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Genesis of the Daleks Edition
Thoughts on this story?
Last week: >>68660262
This thread is canon.
>>68671337
Do I have the right to say it's a GOAT BOAT?
>Samuel Anderson will never spank your ass because you've been a very naughty boy
>>68671337
Best episode desu
>>68671539
>Hey Bro i’m sorry mom and dad grounded you and you cant see your Samuel Anderson. maybe i can be your Samuel Anderson tonight?
>>68671337
Being one of the few full serials I've watched, I'd say it runs a bit long with all the sub plots and filler scenes but it's still pretty GOAT
>>68672003
>Being one of the few full serials I've watched
confirmed for new who pleb
do you like your wiki article m8?
>>68672110
>confirmed for new who pleb
I guess... I'm not gonna pretend to know what I don't but I'll definitely take time this summer to watch it.
>do you like your wiki article m8?
sure... you definitely took a lot of time to format it in the way you did
Reminder that I would fuck ALL THIRTEEN!
>>68671894
>Sammi Carter
oh fuck i havent seen him in a while
Please don't change the way you make your /who/ generals, they're passing my filter.
>>68671337
Entertaining. Would've been much better as a 4-parter.
>>68672282
Good to see you Anon. Would you still want to fuck "all" of the doctors if they decide to go with the combo breaker woman doctor? How will I know you're still around if not? ;_;
>>68672351
You mean that face and those finger nails don't haunt your dreams? You lucky bastard.
>>68672430
how come many times in classic who they would make a story 6 or 7 parts if they knew they only had enough plot for 4 parts
>>68671894
DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ME YOU NAIL DEMON
>>68672351
I don't mean to burst your bubble but he's been cast as the new companion.
>>68672451
I'll bite the bullet and lesbo it up with the female Doctor.
The Capaldick has taken it's next victim.
>>68672248
>I guess... I'm not gonna pretend to know what I don't but I'll definitely take time this summer to watch it.
don't forget the based wiles era
>>68672623
Bless your heart! I like the reminders. It's like a roll call. Oh andPlz be
LONDON
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>>68672776
BRUUUHHH XDDD
>>68672776
Will he get some of that delicious Ethiop puss?
>>68672626
Is his head crooked or is it the glasses? They're a bit small too. Probably the right shape for his sputnik like head though.
>>68672776
Fuck his hair is resplendent. Like spun silver.
Reminder
>>68673051
I can't get over the fact that they look so alike. It's fate that he has a porn look alike.
>>68673130
i've found a Jenna porn lookalike (looks exactly like her), but im never sharing it. it's mine. MINE. MIIIINEEE.
>>68673220
No one cares, I'm gay. I crave the Sam cock.
>>68671337
So why is this story called Genesis of the Daleks? I'm kind of confused
>>68673051
Are there any other shots you can crop and make SFW of this guy? Sometimes in the thumbnail it looks as much like a bearded freddie mercury as it does Sam.
>>68673089
He's almost got a feminine body doesn't he?I mean this is what Belle's step mother looks like, with a different head, albeit just as unfortunate.
>>68673130
Clala has one too you know, not that you'd be particularly interested. There's a guy that looks vaguely like capaldi if you squint too
>>68672623
>Women in my /who/
Is there any salvation in sight?
>>68673263
There's almost always been women in /who/. Including some of the most talented photoshoppers.
I have to say that Samuel Anderson, even though he's anig, is pretty attractive.
He doesn't have ape-like facial features like american blacks do
>>68673246
Full Definition of genesis
plural genesesplay \-ˌsēz\
: the origin or coming into being of something
>>68673246
Because Davros is actually Phil Collins
>>68673305
Bullshit and fuck off
>>68673246
Oddly enough, because it's when Daleks are created.
>>68673251
Yes but he looks less like him in other angles.
>>68673633
MODS
>>68673658
Fuck off we can't see shit.
>>68672459
They didn't chose the number of episodes after coming up with a plot. Rather, the writer was commissioned a number of scripts and had to come up with a plot to fill them.
>>68673051
Who is this guy really?
>>68673658
We don't see his dick. It's technically SFW.
>>68673736
Danny Pink.
>Power of the Daleks
>Evil of the Daleks
>Day of the Daleks
>Planet of the Daleks
>Genesis of the Daleks
>Destiny of the Daleks
>Resurrection of the Daleks
>Revelation of the Daleks
>Remembrance of the Daleks
>Evolution of the Daleks
>Victory of the Daleks
>Asylum of the Daleks
Is there an ongoing plot with these serials like OTD trilogy or were they just lazy with the episode names?
>>68673575
I think there is at least 5 current regulars. All dedicated contributers and memers.
Funk Mofferino, the disco-ish gif was made by a femanon, and of course Granddaughter may she RIP in peace.
>fuck off
Ok. I have to start dinner anyway toodoo /who/.
>>68673633
Oh uhm that's rather suggestive and I havent even opened the thumbnail lol. Still looks very much like him. I wonder if he knows.
>>68673990
Come on Cloister don't tell me that's too gay/suggestive for you.
You either
1) Kill ur mom
2) Watch love and monsters 500 times (you cant leave your house, your pc/tv should 24/7 show love and monsters.
>>68674081
Watch Love and Monsters?
It's really not that bad
>>68673417
>>68673617
But the Daleks were created in 1963? This story is years later? Are these a different type of Dalek or something?
>>68673974
They are all about different attributes of Daleks and different events in Daleks' long and proud history.
>>68673716
>Here, make a story for 7-8 parts
>But I can only think of enough plot for maybe 3 parts... oh well I can just put in some bullshit filler
I think it was Terrance Penises who hated that shit.
>>68674118
bad b8 m8
>>68673974
>Is there an ongoing plot with these serials
have you really not seen any of them?the answer is no
>>68674072
No, I've witnessed goatse. That's nothing its kind of cute. I bet it would make Sam anderson blush surely.
>>68673990
Yeah it's almost him. You want more?
>>68674137
So just because I don't know everything about the stories it's b8ing? I'm sorry about that
>>68674176
Maybe a couple of shots that really look like him. Perhaps I'll make a collage and send it to him and ask him what he thinks of his evil twin's film career.
>>68674324
Someone's probably gonna report me though...
Don't you just wanna go REEEEEEEEEEEEE and punch people sometimes ?
Don't you just wanna go REEEEEEEEEEEEE and punch people sometimes ?
>>68673736http://www.xvideos.com/video19514767/_raw_fuck_club_owens_powers_go_go_gang_bang
>>68673385
That's because he's the best of both worlds. Black and white.
>>68674764
>>68674523
I just want to cum on his beard :(
>>68674523
Well if it's too much of a problem no worries from me, I was just having a goof. But so long as you keep it safe for work and engage in relevant discussion of doctor who and maybe sam andersons role in it, or there's mcgann or imgur links. What ever you feel like doing friend. I've got to go brown some meat if you know what i mean *wink wink*cooking
>>68674757
>>68673736
Mario Cruz.
>>68673051
>>68673130
>>68673736
>>68673769
>>68674757
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Samuel_Anderson
>>68674913
BASED
A
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E
D
He's actually Mario Cruz, Owen Power is the one who gets gang banged.
Love you anon <3
>>68673974
Not really, although Revelation and Remembrance tie into each other with the whole Dalek schism thing. It's just a tradition to go "_ of the Daleks".
This is your new companion /who/.
Missing Clala already? You should.
>>68674214
>everything
try anything.
how do you faggots watch this cringy shit? I could barely get past one episode
>>68675253
What one did you watch?
>>68672566
I've fapped to Pearl twice so far.
>>68675364
but why?
Isn't there a porn Ian Levine who real Ian Levine yelled at on twitter?
>>68674757
This is going to be an odd observation, but the (presumably auto-generated) titles on some of the related videos that come up are amusing me.
>Concupiscient homosexuals arrange a sex party
>Lascivious homosexuals arrange a sex party
>Massive chap fucks a lewd dude
>Gays go avid in a group sex play
>In nature's garb gay boys receive threatened
>>68675716
Yep.
Here's the tweet:
>https://twitter.com/IanLevine/status/447127711547662336
>>68675762
PHUCKING
KEK
>>68675757
Isn't it the same for straight porn?
>>68676046
I'm sure it is. I wouldn't know.
>>68674857
What are you cooking cloi?
>>68676279
Oh you're gay too. Welcome!
>>68676314
all doctor who fans are gays and women really
and the show was literally created by a woman and a gay
>>68676314
Every male who watches this show is either gay or closeted. Or bi at worst. There isn't a single straight male.
stop posting all this phucking porn. gonna make me break my streak reeee
>>68676433
JUST FAP ALREADY >>68674757
Plus it's a good porn desu
>tfw used to have a big strong bf who would fill me with cummiesI'm gay btw
>tfw I have been gay since the very beginning and have never, ever watched a straight porn
Why was my first porn a gay porn?
>>68676509
noo
>>68676612
>>68676608
>>68676586
>>68676509
>>68676433
>>68676404
>>68676375
>>68676314
>>68676279
This thread got gay fast.
Pearl Mackie is genuinely repulsive to look at, PHUCKING disgusting
>>68675141
It's a Brit thing. Property here in the UK is expensive enough as it is, without needing to add a fallout shelter. (Not that I think the Trumpet is a trigger happy idiot....honest)
>>68676772
Of, phuck off.
I'd phuck Pearl Mackie.
Moffat-written porno when?
>>68676807
Go phuck yourself
>>68676865
It would probably feature plenty of bananas.
>>68676946
As long as we get Sam's.
Are we gaying it up in here?
>>68677458
Yes. Let's have an orgy.
http://www.madnorwegian.com/697/books/doctor-who/queers-dig-time-lords-a-celebration-of-doctor-who-by-the-lgbtq-fans-who-love-it/
>>68678210
Why are you posting random porn? Not that it's a bad thing but be careful.
>>68676282
Uh "Sontaran Stroganoff" or Stroganoff with potatos and Telos Toast or Texas Toast
>>68676375
>>68676404
I'm pretty gay for /who/ and some anons desu senpaitachi
>>68678245
>and some anons
Who? You know what they look like? Why would you go gay for them?
>>68678241
Whoops I forgot to spoiler that shit
NEW CLASS CLIPS
NEW CLASS CLIPS
NEW CLASS CLIPShttp://www.myvidster.com/video/52038287/BIG_BRO_PART_2_COLBY_JANSEN_ZAC_STEVENS_AT_MENCOMhttp://www.myvidster.com/video/29109081/bro_lifehttp://www.myvidster.com/video/57633676/Focused_On_Work_-_429tubecom
>>68678304
I'm not going to name names, but they probably have an inkling that I've got a platonic crushes on them. I've never seen a picture. They're just pretty cool guys that's all. Would sit next to on a couch and watch /who/ with and give warm hugs when they leave. That sort of thing.
>>68678470
Fady or Greg?
>>68678470
>>68678351
Well this got out of hand (kek) pretty fast
http://www.wikihow.com/Act-Like-the-Doctor-of-Doctor-Who
>>68678470
INTERVIEWS WITH STEVEN MOFFAT AND PATRICK NESShttp://www.myvidster.com/video/56451737/Me_42y_Daddy_Seeding_a_20y_Twink_at_the_Gym_I_came_Insidehttp://www.myvidster.com/video/55845001/Colby_Keller_and_Tommy_Defendi_fuck_Chris_Porterhttp://www.myvidster.com/video/51213524/Young_Boy_And_His_First_Experience_In_A_Dark_Room
>>68678470
>>68678691
Fuck off you limp dicked faggot
>>68671337
Goater than toast.
>>68678820
Excuse me but my dick is actually quite erect.
>>68675141
Fuck off, twitanon.
DON'T GO BREAKING MY HEART
>>68679157
I WON'T GO BREAKING YOUR HEART
>>68679171
NOBODY KNOWS IT
>not liking nice Pearl
>>68679267
I've watched the clip a dozen or so times now, and looked at a few photos of her. Could it be that Doctor Who's hair and make up people don't know how to do a "POC"'s hair and make up? In photos that aren't doctor who related she looks much more photogenic.
Chronological anon here, Listening to Lost in the Wakefield Triangle.
Then Dancing the Code, Jo's time is running out.
LONG LIVE THE DEMON KING!
>>68680180
>Jo's time is running out.
How does that make you feel? Do you feel more of a connection to companions and by extension the doctors having gone through these chronologically? Do you think from your prospective that you have greater insight to the doctor who 'verse/canon or connection the characters?
>>68679013
I dunno anon, toast is pretty GOAT.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Toast
>>68671337
It was the first Classic Who serial I watched and it was fantastic. I thought it was dumb to have the Dalek trigger the wire so The Doctor didnt have to answer the tough question.
But after seeing The Witch's Familiar, I realise I much prefer that to The Doctor having his cake and eating it too, and retroactively giving Davros "mercy" or whatever.
>>68672430
Remember when everyone climbed up that scaffolding for an entire episode just to fall back down at the end?
>>68674081
>>68674113
I'm not sure if this is unpopular but Love and Monsters would have been GOAT with a different last 5 minutes.
>>68675141
You are frighteningly pathetic
Van Gogh art is done
>>68682078
what was the original image?
>>68680895
Not so much a greater connection, but it makes his life feel much more "full"
It really feels like he's had several hundred years of adventures,
This journey has certainly changed my views and opinions on certain aspects of the stories being told.
>>68682113
Yeah, not very clear is it? Should have done something with buildings/landscape
>>68682224
That's cool. Maybe one day I'll make that journey.
>>68682246
I think it may have been a better idea to use a promotional shot, like some of the pictures paint anon was doing.
Van Gogh is well know for his self portraits after all.
>>68682224
Is burn out a concern? Have you felt any fatigue at all?
>>68682078
>>68682246
What's the site for this again?
>>68680180
What's you think of Verdigris
Let's have another /who/nger games. Anyone wiling to run?
>>68676946
Nah. RTD porno would feature plenty of bananas with a fit Captain Jack. Moffat porno would feature lots of Clala going bananas
>>68682624
how many left before the tournament?
>>68682624
We only have one more before the champion round, so we need to be sure we're ready with the darkest memes
>>68682400
Yeah, Troughton during his final season was brutal.
Between the sheer amount of stuff with the season 6 team, badly written books and the Doctor and Zoe shitting on Jamie, it was a rough go.
Next burnout period I'm really worried about is Season 19b. The sheer amount of Nyssa boggles the mind.
>>68682540
Loved it, a great change of pace from everything before it.
Looking forward to Iris's next appearance.
>>68682825
Fortunately, Five and Nyssa are a good team.
>>68682683
>>68682689
I thought to make a fanvid for the final tournament. Unfortunately, I won't have the time.
So what did /who/ think of the new companion/trailer?
>>68681614
L&M was kinda fun until those last 5 minutes, which I have tried to erase from my mind ever since. But it stays....like a stubborn verruca.
>>68682825
How about the 3DAs? I don't think a lot of people here have heard them
>>68683170
autism
>>68683170
Trailer itself looked rushed, but the Doctor and Bill are good.
>>68682914
They are, but with 42 stories between Time Flight and Arc, thats a lot of stuff with no major development for either characters.
and that's all well before the !old Nyssa stuff to.
Granted I actively dread reaching Ace.
>>68683237
The Treloar stuff? I enjoyed them, but the stories were nothing hugely new or different.
I think he does a fine job as Pertwee as the Third Doctor.
I'm looking forward to the next set.
>>68683302
At least after a while with Ace you get a brief refresher period with the addition of best girl Raine
I'm interested how you'll handle the many different endings of Ace
my deepart finished
>>68683302
>Granted I actively dread reaching Ace.
>look at the timeline
>it places the whole Ace/Hex/7 era AFTER the end of the VNAs
What the christ?
>>68683512
That's one of my personal issues, I really can't reconcile the post survival timelines.
Putting VNAs after BF means she's basically forgotten years of her life in Genesys and the doctor makes no effort to fix it. Which even for a manipulative bastard is cruel.
While putting BF after the VNAs wipes out a ton of her character development.
So yeah, 7/ace is gonna be a bitch.
>>68683760
>Putting VNAs after BF means she's basically forgotten years of her life in Genesys and the doctor makes no effort to fix it
I mean, by the end of the whole BF affair Ace is virtually back to status quo characterisation because post-Gods & Monsters a shit. So I don't see it as too massive a jump from there into the VNAs (other than the fact they obviously don't reference any of what happened).
It certainly seems preferable to literally going from Ace leaving the TARDIS/hopping on her Time Bike all the way back to BF Ace. What's more, going from Lungbarrow all the way back into 'younger 7' stories seems to completely fuck with his progression as well. I don't know what that timeline dude was thinking, unless he literally meant for you to treat them as two irreconcilable timelines and go from one to the other
>black booga
>full libtard
Someone call me when Moffat is dead, not even Capaldi's acting can salvage this shit.
>>68684018
dont come back
>>68684018
>/pol/fags are literally upset by seeing black people on television
>>68684117
I'll be back the moment I hear about a new showrunner, I suffered through S7 and was pleasantly rewarded with 8 (save the last half of the finale) but I'm gone for this.
>>68684154
Martha was fine. I am also obligated to mention I don't frequent /pol/ thanks to your loaded shitpost.
>>68684275
>I'll be back the moment I hear about a new showrunner
Uhh Chris Chibnall was announced months ago m8.
>>68684018
Daily wail has it's own web page m8
>>68684365
>In January 2016, the BBC announced that Chibnall would replace Steven Moffat as showrunner of Doctor Who and would be the head writer and executive producer of his first series in 2018. The series will be the eleventh in the revived serial.[18]
Thanks for the heads up. See you lads then.
>>68684275
just go
>>68684275
>Martha was fine.
Then what exactly is your problem?
>>68684521
Moffat did it, so it's bullshit.
>>68671337
The RTD and Tennant years were the most successful era of NuWho, UK-ratings wise.
Why can't they achieve this ever again?
>>68685122
>people suddenly stopped watching TV when Matt Smith became the Doctor
Sure.
Hell, the 50th anniversary only got 12 mil. viewers while fucking Voyage of the Damned had like 15 mil.
>>68685093
RTD was better at hyping stuff up and since the show was fresh it still had some novelty.
I think the only way to reach those rating again would be to give it a longer break and then hype up its return (alot) with proven actors and writers
When will we finally get the sexy companion we deserve
>>68685225
>people suddenly stopped watching TV when Matt Smith became the Doctor
Yes?
>>68685284
I've noticed that there are more UK fans who miss RTD, Tennant, 10/Rose, all that junk and still want them back 6 years later.
US fans are more likely to be fans of Smith and even Capaldi.
>>68685093
Public liked the home-made shitness and unliterariness of RTD as well as the superhero worship it offered in 10. Moffat suddenly bursting on the scene with cinematic visuals, a consciously uncool Doctor and hubristic ambitions at artistry soured the well forever. Only wider range Doctor Who fans or people who joined during Smith were capable of approaching Doctor Who from a new perspective (let alone a post-structuralist one) and thus DW was condemned never to be water cooler television again, no matter how shit or good it got.
Although who knows, maybe when Chibnall replaces Capaldi with some sex symbol and starts churning out 42-level shit everyone will like it again?
>>68685533
>the superhero worship it offered in 10
>implying it wasn't ten times worse with 11
>>68685741
rude cunt desu
>>68685607
Yes I am implying that, you're welcome. I didn't think it was an item of debate that the 10 era is far more concerned with wanking off his 'wonderfulness' than it is interrogating him as a character (happens on maybe 2 occasions, neither of which go anywhere). The absolute pinnacle is the fate of Donna, the whole of which is designed solely so that her character arc has no ending but 10 gets a nice fresh load of angst as a tradeoff. Fuck Russell fuck Russell fuck Russell, VotD_angelicdeposition.webm, etc.
>>68685533
More like public liked what they were used to. As soon as Moffat changed the format of the show alot of people who were used to RTD Who left since it was not "muh who" anymore.
Its a problem with Doctor Who, its a constantly changing show so you will always have people that dislike certain eras, alot of people just prefered RTD since that was their first experience with Doctor Who and as soon it wasnt the same they lost interest or simply refused to watch
>>68685741
i liked jenna coleman but the whole "MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE UNIVERSE" shtick every season was fucking gay. moffag did it with amy too.
>>68686152
How would you rank Hitler?
>>68686152
Anon my balls they itch
>>68685848
Every other episode of Smith is him making giant speeches about how I'M THE DOCTOR AND I'M A FOOKIN LEGEND, I CAN FUCK YOUR SHIT UP SO DON'T FUCK WIT ME!!!!!
Literally just off the top of my head there's The Eleventh Hour, The Pandorica Opens, The Rings of Ahtaken, A Good Man Goes to War, The Time of the Angels, the list goes on and on. It's by far the era of Who most dedicated to wanking off the Doctor. The worst it got in Tennant's era is his "look me up" speech in Forest of the Dead, another Moffat episode.
>>68686183
when was hitler a companion i wiped most of matt smith doctor who from my memory
>>68685741
Hitler wasn't a companion? I don't understand. Why are people who hate Clala so retarded?
>>68685533
Did NuWho shift pop culture, or did pop culture change NuWho?
The RTD era was from a time when Harry Potter and Twilight were huge, MySpace was still a thing, and it was on the edge of where being a fangirl was dressing in goth fashion, wearing Gir backpacks and holding up sporks.
The Moffat era is from a time where we have Tumblr and Facebook, fangirls adopted a more "nerd" chic (glasses, dorky clothes) and the biggest movie franchises are Marvel and Disney.
I just think it's amazing how "fan culture" changed so drastically between the 10th and 11th Doctors.
>>68686210
i cant remember the name of the episode but it was in the catherine tate season and the doctor was stuck on a train with a monster outside and everyone is shitting themselves. he keeps trying to pull the "i'm fucking smart and the doctor listen to me faggots" shit and it backfires on him and they try to throw him out of the train which was refreshingly kekworthy.
>>68686210
>The Pandorica Opens
Explicitly critiques the cliché by having it backfire on him.
>A Good Man Goes to War
As above but multiplied by 10000000. I mean this episode alone pretty much defeats your entire point, it is an episode in which the Doctor's entire shock and awe strategy goes completely wrong thanks to his pettiness and lack of care (as a side note, he is unfavourably contrasted against the unassuming and non-destructive Rory) and he gets completely excoriated at the end for having inspired an armed response to him in the first place.
>The Rings of Ahtaken
It fails
>The Eleventh Hour
>The Time of the Angels
Oh yeah, those are fun. Golly you've stumped me.
>>68686210
>The Eleventh Hour
eh it's his first episode, of course they're going to give him a big moment to make viewers accept the youngest ever actor to play the part as THE Doctor. I'd say fair enough.
>Time of the Angels
what speech was this? the "don't ever put me in a trap line"? hardly a speech imo but so what if it is? all he does is shoot a gravity globe.
>The Pandorica Opens
the famous speech is a bluff that fails because he got shit totally wrong
>A Good Man Goes to War
another failed attempt, he gets rekt
>The Rings of Ahtaken
see above
>It's by far the era of Who most dedicated to wanking off the Doctor.
it really wasn't. 11 was always fucking up and being called on it and was never portrayed as a jesus figure the way 10 sometimes was.
>>68686378
midnight written by RTD
>>68686210
>I'M THE DOCTOR AND I'M A FOOKIN LEGEND, I CAN FUCK YOUR SHIT UP SO DON'T FUCK WIT ME!!!!!
Literally the ending of Family of Blood.
Also essentially says this about himself in Voyage of the Damned.
>>68686897
Adding on some more episodes where 11 is deconstructed/questioned (or the audience is invited to see him as flawed and needing work) rather than uncritically given a pass.
>Amy's Choice
>The Girl Who Waited
>The God Complex
>The Angels Take Manhattan
Didn't quite make the list: The Wedding of River Song (too implicit)
so who's the new companion guys?
IMPORTANT
>>68683760
They're unreconcilable. Why try reconciling them?
>>68686378
Midnight is great because it's the one time RTD suggests that 10's fundamental way of interacting with the world might be screwed.
I think it's a more effective attack on 10 than The Waters of Mars (which is the only other one, really) because WoM presents itself almost like a 'special case' that he breaks out of at the end.
>>68687243
POLL
http://poal.me/3563z7
>>68686827
>>The Pandorica Opens
>Explicitly critiques the cliché by having it backfire on him.
No it doesn't, its purpose was to buy him time and it completely succeeds by getting the aliens to back down even though all they have to do is fucking shoot him because he's right fucking but they're all too terrified of him because he's The Doctor.
>>68686827
>it is an episode in which the Doctor's entire shock and awe strategy goes completely wrong thanks to his pettiness and lack of care
No it doesn't. The Doctor got tricked but it's not his fault for making a big speech and River and Kovarian's criticisms of him just confirm how much of a fookin' legend/unstoppable threat he is, just viewing it from a different perspective.
>>68686827
>>The Rings of Ahtaken
>It fails
Doesn't matter, it's still meant to impress the audience with how cool and epic it is as opposed to making the Doctor look silly and pretentious.
>>68686897
>the "don't ever put me in a trap line"? hardly a speech imo but so what if it is? all he does is shoot a gravity globe.
That one's actually not that bad on its own, I actually kind of like it because it does lead into a cool cliffhanger, but it's the fact that 11 does so much of that kind of posturing all the time. It just starts to add up.
>>68685533
Nobody thought RTD's era looked shit at the time, we thought most of it looked great.
>>68686352
Nope, everyone I knew was on Facebook in 2006/7. How old are you?
>>68687243
>>68687317
So if i obnoxiously post a single pic everyday will it become a /who/ meme?
>>68687588
>No it doesn't, its purpose was to buy him time and it completely succeeds by getting the aliens to back down even though all they have to do is fucking shoot him because he's right fucking but they're all too terrified of him because he's The Doctor.
nah, do you even remember the episode m8? they 'back down' because they were never going for the pandorica like he thinks they were in the first place, not because his speech succeeds. he looks like a total idiot because they made the pandorica to imprison him in, and that's exactly what happens.
>>68687629
>Nope, everyone I knew was on Facebook in 2006/7
Facebook didn't explode until 2008/9
>How old are you?
almost 22 m8
>>68687893
But wouldn't shooting him from their ships be just as good as putting him in the Pandorica? If he regenerates they could just shoot him again. Or they could all shoot him at once and just obliterate every part of his body.
>>68687861
depends on the pic desu
Does it ever strike you how ridiculously fucking dark the last 15 or so seconds of The Girl Who Waited actually are? As much as the ep is set up as this romantic love story of Amy and Rory and so on, what has actually been committed by the Doctor (and ultimately consented to by Old Amy and in turn Rory) is an act of violence performed to preserve the status quo - not just of the TARDIS but of the show itself. We need to delete this awkward intrusion of old, failed Amy so we can get back nice, young Amy full of possibility for future episodes.
The moment that Amy wakes up and asks "where is she?" followed by the Doctor's absolutely wordless ambiguous look at the camera is absolutely damning. The mere fact that the series will continue for the next several weeks, like nothing happened, is laid bare as the existential horror it is purely by that open ending. Because 11, Amy and Rory can easily all forget it happened, it will make no difference to their lives (and well, they never acknowledged it again on screen...) How many things like this might have happened? Conscious people consigned to time oblivion because we need the best possible outcome for our companion?
I'm blowing this up a bit, but it is quite literally the closest NuWho has got, and maybe will ever get, to what Briggs did with the end of Creatures of Beauty (not a spoiler because that story is completely different, but in the sense that it ends on a disturbing conceptual challenge to the moral legitimacy of the Doctor/show/audience).
>>68688045
would make for shit storytelling
which is, admittedly,___
>>68688045
aren't they afraid of him causing the cracks with his tardis in the future and that's why they formed an alliance against him? I guess they believe locking him in the pandorica is the surer bet to preventing whatever he does in the future to cause the cracks.
anyway that seems more a quibble about the plotting than about whether or not the aim of the speech is to make the doctor look cool & epic, and the whole why don't they just shoot him thing is a problem going back to the daleks. they don't just shoot him because he's the doctor and the show is called doctor who.
The crucial distinction is that RTD isn't interested in fan culture at all, in fact he'd probably have laughed at the very notion that fandom constitutes a culture. He didn't want to make the show for people who only like nerd shit, he wanted to make it for its traditional audience - kids and their parents. Make it for them, and the nerds will come anyway. RTD's Who is, like most of the original run, science-fiction as a means to an end, to enable interesting ethical situations and drama. Moffatt's Who has consciously targeted fan culture, to its detriment. We have stories on alien planets with no identification figures or real-world meaning, ludicrous continuity-tangling sagas that ultimately change nothing, and a companion whose entire backstory is a timey-wimey gimmick. Bill looks like a move in the right direction, back towards relatable, normal characters.
>>68688045
What if they just shoot him and it turns out he was a robot all along? ;^)
>>68688546
Precisely.
Pig shit.
>>68687964
No, I'm telling you, I was there, everyone I knew was on Facebook early in the RTD era. You say yourself, it exploded in the RTD era.
I'm 31. Even when RTD's Who looked shit, we assumed TV couldn't look any better, so 'home-made' quality wasn't a thought we had at the time. This is pre-HD remember. Most of the time we thought it looked slick.
It was sooooo emotional when the Doctor cradles the dying Master in his arms, crying and screaming REGENERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! while bearing and gritting his teeth.
Why doesn't Moffat Who have these moments?
>https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/unit---3-1210
>UNIT vs the Silence
Er
>Decades after their defeat by the Eleventh Doctor, the Silence prepare to rise against humanity.
...why? I'm intrigued as to how they're going to justify this, when the Silence's whole bag was averting Trenzalore by killing off 11. I won't be impressed if they just go "lol we want to take over the world now because why not?".
>>68688116
It's always weird to be reminded that people listen to the BFs. They seem so sad to me.
>>68688546
>in fact he'd probably have laughed at the very notion that fandom constitutes a culture
The guy wrote Love & Monsters, give him some credit. Yes they all get eaten by Levine's arse, but before Levine turns up, the Doctor fans form a real sense of friendship and community and branch out into doing other things.
>>68688988
Because it's for fan culture, where nothing matters emotionally because there's never an ending. Compare Marvel. Lots of bombast, no real emotional consequence, because they're there to keep you on the treadmill for the next film, always the next instalment.
>>68689138
A crap story can be redeemed with a great ending.
Not vice versa.
>>68689206
DCuck pls
>>68689138
You're proving my point, Love & Monsters is patronising in a way Moffat would never attempt. The attitude to the fans in that episode is somewhere between 'aw, bless!' and outright pisstake.
>>68689206
Please explain, in the simplest possible terms, how "there's never an ending" is true of "fan culture" in a way it is not true of Doctor Who in general. And do it quick before your logic literally topples over on itself.
>>68689294
It's just true, though?
>>68689498
Why are people sad for listening to Big Finish?
>>68689439
In the simplest possible terms: The Master and the Doctor in that episode is a dramatic climax. The camp teaser of his survival afterwards doesn't effect the sincerity of that scene. In Marvel or Moffat's Who, the reverse emphasis occurs - the emotions are fleeting, the bombast is everything, and the continuation of the story is where the emotion goes. Compare The Master's survival or not and what it meant then, to the handling of Missy's apparent death in the Moffat era. The emotional stakes cannot be there when the treadmill of product is the main concern.
>>68689424
No, I hate all that shit. Doctor Who was like the original Star Trek - not mainly aimed at fan types but acquiring them anyway. Now it tries to play a lot more to that audience.
>>68689695
Anon meant the stories make her cry.
>>68689746
So... RTD was too campy and OTT and Moffat toned it down so as to not make watching the show a cringe-worthy experience?
>>68688546
m8 I'm looking at youtube comments on the new trailer and half of them are saying it's evidence of how shit Moffat Who has become so I wouldn't say Bill is a step in the right direction of appealing to nonfans.
>>68689831
I just hope we don't swing too far to the other extreme and get something like JJ Abrams Trek.
>>68689695
The Big Finishs are sad, not the people listening. I just don't know how anyone can get any pleasure from listening to audibly aged actors pretend they're still young in fan-fiction level el cheapo radio drama. I picture Big Finish's studio as looking like the Dignitas HQ.
Question for completist anon - do you also slot in the Professor and Ace/Dominie and Alice audios?
>>68689867
spitfires in space rainbow bright daleks think of love so we don't die in nuclear inferno
>>68689976
Everybody seems to enjoy recording them though, getting back together with old friends from the show and having a comfy lunch.
>>68689976
>I just don't know how anyone can get any pleasure from listening to audibly aged actors pretend they're still young
It's called acting, you muppet.
>I picture Big Finish's studio as looking like the Dignitas HQ.
Your complaint comes from the fact you find the very existence of old people depressing, so the idea of them having fun appalls you.
>>68689746
But Missy being shot in DIH was pottery.
DOCTOR: You're my responsibility from now on. The only Time Lord left in existence.
>JACK: Yeah, but you can't trust him.
>DOCTOR: No. The only safe place for him is the Tardis.
>MASTER: You mean you're just going to keep me?
>DOCTOR: Mmm. If that's what I have to do. It's time to change. Maybe I've been wandering for too long. Now I've got someone to care for.
...
>DOCTOR: Regenerate. Just regenerate. Please. Please! Just regenerate. Come on.
>MASTER: And spend the rest of my life imprisoned with you?
>DOCTOR: You've got to. Come on. It can't end like this. You and me, all the things we've done. Axons. Remember the Axons? And the Daleks. We're the only two left. There's no one else. Regenerate!
>MASTER: How about that. I win. Will it stop, Doctor? The drumming. Will it stop?
>MISSY: We can, we can go together, just you and me. Just like the old days.
>DOCTOR: You'd be clapped in irons.
>MISSY: If you like.
>CLARA: Doctor, I'm assuming you'll remember those coordinates?
>DOCTOR: No. No, don't you dare. I won't let you.
>CLARA: Old friend, is she? If you have ever let this creature live, everything that happened today, is on you. All of it, on you. And you're not going to let her live again.
>DOCTOR: Clara, all I'm doing is not letting you kill her. I never said I was letting her live.
>CLARA: Really?
>DOCTOR: If that's the only thing that will stop you, yes.
>MISSY: Seriously. Oh, Doctor. To save her soul? But who, my dear, will save yours? Say something nice. Please?
>DOCTOR: You win.
>>68689976
The Audio visuals?
The timeline i'm following doesn't include them, but i'd like to give them a go one day
>>68689976
Yeah, well, BF payed for Colin's sun room, so there's that. Your opinion is moot.
>>68690215
Not that guy but I listened to a few and they were pretty decent. They didn't actually have the license to use Doctor Who characters so they just had Ace use her Professor nickname all the time instead of calling him Doctor. I think eventually they had to change Ace's name too.
Is it possible to enjoy Doctor Who if you have right-wing political views?
>>68689867
That's the reverse of what I'm saying. RTD's camp was constrained by his instinct for good drama. Moffat's emotional commitment is an inch deep, and is constrained by sci-fi plot - the emotions are too reliant on your investment in the concepts.
>>68691110
I know some Robert Holmes stories you might be interested in
>>68691110
no, ever since i took the redpill, Doctor Who hasn't drawn me in
You could try watching some classic DW
>>68690049
It's work, they're happy to be employed, and you know how movie stars always say X was great to work with? That.
>>68690123
It has nothing to do with drama or fun. No, I don't find old people depressing, I find having to go back to the shite that ruined your career just in order to get work at all horrific. It's like late-period Bela Lugosi to the power of ten.
>>68691110
Yes. Even thought it will usually not agree with your politics, that's also not the primary focus of the show or even one of the main foci.
>>68690204
You proved my point. The second dialogue is just snark and foot-stamping for nothing.
>>68691580
What?
>>68691580
>snark and foot-stamping
What do you mean? Anyways it was a reverse of the scene in LLOTL. It was pretty good desu.
>>68691110
Depends how right-wing you mean.
>>68691978
>long lines on the train
>>68691811
>>68691978
Clala does the footstamping, Missy does the snark. Yes, it's a reversal, because the original scene meant nothing to Moffat, it's just a node of continuity to draw on.
>>68692193
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
>>68690268
What has that got to do with anything? I didn't say they weren't being paid.
>>68692144
I don't know what that meas.
>>68692193
You had a point earlier, but you kinda lost it
>>68692286
There's nothing you can do prevent the catharsis of spurious dramaturgy.
>>68691192
>RTD's camp was constrained by his instinct for good drama.
Examples?
Moffat is really good at pottery and referencing earlier episodes. I don't think it hurts the show at all - if you don't get the reference it just acts as a throwaway world building line that makes the universe seem bigger and if you do you'll have the satisfaction of getting the reference
Like "three possible versions of Atlantis" and the "I don't want to go" at the end of DOTD, they're just cheeky little nods
>>68692356
What does your opinion being moot have to do with anything? If a carpenter builds a cabinet or a deck, it don't matter so long as he can put food in front of his daughters.
>>68692380
Not at all. There is no emotional meaning to the scene, it's just attitudinizing. The Master's final death is not going to occur because of Clara's feelings, which are meaningless because they're not about a real world situation but about sci-fi plot devices.
>>68692659
>because they're not about a real world situation but about sci-fi plot devices.
Huh? She thought it wasn't right to let The Master live after the chaos and death he causes. What do you mean by "scifi plot device"
>>68692659
>Clara's feelings, which are meaningless because they're not about a real world situation but about sci-fi plot devices.
her boyfriend dying is a sci fi plot device?
>>68692524
The scene we're talking about, for one. Generally, the big feelings in his stuff are about big feelings in life, whereas the camp surrounds the more otherworldly stuff. Compare Rose's life to Amy's. The latter doesn't make sense emotionally because it's constantly bent around wacky shit that could happen with time travel. RTD: what if using time travel, you met your mum before she had you? How would that feel? Audience: Wow. :_O
Moffat: what if your friend was your kid but also this older woman who used to go out with this guy you had a thing on before your boyfriend who you'd forgotten waited for literal millenia and you realised how important that was and then... Audience: u wot m8
>>68692659
>The Master's final death is not going to occur because of Clara's feelings,
Nor was it going to occur because of the Doctor's feelings in LOTTL so what's your point?
>which are meaningless because they're not about a real world situation but about sci-fi plot devices.
Is having your long-time nemesis who you have an ambiguously homoerotic relationship with refuse to save his own life because he would be imprisoned by you and you being sad because he was the last of your species and the only possible companion who could live as long as you a real world situation not dependent on scifi plot devices? The whole impact of LOTTL depends on the Doctor and the Master's non-realistic history as non-realistic characters so I don't know how can praise the ending of that story and dismiss DIH.
>>68693045
already phapped today, thanks
>>68693297
>only fapping once per day
Phuck off normie.
>>68692869
Actual bereavement exists. The death of someone you have stuff in common with that nobody else has, exists. That Tennant scene is unrelated to any of what the Master does in that story, it's purely about their relationship. Clara's emotions (which aren't being seriously offered as pro-capital punishment sentiment because then we'd really have a hot potato on our hands) are about something that didn't and couldn't happen, that isn't assimilable to anything the audience have ever experienced or will ever experience.
>>68692903
Yes, of course it is. How it happens, what happens afterwards. How could you think of it as anything else?
>>68693376
People can't regenerate.
>>68693343
>>68693376
What?
>>68693376
How is being hit by a car while on the phone to your girlfriend in any way sci fi?
The whole point of Danny's death is just how ordinary it is, Clara has a speech to this very effect.
>>68693498
He doesn't know what you're talking about because he hasn't seen the episode,he's just seen clips and read summaries.
>>68693158
The thing is, it felt like it actually could in LOTTL. RTD had dumped enough of the continuity that he might have considered never returning to the Master, and the Doctor's reaction felt like real grief. The way things are now, it can't.
No, the impact has nothing to do with that, the core of the emotion is a human one which will come to all of us - losing your contemporaries to death. That's why the general public watched and enjoyed that era of the show - RTD knows how to bring it back to shit we can identify with. Moffat turns every emotional milestone into a time-pretzel.
>>68693079
I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent. RTD's characters were much more human – and much more believable – than some of Moffat's. Moffat went too far down the "most important companion in the universe" track.
RTD era was campy as fuck, though, looking back. It matched the campiness of 7's run.
>>68693498
What happens after that?
How ordinary is it?
>>68693079
>what if using time travel, you met your mum before she had you? How would that feel? Audience: Wow. :_O
When did that happen?
>>68693433
He doesn't think he's going to in that scene.
I'm talking about why normal people watched RTD's Who and don't watch Moffat's. If you'd rather pretend that happened for no explicable reason, so be it.
>>68693637
Thank you! I'm so glad that that someone gets it. Yes, it was camp as fuck, but I think that worked.
>>68693766
Father's Day
>>68693766
Father's Day.
>>68693975
>>68694016
But Rose was in that episode as a baby.
Where did it all go so wrong for Karen? Series 5 Karen was prime Karen. She started degrading from series 6 onwards.
>>68693773
So, correct me if i'm wrong. Your argument seems to be that it's impossible to have an emotional reaction to something because it can't happen in real life?
>>68693766
Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone
>>68693666
that's silly criteria, it renders every Doctor Who character's emotions meaningless becuase it's all caused by sci fi plots
>>68694042
What does that have to do with my point?
>>68694089
I lost interest in her during the Silurian two-parter, 2010. Perhaps it was the dynamic with Rory, but I began seeing her as my sister.
>>68694089
Karen looked better in series 6 though. Then she got puffy faced in series 7.
>>68694206
You had "you met your mum before she had you" but Rose was already born in that episode. It would have made more sense if you said meeting your dad before he died.
>>68694254
I lost interest in her because I started to hate her character, and I had a hard time distinguishing between the two afterwards.
>>68694260
Series 5 Karen was prime Karen.
I used deepart.io to cross this image with the cover of Revolver for some reason and it's basically nightmare fuel.
>>68694399
wrong image?
>>68694097
Not quite, my point is that the only people who have emotional reactions to situations that only exist because of sci-fi plotting are fans. And fans aren't enough to keep the show in production.
>>68694159
No, not every character's, only most of them.
>>68694399
>the eyes
>>68694368
Nah. She's too uncouth for my tastes in her first one. Stands around awkwardly and makes unnatural googly eyed expressions and barks most of her lines.
>>68694277
I didn't remember the baby element, even though that radically ups the sci-fi stakes of the episode's conclusion, probably because, as I say, the sci-fi elements aren't what the episode is about. That proves my point.
anyone know what gritando means
>>68694452
So only fans could get an emotional reaction to the 10/Master scene because 10 wants him to regenerate and we can't regenerate in real life? There's no emotion Doomsday because Rose is transported to alternate earth and that can't happen in real life? I don't really get what you're saying desu.
>>68694452
>fans aren't enough to keep the show in production.
>Moffat Who only appeals to fans
And yet the Moffat era has survived six years.
>>68694458
I like this guy.
[captia: 4th moonlig]
>>68694595
No, regeneration isn't the point of that scene. Bereavement is the point of that scene. That scene was the example I began with of the RTD approach's merits compared to Moffat's.
>>68694672
...the pic.
>>68694716
What?
>>68694626
I'm talking about a gradual slide everyone's remarked on during the cat's cradle of Amy and Clara's stories. Bill looks like an attempt to return to the RTD balance, and I think that's a good thing.
>>68694716
The point is the Master actively choosing not to regenerate, so yes regeneration is important. He's not just dying, he's committing suicide to avoid being with the Doctor. How many people can relate to that?
This entire conversation just reads like someone read the following Phil paragraph on A Christmas Carol and took it too much to heart, then slapped an extra load of unsubstantiated waffle on top.
>The result marks a significant shift in the goals of the show. The Davies era was full of emotional storytelling, but in almost every case it was about taking ordinary emotions and setting them in an epic, sci-fi context. This story, however, asks something very different: the audience is expected to learn to empathize with Kazran as he experiences fundamentally bizarre things that are outside the realm of human experience. The question of when you choose to spend your last day with the woman you love is one that barely has a reference point in human experience. More even than “what is it like to be the last of your kind,” which is really just a special case of loneliness, the bizarre and isolating power that Kazran has is something that is genuinely uncanny. This reflects a fundamental shift in the series. Davies elevated common emotion and drama to the epic. Moffat, on the other hand, takes austere and unfathomable circumstances and makes them human.
>>68671337
At first the Daleks were like Nazis but then they were created by Nazis and were so evil that even the Nazi scientists were like "Damn, this is going a little too far."
>>68694955
It's not unsubstantiated, I'm referring to what actually happens, just as he is there.
I'll get the new thread.
>>68694911
No, that's not the point, that's included as a throwaway for the autists so he can get on with addressing normal people, the explicit aim of his era.
>>68694955
The difference between his point of view and mine is that he thinks Moffat succeeds in doing something impossible, whereas I don't. Only nerds give a shit about the emotional situations in his era.
>>68695231
So the fact that the Master could regenerate and chooses not to is not important to your interpretation of the scene?
oh god i was only memeing about RTD who having higher ratings and it summoned this fucker
>>68695413just dont reply
>>68695343
It's not important to the emotional meaning it was intended to have for the average viewer, no. It's a death scene. It was never previously stated that one could fail to regenerate at will - regeneration was just what Time Lords' bodies did. In that scene, the purpose of the sci-fi plot element is to provide the pretext for the human, relatable emotion.
>>68695413
PHUCKING PHEEL THE SHAME
Clara facing her impending death has more of a reference point in human experience (i.e. terminal illness) than 10 being forced to wipe Donna's memory because her higher intelligence will destroy her mind. Although perhaps both of those are outliers for their respective showrunners, I really don't think this distinction is as meaningful or clear cut as it's talked up to be.
>>68695713
The point of Donna's memory wipe is how her mother patronised her all her life, and how she now has to return to that life. It's one of the most haunting things RTD ever did. Also, how did Clara's impending death turn out?
>>68695876
>Also, how did Clara's impending death turn out?
This conversation is about emotional impact, unless I missed something.
Face The Raven aired at a time when no-one in the audience knew what would occur later.
As such, Clara's death in Face The Raven is absolutely set up as an emotional death scene. No hint or suggestion that she will be revived is given. The 'point' of the scene, so to speak, is unambiguously Clara's attempt to deal with her unavoidable impending death, and her attempt to console the Doctor about it.
>The point of Donna's memory wipe is how her mother patronised her all her life, and how she now has to return to that life
But it won't even be her returning. The wipe of her memory will constitute a fundamental rewriting of her personality, she won't even be living with the regret of what could have been. The audience will be unhappy, but she won't even know. It is an existential horror and a conceptual one, impossible to conceive of without sci-fi devices and quite frankly the emotional effect of it is handed off more to Tennant (if all those scenes of him standing in the rain being sad are anything to go by) whose situation is perhaps even more alien.
