloggers. They can't relate to Batman because they don't feel his rage, and they can't relate to Superman because they're anything but ideal.
Notice who they all praise - WONDER WOMAN, who had such a small role and barely did anything. But because they can relate to superficial things (beauty, cosmetics) and media, and memes (4U CIA, movie clips) they love her. Snyder played the audience like a fiddle and theyre still being exposed as literal retards.
BvS is ahead of its time
>>69349473
Civil War doesn't try to show pretty shots.
Snyder does, and that's the pretentious garbage he comes up with when he's already in his 50's, which means he will be a hack the rest of his life.
>>69349317
I like how when someone explains what the religious imagery means, supports it with multiple examples, and explains how it figures into the themes, character motivations, and what it might mean for future plot developments, idiots just call them autists.
>>69349473
Zac Snyder makes beautiful stills, but there's more to a movie than still images.
>>69348911
they're the Watchowski sisters now shitlord
>>69349476
>Notice who they all praise - WONDER WOMAN
Bat Affleck got more praise than anyone. Even haters admit that Ben is a great Batman. Honestly the DC universe should just be street level Batman films.
I had my doubts but this thread confirms it once again.
>>69349579
Critics were blatantly pro Wonder Woman. Go read the reviews
>>69349588
It doesn't confirm jack shit bruh
>>69349552
he's always gonna be a dude to me fag emperor
>>69349636
>Go read the reviews
I did. She was very praised, so was Ben though, and they often went into much greater detail over how good a job Ben did.
>>69349476
>BvS is ahead of its time
The movie came too late. The movie has Luthor talking about Prometheus in one escene and then going full frankenstein and yet you see idiots in /tv/ that believe people that understand the movie are inventing the meaning.
The modern public is so stupid that they get confused at simple movies like Inception and think interstellar is complex, now the public thinks cape movies need to be just like marvel pop corn flicks, Snyder can have tons of flaws but the guy at least is trying to do something different.
>>69349223
It was called 'moving on'
Seriously, what you're doing right now is just ridiculing yourself and whatever dignity that's left on BvS.
Stop it, You're not helping your favorite franchise at all.
>>69349647
it's been proven time and time again that marvelfags are beta nu-male cucks
>>69349514
>Civil War doesn't try to show pretty shots.
I know, it looks like a tv show.
>>69349525
>>69349525
They only understand jesus imagery since it's all they are familiar with. Tell the about bruce being an ubermensch and they will think you are inventing words.
>People like BvS
/tv/ is contrarian! Look at the RT score.
>People explain why they like BvS and support it with analysis and discussion
>DCuck apologists!
No intelligent arguments to be found by Marveldrones, deflection and banal, shallow mocking is their creed.
>>69349514
>Civil War doesn't try to show pretty shots.
Civil War doesn't try to do anything but put asses in seats, and by that metric it's a resounding success. Unfortunately, it doesn't have anything to bring to the table other than blatant, zero-consequence fan service while cynically calculating that its fans will overlook blatant mischaracterization and holes in the logic of its plot.
>>69349802
>Proud of loving lolis
what is this ? I don't even.
>>69340734
>this shit taste
the best fight scene was Batman rescuing Martha. not any of that trash. the doomsday fight almost ruined the film.
Compare it to the CGI fest that was the CW airport scene, and look at all the imaginative ways they had each character face off against each other. Rather than bright colors blaring on screen in order to distract you from the fact that nothing is happening.
>>69349883
And when marvelcucks explain with analysis about there films, you guys dismiss them
>>69344203
His wife didn't die during an alien invasion, did you even watch the fucking movie?
>>69349194
Dumb modern audiences never picked up on this genius shot. Zack is truly a visionary.
>>69349997
sorry that i triggered you with a joke marvelfag
>>69338649
Civil War.
I liked BvS better. Civil War wasnt bad.
>>69349950
I think Doomsday delivers by being extremely heavy, fast, and really violent, you get that only theem can stop it. But that also makes the fight a mess, you don't have time to breath before is over.
In the NY battle you feel like the military could had handle the chitauri. With doomsday you think "welp, that city is fucked". Sadly the weight of the action get lost on the mess of the fight itself
>>69348327
Why is he always right bros?
>>69350209
Always right ?
http://www.nyfcc.com/2013/05/bay-watch-armond-whites-transformers-2-review-for-cityarts/
So, There's no anything wrong to shitpost Transformers ROTF and it's symbolism from now on ?
>>69348327
"Adam Sandler's comedies are not "dumb fun"; maybe that's why they're not in critics' favor. Sandler's hilarious new film Jack and Jill (in which he portrays both male and female fraternal twins), brings to mind the great line that Ernst Lubitsch's classic 1946 female plumber comedy Cluny Brown "upset people who didn't like to admit they have plumbing."
-Armond White
>>69347592
shit choegraphy. dudes could have just ganged up on him or keep their distance and shoot for his face but nope. Same fucking thing in the dream sequence.
Nothing made sense in that movie
>>69349959
Analyze this:
Why does the Vision opt to take out a control tower to block the hangar entrance when he could just as easily disable the jet they're headed for?
How can a super-intelligent artificial being fail to avoid a friendly fire trajectory just by moving his head a few degrees?
How does a baseline human in a flying rig dodge an energy weapon that's already been fired?
Why does a brainwashed super-assassin kill his marks in plain view of a surveillance camera?
Why does he, or anyone else, think that choking a person to death would ever be mistaken for injuries sustained in a car crash?
How does Zemo know of Bucky's involvement in the Starks' death?
If Zemo knows of Bucky's involvement and Cap already has a dossier on Bucky by the end of TWS, why didn't he tell Tony beforehand and let him start working through it before it had a chance to blow up on him and make him look like a lying asshole?
How does Zemo know that Cap hasn't already made Tony aware of the circumstances of his parents' deaths?
How does Zemo know that not only will the accords be ratified, but the Avengers' host nation will agree to them?
How does Zemo know that all the Avengers won't just agree to and sign the accords?
How does Zemo know that Tony, Cap, and Bucky will be the ones to come after him?
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MARVELFAGS GOT BTFO?
i was at home and /tv/ called
MARVEL IS DED
n- YESS
>>69350209
>always right
>>69350340
>>69350449
Like 'diamond absolute' ? KEK
Only just watching Age of Ultron now, and it's like it started off halfway through the movie.
I skipped Thor: The Dark World because I heard it was bad and just finished the Winter Soldier last night. Should I actually bother to watch Thor or will I not miss anything?
>name almond white
>be a black person
Hello police, I think i've been tricked
![1462874047642[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g1CdvXk.jpg "1462874047642[1].jpg")
Hamill has worked for both Warner and Disney, he should know.
>>69350692
you will miss nothing
>>69350466
If you analyze it that way, then any superhero that isn't nearly invincible, or at least invulnerable to bullets, is nonsensical because of all the guys with guns they face. I despised BvS but the warehouse fight was one of the few sequences in that film I actually enjoyed.
Doomsday should have never been in the film. Completely wasted just to get a pointless death of Superman.
Any watchable rip yet for BvS?
Batman versus Superman
Civil War had the plot of a police procedural on tv.
![1420773309472[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Pkz4n0R.jpg "1420773309472[1].jpg")
>>69348393
>Nolan: S-Snyder...wait! Think about this! It's for the good of the company!
>Snyder: Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon. That's always been the difference between us, Chris.
>>69350736
And yet there he is; on Civil War premiere having a good time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3560416/Star-Wars-legend-Mark-Hamill-joined-wife-daughter-European-premiere-Captain-America-Civil-War.html
>>69348393
>Zack Snyder and WB fully knew they are going to alienate some moviegoers and critics by having a subtle narrative disguised as a superhero action movie
It's embarrassing that people actually believe this.
>>69350828
No, anyway, wait for the extended cut
ITT: Marvel gets eternally rekt
>>69350466
>dudes could have just ganged up on him
they tried and he did something smart: kept moving, used smoke, and disabble a good share of their guns
>>69350545
>Why does the Vision opt to take out a control tower to block the hangar entrance when he could just as easily disable the jet they're headed for?
I thought the same thing.
>How can a super-intelligent artificial being fail to avoid a friendly fire trajectory just by moving his head a few degrees?
He aimed right for Falcon. It was precise. Vision doesn't have control of where it goes
>How does a baseline human in a flying rig dodge an energy weapon that's already been fired?
What makes you think that it being a energy weapon that it follows its target? Him dodging it would be plausible.
>Why does a brainwashed super-assassin kill his marks in plain view of a surveillance camera?
You mean Bucky killing the Starks?
>Why does he, or anyone else, think that choking a person to death would ever be mistaken for injuries sustained in a car crash?
Not like they would check if they're choked. Stuff like that doesn't get checked
>How does Zemo know of Bucky's involvement in the Starks' death?
He doesn't know. He just knows the Starks were murdered by Hydra from the encrypted files. He has suspensions it is Bucky and since he is Hydra-based, he could just get the info from him.
>If Zemo knows of Bucky's involvement and Cap already has a dossier on Bucky by the end of TWS, why didn't he tell Tony beforehand and let him start working through it before it had a chance to blow up on him and make him look like a lying asshole?
Cap didn't have anything on Bucky. All he knew was his involvement in the Hydra program and that was it cause he vanished after he saved him.
>>69351019
>I-I-It's shit on purpose guys.
At this stage, it was just getting embarassing
>>69338683
Whoa whoa whoa, cunny's got nothing to do with this console war tier bullshit from the /v/ tourists.
Address your issue with cunnyfags (who have been a part of /tv/ longer than capeshit has) but don't conflagrate it with other problems.
>>69351019
Fully knew, after this;
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/report-batman-v-superman-response-could-lead-to-major-shifts-in-dc-films-plans
They fully aware it will be shit.
>>69338676
/thread
>>69348393
>>69350888
Because he's the hero /tv/ deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Capekinosseur .
>>69343743
This. It's pretty obvious at this point that Disney buys off the reviewers.
LOL The moving of the goal posts from DC Cucks now that Civil War wiped the floor with it in the Box Office.
>b-b-b-b-but the Box Office doesnt matter...
>>69344296
the last two comparisons don't even look vaguely similar and even if they did copying a scene from a critically acclaimed movie and splicing it into your own doesn't make your movie a masterpiece. Im not saying CW is a masterpiece but BvS definitely sucks dick.
>>69351019
t. alienated moviegoer
>BvS gets undeserved hate from critics
>Disney may be paying off guys
u guys r paranoid mayb it was da joos rite nerds? LMAO
>the new X-Men flick is already receiving undeserved hate from critics
PURE COINCIDENCE
Answering your question, BvS is better
>>69351417
lmao ur just mad cus ur gay
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/68992181/
>>69351165
>th-they totally knew what they were doing when they threw hundreds of millions of dollars into a shitty film they knew would alienate viewers and get bad reviews!
>WB totally wasn't expecting a billion dollar return so execs can please their shareholders; there in it for THE ART OF THE CRAFT!
>>69351162
>How does Zemo know that Cap hasn't already made Tony aware of the circumstances of his parents' deaths?
He doesn't know. And since Cap doesn't wanna anger him more (which is something he even said he wishes he never did) but even if he did and did it during CW, the outcome would be the same. If he did it during TWS then it wouldn't have been as drastic
>How does Zemo know that not only will the accords be ratified, but the Avengers' host nation will agree to them?
Zemo had nothing to do with the accords. That is just the UN's doing. He used the accords to get Bucky blamed and intensify this restrict superheros conflict to his advantage
How does Zemo know that all the Avengers won't just agree to and sign the accords?
He doesn't which is why he used the bombing as a way to get Bucky fucked over, and to use Cap's feeling for him to make a divide towards them
How does Zemo know that Tony, Cap, and Bucky will be the ones to come after him?
Cap and Bucky were going to get him when they were at the airport. That is what that scene was for. Zemo called in the hotel lady to go bring him breakfast, which is where the dead body is, once it was found, it was gonna break in the news, Tony would then fine out, feel like shit for blaming Bucky, and go help them find the guy
>>69345331
you are finding art in a shitty superhero film for 11 year olds
>>69351456
t. Zack Snyder
Don't worry man. Your wife will get you more franchises to ruin after JUSTice League.
>>69348393
Did Jared Leto as the Joker make this movie? ...Because this is TOATALLY BONKERS HEE HEE HA HA HOO HOO HOOOO HA HAAAA
>>69344123
wheres the brightness setting on this thing??
