>There's no reason there should be a division on the issue.
>Iron Man's side just makes so much more sense in every conceivable way.
Well, he's right.
Your liberal is showing you fat ass.
>>69291789
>there's no division because my side is right
Jesus christ.
>>69291789
I closed the video off at this point.
The entire film sets itself out to make Iron Man be a complete prick and villain, whose arguments are purely coming from an emotional standpoint of his past experiences.
>muh dead black son
>why didnt you save every single person in sakovia instead of trying to prevent a meteorite sized mass of land crashing into the earth killing billions more
>MUH CASUALTIES OF WAR
Rich, you fat dumb fuck.
>>69291789
>RLM likes a new Marvel movie
>/tv/ shits on them for it
>RLM dislikes a new Marvel movie
>/tv/ shits in them for it
Why should anyone take you contrarian babies seriously?
>>69291789
fuck you Rich Evans, you're so wrong. Uh Oh, 16 people died because of our super actions. We should get the UN to approve every time we take a shit, so that the bad guys have all the time in the world to fuck shit
>>69292169
>whose arguments are purely coming from an emotional standpoint of his past experiences.
Cap was treated the exact same way. He was being influenced by the shit that happened to him in Winter Soldier. He was also more concerned with protecting Bucky than he was with doing what's best for the team.
That's the main reason why there was such a division.
If it were really just about the issue and not emotional standpoints of past experiences, then they could have just easily talked it out and came to a compromise.
>lets have super powered beings, easily capable of genociding us on a bad day, go around completely unchecked doing whatever they want.
It's literally no different than batman keeping tabs on superman all the time.
>>69292169
The reason Tony supports the Accords is because if the smartest person in the world, which is Tony according to himself, is not infallible then no one in the world is.
And super powered people making mistakes can lead to devastating results, which is why they should be regulated and supervised.
>>69292359
So who is going to regulate the bad guys? What incentive would they even have to be regulated?
Iron Mans side makes NO sense.
What if the UN had been incharge during the alien invasion of Avengers? How many more people would have died while The Avengers sat around waiting for the UN to pass the paper work so they can go stop it
This movie sounds terrible. Glad I gave up capeshit after Avengers 1.
>>69292395
>What are emergency procedures
Ultimately what's the difference between the UN and SHIELD?
>No, Goku! Stop, you can't fight Cell! We at the UN have sanctioned the great Mr. Satan to do it, instead!
>>69291937
Take a good look. These are the same people that complain about police overstepping boundaries.
>>69291789
Ending was memekino
>the last governing agency that the Avengers operated under was SHIELD and ended up imploding on itself due to corruption and Hydra infiltration, almost killing millions of innocents in the process
>"Hey Cap we need to join the UN RIGHT NOW there's no way THESE guys are corrupt"
Yeah how about fuck off
>>69292228
It's almost like they're shit.
They did a great job of making the Accords a difficult decision to make, and that's why this movie is such a huge fucking pain in the ass to discuss.
It's just like fucking bipartisan politics in the U.S. right now. 40% of americans believe one side is so obviously right that there should be no argument. 40% of americans believe the opposing side is so obviously right that there should be no argument. 20% of americans believe that the solution isn't nearly as obvious as the other 80% think it is.
In a debate like this, the only people who are just undeniably wrong are the people who think that either side is so obviously right that there's no reason for a division.
Why haven't The Avengers done anything about ISIS or North Korea?
>>69292359
all the destruction and mistakes are just as likely to happen because the un will,still deploy heroes to fight villains, only more slowly which means more destruction takes place before the hero can stop it
>>69292597
Because Nick Fury formed ISIS
It says a lot about the deepness of Civil War that people can argue endlessly about the moral code of the movie but Batman vs Superman is so shallow that it alisits no discussion like that. Which is kino again??
>>69292597
Given the current state of comic book writing, Captain America would probably just end up making a speech about how ISIS is just a bunch of misunderstood minorities that are fighting back against white oppression and need acceptance.
>>69292690
stop bashing DC, it's already dead
>>69292543
>a single organization that was literally co-founded by Hydra members
>117 nations
Infiltrating a 100 nations is a lot harder than an organization you've been in for 60 years.
No one in Civil War was right or wrong, and no one did "nothing wrong".
>>69291937
You are a retard. Due process is literally a bipartisan philosophy.
>>69292795
Not to mention checks and balances.
>>69291789
I like how they both argue that the debate about the accords didn't make sense because one side was too obviously correct...
Both argue for a different side.
I think that shows that the disagreement was founded.
It's literally impossible to bring the Avengers into any public command structure, they did SHIELD's work voluntarily and that only worked because Fury could give them direct orders.
Having a committee decide where they can and cannot go is pointless, how do stop Thor and Hulk from intervening? Send them an angry voicemail?
The Accords were pointless and infringed on the rights of the Avengers as individuals, if the Committee decided for example they should act on Israel's behalf against the Palestinians, and they decided not to do it? Would they then be criminals.
Whilst the Avengers acted with "null supervision" in the earlier films, nothing the did was criminal, trying to treat them as rogue vigilante's simply makes no sense.
It does make a lot more sense in the comics, as shitty as the civil war comics were, because basically the whole regulation thing is spurred on by super heroes acting retarded and getting a bunch of people killed when they try to take down a villain who is way out of their league for a reality tv show.
>Doesn't even know what his gem is but realizes it's incredibly powerful and not from Earth
>Agrees to basically let a bunch of bureaucrats direct him
>"We need to be controlled, our presence breeds calamity."
>Confrontation with Cap's team
>Cuts an airport in half and almost kills Steve and Bucky
>Shoots the wrong guy and almost kills Rhodey
>Literally looks down at Wanda and says "See? Calamity."
was he the dumbest person in this movie?
>>69292228
Maybe it's because the reasons they have to do so are shit.
>>69292842
Rich was the only one trying to argue that one side was too obvious.
Mike gave his argument for Cap's side, but never tried to act like either side was too obvious.
Jay pretty much avoided giving his argument for either side and just told Rich that he's wrong about there not being a need for a division.
>>69292925
He's just a 1 year old autistic faggot.
>>69292960
Jay thought there was enough of a reason for a division, Rich disagreed.
>>69292848
Nobody ever accused them of doing anything criminal.
They were accused of being overly destructive in their methods, which is accurate.
>>69292996
I know. That's what I just said.
>>69292925
>doesnt realize his own presence brings calamity as he is one of the most powerful beings on earth.
>the very gem in his head is going to bring calamity to his planet before he can even foresee it regardless of control and oversight.
Vision should be doing what Manhatten did, leave Earth. Realize what he has is a higher power than Earth can comprehend and control. He's better served to protecting Earth before anything happens to it as opposed to hanging around there.
So yeah, he's a young baby man sized purple dude. He's a bit dumb.
Is Rich a simpleton?
>doesn't understand that fastfood is bad for him
>Randian (although I don't think he has ever read one of her books)
>does nothing but play video games unless Mike is making him do simple tasks
>the streams show he has the worldview of an average 15 year old
>very rude and aggressive towards people who disagree with him, even when it is something extremely simple and factual that he's objectively wrong about, such as the location of an item in some game he's playing
>used to read children's comic books but doesn't really understand them
I like the guy, but he's pretty insufferable in the streams. However, I haven't watched the streams in a very, very long time so he might've changed/adapted.
>>69292987
He a big guy.
>>69293123
He has to stay on Earth so we can get the dramatic death scene when Thanos rips it from his head.
Makes sense in the movie though. Dont they leave out the whole part about their identities being recorded, and tony wanting peter to unmask himself for the world? That was the real decisive issue in the comic story line, not the vigilantism aspect.
>>69293149
what?
>>69293131
>>Randian (although I don't think he has ever read one of her books)
How is he Randian?
>>69293268
ah yes, the plot beckons it.
>>69292228
It's almost like /tv/ isn't one giant hivemind!
It shouldn't be hard for you to understand that some anons will hate something while others love it. I mean you demonstrated that in your own fucking post, but apparently everyone but you is an unthinking sheep who shares the exact same opinion as every other person on /tv/
>>69292987
what am I looking at here?
>>69292435
>UN
>quick and decisive action
pick one
>>69293149
what?
>>69292391
>>69292652
They could have just signed the accords, still did whatever they wanted, and got an angry letter from the UN every now and then whenever there was collateral damage.
That's literally how these things work.
Cap didn't know this because he's been out of the geopolitical loop for too long.
UN oversight was nothing but a way to make the public feel better and it's retarded no one ever points this out.
>>69293854
Halfway into the movie Tony does point that out and Cap agrees to sign it.
Then Cap immediately changes his mind because he finds out that Wanda has been under house arrest ever since the incident in Lagos.
Really, the disagreement in this movie comes less from ideological differences and more from emotional fits of rage because somebody crossed somebody else's personal line.
>>69292395
>>69293567
The UN in that situation would've been the legal cover the team needed to get shit done. Basically doing damage control when people complain about losing friends and family when the Avengers start avenging.
They'd be like that police chief you see in every cop movie that complains about the hero being a loose cannon but doesn't actually do anything about it.
It was the perfect solution to the Avengers needing to seem like they're regulated without actually regulating them.
>organization that ostensibly exists to defend the public
>zero public accountability or oversight
explain this unlicensed vigilantism cucks
>>69291789
>people are robots that always follow what I see as the most logical path
>opinions can't divide based on multiple reasons inside a person's mind and personality
>characters can't be flawed
Fuckin' Rich Evans
>>69294060
Yeah it's really retarded because just talking it over would've solved just about everything. Yes Tony should've probably just let Wanda walk around on her own, maybe with Vision chaperoning but then Steve was stupid for pulling a 180 just over that.
I blame this stupid bitch and her feminist speeches from beyond the grave influencing Cap to do retarded shit.
>>69291789
>I want to suck NSA's cock
Go ahead then.
>>69293854
>>69293854
what's to say that the UN doesn't just label them as rouge and rallies military power from participating countries and taking them out because of political agenda or UN being hijack by hydra or whatever?
also you're forgetting what kind of precedent this is actually setting for the whole super hero community at large, if they can force the Avengers to be soldiers for a bunch of suits, what makes you think they can't do that to everybody else who has powers?
the movie doesn't do enough to portray what would eventually happen when a bunch of people with powers work for the government, the comics did a much better job illustrating that
>>69294060
>>69294215
>I'm just going to conveniently keep this from Steve so he doesn't wig out, no biggie right?
Fucktards.
>>69294252
2 years in iso cubes, muh 99% weed citizen.
>>69294317
Steve keeping the fact that Bucky murdered Tony's parents a secret was way, way worse imo.
>>69292788
>>69292788
Tell that to Saudi Arabia you retard.
>>69294295
>they did long storylines better in a couple years of comic books than one movie did
No fucking shit.
Civil War started the Phase 3 of the MCU and it's going to influence every single Phase 3 movie.
>>69294406
>one country/organization is comparable to LITERALLY a hundred
Sure thing buddy.
>>69294317
He didn't try to keep it from him. If he were trying to keep it from him, wouldn't he have just never told him? Instead, he did tell him.
It was pretty obvious that the reason he didn't tell Steve about Wanda's house arrest at first is because it wasn't relevant until Steve was about to sign the Accords and then Tony would explain what would happen as a result(i.e. Wanda's house arrest being lifted).
Steve, on the other hand, did keep the death of Tony's parents a secret for no reason other than because he wanted to protect Bucky.
>>69291789
I agreed with him on BVS because I thought it was a shitty movie and happened to have a bunch of the same issues but watching the other episodes he's appeared in he's actually kind of a dumb fuck.
>>69294513
>watching the other episodes he's appeared in he's actually kind of a dumb fuck.
You have no idea. Try watching one of their livestreams some time. Rich is beyond retarded.
>>69294513
Watch any given stream Rich is on and he shows his dumb fuckedness pretty quickly.
The worst part is he always thinks he's right and he's an angry old curmudgeon over it.
>>69294295
>what's to say that the UN doesn't just label them as rouge
Are they not already rogue? They're a supranational military organization with the firepower to level entire countries that operates openly with no oversight from anyone and without regard for international laws.
Really, the fact that the UN is being so lenient and is just pushing for an accord is kind of an extraordinary show of good faith.
>>69294489
Steve didn't know Bucky killed the Starks until he saw the tape.
He feared it was Bucky, but didnt know for certain.
What he did know was that Howard and Maria Stark dying wasn't an accident.
>>69292169
I was concerned, but surprisingly Mike explains how stupid it is later on. I have been concerned with Mike liking a lot of the big budget shitty movies that have come out in the last few years, but he just seems to be enjoying shlock more.
>>69294486
Saudi Arabia runs the UN these days.
It would be understandable if say there was aliens or giant monster robots attacking cities every day for the Avengers to be unchecked
But no, in the opening of the movie, they. are going up against terrorist mercenaries. They dont tell the local authorities about these terrorist plots, they invade foreign soil unlawfully and take the law into their own hands before flying off.
Thats fucked up and Cap is an asshole
>>69291789
What bullshit. Regulation would be a good idea maybe, if it wasn't for fucking Ross running the show. Tony was willing to hand power over to that prick. He knew it was bullshit from the start, but figured he could wok his way around the rules if needed.
The fact that Tony later dismisses the accords to help Cap directly shows they were a shitty idea from the start and he was wrong. He only began wailing on Bucky because he saw that footage.
>>69294729
This.
It makes literally no sense to allow the Avengers to operate with no regard to international borders, especially when 90% of its members are American citizens, and THREE are United States military officers/personnel.
>>69292332
The only one of them who's even come close to genociding anybody is Stark because he's a collosal fuckwit who can't stop building doomsday weapons
>>69292435
Precisely.
We had not even the slightest hint and what the UN rules would be. For all we know it could have just been limited to
> a massive liability slush fund
> general guidelines for action
> a UN representative overseeing operations.
> a UN agreement that the Avengers are agents of the UN and not a single nation.
The real question is: How do you put Captain America, or the Hulk into a cage? That little magic collar for Scarlet Witch came out of fucking nowhere, and only someone like Tony could have invented it.
>>69294849
And the Avengers are basically his organization, so...
>>69294849
And Thor, Hulk, Wanda and Vision could easily destroy entire countries WITHOUT creating doomsday weapons if they felt like it.
And Hulk feels like it almost every single day.
>>69294698
>le random shitpost
I think you're looking for reddit.
>>69294888
While we're on the subject, shouldn't the UN and all world governments be well aware of the attempted chatari invasion?
Stark should have been given full autonomy by the UN to build a giant Iron Legion.
It upsets me that he's losing his mind knowing what's coming, but stopped trying to prep Earth for it after the Ultron disaster.
Ultron was the mind gem acting through Tony's hardware, Tony didn't do anything wrong.
Now suddenly the only thing anyone cares about is Bucky and dead moms.
>>69294888
It was the lightest possible slap on the wrist the Avengers could receive, most likely because people realize they do more good than harm and the world needs them.
But you still have idiots saying any oversight whatsoever is "going too far."
>>69294952
Fucking retard.
>>69294888
Captain America would be pretty easy to imprison, to be honest.
And Tony and T'challa could make a cage from vibranium to hold the Hulk.
>>69295027
Wasn't The Vision supposed to be Ultron done right?
What happened to him being a protective Iron Legion network?
You have both SHIELD and Tony coming up with much needed defense networks to fend off an alien invasion and both are corrupted and never again considered.
Holy shit, it's like ID4 2 is the only movie actually taking this seriously.
>>69292597
ISIS is US backed, and N. Korea is irrelevant so...
>>69295047
>claim a member state without a permanent security council seat "runs" the UN
>call others retards
>>69295179
The Vision is basically Jarvis in Ultron's body.
AndI don't remember them ever saying he's supposed to be tied to the Iron Legion.
The megahelicarriers arent done because there's no longer an organization to do them, SHIELD is gone and despite Tony's wealth, the Avengers don't have the resources, nor the need, to make them.
>>69295299
No, I get that. What I'm saying is no one seems to be taking the threat of alien invasion seriously anymore.
>>69294832
Yes but in the context of the MCU, we've only seen them fight what are basically apocalyptic enemies. What were they supposed to do, not stop Ultron from destroying the entire planet?
The opening fight scene in Civil War is sort of smaller in scale and consequence, but even then it was supervillains stealing that poison gas or whatever it was.
>>69291789
He's not wrong in the slightest.
The problem was, in the comics, despite Iron Man's side being the obvious correct choice in any sensible real-world society, the writers ALSO went out of their way to make his whole side into "the bad guys" in the comic universe who used any means necessary and got a lot of innocents abused because of their zealotry, with Cap's side being the poor little persecuted dindu freedom fighters (despite an actual honest examination of their goals showing them to be hollow, selfish, and even more fanatical).
The movie is basically a case of attempting to have their cake and eat it too, and failing. They wanted to get that "hey look, we're metaphorically addressing a real-world issue" vibe but it doesn't work when you also insist on adhering to the comic book-world where people are nonsensically fine with identity-hidden, unregulated living weapons of mass destruction tearing apart their cities every day.
>>69292228
maybe because RLM is shit? that never came to your mind?
>>69295667
>it was supervillains
They were terrorists led by a Hydra agent in an exoskeleton.
Hardly counts as supervillains.
And Lagos is just many examples where the Avengers are wrecking shit internationally.
And they didn't even alert authorities and THEN go help them. Clearly they knew what Rumlow was doing there and when beforehand.
>>69295917
Clearly, people weren't fine with "unregulated living weapons of mass destruction tearing apart cities every day"
If they were fine, then the Sokovia Accords wouldn't exist.
>>69293854
Signing the accords and then just doing whatever they wanted would have made them criminals just like if they didn't sign at all.
>>69295543
Aye. This really upsets me.
One of the Infinity Gems is on Earth. Maybe two.
> The Mind Gem
Vision said "I don't know what this thing is." but Thor knows it has cosmic significance and everyone knows it came from Loki's staff.
Tony had already deduced that they're coming back.
Pepper left him because he can't stop obsessing over it. So I can only hope that Tony has been working on the next thing behind the scenes, and that's going to kick-off Infinity War.
>>69296860
>the final fight in Infinity War Part 1 is Battle of New York: Electric Boogaloo, but on a larger scale
>when the Chitauri arrive to wreck shit, they're met with Tony's megahelicarriers and the new Iron Legion that blow them all to shit the second they arrive
>Thanos uses the confusion to kill Vision and take the mind gem and flees
>And that was the problem, it's like... Tony Stark and Captain America have like, a two second conversation about... was Bucky framed? "I've got some evidence". "NO FUCK YOU" PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH. It's like, just sit down and talk it out. Give Captain America five minutes to explain himself. They just got hotheaded so immediately, when they shouldn't have.
Mike is right
>>69294698
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>69297143
I think the main reason why Cap went after Bucky himself and disregarded everything else is because the Black Panther was hunting him, and was quite possibly going to kill him.
>>69296964
That would be a great way to do it.
I'd be very happy with that.
Thanos has to get them, so it's time to start letting him win some battles.
>>69292359
>The reason Tony supports the Accords is because if the smartest person in the world, which is Tony according to himself, is not infallible then no one in the world is.
And the reason Steve opposes the Accords is that if the most virtuous person in the world, which is Steve according to himself, is not right then no one in the world is.
>>69293123
If Vision left Earth then he'd be even more exposed to Thanos, who is a threat to the entire damn universe.
He's fucked no matter what.
>>69294295
>the movie doesn't do enough to portray what would eventually happen when a bunch of people with powers work for the government, the comics did a much better job illustrating that
No, the comics were completely fucked up and resulted in absolute power being turned over to the Green Goblin just because he shot the Skrull queen in the head.
>>69293131
Rich completely doesn't realize why he is, or in fact was popular. He is a gag character. He's the guy that gets beat up and stays down. He doesn't have funny quips or jokes. He's simply the bafoon with a dumb laugh. These are the reasons he was liked. Not his opinions or his acting. Not his jovial attitude or insights. He was simply lower than Mike and Jay on the cool scale. He was the oaf, and this awkwardness and position of dumbfounded sincerity made him enjoyable to the senses.
>>69292490
Why was the world's president a dog?
Dragon ball lore was all over the place...
>>69300654
Rich is funny and has some weird carisma to him. You just cant hate the fat fuck, he's a loser teddy bear.
>>69291789
Well, yeah. Superheroes should be controlled.
>>69301262
Have you ever watched any of their live streams?
>>69298618
Fuck off. Steve's entire motivation was
>muh freedum
>muh rights
>muh friend dindu nuffin
The joke here is humans thinking they can tell supers what to do.
>>69301359
They can. The only heroes with real power in the MCU are Thor and Hulk, and they were both gone.
>>69293007
So in what way would UN regulation minimize the their overly destructive methods?
>>69301517
Some kind of basic combat training would be a good start. A regulated chain of command would be another.
>>69291789
it's a divisive issue, even Mike says he leans more towards Cap's side
after Winter Soldier and seeing the corruption of Hydra through their infiltration of Shield it makes sense that Cap is skeptical when it comes to outside control
both sides have valid arguments, saying that one side is clearly better than the other is naive and ignorant
>>69301304
I like the guy. I don't wanna marry him.
>>69291789
>binding yourself to a government that decided to nuke fucking manhatten
>binding yourself to a government that was literally proven to be controlled by genocidal nazis pretty recently
>binding yourself to the changing agendas of the UN, unable to help say Iran because of sanctions and Irael being kikes
>they're literally locking people up before the accords are even approved
Cap is so fucking right it's not even funny
>>69301683
the problem with using Hydra as a justification is that if infiltrations on the level of Hydra are possible then all governments everywhere are too risky to have and we need to live in either Galtian anarcho-capitalism or Marxist post-state Communist utopia to have a chance against the massive inevitable conspiracies.
In the real world, it's impossible to keep secrets like that.
>>69291789
They even later said casualities would still happen and mike said he would lean toward cap's side. They are hacks.
>>69301262
my point is that lately, he is trying to rise above the level of loser teddy bear, when that is all he should be when in the presence of mike and jay.
>>69301517
Think of it like a controlled forest fire. Forest fires are inherently destructive, but they can be controlled and contained given proper supervision so that nobody gets hurt and the casualties are minimal.
The Avengers have been trying and failing to minimize their own casualties. It's just what happens when you leave them to supervise themselves.
I'm not saying that the U.N. is incapable of making mistakes, but they are more qualified to manage military deployment in a modern day world than Captain America is.
You may be thinking "Oh yeah, making the Avengers wait for the U.N. to make a decision while people die is so much better." but the whole point of this is to try to minimize casualties. Some people seem to think that the goal of all this would be for the U.N. to be able do nothing while the Avengers sit around and watch TV, when really it's so that the U.N. can make sure a building is safe to blow up before giving the Avengers permission to blow it up.
>>69302078
Would the Avengers not be at a disadvantage if they had to concern themselves about minimizing collateral damage while fighting an enemy that does not care about collateral damage?
>>69302259
They already are. That's why Quicksilver died (also because of Whedon's bloodthirst). They're just not legally liable in any way.
>>69302259
Are you suggesting that the Avengers shouldn't care about casualties at all? They should just destroy everything in their path as long as it means destroying the bad guy too?
>>69301792
Hydra is canonically dead guy. That's no longer a viable excuse.
>>69301469
>forgetting Vision
Good luck tying down that guy.
>>69293306
The thing is all the Avengers in the MCU already have their public identities known so that isn't an issue. The only two people who actually do have secret identities aren't even affected by the Accords since they aren't Avengers.
>>69302461
>implying hydra is the only evil organization in the world
the ghost of hydra is more than enough reason to question motives
>>69294108
SHIELD were active at the time, and there plan to deal with it was to nuke the area. It was Nick Cage who had to defy them and allow the Avengers to fend off the invasion. If the Avengers were subordinate to a governing body, it's probable the governing body would've told the Avengers to hang back and then nuked the area. Captain America was right, and if you disagree, you are literally retarded.
>taking sides in fictional hero fantasies
>>69297794
Cap went after Bucky himself because he found out that there were orders to shoot Bucky on sight.
>>69293447
literally the most reddit thing ive read here.
>>69302666
>implying the Avengers would allow the government to nuke a city just because there's a law about it
I agree that the government can't exactly be trusted but, c'mon, this is a superhero flick
>>69302634
Keeping the world at the mercy of superpowered individuals who operate with no oversight and accountability is just as bad. Why should the public trust them considering Ultron was born from their actions?
>>69293123
This makes me wonder how long the MCU can hold together without the Avengers getting a space ship and everything turning into Star Trek.
Guardians of the Galaxy/Thor already established that there is a bustling intergalactic universe out there, how long is it going to be before humanity gets pissed off at being quarantined and the equivalent of a third-world galactic shithole planet.
>>69292842
This.
My immediate thought was that they're basically proving Marvel's doing their job right by sparking a debate between people who think their opinion is the obvious "correct" one.
>>69303027
If you really want to close out the MCU before a reboot all you need to do is adapt the Earth X storyline.
Deferring responsibilities to the UN doesn't change anything. The UN are just as incapable as everyone else (or even more so).
Instead of "vigilante" superheroes being in charge, now you have faceless men who answer to no one.
Iron Mans side is for literal retards.
>>69302979
they have oversight, if they ever got to the point where the world decided they went too far they could still arrest them, all the accords would have done is prevent them from taking actions where they should be
>>69303499
>they have oversight
What oversight?
>taking action
The issue with them taking action is that if they fuck up they can just say my bad and walk away from what they did without answering to anybody. Never mind that operating in total secrecy creates conditions where civilian deaths can occur in greater numbers because they can't coordinate with local law enforcement or regional armies as well. The diplomatic channels the UN provides by being under them would be invaluable in preventing these things.
>>69303659
>What oversight?
public opinion, each other, individual governments
if they wanted to they could easily coordinate with local leo and military, private security firms do it literally all the time. and they could still be arrested, all the accords are is handcuffs on helping people
>>69292169
>Rich, you fat dumb fuck.
>realizing this just now
Bitch was shilling for the shitty new starwars since before it started, made a whole video talking shit about sonic 1 while sucking at playing it like I have never seen anyone suck at a 2D platform game ever, and you just now realize he's a balding fuck who is full of shit
>>69294653
They got popular so now they get paid to shill shit while being 'honest' gives them nothing but useless internet points
These idiots are all 30-near-40, they can't afford to be honest anymore, they can't afford to not lie and not say how shitty the movies are
RLM sold out, thats it
>>69303931
>all the accords are is handcuffs on helping people
I just explained why this is not the case.
