I need an answer. Something is genuinely wrong with this man and I think the only way he's able to actually communicate with us that he's in pain is through his movie. His movies are like watching 2-3 hours of self destruction in action
Suckerpunch should have been Hollywood's first clue that Zack has some kind of mental illness that is making him behave like this. Is there some kind of running joke in Hollywood where Hollywood gives Snyder all this money and creative freedom because they enjoy watching him fail?
Why are we encouraging a man who honestly needs some serious reconditionment training right now
>>68925833
He fell for the objectivism meme
>>68925833
Funny how nobody asks this of Micheal Bay, who managed to make one good movie his whole career and that was his first.
>waits for some faggots to defend Bayformers.
>>68925834
What the fuck does that even mean? Have you watched Suckerpunch...that movie has no reason to exist its literally Frustration the movie
Synder literally wrote a movie designed to make people frustrated. Its like the entire idea was created because of late night coke binging then hysterically screaming at people how massive his cock was and they needed to know this.
>>68925835
Transformer 1 was a great attempt...then he ran it into the ground.
Bay even admits he fucking hates how people keep calling him to make more Transformers and TMNT movies because he wants the world to believe he is a "serious" actor
Unfortunately Transformers 4 made over a Billion dollars...that's hardly a failure.
I don't know maybe i am tired of fucking seeing daily Snyder threads. I am starting to think most of you are actually fans, maybe that's why you're on his dick so hard
>>68925838
No I am asking because Suckerpunch is an objectively bad movie that he created and no one in Hollywood thought "hey maybe Synder isn't that great of a writer"
No. They hired him and kept him around in DC studios thinking nothing can go wrong
I am not mad at BvS i'm mad that Synder doesn't understand that he needs serious counseling.
>>68925836
>What the fuck does that even mean?
It means he's a believer in Ayn Rand's garbage.
Atlas Shrugged is a good novel, but you need to be an absolutely brain-dead narcissist to actually subscribe to her morally bankrupt philosophy.
>>68925837
Bay couldn't direct an action scene to save his fucking life and since he makes action movies that's kind of a big deal. When filming an action scene it's always good for it to be coherent as so the audience can actually see what the fuck is going on. All the Bayformers movies have is a bunch of confusing pieces of jacked metal moving around in very quick cuts and shit editing that occasionally slows down for an action money shot.
>>68925837
>Unfortunately Transformers 4 made over a Billion dollars...that's hardly a failure.
How!? Why!?
It was so...BAD. WTF?
>>68925841
The Rock was good. I think CG made him indulgent.
>>68925840
I've never read that book in fact I have never even seen that book in my life because I have gone to both ghetto high schools and colleges.
What's so special about that book?
>>68925839
DC needs to literally fucking CONTROL Snyder, not give him control. Said this before and i will say it again, Snyder is one of those directors that have to be reigned in. Again i will use Lucas as an example. With Episode 4 he had people telling him what worked and what did not,( even then some dumb shit seeped in ROTJ) when the prequels came around and he didn't have these people, well you see what happened.
>>68925841
>>68925842
You'd be surprised how little the normie audience gives a shit about plot structure they came for tiddies and explosions
Hence why Avengers 1 is their favorite movie.
>>68925843
Yup! His best work. It still has the Bay-isms he is known for but it was dialed back a lot more.
>>68925845
Zack Synder is the Vince McMahon of the Hollywood Directing world. He needs a Paul Heyman to bring him back down to reality and keep him settle before he lets his erection make decisions for him.
>>68925847
I never knew Nicholas Cage and Sean Connery would be great together.
This was when everyone in Hollywood wanted Nick Cage in their film until Nick went crazy and started buying Island and knives made of mammoth tusk.
>>68925840
>Atlas Shrugged is a good novel
It's not a good novel, in fact that's the greatest criticism for it, unless you believe in objectivism the book is worthless
>>68925849
>islands and mammoth tusk knives
Maybe the cage is preparing for a drug kingpin role?
>>68925835
Everyone has gotten tired of wishing Bay would go away.
There's nothing wrong with him. He's a good director who has to work with that worthless kike Goyer's awful scripts.
>Marvelfags pretending to have taste
Go back to your quipshit.
>>68925850
Seriously what the fuck is this book even about wasn't it written in the 1920's?
>>68925851
>Implying National Treasure 3 won't be the hypest shit.
>>68925855
>Seriously what the fuck is this book even about wasn't it written in the 1920's?
Read it or a wiki, I won't spoonfeed you. It's an interesting read, it's just not very good.
>>68925854
>Defending Man of Murder and Balls vs Semen
>>68925853
Care to elaborate on this or are you gonna go full /pol/ and say "Jews ruin everything"
>>68925856
Fuck no I don't care that much to look up a book that might objectively be bad.
>>68925857
Goyer is an awful writer who is Jewish. Don't think I need to elaborate.
>>68925843
Same could be said of Snyder. Dawn of The Dead was decent. Then 300 happened. Everything since has been coated with that weird layer of Vaseline covered slow mo.
>>68925835
That's becuase Michael Bay is at least self-aware and not stuck up his own ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj9yt1M7S-8
>>68925859
Wow that some detailed analysis there why don't you elaborate a little more and stop using /pol/ as an excuse
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>>68925861
Why did Synder feel obligated to make a sequel to 300 when 300 has aged like horseshit?
>>68925858
Might be a good choice, also I have no idea what that other guy who brought up the book is talking about, I don't see any relation with that book and this movie but whatever.
>>68925858
The author was a jew that got forced out of the USSR because her parents were landowners so it's about a group of rich people that hide from the U.S in a mansion after poor people take over and force the rich to give up their money
>>68925863
>>68925864
So what you're saying is this book is about rich people complaining that poor people are subhuman and they need to learn their place
Is this Bernie Sanders the book?
>>68925862
You're the one who brought up the /pol/ boogeyman, Horowitz.
>>68925865
No it's a criticism of communism but the characters in it are morally bankrupt
>>68925866
You're not even trying to be intelligent right now besides hating on him for being Jewish which is something /pol/ would do what is wrong with Goyer
>>68925867
So its an Anti-Communist book? Then its Donald Trump's favorite book then.
>>68925835
Bay makes billions. The people who go to watch the Transformers movies get what they came for - giant robots destroying each other and lowbrow frat humor with plenty of military porn- They aren't setting themselves up to be more than what they are. Snyder was talking about BvS is if it was the finest piece of kino art conceived in decades.
>>68925865
Just play through Bioshock, it's a much better story.When a videogame's story improves on a book, you know you have a shitty book.
>>68925869
Possibly
>>68925848
The analogy is Vince Russo who needs a Vince McMahon. Vince doesn't listen to Jews.
>>68925835
Film academics love Bay as an example of what they call a 'trash auteur'. They claim he presents a visual consistency in his movies, and many of his shots are supposedly technically impressive. Personally, I can't see it.
Snyder is a more interesting case, because he writes all of his stuff himself. In his adaptations(Dawn of the Dead, Watchmen, 300), things are just dumbed down across the board. You get the sense that he failed to grasp what the original works were all about. Watchmen may be largely true to the source in terms of following the same story beats, but it's like Snyder likes the alleyway fights and his signature slo-mo more than all of the stuff that actually made the comic unique. Same with DotD- individual dynamics and social commentary are forsaken in favor of running zombies and radical chainsaw action.
As for the things he actually wrote himself, this is where Snyder becomes an enigma. Sucker Punch can only be the product of a deranged mind. That it actually got produced and released the way it is is a mystery for the ages.
The man is just perpetually stuck in an adolescent frame of mind. Really, when you look at pretty much every film of his, you get the feeling that this is what a 14 year old would make with his source material. Radical chainsaw action in DotD, Spartan homoeroticism in 300(to be fair, this is kind of a given, but he went all-in on it), awesome machine gun babes fighting dragons and Nazis in Sucker Punch, awesome superhero fights in Watchmen etc.
This is the difference between Snyder and Bay: Bay makes movies for idiots, Snyder is an idiot himself.
>>68925833
He's like George Lucas. He wants control but he doesn't know what the fuck to do with it.
>>68925834
>the objectivism meme
Way to let evil leftists win, you spineless parasite.
>>68925874
>), awesome machine gun babes fighting dragons and Nazis in Sucker Punch
And he STILL managed to fuck it up.
>>68925835
>who managed to make one good movie his whole career
The Rock and Bad Boys 1 are both good anon.
>>68925871
> Bioshock
> Atas Shrugged
It's not an adaptation, it's a full on critique and even somewhat parody of the book.
The point of the game's story is that the ideal society proposed by the book is impossible and foolishly idealistic.
>>68925841
i thought bay was meant to be the master of paning
>>68925878
Con Air as well.
>>68925877
Yeah, well, I was being sarcastic there. These concepts may sound appealing when you read about them in some retarded "Cyborgs and Dinosaurs fight against pirates and ninjas?!?! TAKE ALL MY MONIEZ" Facebook posts, but they almost invariably end up being terrible.
>>68925879
>It's not an adaptation, it's a full on critique and even somewhat parody of the book.
I know, and it's a better story than AS. What I'm trying to say is that AS is just plain shit.
>>68925833
>Hey U Guystook the opportunity to askSupermanreboot director Zack Snyder how his take onSupermanfit in with the planning onJustice League (2013).Snyder responded: “It doesn’t. Like what Chris Nolan is doing and what I’m doing with Superman, what they’ll do withJustice Leaguewill be it’s own thing with it’s own Batman and own Superman. We’ll be over here with our movie and they’ll kinda get to do it twice which is kinda cool.”
From the sound of it, he wasn't supposed to make Justice League and just wanted to do his own thing. Warner Bros kinda threw him in the fire and now he's just pushing buttons randomly. He needs to be taken out
>>68925868
>what is wrong with Goyer
He's a hack.
so.. thread theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD7EKZ32ODQ
Funny how supposed Randian Snyder made Rorschach into more of a Mr A type of hero in his film after Moore made Rorschach as a parody of Ditko's Question and Mr. A.
>>68925854
>Snyderverse
>taste
>>68925885
> Goyer
>>68925877
i disagree
although thinking about it he probably had to many cuts in the trench fighting scenes
>>68925853
>He's a good director
Which is why he has one good movie.
>>68925873
>Vince Russo and Vince McMahon not too heads of the same crooked coin
WCW supporters need to stop believing Kevin Nash drew butts in seats
>>68925845
You really think they gave Snyder full reign on BVS like he didn't have people above him calling the shots on the movie?
I think it's a little bit of both that Snyder doesn't know what he's doing but neither do the studio heads at WB either.
>>68925878
>implying Bad Boys 2 isn't a masterpiece
>>68925887
I'll gladly admit Marvel is light fare and a bunch of somewhat shoddy films. At least they don't pretend to be some high brow cinema with deep philosophy like Snyder's garbage pretends to be.
At least Marvel films know they are superhero films for kids and sell them toys and cereal, not some art house deconstruction of a genre.
A Batman and Superman movie shouldn't be Watchmen or Miracleman.
Snyder is fucking retarded to think his film should be or thinks it comes anywhere as close as those decades old comics that do just that.
>>68925885
How. Examples I need them.
>>68925845
Basically this. Lucas had Spielberg with Indiana Jones and all the people on the original trilogy of Star Wars...and even RotJ he had too much reign and gave us Ewoks.
Snyder actually makes beautiful looking movies. Like they have a lot of great visual style and even without the action still just feel fantastic to see. But his ability to properly put together a plot leaves a lot to be desired. Im very curious about the Directors cut of BvS because while I liked the movie, it had a lot of flaws.
I actually love man of steel though, easily one of my favorite superhero movies. But still, I get why people don't enjoy it. I really think he'd benefit from a co director.
>>68925881
That wasn't directed by Michael Bay
>>68925871
>>68925879
I keep thinking about replaying the trilogy. Might be time.
>>68925874
>trash auteur
>google the term
>find this on the first page
kek
>>68925898
I keep meaning to finish the return to Rapture DLC. Finished the first chapter when it came out and never got back to it once the others came out.
>>68925897
It wasn't? Well shit. Definitely fooled me.
>>68925891
>WCW supporters need to stop believing Kevin Nash drew butts in seats
>implying Kevin Nash wasn't a draw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VU9_eAHQ0o
All we need is the constant RLM dickriding and /co/ will be the same as /tv/.
>>68925903
Nope. Needs more Pedophilic comm...oh wait I forgot /co/ wants to fuck loli's and shotas but only when they're 2D
>>68925902
Kevin "Memes" Nash is not a draw. That's like saying there exists moments where Flair and Hall aren't sober.
>>68925904
>oh wait I forgot 4chan wants to fuck loli's and shotas but only when they're 2D
FTFY
>>68925904
>That's like saying there exists moments where Flair and Hall aren't sober.
I'm guessing you mean during WCW's time since Scott Hall has turned things around and has extended lengths of sobriety.
Also I was being sarcastic, which I thought was obvious by including the Mike Graham video
>>68925905
/pol/ mentions this often but I like to think its just /co/ fucking with them.
>>68925906
I refused to believe DDP Yoga fixed Scott Hall if he was fixed we'd see him hanging out with the Authority more but you can't hold Scott to not no show on important events.
>>68925908
He took bumps at Mania last year. Putting him on the road again, even just as a manager, is just going to make it harder for him to stay sober.
>>68925909
So what? Just because Scott takes a bunch of liquor and drugs doesn't mean he still can't fucking go
Vince is 70 years old and still takes roids and he looks healthy as ever
>>68925896
wait if the problems with the movie are the directors fault isent the directors cut likely to be even worse?
>>68925884
I feel like that quote was for how the DCEU fit in with the TV universe.
>>68925886
If it wasn't for his hideous beard, Alan Moore would be /fa/ as fuck
>>68925911
Putting aside the more fanboy criticisms (superman doesnt do this, batman doesnt do that, etc etc), the actual objective filmmaking centric criticisms that BvS received pertained to things like editing, pacing, character and story development.
The extra 30 minutes of BvS is supposedly pretty much entirely character and plot material along with a little bit extra action.
reinserting the missing pieces of character development, story beats and subplot resolution actually goes a long way to fiixng the actual critical faults of the film.
So chances are the DC will do a lot to make BvS a much better film, but chances are it wont change the minds of those butthurt by HOW the characters act in the film.
>>68925835
I wouldn't mind Bay's stuff if most didn't feel like they were forty minutes longer than they should be.
>>68925833
Matt and Trey had a South Park commentary where they talk about him and his style for a bit. Basically Dawn of the Dead came out and at the time it felt really fresh and cool, and he was just sort of given free reign to do anything. and then he just runs it into the ground. He's an example of one of many directors who sort of peaked with his first movie.
>>68925912
Nah it was definitely for Man of Steel.
Sauce: http://collider.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-superman/
>>68925842
None of us know, Anon. Would it surprise you to learn that Batman VS Superman actually beat Avengers 2's opening weekend?
It's insane. People are insane. The world is insane. Nothing makes any sense and we will all die screaming into the abyss.
>>68925883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U
>>68925901
That's because Simon West was basically a Bay clone in the 90's
>>68925914
You can bet that 90 percent of the reviewers that either praised, were lukewarm or out and out called it a piece of crap (a healthy number) were doing so on the basis of the story, character development, editing, pacing, etc. In fact, the pacing/editing is one of the most frequently mentioned things if you look at the top critics on RT or Metacritic. As frequently mentioned is either plot/story and/or character development in the context of the film (e.g. the story).
You can bet your like that none of them are fan boys and their familiarity with the characters is probably based, at most, on other films, and general knowledge.
So when the criticize the movie, they aren't doing so because the movie needed to be fixed by an extra 30 minutes of cutting room floor material. Additionally, it's a long movie as released.
No studio would release a 3+ hour long film, other than as part of a small, limited prestige release, as they did for the Rings Trilogy. Theaters lose money on those so won't go along with it and even Marvel couldn't get 4,000 theaters to release a 3 hour plus version of Civil War or Infinity Gems Whatever.
>>68925921
You know what would have made the movie better? Not trying to be four movies at the same time.
I didn't hate Sucker Punch. It had a lot of cool individual scenes. They never added up to a genuinely good movie but they were enjoyable enough to make it watchable.
>>68925835
false. 4 movies
Both Bad Boys, The Rock, and Armageddon are all solid films.
Although The Rock is indisputably the best.
>>68925924
Pain and Gain was really good too. For what it's worth, it's the closest thing to a Grand Theft Auto movie I ever saw.
>>68925874
>Spartan homoeroticism in 300(to be fair, this is kind of a given, but he went all-in on it)
He added more bare boobs and got rid of bare dicks.
>>68925869
Can it beat Two Corinthians?
>>68925927
I don't know, but I'm terrified at the prospect of them fighting over my eyes.
>>68925916
Dawn of the Dead was ass
>oh how are we gonna get out of the mall
>builds this plot up
>escape the mall
>everybody dies at the end
>>68925841
It kind of annoys me because the last TF film was decent for a while, enjoyable even, and then it just goes to shit like all the others.
>>68925840
>Atlas Shrugged is a good novel
No, it really isn't. It's an unrealistic, overly dramatic, unsubtle, full of long monolgues, mary sue main characters that are always right (even though they want to fucking collapse civilization), evil dumb villain that hate rich people and want to destroy the world because they hate themselves, terrible views on relationships, pretends worker abuse doesn't happen and basically says that if you don't agree with Ayn Rand 100% you deserve to die
>>68925931
>No, it really isn't. It's an unrealistic, overly dramatic, unsubtle, full of long monolgues, mary sue main characters that are always right (even though they want to fucking collapse civilization), evil dumb villain that hate rich people and want to destroy the world because they hate themselves, terrible views on relationships, pretends worker abuse doesn't happen and basically says that if you don't agree with Ayn Rand 100% you deserve to die
Sounds like the kind of stuff an autist of the scale of Snyder would like to believe.
>>68925835
But Michael Bay isn't daffy.
>>68925921
I dont think judging the film that youre given is unfair. if 30 minutes was cut out, whatever. critics are gonna judge what's in front of them. if that 30 minutes improves anything, im sure people will say so. as of now, though, the movie lacks a lot of things, and who knows if those 30 minutes give more insight or are just Zack Snyder being a pretentious douchebag
>>68925839
Well they didn't hire him as a writer. They probably thought that Goyer, Nolan and Terrio would rein in his retardedness but they underestimated Zack's dedication.
>>68925934
>evil dumb villain that hate rich people and want to destroy the world because they hate themselves
Well she was right about one thing.
>>68925845
>With Episode 4 he had people telling him what worked and what did not
It's more than that. A lot of the visuals were designed for or inspired by those of Jodorwsky's Dune, Coppola rewrote his script almost entirely, and still the movie is said to have been "saved in editing".
Episode 4 is barely Lucas' baby at all.
>>68925936
She claims that the government is composed entirely of evil idiots that hate and resent succesful people and the rich and go out of their way to sabotage them while at the same time seeking their aproval for everything they do.
That's fucking stupid. In real life the government is usually in the pocket of the rich and do whatever the rich want them to do.
And the whole "moochers just want to die because they hate themselves and everything" is an incredibly pathetic criticism of people you disagree with.
>>68925874
>They claim he presents a visual consistency in his movies, and many of his shots are supposedly technically impressive. Personally, I can't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q
>>68925842
It's not surprising when they marketed Dinobots and pandered hard to the Chinks like Iron Man 3 did.
I feel like Snyder should be a cinematographer instead of director. Or that he should direct opening montages for films.
>>68925861
He's got that going for him at least. He stated that he wanted to be more expressive and change the way he directs, but hes already to caught up in his own style.
