Why are all horror MCs female? Is it >muh feminism or is there some other explanation?
>>69132389
Because they're better at screaming than men I guess
>>69132389
i forgot how cute she was
what happened to her ?
>>69132389
It elevates the scary factor of the bad guy because nobody expects a chick to fight back
The thought of a killer penetrating a woman with a knife is similar to the act of sex (learnt this in film class)
>>69132389
we do and also don't want to see women get hurt
>>69132389
Because we live in a sexist, patriarchal society in which we deem it unacceptable for a man to show any emotion other than anger, frustration, or dedication, so audiences would perceive a man running away from Jason Voorhees as a coward, while they'll sympathize with a woman.
Patriarchy backfiring again, basically
>>69132426
she still looks good imo
she was in daredevil s02 ? i might be remembering wrong
>>69132389
Sympathy for when the big bad killer corners them at the end
>>69132472
>allowing your society to have a bunch of pussies in it.
anon, I'm glad we have a society full of sociopaths.
>>69132472
>Patriarchy
>>69132472
Actually thats just nature
>>69132389
Vulnerable protagonists elevate tension in the viewers, especially in horror films.
Because a woman is perfect to play the role of a weak, intimidated and scared pray. Masculinity plus "fighting back" kills the fun in a situation in where you hunt and toy with your victim.
>>69132426
Wild Things happenedher tits are awful
>>69132493
nvm i'm dumb she was in latest season of house of cards
>>69132493
no, neve cambell wasn't on daredevil tv show. rosario dawson was/is
>>69132389
they're always hot too, weird huh?
>>69132389
Because horror films reflect the social hierarchy of the real world where women are the perpetual underdog.
>>69132426
there's a neve campbellaissance happening now. she was in mad men s6 briefly, as well as manhattan s2 and house of cards s4.
>>69132505
I agree, and human nature is patriarchal.
There is literally nothing wrong with a patriarchal society. Patriarchy =/= treating women like shit.
>>69132553
on paper there's nothing wrong with any social arrangement
>>69132426
her tits are ugly
>>69132526
but anon if they were ugly women, would we care?
>>69132449
>le sexual penetration is violent meme
your film teacher is a hack
>>69132389
Because the villain doesn't seem as threatening when the MC looks like he could OHK the villain.
It's funny how you never see feminist whining about always being the main helpless character of horror movies, since it obviously shows them as weak underdogs.
>>69132389
Because women make better victims. No one wants to watch a guy run away screaming in fear for a whole movie. he'd be called a fag.
>>69132429
>>69132510
ok makes sense in slashers, but in all of these demon/ghosts/haunting newer shit it always comes down to a girl fighting back and those enemies are supernatural creatures and men are also inferior to them. Maybe it really is something about gender roles, but I think it's just a trope now, no real reason or ideological motivation for it.
>>69132641
>not being feminist is reddit
Sure, buddy.
>>69132636
>you never see feminist whining about always being the main helpless character
what? yes you do
Neve Campbell was like the KStew of the 90's.
>>69132662
>men are also inferior to them
That's just mainstream movies in general nowadays.
>that tatum tho
A lot of modern torture porn films have an erotic quality to their violence, so they cast young pretty woman in them so they can contrive various sexually violent situations to stick them in which stimulates the audience.
>>69132632
all sex is domination humiliation and conquest
>>69132662
Movies are fiction and supernatural creatures like ghosts represent real world things. They obviously don't represent ghosts because ghosts aren't real. So if a woman in a movie is being haunted by a ghost it's probably commentary on something that women experience in the real world.
>>69132662
women project onto women, and men care about women especially when danger is perceived, it isn't exactly rocket science, anon.
More vulnerable
>>69132810
maybe you need to take a break from porn and try sex yourself (then again maybe thats not such a good idea considering your views)
this nigga is crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLHzFbyySE0&ab_channel=jarvisbirmingham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7St77Xhhm8&ab_channel=jarvisbirmingham
>>69132842
well that's what I was thinking, just meant it's not patriarchy or anything more complex than rooting for the weaker one.
>>69132902
>maybe you need to take a break from porn and try sex yourself (then again maybe thats not such a good idea considering your views)
Those are feminist views that are held by 99% of women, so either you adopt them and slap them around or you don't have sex because they think you're a weak omega. Sorry man, 2016 sucks.
>>69132627
no, that's why, we have the instinct of protecting woman and more if they are hot because it's fuckable
>>69133200
>le feminist booegyman ruining everything
sorry about your victim complex
>>69133369
Huh?
>>69133409
hello?
>>69132426
She's in House of Cards
>>69133200
>i have to change my views so women will like me
>b-but you're the omegas, guys!
>>69133950
I'm just telling it like it is, that's what you'll be viewed as. You'll see when you grow up, it's really shitty but it's true. I don't like it any more than you do.
>>69133996
Wrong.
Im just telling you like it is. You'll see when you grow up. You only have yourself to blame.
>>69132389
Frankenstein was written by a woman.There's a long tradition of women and horror being intertwined.
The "women make better preys/men make better predators" kind of explanation can be viable, serial-killer based horror exploits this, Italian gialli are very sexually-charged, more so than American slashers., but doesn't explain why little girls can be so spooky in Japanese horror for example, If you want a more pretentious answer, I'll suggest that its simply something deeply rooted in our collective unconscious.
Slashers were derivative of haunted house movies which themselves were often derivative of Gothic romance stories such as the Bronte sisters' novels, which had death and sexuality as intertwined themes, most likely due to the era's Puritan sensibilities. A woman's sexuality is a dangerous thing. One of the key themes in slashers (obvious in Halloween), which Scream made fun of, is that those who sin are doomed to get punished and only the virginal girl can survive.
You'll notice that haunted movies don't work with male protagonists, except when they're creative/artists of some kind (Shining being a notable example). Carl Jung theorized that the feminine image in a man's psyche, which he called "Anima" is also the source of creative ability. In Greek mythology, Psyche (the soul) is a woman who becomes a goddess. In horror movies, the house itself is often symbolic of the character's psyche: fears, memories... Motherhood (and the idea that a woman's survival instinct is stronger than a man's) also seems to inspire horror storytellers often.
When Del Toro was promoting Crimson Peak, he went on in interviews about how it was filled with references to Gothic novels and Jungian psychosexual symbolism (long corridors, locks and keys, blood on white sheets, etc.), He also made parallels with fairy tales/childhood fantasies, as you can easily see themes from Alice in Wonderland or Oz in Pan's Labyrinth and a lot of other horror movies as well.
>>69132389
No one gives a shit about a man getting killed. Women get more sympathy.
>>69134143
Ok, so in your view, feminists don't view sex as violent, this doesn't warp the minds of women to the extend that most of them are into choking and slapping and shit like that nowadays, and this doesn't fuck up the sex lives of normal people?
Am I getting this right? You think that women like regular guys who don't abuse them and this is enough for them and they don't run off to whoever can provide the biggest emotional rollercoaster?
>>69134156
>girls can be so spooky in Japanese horror
So who is usually the MC when the villain/monster is a female?
>>69132810
Im just telling you like it is.
When you said
>all sex is domination humiliation and conquest
I suggested you were wrong. Seek help.
>>69132389
Innocence
>>69134330
That wasn't me though, I'm just saying that this is how women view it, it's a really shitty view of anything related to interpersonal relationships, but the Jew poured this into their brains and we are where we are.
>>69134386
>muh 'spiracies
>muh jews
lol nice victim complex.
Because you don't watch enough movies. It's about 50/50 men/women MC in horror.
Slashers have more women because of the Final Girl thing.
>>69134457
Do you deny the existence of the concept of propaganda?
>>69134156
Slashers were derivative of murder mysteries. Specifically 10 Little Niggers/10 Little Indians/And Then There Where None.
>>69132426
Jew genes
>>69134274
Another woman, usually.
Unless the female is a sexual temptress/succubi, stuff like Species or Under the Skin.
Stuff like Carrie, May or Black Swan about girls going insane, often due to abusive mothers or social pressure from other girls, often with lesbian undertones.
The Neon Demon's script goes exactly in that direction, it's female on female gruesome horror.
Again, motherhood, like Jason's mother in Friday 13th.
In the Japanese horror films, like Ring or Dark Water, the protag is often a woman/mother, who somehow tries to help the haunted girl find peace, with parallels to her own daughter.
The Queen in Aliens is destroyed by Ripley, again thanks to the woman/mother's survival instinct (she even has a symbolic daughter to protect).
>>69134489
do you deny the irony of your victim complex when compared to feminist/patriarchy victim complex?
>>69134222
You spend too much time on the internet. Your perception of Women is based on projections by men who got cheated on.
>>69134561
I don't know, how does that victim complex manifest itself? I'm unclear what you're talking about. You haven't answered a single one of my questions so far.
>>69134546
>The Neon Demon's script
is it leaked?i'd read that
>>69134568
So is my post an accurate description of your view?
Check this out:
https://www.romper.com/p/7-reasons-not-to-be-embarrassed-about-liking-rough-sex-7360
Is this for example not a propaganda article that pushes an agenda backed up by citing an incredible 57% figure?
Is that just projections by men who got cheated on?
>>69134700
>Propaganda
>romper
>Blog-spam list article
go away, spend less time on the internet.
>>69134756
You're not very good at this whole discussion thing.
>>69134774
>discussion
>you spouting tinfoil nonsense
>others rightly saying you need to get out more
honestly anon, just seek help and when youre better have a go at real relationship with a real woman
>>69134601
Don't read it if you wanna keep the surprise of the shocking twist, it might ruin the experience
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9p89jk37yrp9mld/THE%20NEON%20DEMON%281%29.pdf?dl=0
Because it'spart of that formula all horror movies follow now even if they joke about following it
>>69134774
come off it. you've got your beliefs, you spend your time complaining about women on the internet. I have no desire to "discuss" with you. I don't fucking owe you a discussion.
>>69134774
>all women only enjoy bring slapped around and choked guys
>you think im wrong? look at this shitty clickbait tier article from some random shit website
Wow great 'discussion'
>>69134837
I'm too lazy to read a post more than 5 lines long; do you really think I'm gonna read that?
Spoil away. Spoil like there is no tomorrow.
>>69134837
cheers anon.I tell myself Im only gonna read half-way but if its too good to stop reading I wont be able to stop myself
>>69134895
>Spoil away.
welp thats my que to leave the thread
>>69134890
How many women have you had sex with?
>>69134825
As opposed to a fake woman and a fake relationship?
>>69134895Photographer Jack is played by skinny guy from Dexter. Older, model gang leader Sarah is played by Abbey Lee.
Sarah is getting older and is in love with the photographer - the one who validates youth and beauty -, who ignores her as he keeps working with the fresh new talents, ie Elle who's new in town, 'the only virgin in L.A.'.
1st half introduces the various girls. Girls talking about beauty, gossiping, dealing with modeling agency, a photographer's in love with Elle, she does her first nude photoshoot.... Jesse befriends Ruby.
Jesse hurts her hand. Sarah tries to lick the blood, Jesse freaks out.
Ruby/Jena seduces Jesse/Elle. They have lesbian sex.
The main girls are at a restaurant discussing what they're gonna eat, meanwhile Jesse is relaxing alone at a big remote house on the hills. She wants to go swimming but the pool is empty. Someone's in the house trying to get her, generic horror chase around the house as she realizes the girls are trying to kill her.
Ruby shows up to help Jesse escape, Jesse feels relieved but in the end Jesse realizes she's in on it. She gets pushed into the empty pool and breaks her leg. They kill her.
The girls clean up the murder and eat Jesse's body -off screen- one of them starts vomiting Jesse's eye out and another picks it up and eats it again, it's all vey awkwad and gore and sexual at the same time, they shower together coverd in blood, you can see that bit in the trailer. Some of them start feeling weird, develop werid hunger urges, start washing their hands obsessively, etc.
Ruby starts freaking out out of guilt and making a scene, Sarah slits her throat.
I think it's implied the other one gets murdered off screen as well.
Afterwards, Bella Heathcote's character Gigi goes to the hospital, feeling sick and hearing Elle inside her head. She rips her tits out and open her stomach until guts fall off.
In the end Sarah gets away with the murder and Jack accepts to go on a date with her.
>>69134843
>post-80s filmgoers and filmmakers see tropes and patterns even when there isn't really any to be seen
>fimmakers make their movies following that arbitrary pattern
>the "trope" is now real
>>69134937
if thats true, thats really sad, anon. but honestly, i hope you get help, and get better
>>69134503
>Specifically 10 Little Niggers/10 Little Indians/And Then There Where None.
Which was written by... a woman. Food4Thoughts
>>69134993
I'm not the same guy you idiot
>>69135032
I wonder how she would feel about one of her book being the template for a specific genre of movies.
Speaking of ATTWN, the new version that was on tv sucked hard. It had no soul at all.
>>69133367
Not really, we have a instinct to care for women, since they're weak that can't survive without us.
I've never thought about physically protecting a woman, only helping her emotionally.
But, sure, crush the "patriarchy", I wouldn't mind as long as it doesn't affect me, i'd have less crybaby women around me and be more free.
>>69135035
You are now!
You've just been... LYNCH'D!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXrjMaVoTy0
>>69135035
i dont care who you are, but if you are having a fake relationship, with a fake woman i hope you get help, and get better....and maybe improve your reading comprehension while youre at it, retard
>>69135130
>more feminism means less cry baby women
Is this a joke or are you fucking retarded?
>>69134156
Responding to show appreciation for the thought and depth you took into writing this response. Good work, anon!
>>69135210
>le reading comprehension meme
>calling me retarded when you're too autistic to tell i was taking the piss out of you for saying 'real' relationship and 'real' woman
kys
>>69134568
In a free society, women cheating is nothing new.
Women have advantages in sex(in our current society), you don't even need proof for getting raped.
In terms of nature men are supposed to keep females in check, or fight over her(if it's worth it).
>>69132389
>>69135310
He's goofy though. Comedy-based horror often features male characters, not females.
>>69135272
reading comprehension isnt a meme, anon.
>"i-i was only pretending to be retarded"
now thats a meme
>>69135216
My point was, the more feminism, the shittier things become. If men accept a feministic society, all women will go into regret, there will be no men there for them. Women are more reliant on men than vice-versa. There's a reason women over 35 are more hungry than men, and are two times less likely single.
tl;dr: Women don't understand logic.
>>69135395
Like I said, kys
>>69135469
kool meem
It goes back a long way. Many popular horror stories and books had women as protag/co-protag. Some of those were adapted to film very early in the history of cinema (Phantom of the Opera is a prime example and was very influencial.)
people care about women more than men. that's all it is. makes it more compelling to see a woman in danger
If we talk slashers exclusively, it's because the first and most popular ones had a female "MC" (horrors are more of an ensemble cast movie most of the times though. The surviving MC is usually incidental). There was not a concious effort to make it that way though.
Psycho
Halloween
Friday the 13th
Texas Chainsaw
>>69132389
Because men aren't afraid of ghosts, you fag.
>>69132389
What is up with fucking /tv/ constantly whining about having to look at women in movies?
Is it that you're a homosex, OP?
Or are you just autistic?
>>69136053
It's just a meme, don't worry. It's only to make the SJW nufags go away. Nobody really believe this shit. We just pretend like we're as obsessed as the hardcore feminazis are.
tbphwyOP I'd prefer all movies be exclusively women. Even male roles. Just slap a mustache on a qt. Dudes are the fucking worst.
>>69132389
Because most horrors are based on the writer/director (typically male) taking out their anger on women and teaching them lessons through the film. Hence all the common tropes. Have sex? Die. Be popular? Die. Be athletic? Dead.
Most horrors are, at their base, revenge fantasies. That latter 90s introduced subversions of this like Scream, though, and the upswell of self-aware horror movies.
>>69132389
>image.jpg
>>69136775
> It's only to make the SJW nufags go away.
Except it's something of a "nufag" maymay. It's the new wave of virginal rule 2 violators constantly whining about it, and it was largely started because of Star Wars triggering the ant-SJW SJWfags. And it's clear that it's not make pretend to a lot of the dipshits here. I've repeatedly seen people unironically complain about not being able to relate to a female protagonist or not being able to suspend disbelief when a woman do impossible movie bullshit that nobody can do.
>>69136053
What the fuck is going on in that webm?
>>69132389
>1408
>The Evil Dead
>Insidious
>Saw
>The Cottage
>Hatchet
Im not saying it's not a rule but there are plenty of exceptions
Men have a physical advantage over women so having a female Mc makes the antagonist feel like more of a threat.
>>69137243
EVERY TIME! I'll quit posting that webm when people quit axing about it. It's the eternal lillypost.she has an earlobe fetish and was kind of an autist as a kid
![51ybYkbLMBL._SX940_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M3jesls.jpg "51ybYkbLMBL._SX940_[1].jpg")
>>69132472
and when they do try a slasher film with a male lead...
>>69132600
We only saw them after she was old and had a couple of kids. Her prime years tits were probably top tier.
>>69137084
You're an idiot.
>>69137166
You must be autistic if you think people are serious about it.
they are LITERALLY more attractive then men, but also they are very vulnerable. you ever see a girl try to open a stuck jar or set the time on a car radio? now imagine they are using that same level of intelligence and dexterity to escape a murderer.
>>69137847
Excellent retort. It's 100% true and you know it. There's a reason movies like Scream and CitW make fun of those tropes.
>>69137878
Jesus how much of a newfag are you m8? MAYBE 40% of the anti-women REEEEing is ironic. There are daily threads filled to the brim with dipshits that are legitimately upset that Star Wars has 2 different female protagonists now.
/pol/ used to ironically hate jews, then the next wave of kids didn't really get the joke and started unironically parroting nazis. /tv/ use to occasionally ironically shitpost about women, now it's a constant maymay that most of the fa/tv/irgins are serious as fuck about.
>>69138144
Those "tropes" are a thing BECAUSE of a parody movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Bodies
>>69138191
whose hand is that?
>>69138191
So, what you're saying is that you ARE autistic...
>>69138191
*felch*
>>69138267
>>69138241
her handler
Real question is, how come it's so rare for female characters to get shot in the goddamn face?
