Interesting compelling character or just shameless fapbait?
Manga was GOAT.
First anime was OK.
Rest is meh at most.
tiddies
n-no
>>69267610
Shes both
I am fascinated by the theory that she's actually a man.
>>69267610
Shamelessly compelling fapbait.
>>69269002
This theory gets thrown around all the time, but at least in SAC, it's clear she was a little girl before cyberization.
>>69268447
The manga is good, but it's weirdly jarring if you're used to the movie or the series. Also, SAC is GOAT.
>>69269002
Not really. She would touch tities all the time then.
>>69267610
Manga: fap
Movies: a heightened hybrid
Series: depends on episode. Usually a lesser "interesting".
Something isn't bait just because you don't like it.
>>69269002
The real curiosity is if she's really human...
>>69270504
He didn't necessarily imply fapbait was bad, bro.
>>69270658
Since when has "bait" had any positive connotations?
>>69270768
Not either of them, but are you so retarded you can't understand context?
>>69270768
When you go fishing duh.
>>69270946
What context does OP's post have that makes "bait" a word of praise?
>>69270658
>is if she's really human...
She's incredible math
>>69267610
Least interesting character in the show and not even all that hot.
>>69267610
Major is a Mary Sue without the constant highlight.
She'd be a compelling lead heroine if she was actually human instead of walking pornography government agent.
Togusa often feels like the better choice for the leading character in any Ghost in the Shell scenario. A traditional policeman struggling or somehow coping to make ends meet and catch bad guys within a dystopia cyber-obsessed world he barely has a twinkling of an understanding towards.
>>69271360
>I haven't seen Arise
Hello S.A.C. babby
>>69271433
>Arise
Literally all the characters in SAC are weak and/or uninteresting
>>69271360
Togusa is GOAT, as far as characters go.
>>69271433
Arise was shit.
>>69271433
What self-respecting person would watch Arise
>>69271360
togusa becomes arimaki jr eventually
>>69268447
>Rest is meh at most.
>Ignoring the film and 2 seasons of SAC which are goat.
>>69271960
SAC is super overrated but enjoyable
>>69271829
What self-respecting person wouldn't at least try something because they hear bad things from retards on the internet.
>>69271102
HOW
>>69272138
SHE
>>69271360
>Togusa
>leading character
>white male detected
Holy shit, why do white people just NEED their protagonists to be as MIDDLE OF THE ROAD as possible.
The overwhelming majority of protagonists are already basically Togusa.
Relatively young, maybe married with kids, generally unassuming, not particularly intelligent, workaday middle-class "average" joes. Because apparently you can't relate to anything else to anchor the story.
Shit I mean 90% of all story-telling is already done with Togusa-type characters.
I'd like to see something new on the fucking screen for one. There's a difference between being a Mary Sure and being competent, the Major fucks pretty bad in just about every iteration of the series at least once.
>>69272138
SHE
>>69271433
>Arise
>>69267610
fapbait that spouts grade 10 pysch notes in long monologues
>>69272197
>not particularly intelligent
He's not an super genius like the Major, but he's the reason basically every major case Section 9 takes on gets solved. He's only the 'normal, unexceptional guy' because he's on a team of literal superhumans.
>>69271433
>Arise
>>69272197
>>69267610
Shameless fapbait.
She should always wear that uniform instead of her retarded swimsuit.
>>69272197
The whole point of me saying i prefer Togusa as a conceptual protagonist over the Major though is because i just believe the Major doesn't work properly.
Togusa just embodies traditionalism, like you say. The working class man who you can relate with, but there is always a story to be told there no matter what. It's humane therefore it's also easier to follow.
The Major's stories all work the same way. She is a silent overseer of people's problems or villains overstating themselves, incriminating themselves further and she arbitrates justice as the solution to the problem every fucking time and we learn little about her as a character.
>>69272197
Are you telling me Motoko is somehow a better MC
damn, I was about to ask if it's worth it to watch Arise. I guess not.
>>69271433
>Arise
>>69272600
It's okay, but it's a poor man's SAC. The Major's character design sucks as well, and they wait until the very end of the finale movie to tease her getting a body that looks older than 15.
>>69267610
She has alot more personality in the manga well until she merges with the puppet master but then she becomes totally different entity altogether. I'm not a fan of SAC in general all the characters are so super serious and boring compared to the manga.
>>69267610
Interestingly, I didnt fap to her once the entire time I watched the show despite finding her attractive.
>>69271433
>Arise
Fucking kill yourself
>>69272600
Don't listen to these guys and decide for yourself.
Watch in this order.
OVA 4
OVA 1
OVA 2
OVA 3
AAA (the tv series) Eps. 9 & 10
The New Movie
This is the order of the television rebroadcast, and it's very, very good.
Character design sucks eggs.
It also shows a whole lot more than it tells. People are just salty because the Major isn't cute.
However it is the best, in my view, animated version of her character.
One of the overall themes is memeory manipulation and this viewing order, which is essentially official, is great at accenting that mood. There's good techno-jargon, but it doesn't get bogged down by it. Animation is pretty good, although there are some off-model moments here and there.
You could also just watch the Alt. Architecture airing if th other seems too involved. There's just a few non-critical animation/scenes cut out.
Try it and I'm certain you'll like it.
>>69272662
SHE
>>69272770
Batou is still a goofy jokester in SAC, and the Major isn't serious all the time. I feel like the difference between manga Major and SAC Major is that the SAC version acts professional, aside from her lack of pants in the first season. What I like most about SAC is that they seem like an actual professional organization that can get things done as opposed to a bunch of quirky weirdos like you see in anime most of the time.
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>>69271360
thats a big part of the reason i think innocence stands out compared to the first film, despite its problems
>>69267610
In the movie she was the former, in SAC she was the latter.
>>69272672
Are you one of those people who think high school girls in anime are supposed to look prepubescent?
>>69272929
This. Also, the excellent dub makes it a great way to get non-weebs to watch it and it becomes a very good police procedural that solves futuristic crimes that actually stem from the advancement of the technology. Unlike most near-future sci-fi, which just shows the same crimes of old, but with a futuristic twist.
>>69273142
Exactly this.
>>69272562
Don't get me wrong, I like Togusa but when it comes to exploring the concepts of the series he is horribly ill-fitted. Togusa knows who he is and maybe he struggles with the morality of what they do but he is not questioning the nature of humanity or even what classifies as human. The Major in terms of the themes of the story comments on the interplay of the physical body and the intangible concept of a ghost and at least in the first movie comes to understand that being alive means changing. It's no mistake that the big fight in the movie takes place in front of a mural showing the Tree of Evolution. The Major realizes that change is necessary for survival and when she merges with the other AI after her defeat it's implied that what has taken place is a new form of evolution. The chain has gone from her once being human to her being a human mind in a cyborg body and now something that is even harder to classify.
Maybe Togusa could be the star of an adaptation but it would mean needing him to go on a similar journey in order to preserve the thematic resonance of the story.
Basically the Major is someone who ponders these things while Togusa isn't really.
>>69272969
Exactly. Batou and Togusa are perfectly flawed characters just doing dogged police work in that movie.
It's a traditional cop movie with dirty politics, sleazy sex trafficking gangsters and some harsh truths.
The Major would just be unaffected by any of it and know an instant solution to the problem after everyone else does the work like in the show. It'd just be fucking boring.
>>69273437
This i can actually respect because it totally reflects the core themes. But the intellectualism is mired hard by making her totally unsympathetic or unrelatable. (or even worse, just not in the spotlight in general)
At the very least this character development that embodies her character should be progressive/dynamic and not seemingly static throughout the entire story telling.
>>69272562
Not everyone relate to characters because they're realistic, I like Motoko because she is ridiculously hot, intelligent and skilled badass who transcends humanity itself, that's way more interesting than some beat cop. They try making her more relatable in Arise and it sucks. Major is best when she is superior to everyone, this doesn't mean bad things don't happen to her or she is always untouchable but she can go places and explore things far beyond a character like Togusa could ever experience.
>>69271360
>le Mary Sue meme
God this is the absolute intellectual nadir of cultural discussion.
>>69273674
The problem is the writing for SAC and the other series is that they make the Major too serious. In the manga she jokes around quite a bit and is more human, I guess you could say. The first movie didn't have that problem as much because they took they established that any humor she does have is very dry, hence the period joke in the first five minutes and the opening scenes establish a tone that the film doesn't break that often. It's a much more immersive way of doing things than any of the other series have tried to do.
Togusa is pretty much meant to be what he is as the Major says that Cyborgs all will react the same way in the same situations and that they can't adapt or have that random action that benefits humans, in a way the Major ends the film trying to be more how she described Togusa's role in their team.
I'm watching SAC 2 and I'm liking how the filler episodes are at least attempting to disguise themselves with some relevance to the Individual 11 plotline, rather than how I could instantly tell if I could skip an episode of SAC 1.
>>69274411
>I could skip an episode of SAC 1
Why even watch the show at all when you can just read a plot summary on the internet?
>>69274411
S.A.C. one literally tells you if you can skip an episode, you absolute moron.
Also:
>not liking the comfy episodic entries in S.A.C.
>S.A.C. 2
It's 2nd GiG or gtfo, lazy cunt.
>>69274411
>skipping episodes in SAC
Nigga Ghost in the Shell literally has the best "filler" episodes ever.
>>69274411
I'm glad 2nd Gig is getting more attention lately, underrated stuff.
>>69274411
>skipping episodes
kill yourself
>>69274411
A filler episode AFAIK means an original episode that's used to delay the series so it doesn't catch up with the manga, which is to say that filler episodes only exist in continuously running daytime shows like Naruto. An episode that does not advance the story of the series is not automatically a filler episode.
Why would you even skip an episode just because it doesn't advance the story?
>>69274411
The character story episodes in 2nd gig were GOAT. The Major's and Saito's episodes in particular.
>Mexico episode
>Ends with mexican standoff
Cast him
>>69274810
Hideaki Anno.
>>69274482
>>69274512
>>69274552
>>69274588
I didn't skip them, but I just cared a whole lot less. I can be interested in them, but if there's no continuity, it's just in a vacuum.
Sure, that episode with the shootout on the abandoned platform was cool, and there were anti-augmentation factions. They pulled using the goverent official after they saved his daughter from the Russians.
But a whole lot of the episodes are just MASSIVE CRIMINAL SCANDAL THAT'S A GIANT THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY and it's over in 20 minutes and case closed.
>>69274906
>it's just in a vacuum
HAHAHA wow, you're absolutely correct!
"Stand Alone Episode" indeed.
>>69274663
Saito's episode is a fucking masterpiece.
Stand Alone Complex as a whole is just a piece of work, really. There are obviously problems with it, but I'm mostly only disappointed in the lack of character development for Bouma and Paz. From memory, Bouma didn't even get a character episode and Paz was still a complete mystery even with his ex-girlfriend episode and basically just adding more to how cool he is. This is going off of my watch of it from many years ago though.
Despite that, I loved the team aspect of Stand Alone Complex. Really added a lot to the experience. Especially when Togusa was involved, since he's the only non-cyberized guy on the team and whenever he got something done, it felt even more satisfying. Even Arise managed to be enjoyable when it finally got the team together around OVA 4 plus the two additional episodes and the movie.
>>69275097
Hello my /m/an.
Was wondering when you'd show up.
>>69275215
I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm not the person you were hoping for. Just another person with the same taste, I guess.
SAVE YOUR TEARS
>>69269197
fuck, this isn't right to left is it
