Tony did nothing wrong.
Not even meming, he literally did nothing wrong.
>>69055145
>tony did nothing
fixed.
>>69055145
>GUYS WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE RULES, YOU GUYS
>WANDA YOU ARE UNDER HOUSE ARREST BECAUSE I SAY SO
>GUYS YOU GOTTA DO WHAT THE GUY WHO WANTED TO KILL HULK SAYS
>GUYS YOU GOTTA SURRENDER
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>HEY GUYS I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE BAD GUY
>IM HERE ILLEGALLY LULZ
>LETS SOLVE THIS ILLEGALLY
This movie made no sense.
>>69055263
spotted DC, cry more about your 27, this movie gets 100% for a reason, it's great
>>69055350
Your syntax and grammar are atrocious. Spotted the 18 year old Marvelite.
>>69055350
Nice non argument
Supporting the Accords out of guilt is wrong.
This movie should be called "Captain Ameriquips: Failure to Communicate"
>>69055145
Cap spent his last stand alone movie uncovering the fact that SHIELD was being used and manipulated by bad guys at the top level.
Tony's idea was to work for yet another government institution that decided where and when they should use their powers.
Cap, rightfully, didn't trust these pricks. The only bit I didn't like of the film was how Tony wouldn't listen to Cap about Bucky being innocent and framed by somebody
>>69055364
>>69055369
better than BvS, remember that DCuckc, more people will go watch it, better score on tomatoes, therefore /tv/ will love it even more
>>69055463
Noone is talking about BvS.
>>69055463
Okay, bait or not, you can stop. Not like Civil war was a perfect movie
>>69055145
No one really did nothing wrong.
>>69055145
>wanting to be a lapdog to the UN
don't make me laugh.
>>69055496
>>69055518
Civil war is a lot better than BvS, every marvel movie is better and more entertaining than anything from DC.
>>69055463
Cool buzzword. I see we don't call people the R word anymore.
>>69055581
For you.
>>69055145
Yeah he did nothing wrong if you're 15 and have never read a history book in your life. This is the thing about stark, he's a genius a some things and a literal retard at human history and society. Cap brings up very obvious and well know points about central control and how it's dangerous. Basically stark is a socialist and Cap is an anarchist (in the correct term of the word) All death, destruction and genocide has always come from the left wing every time because the left wing is collectivism and the right wing is individualism.
>>69055757
>the right wing is individualism
>>>/pol/
>>69055757
If you're Team Stark when you're young, you have no heart.
If you're Team Cap when you're an adult, you have no brain.
>>69055263
>what is plot development
remember when cape shit threads were ignored?
>>69055817
>Hydra at literally every level of government
>yeah we should put ourselves in the hands of the UN
>>69055852
>no brain confirmed
Captain America: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I can do those things, because I'm not a hero. I don't deserve this shield.
Iron Man: No, you can't! You're not!
Cap: I'm whatever the Accords needs me to be. Call it in.
Tony: They'll hunt you.
Cap: You'll hunt me. You'll condemn me, set the dogs on me, because it's what needs to happen. Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more.. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.
Peter Parker: Cap? Cap! Why is he running, Mr. Stark?
Tony: Because we have to chase him.
Parker: He didn't do anything wrong.
Tony: Because, he's the hero the Avengers deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a proud patriot. A watchful protector. The First Avenger.
>>69055863
>8.6
what the fuck
>Cap thinks it's okay to bring violence and weapons to sovereign nations acting on hiw own authority
They basically just traveled around and fucked shit up and then left. They entered other countries with powerful weapons and destructive super powers without approval of any kind. Cap is a retard if he thinks he can just police the globe with impunity.
>>69055145
He made ultron.
He should have been in that underwater jail in the start of the movie. It looked like he didn't take responsibility for that and it's fucked up. Do they even know that Stark created ultron?
>hey guys I kinda made this mistake that killed hundreds of people even though you all have been constantly opposing it and warning against it
>It was OUR fault. WE should be put under control
>Oh and Wanda, you are a degenerate killing machine you need to be kept away form society. you don't even deserve a visa lol
wtf
Captain America spends his whole life trying to join the fucking army, then decides taking orders isn't for him. What a fucking joker, huh?
>>69055145
>says he will sign the accords because he feels guilty
>makes his case that they probably should answer to someone, not one goverment but 160 states
>Black Widow actually agreeing saying one hand on the wheel is better than none
>tries to save team Cap because he thought they could bring them in without hurting anyone
>tries to reason with Cap that he just doing the whole thing because he doesn't want to break up the Avengers and wants them continue as a team
>finds out about Zemo, is going alone to warn Cap
>finally finds out that his parents got killed by a guy standing next to him
>Cap knew all along
>his father always loved Cap and now Cap didn't even tell him about the murder
>snap like Zods neck
;_; being Tony Stark is suffering
>>69056744
>muhh Bucky
>Rhodes
>A career military man
>signs the accords
>Black widow
>super spy
>Signs the accords
>Fucking vision
>worth enough to weild mjollnir
>signs the accords
How can you really argue with fucking widow and vision thinking they need some over sight.
>>69056460
the events that trigger the accords were indeed Wandas mistake, because she killed people from Wakanda and they pushed acutally the most for the accords
Tony just played along because he was agreeing with it, he didn't push for the accords to be made
>>69055933
love this
>max rep
>>69055145
Except for losing his shit because the guy he just found out got programmed to kill people on command that he showed up alone to apologize to for doubting just happened to have been programmed to kill his parents. That was the only real bugaboo about Tony's behavior to me: he KNOWS Bucky was a tool, even calls him out on it directly not even five minutes before Zemo's reveal (Manchurian Candidate, remember?) and he just loses all his fucking marbles at this sudden revelation? Everything else made logical albeit uninformed sense; that sudden shift in mindset didn't, especially since in none of the Iron Man films did Tony express any sort of connection of that magnitude about his mother, it was always his dad he mentioned and bitched about.
>>69056744
>then decides taking orders isn't for him
This isn't a new development for him, in the original Captain America movie he disobeyed orders repeatedly
>>69056203
>expecting Captain America to not try to police the world
Spoiler me bros
>>69057119It's pretty good
>"I was wrong about you. The world was wrong about you"
>Not being said over Cap's corpse
Feels bad.
>>69056946
Vision, if he were worthy, would have told Wanda straight up that she was being kept under house arrest.
Honesty is a pretty big part of the "worthy" thing and Vision decided that lying is just fine.
>>69057119
the bad guy won
>>69057298
Original civil war was so fucking bad
>>69056946
Vision was worthy because he was literally a newborn.
>>69056946
Vision wasn't worthy, he was just a newborn and pure of heart or some gay shit. and that's why I would never listen to Vision; he's both omnipotent and he has the naivety of a child.
>>69055581
Once again, no one's talking about BvS. I agree that I enjoyed Civil War more, but you're being fucking weird.
>>69055863
That's a fucked up way to be.
If civil war was written by joss whedon
>woah, you killed my parents? huh. Now I'm starting to feel like that gloomy guy in the bat suit. Wew. You're gonna get the old knuckle sandwich now, bucko. bucker? Whoever you are, you ain't getting a piece of my shwarma!
[CUT TO OUTSIDE]
>I tell ya what, tin man, that old building falling on my family was a kick in the head. But it's all coming up roses now with tweedle dee and tweedle dum kicking butt in there. But, I gotta blow my head off now. Catch ya on the flipside, c3po.
>YOU JUST STARTED A CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR
>>69056744
The last people he took orders from turned out to be planning the murder of potentially thousands if not millions of innocent people.
>>69055145
Honestly, this movie was okay. Wasn't great.
The humour when they were all fighting really made the movie imo. Spiderman bants and Antman made it worth it.
I was expecting the movie to be a lot more serious and for black ironman to actually die but I guess not.
Are the comics different? Do they actually kill eachother or what?
>>69057626
Comics are a bit more serious with higher stakes, people defecting, Avengers disbanding and Cap getting killed. Bucky takes over as Cap.
>>69057626
they fight for a completely different reason and tony is a huge dick
this one was done much better
>>69057520
Really? Jesus Christ.
>>69057663
>>69057672
Comic version sounds better to be honest
>>69055460
I thought it was more he wanted Bucky brought in, because if Steve didn't stop trying to free Bucky, the avengers were going to get broken up regardless of Bucky's innocence or guilt. After he had actually proof, he first went to Ross to give him the ok to go help, but Ross wanted none of it at that point (because he hates them all anyway), so that's when he decided to help Cap off the books.
Was all fairly straight forward as far as I'm concerned
>>69055757
> he wants to control people
> SOCIALIST
>>69055145
It was a bold choice to have Captain America been the supervillian of his own movie.
Seriously, Civil War was such shit. Should have called it Iron Man 4 and had Tony beat the shit out of Cap and Bucky at the end as he was doing before asspulls and I'd have been alright with it. Pic related, it's "based" Russo brothers and Marvelfags at the moment.
>>69055818
Absent from this 'movie'
>Bring Ross back
>Even though we'll never get another Hulk movie
>No Leader even though he was set up
>No Hulk getting sent to space and fucking shit up
>No Red Hulk
>>69057119
It's shit
>>69055757
>allowing people who can LITERALLY raze cities in seconds to roam free with not regard to international borders is okay because central control is bad
Not to mention that 90% of the Avengers are American citizens going all around the world blowing up buildings.
But hey, that's okay because they're the good guys xD.
Tony was right, the Avengers need supervision and someone to answer to when things go south.
And Tony himself said that they can amend the shit out of the Accords after a while, but at that moment, there was too much pressure for it.
>>69057931
it was the better desicion, they need Iron Man money to top TWS box office and they didn't know that BvS would suck so much
>>69055852
Hydra is literally gone.
There is no Hydra as an organization anymore, it was either destroyed by the Avengers when they were looking for Loki's scepter between The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron, or destroyed by the ATCU lead by General Talbot if you want to count Agents of Shit as canon to the MCU.
And Cap wasn't talking about Hydra specifically in that scene, but about natural changes in government politics over the years.Retard.
>>69058125
>AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
Those guys were Team America after Shield bite the dust.
>>69058204
Batman v Superman was a hell of a lot better than this
>>69058237
for you
but not for the masses
>>69055581
Jesus Christ fanboyism is retarded.
>>69058258
For
>>69057726
It really isn't, and anyone who tells you it is probably started reading Marvel comics when Civil War happened
>>69058208
>HYDRA is gone
What about the agents who got their hands on the Yellowjacket?
>>69058326
I'm not saying there aren't any singular agents or small groups of agents, but Hydra as a singular entity working for a common goal is gone.
>>69056946
he was worthy when he was first created and had no knowledge or experience
i would imagine given how he's developing he wouldn't be worthy anymore
>>69057726
The premise and spectacle is good but it had the worst execution possible.
>>69055818
This would be a good point, but we're talkign about whether he was right or wrong from an argumentative sense.
>>69058125
> the Avengers need supervision and someone to answer to when things go south.
yeah captain america's experience in winter soldier is exactly why he's opposed to the accords though. they had too much power in one government organization and they proved corruptible. steve is opposed to giving another organization just as much power because hes lost faith in them. which i guess you couldnt blame him for. meanwhile tony is on a mad guilt trip for innocent deaths.
>>69057931
SALTY
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>>69058560
i think everyone can understand wher he is coming from, but it was not one government it was united nations and they never showed steve even doubting his stubbornness at least for a little, that's why he came along like an unreasonable teenager
>>69058560
>yeah captain america's experience in winter soldier is exactly why he's opposed to the accords though
Well, yeah.
I can understand why Tony and Cap both feel like they do about the Accords.
But the fact is, the Accords isn't enforced by just one single organization, but 117 governments.
Infiltrating SHIELD was easy for Hydra because they were there from the very beginning.
Infiltrating 117 countries is a lot harder, especially when pretty much everything concerning HYDRA was leaked to the public by Widow.
Of course, the Accords as they are currently in the MCU will be bogged down by needless bureaucracy.
But they do need supervision and accountability.
>>69058644
>government coworkers repeatedly try to kill him
>government built murder machines nearly wipe out half the population of washington
>drone strike nearly kills you while government funded insane nazi AI explains how it is going to take over the country
>the one leader you trust is nearly killed by corrupt insiders
>everyone around you turns out to be double/triple agent
ya totally unreasonable that he might be tired of big organizations that keep secrects from him and act on their own agenda
>>69058741
>Captain America: We must stop Zemo
>Ross: No, we must catch you because the UN has decided it
That´s the problem
>>69055757
Is this why Republicans always dump money into the "defense" fund,, and red states always stress the importance of MUH GUNZ?
>>69058998
>things that never happened
Cap found out about Zemo only after he was already a wanted criminal.
The UN wanted Cap arrested because HE BEAT UP A BUNCH OF COPS WHILE DEFENDING THE PRIME SUSPECT IN A TERRORIST ATTACK.
Pro-tip:No one was right or "did nothing wrong" in Civil War
Anyone have the pic where some girl on facebook is talking shit about Cap America for being patriotic
>>69057029
Probably since Cap knew and did nothing. The same Cap who, as Tony said in Avengers, his dad "Wouldn't shut up about."
>>69057119
Punished Wanda cause you couldn't protect her smile
>>69059768
>talking shit about Cap America for being patriotic
Haven't seen it but I'm guessing she is either, a SJW, feminist, some sort of immigrant, BLM activist or underage
>>69061464
She'd have to be to think Cap was a patriot.
>>69055145
He did literally everything wrong, his bullshit in AOU is the reason this is even happening.
>>69057726
It is, only Tonyplebs think the CW comic sucks because it made their shitty alcoholic hero look evil.
>>69057029
he killed his parents and cap knew
it was not a rational reaction, it was an emotional one
>>69060740
He said something along those lines in Civil War too.
>>69061740
nah,watch the movie its because Wanda blew up a hospital
>>69058741
it is not 117 nations that will decide
its the 5 most powerful ones, like we have in UN today
the only opinions that actually matter in the decision making are the ones in the permanent seats
>Avengers comes out
>everyone feels sorry for Tony and think Cap's an asshole for being mean to him
>Winter Soldier comes out
>everyone realizes Cap had a far worse life and now retroactively hate Tony for his insensitive quips in Avengers
>Age of Ultron comes out
>everyone still hates Tony for being a dumb asshole and basically the villain
>CW comes out
>bawwwww muh poor Tony, he has the worst life out of everyone in the entire MCU and dindu nuffin wrong ever
The fans of these movies are literally retarded and have the attention span of a 2 year old.
>>69061933
>made Ultron
Eat a dick.
>>69062221
no one cared about this shithole Sarkovia, the accords were made when they screwed up in Lagos
>>69056867
Tony "Stank" right ?
BvS is shit dcuck.
>>69057470
>I agree that I enjoyed Civil War
this so much, DCucks BTFO, marvel is better, their humorous approach and colorful vibe is far better than being edgy, sad, brutal, and gray
>>69057930
That's how it works son.
>>69062386
>no one cared about this shithole Sarkovia,
Not that other anon but people did care about Sokovia (Zemo being one of them). The screw up in Lagos was just the last straw for the UN, Ross and the US Government to implement the...wait for it...SOKOVIA ACCORDS.
>>69057930
thats right commie
>>69058125
And while another threat is destroying New York again... "D....Do we have permission to go?"
>my hands are dirty
>So was I.
what did tony mean by this?
>>69055817
..wut.
kids have no brain and adults have no heart.
>>69055443
Why? Was it all just a big misunderstanding?
what will happen to that blonde nonsuper powered qt?
she will rott in that underwater cell for stealing the shield.
>introduce Crossbones
>kill him within 10 minutes
Bravo.
>>69055463
Let's be honest, /tv/ will like it until it realizes "oh wait...we're supposed to be shitposting". 20 threads saying "what went wrong" or "after all the dust has settled let's admit it's bad" will appear.
>>69055686
You seem like a large fellow
>>69055933
THAT would have been the best after credits scene
>>69065663
Was this your plan all along?
