>1997
>Having CGI this photorealistic, even in daylight
>Still wipeing the floor with today's computer effects
How is this possible? Did they use magic computers back then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywKJSglL24
They took their time and cared.
In the 90s people liked to work instead of tweeting from their workplace.
fucking millenials
>>68091031
>Still wipeing the floor with today's computer effects
lol no, but they were pretty good for the time, but even that same year Titanic did it even better, so
No muscle animation.
Its fairly simple they only had to care about animations, which is piss-easy and texture and lighting, which is abit harder.
>>68091031
It doesn't really look that great.
>>68091031
>>68091031
Because of this guy who loved his work, was hollywood blacklisted because Evolution was a clusterfuck box office bomb and ended doing Twilight saga animations. RIP.
>>68091639
Based Tippet. One of these days I'm gonna pay for his Mad God series.
>>68091099
>>68091167
>They took their time and cared.
>In the 90s people liked to work instead of tweeting from their workplace.
This. Films were made with a better work ethic back then. Nowadays a scene like this would be two dudes doing it quickly after lunch using some shitty CGI film software, then moving onto the next task for another film before finishing work at 5.
>>68091639
It's a shame that such talented people are a dying breed now. These guys turned a passion into a job.
>>68091031 (OP)
Explain to me again how they can send meteors to the other side of the galaxy.
>>68091989
They can't. It was a false flag
>>68092037
Nigger you missed out the whole point of the movie.
>>68092037
That's the point. The meteor was a false flag to garner support for the invasion.
>>68091903
>not knowing a fucking thing about CGI
I bet you think Transformers was made like this too
>>68092194
And Verhoeven imagined that even before 9/11 occured? Wow.
>>68091031
LIGHTING
I
G
H
T
I
N
G
>>68092246
>And Verhoeven imagined that even before 9/11 occured? Wow.
Nothing new. Ever heard of the Tonkin incident ?!
>>68091639
I always wanted to see a cut of Jurassic Park using his animation
>>68092037
>he thinks bueno aries was wiped out by the bugs
your life must be a haze of shit, anon
>>68092037
a giant anus
Threadly reminder that Dizzy was best girl. ride or die type chick.
>>68092413
>>68091031
Literally gmod tier
>>68092246
Pearl Harbor = 9/11
knew about, decided to let it go on to gain favor of the masses.
>>68091639
This. Also he directed the sequel, Hero of The Federation.
>>68092194
I first saw this when I was a kid. I didn't know shit about physics or politics. So what, it was just to unify humanity and stop wars on earth? Shit.
>>68092774
I'm pretty sure Verhoeven just didn't bother to think it through all the way.
>>68092413
No argument there. I will say Denise Richards did a better sex scene though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwTGKaLCeo
It's not a movie
It actually happened
The bugs are real
>>68092863
Well I say kill 'em all.
>>68092827
Yeah. Ignoring the politics, it doesn't make sense physically. However the humans move at flt speeds, well, they don't explain how that works. The bugs shooting plasma out their arses to propel rocks or something, I don't see how they could cover those kinds of distances.
>>68092863
>It's not a movie
I've heard this fan theory before. Is there any good evidence for this? At what point does "the movie" start? Is the entire thing supposed to be an in-universe commercial?
why doesnt dizzy feel shoehorned??
>>68092194
No it wasn't.
This is never implied or stated in the novel.
>>68092774
It's a satire, it wasn't meant to make sense. Paul Verhoeven pissed on the book it was based on for it's militaristic and fascist messages.
>>68092913
probably wormholes or some shit
>tfw the bugz wur real
>>68092956
It might just be what this guy said
>>68092827
Verhoeven (maybe) can't into astronomy
>>68093015
No kidding. This is the guy who made Robocop. He's a champion of pisstaking
>>68093026
Yeah, it's silly sci-fi. I can go with that.
>>68092863
The book associates the bugs, with communist China.
So you are sort of correct.
>>68092946
The director refused to finish reading the book, instead opting to change, add and remove sections he didnt understand, or did not like.
Dizzy is a man in the books. Quite a few plot connected characters have totally different arcs.
however
>I SAY KILL EM ALL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACaJZ3vows
>>68091031
Two things
>Character design
>Put all your budget into it (see look how cheap looks the rest of the film)
>>68091031
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
>>68091031
Its called either Amiga or Silicon
>>68091903
You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. This has to be bait because someone can't be that retarded. You should be embarassed.
>>68093105
cute pic :3
>>68091031
I wanna live in a world like that, every country should have the "in order to vote you gotta put your life at stake first"
The movie is actually a look at fascism and government propaganda like the book its based on. Although the movie takes a more action comedic approach.
>>68092863
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE.
>>68093236
As I understand it, that's why some women were originally against voting when the sufragettes were having the shits. The right to vote came with a right to be conscripted.
>>68093236
How's being 16 working out for you?
>>68093236
>I wanna live in a world like that
sign up then
>>68092863
>Starship Troopers was a real flag and we ignored it
>>68093236
you think taxation without representation is a good thing?
I'm in a mood to watch this now. Cheers, OP.
Fuck i really have to watch starship troupers again.
>>68091639
Dammnit i liked evolution and the cgi was ok for its time.
>>68093489
Yes. Most voices aren't worth hearing.
>>68093544
I hope most jobs aren't worth doing, too, because if you think the government sucks at its job now, wait until the people doing the job didn't even volunteer.
At least the US military has repeatedly gone on record stating that it is a professional and technical force and has no interest in conscripting millions of dumbass bullet sponges.
>>68093544
then why should those voices finanically support a system that doesn't represent them?
>>68092956
>This is never implied or stated in the novel.
>in the novel
Bringing the novel into this here tells me you never even read the book.
>>68092037
explain why they used starfox graphics
>>68092944
come on dude...
i know fan theories are fun but some are just a waste of time
>>68092944
Yeah, it's in-universe propaganda, like Triumph of the Will. I like this read of the movie because it explains why it ends with everyone happily fighting the war and why you're seeing literal commercials the whole time. The movie is a much funner watch - and even better satire - when you imagine it as a depiction of unseen "real" events
>>68093873
Oh, also, the movie never addresses the logistics or ethics of enlisting children as soldiers - something propaganda would never do
>>68091031
>
Extremely smart designe.
The art team worked on stuff that would look good on cgi. It's a shame no one does that
>>68093861
I'd be open to this one, not necessarily convinced, if it had something worthwhile to it.
>>68093873
I think I might try that perspective with this viewing.
>>68093537
He also went to his own comapny and make effects for... Ted and Ted 2. No joking.
>>68093836
To make it more "computer simulation-ish" since it was supposed to be shown from the viewer's POV on the internet.
>>68092459
Why is Rico so smug?
>>68092037
W-what ever do you mean Anon? Of course the bugs did it!
Are you some kind of enemy of the Federation?
Are you some kind of Mormon sympathizer?!
FRANKLY I FIND THE IDEA OF A BUG THAT THINKS OFFENSIVE
>>68094009
Who is this actor? I swear I've seen him in something else but I can't put my finger on it.
>>68092956
>Novels
>>/pleb/
>>68093957
so thats why ted looked unusually good.
granted its just one character but it really did look great
>>68091031
>you will never remove arachnids with a space DShK
>>68093985
Because at that point, he hated Dizzy
>>68092459
>that leg sweep
>>68093614
Starship Troopers didn't have conscription.
>>68093624
Because they have no choice but to pay taxes and are otherwise quite free.
>>68094009
He's like the proto current-year-man
>>68091248
Show us your portfolio, internet tough guy faggit!
>>68091175
I love Titanic, one of the movies I actually shed tears for, but the cgi hasn't held up. What you think looks good is probably real models and on-screen effects. They filmed parts of it in Baja California (mexico) and used real models there.
Also, if you didn't cry at Leo's death, you ain't no man.
>>68093985
>I heard this unit was the best
>what makes you good enough?
>throws down
>proceeds to get rekt
I'd be pretty smug too
>>68096182
FRANKLY I FIND THE IDEA OF A STRAIGHT WHITE MAN OFFENSIVE
>>68091031
It looks good for 20 years ago, but
>Still wipeing the floor with today's computer effects
C'mon now anon. Rose colored glasses much?
>>68091903
CGI film software!
>doesn't know about modelling.
>>68092459
extra
>>68092774
No, it's not to unify humanity. It's to keep the fascist military structure of humanity going. Without a war it'll be liable for collapse, and it's a lot harder to keep wars going when you're fighting other humans who can give up or garner public support to stop the war. So you orchestrate a war with an alien non-humanoid race and then send your ground troops in to be slaughtered instead of simply glassing the planets the aliens life on, to perpetuate the war as long as possible and to curb population growth.
>>68093904
>the movie never addresses the logistics or ethics of enlisting children as soldiers
What?
>>68097859
Yes anon?
>>68098109
just giving a little more face time. He three rows back in a movie that's 20 years old. Hes earned it.
>>68098249
He probably got to keep that hat, lucky droog.
>2013
>>68098249
you're a good guy anon, i'm sure he appreciates it.
>>68098540
>it's harder to realistically animate humans, cloth movement and smoke than it is to animate an alien bug creature that's all sleek shiny carapace
Gee, whoddathunkit.
>>68092413
Random Anglo female has more muscles than wonderjewwoman
>>68098540
THE SNAP ZOOMS
ARE
SO
FUCKING
BAAAAAAAAAAAAD
>>68098615
>16 years
and somehow Titanic still won the Oscar that year
>>68092831
Kevin Bacon's face at around 0:15...top kek. He knew what time it was.
>>68098741
If you'd tried animating that fight in the Starship Troopers days it would have looked like absolute shit compared to the shit we got in 2013. Stop comparing apples and oranges and learn to think critically about why some things are easier to animate or make believable puppets of than other things.
>>68092037
It was a false flag attack, the whole point of starship troopers is that humans are the evil alien invaders and the bugs are just protecting their world
CGI has always worked extremely well for textures and less so for motion, smoke, fabrics, or anything that has small motions as a part of its animation. (think curtains, cigarette smoke, fires, clothing, figure motion, etc.)
Aside from the fact that Starship Troopers had one of the largest budgets and was thus able to afford quality CGI for their scenes, they also used models like the one in the picture here that were attached to a computer for direct animation capture. Ultimately what remained was having to do texture and light mapping onto the "bugs", which because of their nature, have no clothes or other various things that require a smaller render. In addition, the shots were framed in such a way that any close shot was done with a model, and shot away from the camera was done by merely rendering the texture and lighting maps onto the pre-baked animation, made easy because of the simple geometry of the bugs. (by design, likely).
If you compare it to other early examples you'll notice that when the CGI needs to be more complex and include a depth map (to simulate skin or rough textures instead of smooth ones) that they would do things like Jurassic Park did. (set it in the rain, etc.)
It really doesn't "wipe the floor" with modern effects because if a film was made using the same techniques it would look a lot better and probably have more visual nuance such as being able to show refracting light and other effects.
In short it's more of a case of 'working what you have' rather than a case of 'incredible work'. They knew the limitations and used them to their advantage.
>>68091639
He didn't know CGI until Jurassic Park. He only did stop motion but Spielberg rigged a mainframe peripheral that plugged into the modelling software that aloud him to manipulate the CGI models.
>>68094009
This guy reminds me of Carl
>>68099008
not main frame. I meant wireframe.
>>68098893
Finally a right answer
>>68098893
>CGI has always worked extremely well for textures and less so for motion, smoke
People figured out how to do perfect cgi smoke and fire years ago bro
>>68091031
movies back then had longer production times. now producers want more movies churned out faster.
case in point: lotr trilogy vs hobbit trilogy. lotr had 3 years of production time (it started around the time starship troopers was released), hobbit had 3 months
>>68099306
You have bad reading comprehension.
>CGI has always worked extremely well for textures and less so for motion, smoke
>People figured out how to do perfect cgi smoke and fire years ago bro
The former sentence states that CGI has -always- worked well for textures. People figuring out how to do perfect smoke and fire (even now still not perfect when close to the camera) does not mean that they have also always worked well, or that they worked well at the time when Starship Troopers was released.
>>68099550
smoke = particle generator.
>>68092246
lolwat
Orwell wrote about that 75 years ago you uneducated pleb
>>68098844
Why were we invading them in th first palace?
>>68101297
To perpetuate the fascist military state.
>>68092037
that sounds like traitor talk to me
>>68101297
to find the brain bug
>>68092037
So uh, we appear to be in the wrong spot in the Milky Way, there.
>>68091639
>RIP
They revived his corpse for The Force Awakens
>>68101297
Because we're big guys.
>>68091031
puppets, models combined with cgi can put out some nice stuff if done right.
Anyone remember a discovery channel show from the 90s called movie magic?
Every episode was about blowing up models, one of them was under siege's train scene.
>>68091639
Phil is the man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTGQ_K0DBPo
>>68091031
The bugs are made up of a whole lot of sharp edges so a low polygon count fits them well, lel.
They'd probably look pretty good on a Playstation 1 too.
>>68091903
>>68091099
This.
Nowadays Hollywood realized they can get away with turning out shit that looks like Oz the Great and Powerful and Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland and still make a billion fucking dollars.
What's the point in making something look photorealistic when the general public doesn't give a shit?
You guys the bugs are like the Muslims
>>68091031
Why is this flick so obsessed with limbs being torn apart?
>>68102020
How would you know? Been outside the Milky Way, have you?
>>68102366
cuz war son
>>68102327
The bugs were a space faring civilization with an advanced culture. Muslims are violent monkeys that can't even cross the sea without drowning.
>people still don't realise Carmen deliberately altered trajectory whilst no one else was around, causing the asteroid to strike Earth
>>68102742
>le reddit theory you already posted
OK you can fuck off now.
>fall back to the compound
Why did they abandon the high ground for literally nothing? They got themselves in a suicidal pit when they should've instead held the wall.
>>68091031
Fucking retard pulled that fang out of her making her bleeding even worse.
>>68091031
I don't think you know what photorealistic means.
>send kids to fight against giant bugs that don't even know that Earth exists
The bugs didn't even have natural resources in their shitty deserted planets and there was no civil war betweeen them for americucks to mess with as they always do.
>>68091639
>Phil Tippett
>RIP
kek
>>68103259
thanks for the opinion hassan.
>>68092037
Because other side of galaxy is actually hell
>>68103393
Go die for Israel
>>68098540
It really looks like a video game cutscene though
>>68091639
Phil Tippet is so fucking great, the closest thing we'll have to a contemporary Harryhausen. Speaking of which, has anyone else on /tv/ seen this dinokino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlaXIRTjNfo
>>68103259
that's certainly the plan
>>68103481
>america invades iraq
>america loses
All I know is that 5 million muslims have been killed since the invasion and 70% of that was done by their own jihad brothers.
You're doing the job for us hassan, great work!
>>68091031
>How is this possible?
Bugs are easier to render realistically. Doesn't have to be unibody mesh so seams in the model are not an issue. Don't have to worry about soft body dynamics. Things like skin and muscle are more difficult to animate. No hair, no facial animation. It's like animating robots.
>>68103612
He surpassed Harryhausen. Not by a ton - just barely. But he did surpass him.
The reason he never got big the same way Harryhausen did is because you couldn't do tentpole effects pictures with just one guy any more.
>>68098675
But Dina Meyer is also a jew.
>>68092037
I would like to know more
>>68092496
Literally the correct choice for WW2.
>>68098893
fuuu, affordable CGI ruins movies in sense that many people don't even bother to think about this stuff
>>68098540
>no one ever brings up the JJ Abrams levels of lens flare used in MoS
>>68104239
That's because Snyder was emulating Michael Bay excessive lensflare, not JJ Abrams excessive lensflare. Hence MoS lumped with Bayformers.
>>68102933
This is a military that holds live-fire exercises in open-ground settings with other people doing obstacle training close by, with the simulated enemy fire causing you to convulse and shoot off rounds everywhere. They're not trained to win. They're trained to die and contain population growth without having to go through the potential civil war you'd get if you tried to outright gas them.
>>68104391
I believe cinematographer for MoS worked on some Transformers movies
>>68103612
>mfw I just found out Phil Tippets dinosaurs was in that super old video game with dinosaurs my parents gave me when I was 4 years old
guy is based as fuck
>>68105450
Dinosaur 3-D Adventure?
>>68105568
damn straight
I believe they reused some footage of Dinosaur! and put it in the game
>>68091031
>Still wipeing the floor with today's computer effects
![Independence-Day-7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LztGotN.jpg "Independence-Day-7[1].jpg")
Hi.
Is this a joke? If that CGI was released today it would be crucified.
>>68105844
>CGI
2/10 bait
>>68098893
>CGI has always worked extremely well for textures and less so for motion
The firebug looked great, the liquid flameable goo was really well done and the explosion.
>>68105625
![id4bdcap4_original[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Wf3LWLp.jpg "id4bdcap4_original[1].jpg")
>>68106166
You're right, the piratical effects were awesome.
CGI not so much.
>>68106268
i remember seen this shit as a kid
even when the only 3d animation experience ive had was gta:vice city , i've figured that this was shitty as fuck
>>68092459
"MEDIC!"
>>68098893
Correct answer.
CGI Bugs are easy as fuck compared to other animals
>>68106438
What about the shadows? The Firebug?
>>68091175
titanic had giant alien arachni
>>68106438
/Thread
They're praising polygonal simplicity and shading with present day CGI that can be a thousand times more complicated. obviously they they don't know anything about polygons and shading!
Babylon 5, though 20 years old holds up as well and you know why, because the shots were generally simplistic. Battle Star Galactica had way more impressive CGI shots than Babylon 5, albeit Babylon 5's a much better series.
>>68105625
dat uncanny valley
>>68091031
>simple rigs
>easy shaders
>hard surfaces
>insects
This shit is babby-tier CGI
>>68092310
Check out his YouTube channel
http://youtu.be/qLceoQGfK-c
>>68092037
Because Paul Verhoven and the guys that made that film didn't understand the astronomical distances involved with a galaxy. When you actually understand the scale of the universe a star is collossal while the size of the galaxy is almost unimaginable.
>>68106834
>smelling with it's tongue
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
how about we watch it together now on a stream?
what do you think guys
>>68092037
>>68102071
I love how much cgi was in this movie despite trying to market it as 'muh practical' effects. Even the animatronics they used for some of the aliens looked pretty shoddy.
>>68102313
>he doesnt remember the cancelled Starship Troopers MMO
>>68092413
that's the civilian choice, of course.
>>68091031
Why didn't they have air support, tanks or artillery? Why didn't they just glass the planet from orbit?
>>68107546
the mission on this planet was to locate and capture to interrogate the brain-bug to collect informations on the bugs and their other planets
>daily reminder that Izzyfags are literal beta cucks all the way. Carmen is the only choice
>>68107713
>not going for both
fucking faggots
>>68107618
So why no tanks or artillery? Surly tanks would help protect the troops and provide additional firepower while they advance in search. Artillery just in case.
>>68107769
That's the point of the film. It's just bugs, fucking inferior unitelligent bugs.
They underestimate the capacities of the bugs because they hate it so much and see them as pathetic creatures. They think human soldiers going through normal military combat training is enough to beat the bugs.
It fucking fails, it's a mess and a massacre.
Did you even watch it?
Might want to go back to marvel dcuck and disney star wars
Klendathu invasion was supposed to fail btw
>>68101984
>believing in smart bugs
found the retard
>>68107108
TFA had absolutely some abhorrent cgi. The stupid fucking squid things and the midget bitch were like animated kid movie tier. Completely took me out of the movie.
>>68106957
DO IT.
>>68094048
i keep thinking it's peewee herman
>>68106957
I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL THEM ALL
>>68108269
Yeah, i was not expecting them. I really liked the praticals creatures in TFA, i loved them actually.
>>68107108
I hope you're not inferring that webm is CGI, it's stop-motion.
Am I the only one who freeze framed the shower scene to check out his dick? There's a shot where you can see it.
>>68106957
>>68108275
>>68108306
well I don't know how to do it, I'm just the ideas guy :P
>>68108522
you're a faggot.
why would they need support for a war wit h a false flag if it is a non democratic military state? i assumed people did what they wree ordered to in this universe
>>68108468
>casper van dien has a casper the friendly ghost tattoo
based
>>68091248
>muscle animation
>implying you could see their muscles moving through their exoskeleton.
>>68104010
Better choice would be to never had it to begin with by impeaching Woodrow Wilson, the bumbling fuck. One president, creating the wars we would be fighting for the the next 103 years.
Movies outsource a ton of shots to Indians who turn out shit in a week instead of weeks or a month like most other studios have to.
Post production times have been reduced significantly. It used to be that a production studio set the schedule and deadline, now it's the film studio that does. Some of the blame falls on Steven Spielberg who had a tiny post production schedule for War of the Worlds. Producers saw that and were like "Well if Spielberg can do it, so can we" and started hitting effects studios hard with retarded deadlines.
Starship Trooper had Phil Tippet who was adamant about making use of mixed practicals and CGI. Each shot is storyboarded, framed, and shot to blend into CGI, and each shot took weeks to produce.
Today, if you can't turn around multiple shots in a couple of weeks, the producers don't want to talk to you or they hardball you for less money.
Every hollywood blockbuster follows the modern schedule and that's why the effects don't age well and they come out looking like crap (lol Wolverine), because it's more about meeting the blockbuster release date than it is about making the shot look good.
Lots of CGI is used in none blockbuster films, usually for set extensions, or scene and setting backdops and you all barely notice it, but that's because these are for movies who don't have a ton of CGI shots to run through so they allow for the artists to work longer on those shots to make it look real.
>>68108468
JUST
dont do meth kids
I'm downloading it right now, might have something up on twitch in 30 mins or so. or hitbox?
>>68108571
Because it masks itself as democratic and doesn't want the people to rise up.
>>68107981
it would have been a lot cheaper, faster, and easier to just nuke the fucking planet.
>>68108759
not bad for mid 40s
>>68108571
even in democratic states you need to keep people in a climate of fear so that they support military action without question.
cc: Bush
cc: Frank Underwood season 4 finale
>>68092037
They nuked their own city to justify invading another world.
>>68107981
No, that's not the point of the film.
>>68108664
I think his point is that the bugs are easier to animate specifically because you can't see muscles moving through an exoskeleton.
>>68107981
>Did you even watch it?
Yea long ago and I remember them capturing those bugs - the cow scene. They studied them and should know their fighting capability. It's retarded they don't have armor or heavy guns.
>>68093015
It wasn't based on the book. The script already existed pretty much in its current form and the Starships Troopers name was tacked on to sell it.
Veerhoven had nothing to do with how the script was written
>>68093105
Most of the script was already written before the director was even booked. They just changed a few names here and there to turn 'Bug Hunt At Outpost Nine' into 'Starship Troopers' to sell it
>>68092827
He didn't write it.
>>68093260
Bollocks it is.
The movie is dumb. Its a 100% retarded Labrador chasing it's own tail. Awesome, but dumb as a sack full of hammers.
It isn't a criticism of the book. And if it was a criticism at all, it'd be a criticism of what some guy who couldn't be bothered to read the book thought the book might have said (but didn't). But it's not even that.
Its just a dumb fun action piece about a war with some giant bugs that no one should look too deeply into. Because as has been established, in the intelligence department its a toddler with too many chromosomes staggering around with shit in his big boy pants.
>>68109746
you're vastly underappreciating Verhoeven. Starship and Showgirls are critiques on America.
>>68094048
He's one of those guys who's had bit parts in OVER 9000 things.
>>68109565
you mean like usa invading iraq without armored vehicles?
history it rhymes. pottery
>>68109746
>'d be a criticism of what some guy who couldn't be bothered to read the book thought the book might have said
Except that's what happened. The bugs of the book aren't just some aggressive macrolobsters, they're another humanoid species. The whole book highlights the mixed importance of service and a strong country, while not just believing what you're told. A soft cruelty.
>>68109746
one day you will mature a little bit and realize just how awesome verhoeven is and how robocop and starship troopers are mirrors to america.
>>68109746
>Oh yeah, sure. "Robocop" is different — it was appreciated from the very beginning. But "Starship Troopers" was not. It was trashed by the media as a fascist movie. They didn't realize the movie's essence: That your heroes are fascists. Certainly Robert A. Heinlein had militaristic attitudes in his book. We wanted to attack that, in fact. So we transformed the book by doing it and criticizing what we were doing at the same time. You can feel it in the hyperbolic quality of all the media and that whole message: "Let's go and attack."
Do you want me to throw up a stream on hitbox with the movie?
>>68110252
>It was trashed by the media as a fascist movie.
>mfw I've had two different army guys tell me it's their favourite movie and a reason they joined up
>mfw people can't even grasp the most obvious of "hidden" movie-messages
>>68110623
>>mfw I've had two different army guys tell me it's their favourite movie and a reason they joined up
that's fucking terrifying.
>>68110252
All traditional hero archetypes are "fascistic". That is indeed the irony that people never seem to grasp, especially as these heroes are always used to fight for liberal values in movies. People are happy to have the values of the Marine Corp do their dirty work for them, but then despise anyone who suggests those values have a place within the societies they defend.
>>68110599
JUST DO IT
>>68110721
Tell me about it. Both times I was sure they were being ironic.
>>68092956
The heart of darkness takes place in Africa, what's your point?
>>68110912
Were they?
>>68110623
I love the movie, and I've served (British army though).
Don't kid yourself. Everyone knows Starship Troopers is not meant to be pro-war. Its problem is that its just not a very good anti-war movie. A great movie, sure. Just not a very good anti-war one (to the point where i'm half confident it was never meant to be one, and artistic depth has been added to it after the fact as they realised people were actually looking into it more deeply).
Anyone who is genuinely interested in the military is going to look at all the points its totally retarded on (too numerous to count, but stuff like the weapons not having sights or the military boot camp so retardedly and badly run unsafe its like something from 1930's Russia) and just the general ridiculously narmy tone of the whole thing and just laugh at it. It can't deliver any serious messages about military life - It's a damn parody.
Plus, yknow. For all the stupidity of the humans in this movie, they still manage to triumph over the inferior bug forces and be heroes.
A more 'realistic', different toned Starship Troopers would be a seriously depressing nightmarish and probably pretty effective anti-war movie.
Besides. People join the army because the army gives you a sense of purpose, it's interesting and you have a lot of fun getting the shit kicked out of you with your friends. The price for that is occasionally your or one of your friends blows up.
But fuck it. You want to live forever?
>>68110721
>>68110912
Ive been in the army, and one of my favorite things in the world is 40k guardsmen. Who are basically Starship Troopers soldiers with better justification for their shitty situation and scaled waaaaaay up.
What's your point?
>>68091031
>this film is going to be 20 years old next year
>>68111065
Did you join up because you thought 40k was awesome? Sure hope not.
>>68111128
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wargaming
You really don't understand the military, do you? Wargaming has been an autistic gentlemen's hobby forever. It's party of the male mind. Men are wired for tactics and strategy from infancy.
>>68110979
>Everyone knows Starship Troopers is not meant to be pro-war.
Yeah, that's totally why people and reviewers think it's a fascist movie and why every time there's a thread about it on here there's people who don't grasp the blindingly obvious "sub-text".
>>68111128
>>68111205
It's also the etymological origin of the term 'gamer' btw. It predates video games. In fact, the earliest electronic games were war simulations.
>>68111205
I'm pretty sure an insurgency can't be overcome by abusing deployment zone rules.
>>68096546
Titanic barely had any CGI aside from compositing the wide-shots of the ship and a few people falling off the ship while it sunk, most of the time things were actual sets and miniatures, I love Titanic because it's literally the 90's version of a 60's epic in which they pulled no punches and built real-size replicas of the ship with thousands of extras running around.
>>68091031
It looks just as fake as any other CGI.
>le nostalgia goggles and bias for le EBIN sci fi genreshit!!!
>>68110979
wew, where to start.
you don't need realism to build a critique. it IS a parody; that's where the critique flourishes into black comedy. Some of the best deconstructions of fascist (or communist) states are parodic in nature (see: Romanian New Wave, Czech New Wave, The Great Dictator, etc).
It's not about military life, it's about the over zealous militarism. No one gives a shit if the weapons have sights on them; that's far from the point.
>>68111259
>>68111205
Go back to /tg/.
>>68111128
Yes. I joined up because i wanted to run at the enemy while screaming "Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!"
More seriously, no. (And no, i have never actually done that - though if i ever got into a bayonet charge i would totally have considered it).
I joined up mostly for philosophical reasons. I'm frightened to hell of dying, but since i'm going to die anyway, I'd rather get a surprise death doing something dangerous but interesting than slowly choking on my own fluids at 80. So i am a cowardly death seeker.
Yes. I got teased for that reasoning.
Right now i'm taking a break to bum around with all my military savings, but I'm considering going back in after a years up. It's either that or go work as an electrician again.
>>68091031
Chitin if easy. Even so, some of the big bugs looked bad.
>>68098540
Remove the black bars out of any of these blockbusters and they look 90% cheaper
>>68111399
>though if i ever got into a bayonet charge i would totally have considered it).
>>68111290
Hehe, no. Though, that's why there are hundreds of different games and rule-sets over the years. I doubt people would be satisfied with some tin soldier rule-set from the 1890's.
>>68111393
A perfect example of the kind of person who sneers at the generals and tacticians who gave him a comfortable life. Respect autistic hyper-masculinity.
>>68111368
Alright, true. Saying a parody can't criticize was just retarded of me when that's basically the very point of parodies.
Maybe its that i dont think its a very good parody then? I dont know. I just overall consider it too ridiculous and B-Movie-ish (if that makes sense) to be able to make any serious points.
>>68092037
Are you implying fascism isn't the best form of governance?
Everytime I remember that most of the time the actors acting scared of the bugs is just the actors reacting to Paul Verhoeven jumping and shouting like a maniac I chuckle
Why can't films be fun again? What happened to Paul Verhoeven, what the fuck is he doing nowadays?
>>68111481
Don't judge a man for his petty pleasures.
If fighting Jack Churchill could kill men with a longbow and carry a broadsword into battle, I'm allowed to shout memes while stabbing someone to death.
>>68111497
Nobody was arguing the quality of the parody in the first place. Only weeping at people who couldn't grasp that it was a parody in the first place.
>>68092413
>swn beat you up
;_;
>>68111549
Chilling in a coffin.
>>68111111
>>68092956
In the book, the bugs even have energy weapons and starships, so they used the starships to launch the asteroids if I remember right.
Makes a bunch more sense than a lucky ass blast by a giant bug to blast an asteroid out of Klendathu's orbit at a specific city, much less a specific planet.
