Was it their plan to portray Superman as an unlikeable asshole? Brooding and distant and mean and threatening.
What's wrong with showing him as a nice, kindhearted, sweet guy who wants to do good?
it would go against the jesus/god symbolism.
Being nice isn't badass and they wanted to make Superman's image more hip and cool. Being angry and punching things in anger is badass.
>>69292093
>it would go against the jesus/god symbolism.
But more often that not Jesus was a nice guy
>>69292039
>What's wrong with showing him as a nice, kindhearted, sweet guy who wants to do good?
Because in the 70's special effects were shit so you had to rely on acting and character. Now that special effect technology is great fuck that we will have superman kill and destroy.
>>69292039
>that scene in MoS 1 when he catches a soldier from the helicopter and asks if he's ok right before pushing him out of danger as Non attacks
Good scene. Also what's with Superman not giving a fuck about fire in this movie?
>gas station on fire after he punts the Batmobile into it
>just flies off and leaves it
>fire in Mexico
>stands there soaking in the crowd while the building burns down
>congress blown up
>just stands there looking guilty
Christ.
>>69292039
Because Marvel already stole the upbeat, bright and colorful superhero genre.
Meanwhile, the DC cinematic universe revolved entirlerly around Batman, meaning every movie has to use that tone, even if it's not compatible.
>>69292225
they should do bible stories with superman
>>69292039
He wasn't portrayed that way at all.
He wasn't brooding, distant, mean, nor threatening.
He was trying every way he could to relate to the gravity of what he perceived as petty issues. Here you have a guy with seemingly limitless power and a populace that is shattered and demoralized but still looking for some excuse to unify. They end up using him and he ends up accepting, but in BvS that theme is explored more maturely than in any of the previous Superman flicks. He does nice guy shit, too, but calling him brooding, distant, mean and threatening is sophomoric.
>>69292369
>not threatening
>"the bat is dead. consider this mercy."
>>69292327
There's a scene when he fights Zod where Zod kicks a tanker at him, he arrogantly flies over it and it crashes into the building behind him completely destroying it. Like he could have easily stopped it but choose to show off and everyone there died.
>>69292225
>Jesus was a nice guy
No he wasn't, he killed a tree for not bearing fruit in the winter.
>>69292437
>threatening a murdering vigilante
Gee I wonder how else he's gonna stop him? That was a white knight move. White knights ain't threatening.
>>69292039
cause according to basement dweller machildren dark tone makes everything "good"
Superman had two god awful sequels in the mid 80s, so some dumbass at Warner decided Superman wasn't cool anymore and they stopped making movies about him. Superman Returns was a return to idealistic friendly Superman, but that movie was boring as shit and flopped, so WB assumed the problem was that Superman wasn't popular anymore, not that the movie was bad.
So they turn to Hack Snyder, who hates Superman, and makes a Superman movie about how awful it is to be Superman, and people reject it. WB still doesn't understand and will just say that Superman doesn't sell because it's easier to blame the audience than accept responsibility for making shit movies.
Meanwhile, Marvel makes their cinematic Captain America emblematic of everything Superman is supposed to be (idealistic morally pure hero meant to inspire us to be better) and he's loved by all and his movies make bank even in an era of anti-american sentiment.
>>69292527
Why didn't he just bring him in right then and there? He literally just killed like a dozen people. Fucking dead. And Superman crashes his car and threatens him. Because he's a vigilante. And what's Superman? A goverment official?
What a pile of shit.
>>69292516
Trees are assholes though
>>69292554
This.
Inevitable Snyder's quote on Batman rape.
>>69292527
kicking his car off the road was pretty threatening.
>>69292602
>>69292516
Jesus vs Treebeard when?
>>69292602
>provide you with free oxygen
>provide you with free fruit
>provide you with everything else the Giving Tree did
Fuck you man.
>>69292654
Can Jesus cast lightning bolts or fireballs? I mean I know he was a carpenter, but that's just someone who works on dead wood.
Remember in MoS when Clark destroyed a guy's livelihood by turning that guy's truck into a shish kebab using tree trunks because he felt bullied?
>>69292576
>Captain America emblematic of everything Superman is supposed to be
The Captain literally kills people over and over again without any sign of regrets.
Weak bait kiddo
>>69292697
Yeah but it's okay because it was symbolic and shit.
>>69292039
Zach Snyder loves anything dark, twisted, brooding and gothic. Superman isn't that, batman is exactly that. So we get a great batman in BvS and a continuation of the dark brooding self-doubting Superman.
You can tell his philosophy on superheroes just by how he treats those 2 characters. He seems to legit hate superman, despite the Jesus stuff, and love Batman.
>>69292697
He should have brutaly raped that guy. That's real punishment.
I blame the people who have called Superman boring for the last couple of decades. People always used to shit on him until Snyder changed him, now they all want old Superman back
>>69292786
Who calls Superman boring? The people who don't read the comics?
>>69292554
But those basement dweller manchildren are here complaining about it..
>>69292039
it's been the trend since Nolan rebooted batman back in 2005 to make superhero movies dark and gritty. also when they made the Donner movie the dark and gritty superman that we are adapting now wasn't a thing yet so they adapted the fun, heroic superman from the silver age. it was probably a better time.
>>69292786
>I blame the people who have called Superman boring for the last couple of decades.
>HE'S INVINCIBLE NOTHING CHALLENGES HIM I'VE NEVER READ A FUCKING COMIC IN MY ENTIRE LIFE WHY WOULD I COMICS ARE FOR BABIES BUT I'M STILL AN EXPERT ON WHY SUPERMAN SUCKS BECAUSE HE JUST DOES
>>69292727
>The Captain literally kills people over and over again without any sign of regrets.
Yeah he kills Nazis and bad guys because he's a soldier
If anything, you're the kiddo if your version of morality is so simplistic that just because Captain America sometimes kills bad guys that means he's somehow not a good guy
>>69292859
>reading comics
>>69292827
But The Punisher was dark and gritty before Nolan did Batman, right?
>>69292907
>not reading
Oh America.
>>69292886
>bad guys
I'm sure they had their own motivations that, to them, justified their actions.
>>69292485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZIEkFk_NQ
>>69292886
Haha! Why are you so angry, kiddo? Wipe away those bitter, piss smelling tears, you defensive little queer.
>>69292827
Superman Returns had a stalkish, brooding, deadbeat dad, emo Superman and he still felt like the fun, heroic version anyway.
A few lines of dialogues, a few facial expressions, and MoS would have felt like old school Superman too.
>>69292039
Kinda sad, just listen to this while watching the pic, that's Superman for me.
https://youtu.be/F7R3oESCgQw
And that's how the first half of Man of Steel was, just wish it continued like that instead of turning into another Avengers/Transformers destruction porn movie.
>>69292927
Burton did the dark and gritty Batman before Nolan. Batman 89 is very much grimdark Batman meets wacky Joker.
>>69293044
>he still felt like the fun, heroic version anyway
I wouldn't say that.
>>69293114
Yeah but the cartoony feel of Burton's Batman takes away a lot of the dark gridy feel that Nolan had.
>>69293114
>grimdark Batman
But he smiled and was all around fun to watch.
>>69292039
Superman from golden/silver/ Bronze Age was a moody asshole who spent his time tricking his "friends" into leaving him alone
Jesus superman is from the 1978 movie
>inb4 MoS and BvS is Jesus superman
The film takes time setting it up just to show he's a regular human and not god
>>69293186
What? When did he smile?
I think you're confusing Batman Forever/Batman&Robin with the 2 Burton movies.
>>69293281
>What? When did he smile?
Literally his first appearance.
>I want you to tell your friends about me
>I'm Batman
>>69293228
But he is more or less a God for humans.
>>69293319
You're autistic. Not being able to tell facial expressions is a clear sign of autism.
>>69292697
He crucified the truck to remind us of His sacrifice, 2deep4u based Snyder capekino
>>69293359
It's been a long time since I saw it but I have a clear recollection of him smiling. Are you sure you're not just getting your panties in a knot over nothing?
>>69293228
Supes was never Jebus. He's more like Herc, a half-god. God because he's Kryptonian, man because of his upbringing.
>>69293359
>>69293383
No, wait. I was wrong.
>>69293383
I'm sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz0egrNk83U
>>69293400
Krypton made me super, Earth made me man. I think he said that somewhere.
>>69292039
It makes perfect sense because he will eventually become a villain.
The future scene Flash showed to Batman wasn't alternate reality and the woman Superman lost wasn't his mother, but Lois.
>>69292588
>bring him in
To who? To jail? To destroy Bruce Wayne's empire? You're an idiot.
>>69292648
Did he kick it? I'm pretty sure he just stood there and it bounced off.
>>69293376
>destroys a guy's truck for throwing liquid at him
H-he is a hero
Thank you Snyder
>>69293467
It bounced off his dick, so it was a dick move.
>>69293439
But Earth literally makes him Super
>>69293467
Superman just witnessed Batman literally killing some people. What's idiotic about thinking that Superman should just grab him and fly him to the next police station?
>>69292039
>have dealt with assholes irl
>if they displayed any of the courtesy superman displayed in bvs i'd be fine with it
>>69292039
>Compares action scenes, a nightmare scene, and a scene where he just saw a room full of people go up in flames, to scenes of superman standing around doing nothing and smiling
Yeah, great comparison you fucking mong.
>>69292039
Zack Snyder is a dumbass with delusions. If you want to know exactly what I mean, go watch any interview with him where he talks about his "craft", or about superheroes, then watch the actual films he creates.
He went off on how boring and stupid classic heroes like Superman and Batman are in his Watchmen interviews(a movie which he copied almost directly 1v1 straight from the graphic novel and still manage to misinterpret. Every change was made for the worse.) Moore wrote a tense Cold War Era nuclear paranoia analog that made most of us question the nature of our superhero worship the very nature of power, yet all ole Zack attack picked up on was "mature" superheroes stuff with murder and rape.
Zack Snyder took Superman, the most archetypal superhero and made him a brooding asshat. What's worse, is that he did it in the most contrived ways possible. The tornado death of his adoptive father is the perfect analogy for Snyder's shit: needless noisy, packed with horrible CGI, ignores all laws of reality(even just near a tornado there are extreme wind gusts powerful enough to move cars and certainly powerful enough to knock a fat Kevin Costner off of one foot, massive hail, and, depending on where its been, razor sharp debris. Victims don't just vanish in a melodramatic cloud of "wind". They're violently ripped away.) and somehow completely misses the point of the original.
Superman can move fucking mountains. He can fly. He is omnipotence personified, yet even he is powerless to stop something as simple as a heart attack. For everything he can do, he can't save his father. Why is Superman a boy scout? Because he's playing a role he's not comfortable with. His father's death left him with enough guilt that he spends the rest of his life trying to make up for that failure. Imagine that fall. Imagine KNOWING that you can do EVERYTHING, and then learning in the most painful way that you can't. THAT'S the power of the heart attack scene. It's so fucking human.
>>69293527
>Bruce Wayne
>face of the Wayne Empire
>Hero of Gotham
>Also, Batman, a symbol of men trying to do good
>killing hired thugs working for Lexcorp, a corrupt organization
>>69292225
>But more often that not Jesus was a nice guy
I want to avoid sounding like an edgy 13 year old atheist but read the NT before saying this, please.
>>69293467
Around 0:05-0:06, he brings his foot up to send it into a spin.
https://youtu.be/aUN0F5wKbGE?t=5s
>>69293620
Them be wise words.
>>69293228
>Superman from golden/silver/ Bronze Age was a moody asshole who spent his time tricking his "friends" into leaving him alone
Uh, no?
Thugs shoot at Batman with a minigun.
Batman fucks them up.
I have no problems with that.
>>69293527
>Superman just witnessed Batman literally killing some people.
Did he though? I mean I guess Superman has a problem with Batman but what about these guys using military grade weapons on civilian streets, this doesn't bother superman at all?
>>69293645
>only an edgy, 13 year old atheist would tell someone to read the Bible
Huh.
>>69293511
> but a yellow sun literally makes him super
stop typing
>>69293642
>oh he's a popular tycoon that means he's above the law and can kill people at will
>hero of gotham and symbol of men trying to do good
Yeah because that's how Supes saw him. Not as a dangerous, violent vigilante but as a hero.
>he killed people that were established to the audience as bad guys therefor Superman should be opkay with Batman killing them
You are a retarded child and for all we know Superman didn't even know who those people were. Even if they were child murderers Superman would never be okay with people just killing them instead of them being in front of a judge. Fuck off mate you don't know what you're talking about.
>>69293620
I never understood the tornado scene. In the original his father dies of a heart attack or something, and it shows that Superman cant save everyone.
But he can literally save his father from that tornado without being noticed. His father doesn't even need to go get the dog, Clark could've just gotten into the car, been flung out of there and claim that he miraculously survived after the car landed.
>>69293620
this
>>69293736
But you don't understand. Papa Kent was plagued by the horses every night. He had to silence the horses.
>>69293692
Did you confuse the word "Superman" and "Batman" and if so should you ask your teacher for remedial reading
>>69293699
>military grade weapon
Piers Morgan is that you?
>>69293770
Nice. But anyway, all Clark needs to do to see his dad again is build it and he will come.
>>69293736
> All-Star Superman is canon
It's a great read anon but it's not "the original."
>>69293728
>Even if they were child murderers Superman would never be okay with people just killing them instead of them being in front of a judge
Tell that to Zods snapped neck.
>>69293723
But that's not what I said. He is literally super because he's on Earth, if he was on Krypton he'd just be a common kryptonian. Earth didn't make Jor-El "human", so saying that Earth made Clark human is just weird
>>69293736
Superman is from Kansas. Tornadoes are from Kansas. Heart attacks are lame. Tornadoes are awesome(just see that kickass movie Twister for proof). Look, we can go all day, but that Call of Duty isn't going to play itself, now shoot the scene.
>>69293838
This argument is dead. Bury it.
>>69292554
Then why do they like guardians of the Galaxy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maX-ObiJB3o
>>69293831
That's how his father dies in the smallville series and in the Superman 1978 movie, isnt is? Or at least something similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h55YePGLYHQ
>>69293876
But that's normies, anon. Normies like it. That's why it made so much money.
>>69292927
oh yeah I forgot that the punisher represented all comic book movies made before batman begins.
>>69293792
I was just trying to sound fancy, pls no bully
>>69293831
He means the original film.
>>69293865
True, true, tornados are cool, mr Snyder
>>69293682
Yea pretty much. He wasn't a dark character but he sure wasn't a happy go lucky guy.
Source; golden/ silver/ Bronze Age comics
>>69293926
How did you get that salty?
>Superman gains his powers from our yellow sun
>yellow gives him powers
>he needs the world to be yellow to give him his godlike powers
>maybe some kind of filter that turns his world yellow would also to it...
>>69293044
superman returns retained that vibe because they were trying so hard to emulate the Donner films, and that movie went into production before batman begins came out.
>>69293931
Its ok, Anon, I do the same some times.
>>69293922
Normies don't post "dance off bro" a thousand times on Vietnamese sock puppet message boards
>>69293070
MOS was fucked the moment Russel Crowe started up with his boring line delivery. He apparently didn't have the charisma Brando had and isn't unique like him either.
>>69293970
Returns also had a great Lex tho, Kevin Spacey fit the role well.
>>69294073
>WROOOOOONG!
>>69293736
the heart attack isn't the OG death
anyway, the point of the scene is that jonathan wants clark to remain hidden, that's all. sure he could save jonathan but what would be the consequences of that given that there are maybe a hundred people there to witness it?
I really think if you don't like MoS you are probably retarded.
>>69294101
I just don't enjoy watching Superman fight CGI space tentacle machines.
>>69293770
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.
>>69293154
>plane scene
>car scene
>earthquake in the city scene
>bullet in the eye scene
>continent lifting scene
>you have something that belongs to me
>i see an old man's sick joke
>you wrote that the world doesn't need a savior, but every day i hear people crying for one
>i'm sorry i left you lois
sounds pretty heroic to me.
>>69294057
>He apparently didn't have the charisma Brando had and isn't unique like him either.
At least Russell actually learned his lines and didn't have to read off cue cards.
>>69294091
>get into car
>get flung somewhere
>pretend you survived miraculously
Stories like these occur every so often, about people magically surviving a falling building, falling out of planes or off buildings, etc.
>>69293728
Your complaints are with the movie as a whole. They are not with the scene nor Superman's image. The movie didn't establish how Supes gets to know any of the shit he knows or WHEN he gets to know them therefore there is going to be a gap in understanding.
Still
>not inferring Supes' near omniscience extends to issues beyond Bruce Wayne's identity
You pretty much have to accept that he knew some information about the chase. If he flies around the world to save a hispanic girl he's not going to just let murder 50 feet away from him go. It is implied.
>>69294091
He could have got the dog himself.
If we imagine that the exact same situation happened with Clark in the car getting his leg stuck, then he could have easily pulled his leg out and run back over to evereyone.
No one would know his leg was stuck, or that he ripped part of the truck away to get his leg out.
>>69294151
This is Harleen. Do you see?
This is Harley, changed. Do you see?
>>69294133
Stop watching hentai porn parodies.
>>69293620
all of this
>>69294101
the problem here isn't that people don't like mos, it's that people have a weird set of rules that are "definitive" all while being based on aspects of certain interpretations in certain media
that people also call mos in particular "dark" or "grim" is strange as well
>>69294232
Never!
>>69294086
>>69294232
Are you telling me the movie was so shit you haven't rewatched it and completely forgot that there was a scene like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVUOGUmxJI
>>69294256
It's really confusing, it's like people don't know why they disliked the movie so just invent some for the sake of it.
>>69294287
Dammit, the link meant for>>69294260
>>69294101
bad bait
>>69294186
well i haven't heard of any stories like that, and that's such a cop out anyway, not to say that the movie is a paragon of ideas either
>>69294171
irrelevant. none of that affects his performance and Brando was famous for reading lines that way, even in the godfather. it didn't hinder his performance. weak argument.
>>69294380
>well i haven't heard of any stories like that
why are you lying?
>>69292039
The cherrypicking for that image is so ridiculous. Whered you get it from
>>69292485
Had nothing to do with Arrogance or bloody showing off, he was so focused on watching Zod he did not take notice of what the tanker contained, it could have been milk for all he knew.
Him looking back up in horror as it exploded proves he did not see it coming in anyway.
And Zod sneak blitz attacking him right when his back was turned proved he was right about keeping focused on him.
He could have speed attacked civilians (as he already promised to do) while Clark stopped the tanker.
>>69292588
>Fucking dead. And Superman crashes his car and threatens him. Because he's a vigilante. And what's Superman? A government official?
Because Clark is about saving and rescuing people, Batman is torturing people without trial or dew process and branding some leading to their deaths in prison.
>>69294213
jonathan told clark to worry about martha, clark did as he was told. the moment i saw it i wasn't triggered by it at all, i only thought "guy wasn't kidding" in relation to what he said before
i'm actually becoming suspicious of all of these attempts to not have jonathan die within that scenario. if you don't like the scene the only thing you can do is do away with it completely, no sense in all these little "solutions"
>>69294380
Well just because you havent heard any doesnt mean it doesnt exist. They are common, and people usually thank God or some other high power. Like the guy who survived when one of the twin towers fell and he was in the garage.
The 80s were a very different time. The social climate was much more optimistic.
That's too crazy of a concept, OP. It's not like Superman's lightheartedness is supposed to contrast Batman's broodiness, instead of compliment it.
>>69292039
Saving 7 billion lives twice equals being a unlikeable asshole... great!
>What's wrong with showing him as a nice, kindhearted, sweet guy who wants to do good?
The entire point of a alternate universe is to do alternative things.
>>69294488
>Tanker with milk
Is this a thing in America?
>>69294508
>The social climate was much more optimistic
yep loved them nukes
Superman was realistic, don't really see why that's a bad thing, not all comics portray the same character the same.
>>69294535
Considering that it was Supes fault that those 7 gorillion was in danger, can we really say he saved them?
>>69294574
Yes
Superman broods in Earth One, For Tomorrow, Kingdom Come, some of the new 52, some of tas, its not mother fucking out of character to write him as such when the world around him is contextually not a bright happy fairy tale land.
>>69294535
weak argument or bad bait? 4chan weighs in on the debate.
>>69293620
Not Muh Superman: The Post
Yeah lets just tell the same story over and over
>>69294555
Because most people dont want political conflicts with superheros, I already have the news for that. It's fantasy meant to take you to a fantasy reality.
Cant say if it worked out for Civil War, havent watched that film yet, but I'm guessing it worked because Marvel movies doesnt take itself so seriously, its not trying to be art, just comics on the big screen.
>>69294535
>The entire point of a alternate universe is to do alternative things
Can't wait for Batman to get raped.
>>69294661
what's your argument exactly?
>>69294441
why are you being sanctimonious?
i've never heard of such events and am not surprised by that. i'm looking through some articles now and even then here's no equivalence between what i'm reading and having a guy thrown around in a car in a tornado and coming out of it without a scratch
I figured it out guys. I know why Batman kills.
Batfleck isn't the real Bruce Wayne. It's just Azrael pretending to be him.
>>69294537
>>Tanker with milk
>Is this a thing in America?
>>69294574
Yes, saying otherwise is like saying someone seeing me buying a new car and following me home and murdering all my neighbors is my fault.
He had no way of fucking knowing that activating a 20,000-ish year old space ship would bring said race to earth.
>>69294646
>weak argument or bad bait?
How the fuck does it qualify as ether thing?
>>69294661
>Because most people dont want political conflicts with superheros, I already have the news for that. It's fantasy meant to take you to a fantasy reality.
Dunno about you but the realistic fantasy is much more immersive than the light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek fantasy.
>>69294661
None of that makes it a bad film, it makes it not for you.
>>69294659
yeah. when the story is good, you want to tell it again, and when it's bad, you want them to stop.
>>69294721
Yeah yeah and Bill Wilson is secretly slade Wilson and Deathstroke and BLAH BLAH SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>69292039
Because Snyder thinks is cooler that way, period.
That's basically his reasoning for every creative decision he's involved.
>>69292039
>cherrypicking
>>69294844
Oh sorry, did I spoil it for you?
>Bill Wilson is secretly slade Wilson
So he was working for Talia all along and planned for Bane to get Dr. Pavel?
>another MOS thread where everyone is just complaining about nothing
>>69294882
he doesn't look like an asshole in that picture, he just looks overcome with grief and anger. Cavill couldn't be bothered to show that much emotion after the capital building was destroyed in a terrorist attack and he was standing right in it surrounded by fucking fire and burning bodies.
>>69292697
That was a little over the top. The scene would have been better if the truck was completely undamaged, but clark had flipped it upside down so he couldn't move it.
>>69294942
It's not gonna end. The 27% killed any chances of an actual discussion on this board.
>>69294721
That explains the armor. It looked very Azbats to me.
>>69295108
And I'd bet 10 buckaroos that Snyder prefers Azbat unironically.
>>69292727
People weren't pissed that superman killed Zod you blithering moron
The problem was what adistant asshole he was, how he doesn't care about human life around him, how he just looks at huge disasters were dozens of people could be dead and he doesn't even flinch, were saving human lives is more a chore than the reason he's superman, how Pa' kent told him to let all the children die.
Captain America kills bad guys because he's a friggin soldier, but he is concerned about his friends dying, he tries to save people arround him when mayhem is happening.
Nobody would have given a shit if superman only for just a fucking second looked back at the destruction and showed some pain
>>69294535
Do you think people going to the theater gives a shit about any alternate superhero universe?
Why cant you idiots understand basic things? How is this not the most sympathetic Clark Kent ever? This man has been through the crucible of hardship, and still at the end of the day he CHOOSES to be Superman. His mom did not knit him his costume on the kitchen table, he didn't lift tractor freeweights with his beaming dad beside him, he went out and made his own destiny even apart from what his real father told him to do.
>Superman...was just a dream of a farmer from Kansas
There's no mention of Jor-El's words to him about saving the world. In a world without superheroes, how could you possibly come up with the idea to become the first? Ever since finding out his abilities, he always held that dream to be a hero and save people. His adoptive father wanted to protect him so much, he'd rather die than let that dream consume Clark. Oh he's not smiling while saving that cat out the tree, who the fuck cares! He's still out there happily serving the planet having made the decision to use his gifts in that way.
>>69292697
he WAS bullied, and that dude deserved it, but that's not superman to me.
>>69295176
Except he does when an entire courtroom explodes around him so you don't know what you're talking about
>>69295241
he's not smiling 24/7 and is actually tone-appropriate so he's evil of course.
>>69295108
>That explains the armor.
The armor is Bruce's from The Dark Knight Returns (1986)
>>69295251
I don't think that guy did anything that would justify the amount of damage done to the truck and if you think that was justified I hope you never ever end up in a position where you can live out your disproportional revenge fantasies.
>>69292697
Power fantasy for manchilds
>>69295251
You'll be glad to know he wasn't superman then.
>>69295159
I like Azrael, but the whole killing psycho thing is not suposed to be a good thing. The point is that JP isn't himslef when he does that shit.
I'm guessing that Snyder wouldn't see things that way though.
>>69295176
>how he doesn't care about human life around him
There is ZERO fucking evidence to support this.
>how Pa' kent told him to let all the children die
To save thousands that could be killed if society throws a shit fit after discovering Clark's existence. PAY ATTENTION MOTHER FUCKER!
>>69295236
Yes they should expect something new and semi different.
>>69295176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZIEkFk_NQ
>>69295323
Yeah, Snyder would (and does) think that murderbats is the correct, mature, adult way of doing Batman.
>>69295176
for fuck's sake man jonathan didn't tell him
"clark, you absolutely should have let those children die because fuck them"
he said
"Maybe; but there's more at stake here than our lives or the lives of those around us. When the world... When the world finds out what you can do, it's gonna change everything; our... our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human... everything. You saw how Pete's mom reacted, right? She was scared, Clark."
he is in no way telling clark to not do anything, the maybe is simply him expressing how hard that question is for him, even his reasoning is in no way self serving.
funnily enough, the quote that people accuse of selfishness happens to be same moment jonathan expresses concern for the whole world
>>69295283
I know, I was just responding in a tongue-in-cheek manner.
>>69294380
>well i haven't heard of any stories like that
Really? Tornados have a 100% fatality rate? Nobody has ever survived a tornado before?
BEHOLD, I PRESENT YOU A MIRACLE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEN7MTy4fkA
>>69295387
>literally missing the point of snyder's batman
holy shit you are actually retarded.
>>69295241
>this fucking argument again. good father instills wholesome values and morals into his son = bad.
both of his fathers believed he was put on earth for a reason, so he always believed that. He was destined to choose to be a hero. jor-el told him to be one in Donner's movie, but that doesn't automatically mean he's being a hero because his dad told him to. it doesn't matter that he was a hero by nature in MOS because that movie sucked. if it was good you might have a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8EydFeuPK8
I was branding people before it was cool, and they didn't get killed because of it.
>>69295476
Notice how I was talking about a comic book character and what Snyder would think of him rather than the movie character.
Reading comprehension must be impaired by Zack's cock. Stop sucking for a minute.
>>69295286
nah, he deserved it. just imagine how many people that guy walked on throughout his life.
>>69295312
wow. what a revelation. i would never have figured that out on my own.
>>69295521
Nobody knows who you even are, Walker.
>>69295476
It was the same point as Ben Affleck's Daredevil: vigilante murdere rlearns to be a true hero and not kill (as much) anymore
>>69295449
i don't see the miracle here, where did that person come from? how intense is this tornado?
this is meaningless, although it would be funny if snyder got spammed with videos like these
>>69295541
>nah, he deserved it
I bet you used to fap to the idea of killing all the guys who called you a faggot in middle school.
>>69295566
You do, Dubsy. You do.
>>69295286
>if i had the ability to explode the heads of everyone who's ever intimidated someone that didn't want any trouble.
>>69295530
>he actually thought this was an intelligent reply
I can't believe the audience failed to grasp on hints like this
Snyder is just way ahead of his time
>>69295288
who would have thought you could get triggered by a statement like that?
>>69295589
not even that guy but i bet that hasn't even crossed his mind
>>69295601
I read Phantom newspaper strips. He punches women and tells them to shut up, it's glorious.
>>69295541
Well, now you know.
>>69294043
No bitter DCucks do.
>>69295614
>completely misunderstand what someone else is talking about
>get corrected
>oh shit, better act all snide
Wow.
>>69295669
know what?
>>69295687
>thinking i actually misunderstood
>>69295725
>I was only pretending to be retarded
I don't believe you. Nobody would just go on the internet and pretend to be a dumbass.
>>69295749
>actually acting superior
holy shit you are rich.
>>69295589
>>69295286
>>69295288
you have to be 18 to post here
>>69295873
But wouldn't the guy with the juvenile revenge fantasies be the one you should reply to?
>>69295951
>implying criminals shouldn't be punished
>>69294645
What a stupid argument. His brooding was insubstantial in Snyder's film. He doesn't even act like a real person dealing with hard issues. Just a character that's steeped in artificial hardship.
>>69296020
>not understanding criminals are people too and if you just baked some brownies together you'd get along famously
>>69295951
not the guy you're replying to but the guy who said he deserved it doesn't mean it in a sadistic way. that character was clearly presented in an unsympathetic way and that truck more than likely isn't his livelihood, the next day he probably hitched a ride back wherever he was from
if there's an "issue" here, it can only be in how that sequence is a gag, which i get that people wouldn't want.
>>69296103
>doesn't mean it in a sadistic way
How do you know that though?
>>69296083
>everything about that reply
>>69296173
>not baking brownies with serial rapists
Do you even live in Sweden?
>>69295588
>i don't see the miracle here
Exactly. It is entirely possible to survive a tornado while inside a car. Hell, that girl survived the tornado and she was just crouching with no cover.
>>69296225
I live in america, where you're more likely to be punished on the spot if you mug someone.
>>69296330
Only in America.
>>69296393
>you should be free to steal someone else's property without consequence.
wherever the fuck you live.
>>69296393
>>69296462
What are you even talking about anymore?
>people actually want superman to be an edgy anime character smiling and laughing and quipping as everyone is getting killed
:^)
>>69292039
Cavill's Superman is perfect for what Snyder is after. He's attractive, but there's a menace to him that makes Bruce's distrust believable.
>>69296509
what do you expect? the thread started with snyder's superman.
>>69296542
>an edgy anime character smiling and laughing and quipping as everyone is getting killed
Eh?
>>69293645
>Jesus was a bad guy because he shooed away people who had turned a Temple into a bank
>>69296587
never seen animes? they love that shit.
>>69296619
What did the fig tree do, anon? What did the fig tree do?
>>69295873
The irony is off the charts in this one.
>>69292039
they're going with the injustice storyline.
oddly enough, superman is most likable as a villain.
>>69296745
The Devil's work.
>>69296767
so criminals should get away with it.
>>69296807
>oddly enough, superman is most likable as a villain.
Said every edgy 13 years old ever + Snyder
/v/ is the disgrace of the DCEU
>>69296989
Are you ok?
I guess it says something about how things are in America today when Superman is some brooding edgelord who fights against another superhero. And meanwhile at Marvel the heroes are fighting each other too. And Snyder is talking about how awesome it would be if Batman got raped because it's so realistic and gritty.
Yeah, things are not going well.
>>69296745
the fig tree is symbolismsrs, there's a case for thinking of the gospels as works of literature. with all the references to aspects of jewish culture and the current culture it isn't hard to imagine a lot of shit happening to be extended metaphor, which also makes more sense of what is going on. literally capeshit of those times
>>69297356
Honestly things are going fine with Marvel.
>>69297356
>some guy talks about how something is not that dark
>gives example of something that would actually be dark
>this becomes "dude i'd totally rape batman because it would be awesome"
>anyone who calls this out is "defending" snyder
>>69297356
>brooding edgelord
its so funny how you seriously think this
>>69294659
Its called a characteristic. If you want a superhero who is conflicted, burdened, brooding, distant when helping people, dont choose Superman. Every characters have their own characteristic. Hancock and Dr. Manhattan are the right choice.
Bet you wont see any problem if they portray Darkseid as a sassy nigger saying "Ayyo Hol-up" because, hey, its not muh character right?
>>69292039
I always viewed Superman as the embodiment of what American's view America. The original is optimistic and powerful, however after 9/11 America has changed.
I think the intention was to portray Superman as a newbie and still finding his footing. Remember that by the time BvS rolls around he's been doing his thing for barely 2 years.
>>69292039
>muh superman can't have any anger at all
shitty bait
>>69292328
bingo
>>69297426
>>69296745
'Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.'
- Matt 13:34
>>69292516
wtf? I hate Jesus now
