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https://youtu.be/vs3sVrm_W4o
>>67904598
4chan is 18+, little guy.
>>67904598
>honest trailers
Nah son
>>67904598
>MaRey Sue
>>67905046
at we all agree on that
>>67904598
>TFA
>Honest trailers
Kill yourself
>>67904757
>>67904819
>>67905160
OP posted this because it has a Mike as Plinkett cameo in it.
Though clearly he should have mentioned that in his post because I can't see any reason why /tv/ would watch Honest Trailers otherwise.
>butthole eyes
glad someone finally said it
MR PLINKETT
>"I'm the original Honest Trailers voice!"
Am I supposed to understand this?
What the fuck is the point of referential humour if you're going to reference yourself?
Is Kathleen Kennedy to blame for Rey? All she talked about at Star Wars celebration was "muh strong female characters" and wanting more powerful women in the series. And, despite JJ's flaws as a director, he doesn't really write Mary Sues.
>two voice-over guys arguing whether or not the movie's good
Honestly, you couldn't have a better HT. All of the conversation surrounding the movie is really polarized; there's almost no real consensus on it.
>>67906525
Lawrence Kasdan wrote the movie so neither of them are responsible.
>>67906896
>producers don't have major input into the creative process
A lot of the early ideas came from conversations Kathleen had with JJ.
>>67906896
JJ and Kasdan co-wrote it. Early story developments were the two of them walking around and pitching ideas to each other.
>Marey Sue
ok i laughed
>>67907239
It's funny because it's true.
>muh Rey sue
Great critics you lot are.
TFA is so much better than TPM that it's laughable.
>>67904598
>a new hope
STOP CALLING THE FIRST STAR WARS THAT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>67905046
top kek
>>67907467
they're the same fucking thing, don't even pretend
>diet speilberg
That asshole is nothing like Speilberg.
If anything, he's Jackson lite.
>>67907467
stfu
>>67904598
The Force Awakens felt like a comedy, a gag you'd see on Family Guy or something or another, probably Robot Chicken. It was nothing but to remind you the original trilogy exists, like we haven't had shoved down our throats for the past 10 years in countless shows and movies like The Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother. The only thing which makes it even memorable is Han's death and even that is underwhelming, Abrams just tacked it on at the end so it wouldn't be a forgettable pile of shit we all thing it is.
>>67907467
And yet you faggots know deep down inside, the piece of shit doesn't even touch the original trilogy.
>inb4 muh ewoks
Fuck off! RoTJ was good.
>>67907467
>TFAbabies so deluded they think that their movie is good so long as it's better than TPM
>it's not
fucking jej
the only way to be more cucked is to wear glasses.
>>67907667
>>67907738
>>67907750
>it's a prequels were better than TFA thread
Looks like I came to the wrong part of town. Better leave before I smash my laptop in anger.
>>67907960
please smash your laptop, it's the least you can do to redeem defending shitty movies on the internet.
>>67907960
>TFA
>good
You should probably smash your laptop. It's only a good Gateway after all.
>>67907960
It's funny you think that's some achievement. Prequels sucked, TFA sucked. Later people will admit TFA sucked too when the novelty has worn off.
>>67908009
>>67908044
TFA is better than Fury Road.
>>67907960
You should do it anyway.
Faggots like you don't belong on the internet, spreading their cancerous opinions.
>>67907960
There were only three prequels, and one was decent at least.
TFA/Disney Wars is going full MCU and will be pumping out 3-5 movies every year.
The only one that might, MIGHT, be decent is the rumored Kenobi movie, but solely because he was one of the two well-cast actors from the prequels.
Ironic, that Abrams could save the series he loved from Lucas, but not from himself.
>>67908125
TFA is well-acted. It's mediocre at the very worst. The people claiming that it "sucked" are the same idiotic binary thinkers that are only capable of giving movies 1/10s or 10/10s. They're incapable of having an intelligent discussion about both a movie's flaws and its triumphs.
>It's a Max Landis Takes Credit for Everything episode.
https://twitter.com/Uptomyknees/status/717423080281387008
>>67908238
>TFA/Disney Wars is going full MCU and will be pumping out 3-5 movies every year.
That a judgement of future projects, not of TFA. It's irrelevant.
>>67908244
>well-acted
I'll give you well-produced and bringing impressive CG, but that's what you'd expect from a movie with so much money pumped into it.
>>67905755
>Becky Lynch
Good post
>>67908283
This entire video was a word-for-word rip-off of other people's opinions.
Not that different people can't have similar thoughts independently, but this is the internet hivemind distilled into a single video. 0% original content.
>>67908285
Maybe not to the TFA vs. TPM debate, but certainly if we're going to compare the prequels as a whole against at least three disney movies it's relevant.
>it's a "Screen Junkies sucking Max Landis dick and hoping aboard the 'Rey is a Mary Sue' meme" episode
*yawn*
>>67908314
>implying Adam Driver didn't legit give the best performance in the series
Ridley and Boyega were meh, but meh is a stepup from the awful prequels.
>>67908244
It was piss poor for a fucking star wars movie.
Well-acted my ass. Ford was clearly there to collect his paycheck and Daisy Ridly is a shit actor.
It's obvious the only reason she got a starring role in this film is because she had to suck some serious Disney executive cock to get it.
>>67908283
literally lifted from an anon's post here on /tv/.
fuck landis and anyone that defends him
>>67908359
This is only a discussion we can have once those movies come out. Rian Johnson is a good director.
>>67908244
Good acting? What, from the emo villain or the mary sue? Good acting doesn't save a movie. It's a copy of EP4, wanna watch Star Wars? Then watch episode 4. TFA is a Disney movie at its core, all safe choices, being as careful as they can not to upset the zelot fanboys. And then all those retards praise the movie, or people like you, "mediocre at the very worst." Disney just wants to print as many movies as they can and make as much money they can, they're not good storytellers.
I brought some Pizzarolls in my underpants.
they kinda overdid that stupid voice switching joke
Cinemasins is way better
>>67908384
>It was piss poor for a fucking star wars movie.
Given that half of the Star Wars movies are objectively some of the worst high budget films ever made, this is a ridiculously hyperbolic statement.
>Well-acted my ass.
Name a better performance in the series than Adam Driver's.
>>67907467
>ep 1 sets up and fleshes out the entire series and answers more questions than it raises
>ep 7 doesn't even work as a self contained film much less as a sequel to 6 movies
Episode 1 was a better movie.
>>67908460
Episode I is more of a copy of Episode IV than TFA is. But nice meme regardless.
>emo villain
You mean the most interesting character in the series after Palpatine?
>>67908499
Episode 1 HAD to address a lot of answers because it was a prequel.
Episode 7 addressed a lot of questions because it's a sequel.
>>67908394
Earliest iteration of MaRey Sue I could find:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/63759478/#63759907
Tweet this at him please.
>>67906457
ask archer or arrested development
>>67908499
>judging the quality of a film based on how few questions one has after its over
This might be the most autistic metric of all time. Congrats.
>>67908481
Cinemasins is only good when they're riffing bad movies. But most of the time they sin Hollywood cash cows to rake in millions of views.
>>67908377
>best performance in the series
>the series
You're putting Adam Driver up against Alec Guinness, Peter Cushing, James Earl Jones, Ian Diarmond, and concluding he comes out on top?
Come on now, he's a competent actor going in and did give a good performance, but putting him on top of Neeson, McGregor or even Hamill would be a stretch.
>>67908552
Comparing a shit movie to a shit movie makes sense, kouhai.
>emo villain
>You mean the most interesting character in the series after Palpatine?
You mean the character that played everyone and they all acted like morons? The character that told Anakin word for word he's a sith and he still didn't get it?
>better Anakin
>>67908681
Yes I am. The reason I am isn't because Adam Driver is a better actor, it's simply that he gave a better individual performance than they did. His career best is better than their career worst. Names don't impress me. Al Pacino and Daniel Day Lewis have been in bad films.
>but putting him on top of Neeson, McGregor or even Hamill would be a stretch.
That's fucking absurd. I couldn't understand James Earl Jones, but Hamill and Neeson gave very mediocre performances.
>>67908552
Where was the podrace in ANH?
The Tatooine arc as a whole?
Don't say the Trench Run, because the link to that is clearly the attack on the droid control ship. Don't say the Tatootine opening either, because in terms of conflicts and purpose in the narrative they're completely different, even if the planet is the same.
>>67908706
>You mean the character that played everyone and they all acted like morons? The character that told Anakin word for word he's a sith and he still didn't get it?
That's not Palpatine's fault, though. That's the fault of everyone around him.
>>67908785
This is a stupid argument because you can just as easily point to scenes in TFA that don't have counterparts in ANH. Doesn't mean that they aren't similar.
>>67908781
>emo villain
>better performance
mate with that face he can only play rapists
>>67908499
>>ep 7 doesn't even work as a self contained film much less as a sequel to 6 movies
this statement makes no sense.
Surprising Mike would agree to this voice cameo when the essentially trash his new favorite Star Wars movie.
Mike even bitched about Rey being called a Mary Sue and they specifically make fun of her character for that.
>>67908889
There's a difference between small scenes and entire arcs.
>>67908781
You're mistaking Hamill and Neeson's honesty for mediocrity.
Not everyone needs to throw emotions all over the place to give a good performance.
>>67908894
>mate with that face he can only play rapists
That's the point you dolt. He literally mind raped Rey
>>67909050
>Not everyone needs to throw emotions all over the place to give a good performance.
I agree, which is why Peter Cushing was good. But giving a subtle performance is different from giving a boring, enervate performance.
>>67909108
rey is too strong and independent to get mind raped. she mind raped him.
>>67907467
>TFA is so much better than TPM that it's laughable.
Well duh TFA is just a remake of ANH so it should be better.
>>67908994
A boy raised on the desert planet of Tatooine leaves in order to train as a Jedi. The boy's master dies before he's able to train him. The boy then saves the day by blowing up a large enemy structure with a spaceship and receives an award in a large ceremony at the end. Is this the basic synopsis for Episode I or Episode IV?
>>67908244
>TFA is well-acted.
>>67909171
but will they rape each other physically?
>>67909262
Obi Wan died in ANH, so of course you're describing TPM.
Come on now.
Of course you've oversimplified in order to force your opinion on me that TFA > TPM.
>>67909315
That's not even a controversial opinion. Even the negative reviews concede this.
>>67909315
Easily the most well-acted of all seven.
>>67909315
TFA is well-acted you fucking pleb. It's downright the best of the entire series.
>>67906525
I imagine it was like
>Abrams: This is the part where Finn saves her from Kylo Ren
>Kennedy: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
>>67909050
Hamill was kind of shitty in the first one tbqh. He even says in some interview from 1978 that he didn't know what he was doing, he didn't know whether they wanted him to treat it seriously or ham it up. A good actor knows these things.
>>67909163
Peter Cushing was amazing. Rewatch him with a Kylo Ren type character in mind. Without throwing temper tantrums or giving evil speeches, you can tell that he enjoys his power and authority even though he does it on a very professional level.
>>67908927
>Surprising Mike would agree to this voice cameo when the essentially trash his new favorite Star Wars movie.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>>67909315
Well yes, TFA is well-acted. What did you expect from a movie that starred the great Adam Driver?
TFA really was a good film, it's just that the CG ruined it.
>>67909315
>open gif
>wait for something to happen
>mfw 30 secs later
>>67909376
>Even the negative reviews concede this.
>>67909428
>Easily the most well-acted of all seven.
>>67909449
>TFA is well-acted you fucking pleb. It's downright the best of the entire series.
>>67909493
>Well yes, TFA is well-acted
>>67909376
>>67909428
Please stop with the shitposting, my sides can't take anymore.
>>67909498
It's like you're describing TPM.
God what a terrible movie. I'm glad TFA and Disney are saving us from the prequels.
>>67909376
>>67909428
>>67909449
>>67909493
What's with the samefagging?
>>67909370
>Obi Wan died in ANH, so of course you're describing TPM.
Obi Wan, Qui Gon. Both die. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
>dumb contrarians are at it again.
it's not funny anymore, guys
>>67909606
>>67909606
It's the only way the TFA shills can make themselves heard. Otherwise they get drowned out by how terrible the flick was.
>>67909606
Check the time between posts, you idiot.
>>67909673
>drowned out voices
>the 92% of critics are being drowned out by the 8%
>>67909546
I personally can't wait for Episode VIII: The MaRey Sue Strikes Back.
>>67909669
how long have you been posting here, be honest.
>>67909669
Nice photoshop there bud but you missed a spot.
>>67909709
it's okay, shill. you can stop now. we don't care.
>>67909709
>92% of critics post on /tv/
I'm willing to increase my post timer just to meme at you.
>>67904598
Does this mean Mike will be on Movie Fights?
>It's a "Buy the Bluray shill thread" thread
>if rey wasn't so good, 4Chan would complain because a nigger saved the day
Let's stop being edgelords and talk Star Wars like adults. The Force Awakens is objectively the second best Star Wars movie, Empire Strikes Back is barely better because it was so well-written. Besides that, TFA was well-acted, engaging, fun and fresh as shit.
The only conversations you could have with a friend about The Phantom Menace are about how shitty it is. Don't pretend like Kylo Ren isn't one of the most complex star wars characters ever. I'm more interested by his character than the entire cast of TPM put together. The prequels were retarded videogames for idiots who like shiny things and inept storytelling.
>>67908496
>Name a better performance in the series than Adam Driver's.
Since when is smashing things and screaming good acting? Guy was flat the whole movie. There was no conflict he was able to express. He was Anikin 2.0 and ocassionally smashed something because "i guess it's time now to show how super conflicted he is". Storm Troopers walking away was fun though.
>>67909821
>fresh
I wasn't aware that copying the old plot and imagery and items and character types and locations was considered "fresh".
>>67909854
>Since when is smashing things and screaming good acting?
He does that twice. That's not a summation of his entire performance. There are subtle things, like the really long strides when it walks, the way he head-acts when he has the helmet on. Compare that someone like Vader, who was voiced by a great actor but played by a bad one.
>>67909821
While I agree with you that TFA was a better movie than TPM, I'm going to have to cut in, because I maintain that RotJ was also just slightly better than TFA.
Both feature the return of absurd planet-destroying weapons, which is a clever satire of the far too serious ANH. If ESB hadn't been such a clever deconstruction of the characters, Star Wars wouldn't have lasted so long at all. RotJ was significant because it proved that more Star Wars movies could be produced that explored the same themes from a light-hearted, family-friendly standpoint, and also managed to effectively retconn and erase the blunder that was ANH out of existence, just as JJ Abrams has done with TFA erasing the hated prequels.
>>67909854
If you could tell there was conflict, even if you didn't think his performance portrayed that, then you clearly understood its presence in the first place. That comes as a result of the performance or good filmmaking.
>nigga when did he even scream
>implying kylo ren couldn't kill anakin
>>67909710
nah they re-wrote the script after the critics.
>maybe it was because of china flop and then the add the new asian actress
>or it was rey`s marey sueism
even with a mary sue mc i liked the movie.
>all this shitposting because someone honestly believes TFA is better than TPM
I wish baneposting hadn't brought all these retards to the board. It used to be only the occassional /v/irgin who mistyped the URL who'd bring dumb opinions here, but now a solid 92% of the posters are clueless shitposters.
>>67909821
No, TFA is behind Empire and New Hope, respectively.
TFA takes the same basic plot of a New Hope and doesn't improve upon it. They had a similar plot because they wanted to appease fans of the originals and new fans.
>>67909965
Where's the Poe Dameron, Kylo Ren, Unkar Plutt, Kanjiklub and Rathtar in Star Wars
>quit calling it a new hope
Serious question, why do the SW fanboys get so hurt when someone says that the TFA wasn't that great? I mean Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles made a shit ton of money and everyone knows those films are bad. I don't see any TMNT fanboys screaming about how well acted those movies are. It just seems to be embarrassing (funny as hell though) for someone getting all worked up because someone else doesn't like what they like to the point they are blindly defending every aspect of it.
>>67909821
>more interested in whiny teenager than obi wan kenobi, qui gon jin, darth maul, and young (though badly acted) anakin
kill yourself kiddo
>>67910013
he kinda scream "GUAAAAAARDSS" when rey escapes from her cell.
>>67910120
>why do the SW fanboys get so hurt when someone says that the TFA wasn't that great?
It's called an internet forum. When people disagree, discussions tend to break out. Calling one side "butthurt" is just a way to try to delegitimize their views. You can just as easily ask why prequel-fags are butthurt when someone likes TFA.
>>67910120
It's still debated, but the most reasonable rankings are placing TFA below RotS and above or equal to TPM.
Something like 5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 7 = 1 > 2 is common. Check the archives if you don't believe me.
For the movie that was supposed to make up for the sequels, not join them, it's something of an embarrassment.
>>67910013
no i really didn't get the connection until everybody started linking it to some sort of inner conflict. First time in theatres it seemed like stupid overacting. They try to link him to vader and vader used to kill his officers when things went south. So him smashing equipment never appeared to me as "that deep inner conflict of Kyle" rather than "oh well i guess he doesn't kill and just does this". I see no depth in this characters. If his portrayal serves a deeper meaning to you i guess you're well of. I wanted to like 7 but the only worse SW film is episode 2.
>>67910128
>more interested in old dead guy, characterless liam neeson, retard in paint who fights like an acrobat and the kid from jingle all the way than a conflicted, confused person who was seduced to the dark side even though he isn't really evil and is horrified by having to commit pesticide to prove his false evil nature to himself
You die first
>>67910120
The film is a critical success. Stop pretending that that it's objectively bad, like TMNT. Disliking it is a minority opinion, not a mainstream one.
>>67910120
isn't not SW fanboys. SW fans love making fun of SW. it's just sjws trying to defend their new bastion of feminism and diversity.
>>67910199
epi 3 is pure shit.
5>4>6=7>>>>>1>3>>>>2
>>67910243
>Disliking it is a minority opinion, not a mainstream one.
Ya mean kinda like the prequels?
>>67910199
>7=1
Yeah, that's a troll ranking.
>>67910243
The Dark Knight Rises was a critical success.
>>67910243
>>67910199
I made a mistake.
I said "above or equal to" but typed "=" instead of ">=".
The high-points of TPM are superior to those of TFA, but the low points are far, far worse.
btfo
>>67907467
Being better than TPM and being good are completely different things.
>>67910313
And guess what? It's not that bad. It's a 6/10. It's a goddamn masterpiece compared to what Snyder did.
>>67910327
>>67910286
meant to reply to this one.
Oops.
>>67910356
>batman v superman
>triggered.gif
>>67910327
>he high-points of TPM are superior to those of TFA
The scenes early on on Jakku are better than any single scene in TPM.
>>67910286
nah i'd rank it the same. I can see people ranking 7 above 1 because midiclorians and that's a valid complain because it's stupid . But other than that i'd rather rewatch TPM for the 20th time than TFA for a third.
>>67910243
If we're going off RT rankings, TFA is worse than Iron Man.
>>67910387
Pod Race > Millennium Falcon chase.
>>67910399
>But other than that i'd rather rewatch TPM f
Because it came out when you were 9 and you still associate Star Wars with that movie. It's the same reason some people like the objectively bad Return of the Jedi.
>>67909821
but the movie wasn't actually very good at all
it simply wasn't good
>>67910096
>Unkar Plutt is an important character, guys! Totally not just a plot point.
An overseer on a desert planet who controls the Force-sensitive main character's life and whose property is stolen to advance the plot: hello Watto.
>Kanjiklub
A bunch of thugs? This is important? What about them is unique or interesting? The guys on Jabba's float and palace were the exact same. Greedo was a gangster looking for Han; Han landing in hot water and being pursued by lowlife thugs is nothing new.
>Kylo Ren
The one thing that's unique: a villain with a serious inferiority complex and a very obvious and open and lame attempt at drawing on the father-son conflict that was a huge part of the original trilogy.
>Rathtar
Sarlacc with legs.
>not talking about Rey
Hahahahaha yeah that's what I thought.
I wouldn't call it A New Hope if they hadn't broadcast the Death Star onscreen and compared it to their NotDeath Star and concluded it wasn't a Death Star because it was bigger.
>>67910407
What are you trying to say? The first Iron Man was great.
Wanna know how you can tell TFA is a bad movie?
Posting "TFA > TPM" spawns some 100+ shitposts with little relation to the specific OP topic.
>>67910483
I agree. It was great.
>>67907504
fuck off manchildren.
>>67910505
Posting either "Batman v Superman is good" or "Batman v Superman is bad" elicits the same response. Also, a movie's fanbase says nothing about the quality of that movie.
>>67904598
I can't believe I sat through this diarrhea just to realize that Mike instead of bashing their heads, has let these cheap whores suck his dick
>>67910455
I said the scenes on Jakku. Rey sliding down the sand dune while the engines of a derelict Star Destroyer is in the background is better than any scene in TPM.
>>67907467
Sure. But who says you have to like the prequels to dislike TFA? I don't care for either. Stop with the false dichotomy shitposting.
>>67910458
but i like RotJ. The Endor stuff was boring but at least it had ideas. Death Star was great. Jabbas palace was great. Everything Luke and Emperor was great. Also i was 12. I don't have too much nostalgia goggles anymore. I liked the prequels when i was young although i always thought episode 2 was the worst because boring as fuck. Then i started to look at them differently due to plinkett. Then i rewatched them before TFA and they are still great. Real Star Wars films with creative settings and storys rather then copycats of the other films.
>>67910497
If I use the main characters, we go into a discussion that's already been had a million times.
>no poe dameron equivalent
>no finn equivalent
>no rathtar equivalent, sarlacc served a different purpose
>unkar controls the whole village and offers food in return for scrap, watto was a jew stereotype who kept a slave, not the same shit
Try harder
>>67910782
>Real Star Wars films with creative settings and storys rather then copycats of the other films.
Which explains your love for Death Star 2.0 in Jedi? And your love for the lame "pottery" in the prequels? And the fact that Episode I copies its stories from Episode IV. Like the prequels, but don't fucking pretend that they're examples of originality.
>>67910724
it's like a scene ripped from a fucking fan film. A high budget fan film but a fan film none the less. "Hey do you remember Star Destroyers? How frickin epic would it be to explore a crashed one? HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND!"
Lucas would have never done this shit.
>>67910792
JJ's images are just so much better than Lucas's. They're so much more tasteful and iconic.
>>67910458
Jedi is a mess, but it does a lot of things very well thematically. Luke, Vader, and the Emperor are all handled in a very satisfying way, as is the space battle despite the Death Star redundancy. It's a very flawed but ultimately good movie. It's, for all its problems, a pretty interesting and conclusive capstone.
>>67904598
I'm surprised they were this harsh on TFA.
>>67910910
Oh, you piece of shit. The notion that Lucas wouldn't insert fan service for no other reason than "hey remember this!" is a fucking lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs
Also, that Star Destroyer isn't there just 'cause, it's there because the planet itself is a junkyard, and Rey scavenges parts. In other words it serves a narrative purpose, unlike 90% of the references in the prequels.
>>67910960
It wasn't that harsh at all.
>>67910724
>using "scene" when you meant "shot".
I hate to nitpick in a thread full of shitposting, but I'm going to anyway.
"Scene" refers to a far longer section of time. There's a reason DVDs have a "Scene Selection" menu instead of a "shot selection" menu.
This is nitpicking your terminology rather than your argument, mind you.
As for the argument, good choreography doesn't make a good movie.
Enter the Void comes to mind.
>>67910862
The Death Star in Jedi serves a completely different purpose than in AnH. While 4 and 7 have a death star as ultimate weapon which is about to destroy all that is good the DS2 serves as bait. We never get even near it blowing up another planet. It just sits there. Sure it would become a threat in the long run. But for the movie it's to lure out the rebellion. It's used very differently than in Episode 4. And that's why i like the DS 2.0 pretty well but hate the DS3 in TFA.
>>67910982
A few of these were reaching a bit still funny.
>>67911011
>As for the argument, good choreography doesn't make a good movie.
I wasn't referring to the composition or the choreography, I was referring to the iconography. How the scene communicates everything about the time that has passed since the OT, what Jakku is, and what Rey does in a single shot.
>>67911006
Compared to how other "critics" pretty much gave this movie a free pass for not being as bad as the prequels, i would say they were pretty harsh.
>>67909472
Hamill was awful in ANH, but I thought he became legitimately good in ESB and ROTJ.
>>67911086
Why do people think of critics as some sort of hivemind? You do realize that a contrarian critic gets more page views, right? They have no reason to conform.
>>67910807
>been had a million times
Says something that so many people see the similarities, doesn't it?
Finn was unique, I will be happy to admit that. He just wasn't well done, so his uniqueness was lost. He went from "scared child soldier who wanted to be free" to comic relief/has no problem shooting at his fellow soldiers in seconds. That's the problem with the movie: everything that was actually unique was either boring or a part of the scenery or it actively sucked. Phasma was unique and she sucked because she was set up as a diehard First Order and warrior who then gave up the keys to the heroes without so much as a fight.
No, you can try harder. You're producing all these minor characters with minor differences from the originals that don't matter because they serve the exact same purpose (a monster isn't a monster, seriously? What about the mynocs? Close enough for you?). A fence with paint on it is the same thing as a fence.
Please, do tell me how the NotDeath Star is unique. Tell me how the hotshot pilot who had all of several minutes of the movie was important. "He took part in the X-wing run!" Yeah, so did every other pilot in A New Hope, and that was done much better, too.
>>67911086
If the best prequel was generally deemed at least passable by critics and the force awakens is better, then don't act surprised when people say that it's good by default.
>>67911178
>Why do people think of critics as some sort of hivemind?
Because they were (for this movie anyways)?
Even RLM that is completely autistic about the Star Wars movies gave this one a good review.
>>67911188
>has no problem shooting at his fellow soldiers in seconds.
People who make this argument haven't seen the film. He's incredibly reluctant. Attempts to run away, and only shoots back in self defense until he gets the light saber. His reluctance was sort of the entire thematic point of his character.
Daily reminder that if Lucas didn't let Disney make TFA, this is what we'd have instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVrMP8us6Q
>>67911238
That could be because - and stay with me now -it's a good movie.
>>67911198
>If the best prequel was generally deemed at least passable by critics and the force awakens is better
Yeah, i guess you are right about that.
Even Roger Ebert liked TPM, so i guess critics liking this one is no suprise
>>67911247
He was the one shooting when Poe was flying the TIE fighter.
>>67911280
>it's a good movie.
Nah. It was liked, because it was deemed a "progressive" movie with a "strong female character".
>>67911188
Do you understand Star Wars? The monomyth, and how it borrows from ancient archetypes? Plot similarities are worth pointing out, but the Star Wars protagonists have always come from a small pool of recurring character types.
>>67911188
Poe Dameron is always important because he's Oscar Isaac. That's unargueagainstable.
Starkiller served more of a purpose than the Death Star. The Death Star was a space station with a cannon that destroyed planets and housed TIE fighters and some stormtroopers. Plus, it needed major internal damage such as the deactivation of shields and the destruction of an oscillator before a huge group of X-Wings finally started the chain reaction that would eventually cause planetary collapse. Even the destruction of the bad guy's base was different.
Minor details help form a bigger picture, so including a fucking monster, a fat guy and Oscar Isaac are valid enough differences to mention.
>>67911338
And here we have it. The source of why /tv/ hates it so much: a film starring a woman and a black directed by a Jew. It really had no chance.
>>67911417
>but the Star Wars protagonists have always come from a small pool of recurring character types.
It doesn't have to be though.
They could have gone with Finn as the protagonist.
It would have been really cool to see a stormtrooper becoming a jedi master.
Instead we got a female version of Luke that is even more of a Mary Sue and even more bland.
>>67911291
He mostly shoots turrets in that sequence. And that counts as running away.
>>67911493
Running away while shooting in the direction of the people he had lived and worked with his entire life. What's the likelihood that those turrets were not manned?
>>67911463
>The source of why /tv/ hates it so much
I'm talking about as to why the movie was so liked by the critics, and not why /tv/ hates it.
Take the progressive politics out of this movie and do you seriously think it would still have been this well recieved (specially when you consider that half of the reviews on RT praise the movie for its strong female character)?
You are full of shit.
>>67911439
>so including a fucking monster, a fat guy and Oscar Isaac are valid enough differences to mention.
If you believe that then I just can't help you.
>>67911586
I think you could get away with not using Boyega and the critics wouldn't change their tune much.
But it's dangerous to look directly at a female character and call her overpowered.
>>67911557
>What's the likelihood that those turrets were not manned?
100%. Those weren't manned turrets.
>>67911586
Explain why a progressive film like Maleficent got negative reviews
>>67911586
Star Wars wasn't written to be socially progressive and is considered one of the best movies of all time.
Become the an hero that Gotham deserves...
>>67911658
Not using Boyega as the main protagonist was the biggest sin of this movie.
He was way more interesting than Rey.
>>67911739
It wasn't just the progressive politics though.
Everyone wants Star Wars to be good again. So a movie that isn't as bad as the prequels + plus the progressive politics = good reviews.
Also last time i checked Maleficent was considered a sexist movie by some progressive reviewers (either Movieblob or Devin Faraci).
>>67911751
He had great potential, and it would've been much more interesting to see the movie from his point of view, both as an insider and an outsider, especially if his interactions with people were colored by his upbringing and he had been wary of and disgusted by the Resistance.
But we didn't get that. We got "don't lie to women kid, am I right or am I right"/"actually I'm a janitor".
>>67905046
wtf you read my mind anon, that's exactly what i thought when i saw that scene.. pretty gud
>>67911749
>sjws are so retarded they don't understand that cause and effect isn't reversible
>>67911898
>movieblob
>critic
Isn't he dead anyway?
>>67911970
No he just has diabetes
>>67911918
>We got "don't lie to women kid, am I right or am I right"/"actually I'm a janitor".
I liked how they basically turned Finn into a comedic sidekick, and got no backlash whatsoever.
What a fucking waste.
>>67908552
I don't understand why people are using the "emo villain" meme to undermine Kylo Ren. It's an interesting character flaw that makes me far more compelling than Rey or Finn. Poe is pretty based too, but I think that's more Oscar Isaac than the actual character.
>>67910120
because the loud screamers here don't say it's meh.
I like Star Wars, I might even consent to being called a fanboy, and I concede that TFA is meh. 7/10, maybe 8/10. A bit above average, but not anywhere close to perfect.
That said, again, if you listen to /tv/, TFA is a steaming pile of dogshit that's a 0/10 flick and actively worse in all ways than the prequels--which it clearly isn't since the prequels were actually quite mediocre to bad, and at least one--Attack of the Clones--really was a steaming hot pile of dogshit.
If people here were honest, and said the movie was overhyped but wasn't that bad, I'd agree. But that's not what people around here say, so I feel like I've got to stick up against the pig-headed stupidity and contrarianism of this board to point out that yes, the prequels are shit, no, Revenge of the Sith is not good because of the meme-filled (i.e, bad and cringey) dialogue, and yes, TFA is better from an objective standpoint of how films are made than any of the prequels.
>>67912032
It makes him unique but it doesn't make him intimidating or impressive.
>>67911178
>Why do people think of critics as some sort of hivemind?
Not so much a hivemind but they really don't want to be labeled a racist or sexist or whatever -ist there is so they tend to review less harshly to avoid that problem.
>>67911898
If you have to construct this weird explanation for why critical consensus disagrees with your own personal views, then the problem is probably with you.
>>67912110
>then the problem is probably with you
Or i just read the reviews and the reason as to why they though the movie was "good" :^)
>>67912073
That's a good thing, imo.
Look how brilliant of a villain Joffrey was.
The movie's a 10/10 until they meet Han
>>67912066
>My opinion is right, yours is wrong.
Okay then.
Absolutely Rekt em
>>67911275
yeah but heres the thing thoughthats better than TFA
>>67912073
He's not intimidating, that's one of the biggest things about his character. His mask is a facade to hide his young, non-menacing face.
>>67912261
Except if you unironically beleive that TFA is a 0/10 film, then yes, you are wrong.
And yes, from a cinematic standpoint, TFA is better acted, better shot, and more coherent than anything in the prequels. It has better sound design, better writing, and (bar Rey) far more realistic actions and motivations for it's characters.
The prequels have none of that. Now, to be fair, they do have some revolutionary art direction, as Lucas really did have a vision when it came to what he wanted to put on-screen, and the use of CGI helped him do that in a way I don't think he could have done it otherwise, and it shows. I would also say that it's fairly indisputable that the musical score was better for the prequels, Revenge of the Sith especially, than anything in TFA.
The character design, costuming, and makeup are all fairly equal in both. I don't think either has an edge there.
But, at the end of the day, what matters more: vision, or an actually competently made film? I'm betting that 9 out of 10 people are going to say competence. And, pretty much objectively, TFA was far more competently made than any of the prequels. And again, don't tell me that RotS is better because le ebin maymays. The reason that they're memes is because they're shit and shouldn't have been in the film, and so people make fun of them. It's just like Baneposting: people don't banepost because they actually think that the plane scene was a masterpiece of cinema. They quote it because it's so awful, not because it's so good.
>>67912540
>getting this upset because some anonymous person doesn't like what you like
>>67912066
It's not just meh, it's meh in a way that's unoriginal and safe while hiding elements that could have been unique and good and really interesting in a Star Wars film beneath piles of "hey, remember that? Let's do that again, even if it doesn't make sense or have the same impact".
It's frustrating. It's shot well, the action is well done, the atmosphere feels like Star Wars and the sets feel lived in, the dialogue is okay but nothing to write home about, the CGI works well and there are pieces that are quite good. But there's only so much you can say about it that's good before it rolls right back into unoriginal.
It's the A-B student coming home with a C. Yes, a C is average, and sometimes people screw up or find some things hard. But if they got the C because they doodled all day instead of paying attention then it's even more frustrating because you know they could have done better, and frustration has a way of making people complain more than just plain blandness does, especially if they're faced with people who were quite content with what they got.
Anyone who argues the prequels are better are either trolling or lying or stupid/contrarian, I will entirely agree with you there. They are superior to TFA in terms of ambition, planetary variety and ship/costume design, soundtrack and overall visuals, but there's not much else that's better than them, and they absolutely fail as films.
>>67912602
>Well, shit, I got nothing to say
>wat do?
>.....
>lololol u mad?
>u mad, breh?
>stay mad
I missed the old trailer voice
>>67912733
Why are you so mad? It's just a movie. If you like and someone doesn't who cares. But keep posting its funny to watch you get angry over people not liking what you like.
>>67912861
Actually, I'm me. Long post guy. The angry one.
Not sure who the greentexter is.
Anyway, yes, you're right, it is immature for me to be angry about it, I suppose, but it is rather frustrating to hear people who unironically think that it's a terrible, 5/10 or worse film, or people who unironically think it's a 10/10 masterpiece.
How can people not see it's fairly OK, competently made, better than the prequels in general, but not great, not even all that good? Solid 7-8/10. Gah! It's not a black and white issue! There's a middle ground! It doesn't have to be the best movie ever made or the worst!
It just grinds my gears, is all.
>>67913002
5/10 IS fairly okay. 6/10 is better than average. 7/10 is good. 8/10 is quite good, 9/10 is great and 10/10 is excellent.
>>67911198
>muh "as long as TFA is better than the prequels it's good" meme.
>>67913103
5/10 is, at least for me, a movie that made an effort but was sloppy, uninteresting, and just kinda fell apart. TFA is not that. TFA is fine. OK. average work. Didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth, had some memorable bits, but not a classic.
The other guy who gave it a C seems about right for me: it's a C-quality film, low B at best. But that is better than the prequels, which I would give a D, an F, and a D to C- respectively.
Saying TFA deserves a 5/10 does not feel right for me, unless your grading scale is extremely harsh. That means that about half of it was bad/wrong, and that just doesn't seem accurate to how much TFA got right. Again, I'd say that it's probably a C to B- film, not a solid F.
>>67913316
TFA is more than average. Watch its direct competitors: high budget superhero films. TFA is better acted and better directed than most of Marvel's output.
>>67913407
True. Comparatively, it is miles better than most of it's capeshit competitors.
>leave for a few minutes
>come back
>thread thinks TFA is anything above a 6/10
It's certainly not bad, but it plays too safe to risk anything outstanding. ANH took risks with the death star and people buying that some moisture farmer could destroy it because of some space magic. ESB took risks with the paternal reveal. RotJ doubled down on these risks.
What does TFA risk? As other posters have said, it plays too safe in order to appease everyone's memory and ends up having no story to tell.
It's well produced, well shot, and it is watchable. There's not much else going for it, which I'd argue makes it above average, but nothing else.
>>67913316
I'm the same guy. A C and a 5/10 are the same thing to me because I don't see films on the same scale as grades so a 5/10 isn't the same thing as an F. Grades are harsher than 10 point scales because not learning the majority or even a plurality of what was taught is seen as a truly bad thing that must be discouraged (and that's why you see grade inflation all the time).
TFA is 5/10, or maybe 6/10, because I was frustrated by its unoriginality. Had it been a standalone film it would've gotten a better rating, but its pulling from its predecessors so much lowered it in my eyes. The elements it used weren't bad, but they didn't count towards its good properties as a result.
>>67913407
This "better acted" claim is referring to Kylo, isn't it? Everyone else is wooden.
>>67904598
when will this piece of shit get released on the torrential Jew? I'm sick of waiting, fug.
>>67913520
Why do we value originality over competence? Not to compare the okay JJ to the greatest writer of all time, but Shakespeare doesn't become a worse artist once you find out that most of his work is adapted from earlier works. JJ isn't original by any means, but that doesn't make him talentless, that means that his talent lies in being able to direct something that has mass appeal without being as stupid as most other pop art.
>>67913586
Boyega and Isaac are good. Rey is fine. The worst performance isn't worse than okay.
>>67913718
It's not an either/or scenario. It's that a movie that is both competently made and has original elements that are well done is better than a movie that is merely competent.
>>67913718
There's lifting traits from something and making it better, and then there's just lifting traits from something.
The failure in your reasoning is that Shakespeare adapted elements from what are now largely forgotten plays, and made something better. Abrams has adapted elements from one of the big movie greats and made something clearly inferior.
I don't think there's any serious argument that TFA is better than ANH after all.
>>67904598
THOSE FUCKING FUCKS AT SCREEN JUNKIES! HOW DARE THEY
>>67905467
RLM are the same faggots that praised this movie. fuck /tv/ for still liking them.
>>67914128
>/tv/
>shared opinions
Someone's been meme'd on.
>>67907467
TFA is riddled with the same problems the prequels got shit for. Kylo is literally an Anakin doppelganger with the exception of literally throwing emo temper tantrums. Fuck you.
>>67914150
>/tv/
>not shared opinions
someone's been deluded.
>>67914150
>/tv/
>not shared opinions
someone's been deluded.
>>67914219
>emo temper tantrums
But Anakin had those. His involved screaming and crying, not attacking walls. I'd include his killing the entire camp of sand people, but that's more bloodlust than a temper tantrum.
>>67914150
>/tv/
>not shared opinions
someone's been deluded.
>>67914293
I remember being constantly moody, but not screaming and especially not crying.
It has been a while since I've seen AoTC however.
>>67908496
Sheev in Revenge of the Sheev
>>67914293
So why is Anakin Emo, but Kylo is DEEP & COMPLEX? A REAL HUMAN BEAN!
>>67908142
At first you brought up a salient point but now you're just being a contrarian faggot
>>67909518
It is you retard. But it's not like you have any knowledge anyway.
>>67908496
Ewan's Obi is impressive.
Christopher Lee praised him for it, as did Diarmond. It's a good model of what an actor needs to do when replacing another actor in a role.
>>67907467
Sure but that doesn't make it any good.
>>67914435
>Diarmond
McDiarmid. The Sheev actor.
He's got a weird name.
>>67911485
After the prequels they had to bring it back to formula.
Finn was the closest thing to a compelling character.
>>67914395
better writing+acting.
Same reason Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson, despite being pretty much the same character, are vastly different in quality and relatableness. Homer is written and acted better, at least in the earlier seasons, while Peter is an insufferable dumbass from season 1.
Same character, different writers and actors. Which one is better? Which one is deeper and more complex? Which one is actually relatable and human?
>>67914395
because Anakin Skywalker is a psycho with borderline personality whom we are supposed to like and find his fall tragic and sympathetic, his entire motivations boil down to HURR DURR WHY DOESN'T OBI-WAN LET ME DO WHATEVER I WANT
Kylo Ren is the villain, here, and while he's certainly somewhat sympathetic we're not meant to like him
>>67910013
>>implying kylo ren couldn't kill anakin
episode 2 anakin would shit on kylo ren so easily, did your mom throw you down the stairs as a kid?
>>67911485
I don't like Finn becoming a Jedi master. I'd rather he be non powered but too in touch with his empathetic side to be the soldier that the First Order demand he be. And I'd rather he not be unique, either. Something to humanize the average grunt and turn them into normal people who could be swayed to Finn's side would be a deviation from the standard while still being about humanity triumphing over powerfully oppressive forces. He could start a revolution in the ranks and rip the First Order apart from the inside.
>>67914522
>gets written into comic relief
Oh what could have been.
>>67914782
This actually makes me angry that it didn't happen this way.
>>67904598
>linking to Disney whore ScreenJunkies
Question -- is ScreenJunkies actually fair with this honest trailer, or is it half-hearted/done in a backhanded positive way like they did with Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America: The Winter Soldier?
I seriously would love to know how much $$ the house of mouse pays them under the table.
>>67914395
Because Kylo is ugly and reminds plebs of their favorite character Loki.
>>67914782
they just race swapped kylo and poe. whats the matter?
>>67914782
Let me guess. It was too dark and grim for Disney -- so they made him a black comic relief character to sooth the 'grimness' because God forbid a Disney film doesn't have comedy to cover up its bland storytelling.
So many times Disney artists and filmmakers have great ideas, only to have the executives shoot them down for being 'too dark' and 'not fun or optimistic' enough. Its really hurts them as a company, and annoys me because as a company that is now becoming all-powerful you'd think they could at least start taking some artistic risks and focusing more on dark elements and letting a director play around with the look and feel of a film.
But no... because to them they are making a product, not art -- and it reflects in almost all of their recent films from Frozen to Marvel, where comedy takes the place of drama.
How Zootopia turned out as good as it did despite the massive amount of corporate meddling there was in that story is a fucking miracle, and full credit deserves to go to Byron Howard and Rich Moore on that one.
>>67914529
>Which one is better? Which one is deeper and more complex? Which one is actually relatable and human?
They're both shit desu, and if you relate to Kylo you should probably kill yourself or stop being underage.
>>67915101
Zootopia was an average buddy cop film. It would've been much more interesting if they actually went with the shock collars instead of "we decided to stop eating meat just 'cause".
>>67908496
>Name a better performance in the series than Adam Driver's.
Harrison Ford as Han Solo in any of the original trilogy films.
>>67914955
It could hit harder, but it's fair in a few places.
Namely:
>shamelessly remaking ANH
>rey is so good at everything it makes her completely uncompelling
>kylo acts like a goth kid who can't find his eyeliner
>film so desperate to recapture the magic of the first star wars it practically is the first star wars
>phasma is a wasted character with 91 seconds of screen time
>maRey Sue
>the orange with butthole eyes
these are all more or less quotes by the way.
It's split between the "new voice guy" and the "old voice guy". The new one is a pure shill and the old is generally right about what he says, but written to be a grumpy old man.
also,
>worst part is rey hugging leia
>something Disney already has their marketers working on apologizing for
>instead of any of the previously listed complaints
shill me a shill.
>>67915146
Even so, I do like that the whole predator/prey relationship in the final product came across as more realistic.
That said, part of me does wish they kept the original concept. At least the final product still felt like there was love put into it from an artist, rather than feeling like a cold, calculated product meant to rake in cash like the majority of their recent animated films have been.
P.S. Seeing how much executive meddling there was with Zootopia, Disney's 'B' film for the year, I can only imagine how bad it must be for Moana. That's gonna be a disappointment of a movie.
>>67910407
/r/equesting if you have it, pic related in better resolution.
>>67910498
No, it fucking wasn't. How did this meme even start?
>>67915305
>>>/r/
>>>/lurk more/
Don't you ever reply to me or my post again.
>>67915266
But it's not because a realistic relationship is predators consuming prey. There is nothing realistic about Zootopia.
>>67915327
90s babies would have been in their teens when Iron Man came out in 2008.
It's the same people who think CoD are good games.
>>67915327
Please, don't pretend you're anything but a minority when shit on the first Iron Man.
Like TFA, Iron Man was critically and commercially acclaimed. It also had a knockout comeback performance from Downey.
>>67915398
Hahaha nah I don't want to, suck my dick faggot.>>>/r/eddit
>>67915440
do not generalize,anon.
>>67915465
>muh critical acclaim
>>67915508
Get out of here kid.
>>67915528
This is the only real ranking. It is irrefutable.
>>67915465
No one was pretending anything, shitbrain. It's well known that the vast majority of the movie going public are retards only in it for the flashy visuals and shitty jokes.
That RDJ can turn in a fun performance doesn't mean that the vast majority of the film is boring shit. He's good when he's just fucking around. As soon as he puts on the suit or does anything, it's stupid as shit. The villain is dull, it has some of the most boring action setpieces ever filmed, there's no compelling plot to drive anything forward. It's the poster child for shitty movies saved by an above average performance. Don't pretend it's anything more.
>>67915683
>thinking 4 is better than 5
>thinking 6 and 7 are equal
literally retarded.
shoo shoo shitposter-san
>>67915683
This.
>>67915683
I was expecting to disagree completely but no you fucking nailed it.
Good on ya.
Guys is TFA a good movie yet?
>>67904598
>han so-long
>>67915599
sure gramps
>>67915726
>shitty jokes
>bad because muh quips
Another great review by the folks at /tv/!
>>67908584
>implying that isn't Max's post
>>67915528
What is this picture even saying? It says the consensus is that RotJ is better than TFA when TFA has like 16 percentage points more
and you're a fucking memer if you think RotS is better than TFA
>>67904598
I was really worried they were going to chicken out and suck major progressive dick. What a wonderful surprise.
>>67915840
What the fuck are you talking about? I literally just said RDJ is only good in the movie when he's joking around. If the whole movie had been about Iron Man just sitting home all day cracking wise, it would have been better. Instead they decided to shove in an entirely uninspired plot with a shitty villain and boring action scenes.
>>67915875
RotS has character development across the board.
TFA only has Kylo.
>It says the consensus is that RotJ is better than TFA when TFA has like 16 percentage points more
I don't even understand what you mean to say here. This isn't a jab, this is me genuinely not knowing how to respond.
Is Rey a Mary Sue?
>>67915988
Yes, but that doesn't stop TFA from being the hands down the best star wars movie in three decades.
>>67915988
Yes. I'd say the same thing if it was a male main character also.
>>67916037
>best Star Wars in three decades
>saying that like it's some kind of accomplishment
>>67916037
Too bad that Rebels show is going full JUST on the disney trilogy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B886b8fe9AA
>>67908283
>>67908584
That post was on the 18th, Max posted a vid on the 19th but his shit apparently trended on twitter or something. That's why I guess he's taking credit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpS6TlqgLIQ
It doesn't really matter anyway, people can have simultaneous thoughts.
>>67916098
>rebels killing the new trilogy
>TCW was redeeming the prequels
POTTERY
>>67915960
The picture shows the RT scores of each movie. Then shows the apparent ranking based on these scores, and RotJ is higher than TFA despite TFA having both a better average review score and approval percentage
>>67916132
""""redeeming"""" shit isn't hard though you fucking mong.
TFA is redeeming the series from the prequels though, and that's good enough for me :^))))
>>67916210
too bad TFA is on par with if TPM you memer.
>>67916251
Good try. Bullshit from Lucas will never be better than Abrams resurrecting the originals.
>>67916299
you mean making a rip off of ANH?
>>67916336
the prequels are just as much if not more of a ripoff than TFA
and TFA is only a "ripoff" in the most basic plot framework, what's going on with the characters is entirely original. If you can't see this, you're a dumb fuck who only engages in his entertainment in the most superficial level who gets triggered and says "this is reddit, this is memes" when he sees a droid carrying a plot device.
tell me, in ANH, where did we have a stormtrooper flee the Empire because he didn't want to murder innocent people, initially starting as a coward who just wanted to get as far away from the bad guys as possible, eventually turning into a hero as the first person who ever saw him as a human being was kidnapped?
Where was the villain who was obsessed with his family legacy in order to make up for his own insecurity and self-loathing, constantly wracked with guilt for what he's done, but too afraid to actually seek redemption because he's convinced himself being good is weakness? I don't remember this villain murdering his father in an attempt to sever the last ties to his conscience, only for it to not work and cause a full mental breakdown
At the very least, the references to the original trilogy have a point to them, the film is very meta in that the characters are living in the shadow of the Galactic Civil War and see the characters as legends, much as the audience does. When the PT makes a reference to the OT it's always just HAHAHAH REMEMBER THAT THING/CHARACTER/PLOT POINT
>>67916489
ha ha this is grasping at straws
>>67916489
>only for it to not work and cause a full mental breakdown
What?
>>67916586
Yeah because Rey having a doll of an X-wing pilot and literally living inside an AT-AT alongside a villain who literally worships Darth Vader were all just memes
>>67916489
>Who cars about the plot being the same
Haha
>>67916605
Kylo clearly realized he fucked up when he murdered Han. He stands there in silence, mouth agape until Chewbacca shoots him. He's clearly freaking the fuck out during the final fight.
The script and novelization make this explicit
>>67916251
>>67916299
>>67916210
>JJ Binks kills StarWars
>JJ Abrams saves StarWars
the poetry never ends
>>67916614
the point is that the plot is only the same in very broad strokes, in the same way you can say Episode 1 is the same movie as ANH or that all Indiana Jones movies are the same
idiots just got all flustered about it this time because they see X-Wings and TIE Fighters and can't engage with the movie any more than beyond the superficial
>>67916614
Characters are the most important part of an action flick. The plot doesn't mean shit if the characters are interesting and dynamic. I'd take a movie with interesting characters over a well-developed original plot any day.
>>67916489
>b-but TFA is a g-good movies guys!
Why are TFAggots so desperate? Shit is shit.
TFA joined the prequels instead of destroying them.
>>67916651
There's zero indication that he's suffering a full mental breakdown, buddy. He maybe didn't have the epiphany he expected after sticking his dad, but acting as though he was completely shattered is fucking retarded.
I couldn't give two shits about a novelization. Take your EU shit to a different thread.
>IV>V>>VI>III>BvS>VII>I>II
prequels are kenobikino
>>67916706
>oh shit another death star
But remember guys, they're not the same movie. Not at all.
>but RotJ....
Nope. DS2 was a trap. That's what it was intended as both by Lucas and by the Emperor. That serves a completely different purpose than the first Death Star and the Sun Crusher or whatever the fuck.
Grasping at Straws.
>>67916742
>There's zero indication that he's suffering a full mental breakdown, buddy
You know, except the
>sweating
>unkempt and disheveled hair showing stress
>glazed over eyes
>the screaming
>the psychotic grin as he's torturing Finn
>the way he pounds his wound as if to pump himself up
Again, the official script and the novel both say Kylo Ren realized he fucked up when he murdered his dad and is freaking out about it in the climax.
sheev is delicious
>>67916706
The fuck are you talking about? The criticism isn't aimed just because it's the same. It's because it's the same and shittier in every way. It does everything A New Hope did, except worse.
Roughly half the Indy movies get shit on for the exact same reasons, so I don't know why you'd bring them up.
>>67916718
>rey
>poe
>any of those bounty hunters on han's ship
>the orange
>developed
Good one.
Even Finn is hardly developed. His character building is equal to that of the prequels.
>>67916747
>mixing DCuckshit into Marvelkino
TFA is good you dumb shitposter.
>>67916742
>novelization
but the actual script submitted to the WGA says this too
>>67916809
>sweating
>unkempt and disheveled hair showing stress
>glazed over eyes
>the screaming
>the psychotic grin as he's torturing Finn
>the way he pounds his wound as if to pump himself up
Half of these are just Kylo being injured. What the fuck does that have to do with total mental breakdown? The other things are shit he did before Han was killed. He was constantly terrorizing subordinates and trashing the furniture. Maybe if they had made him more reserved in the first two thirds of the movie, but you're acting like there's some meaningful change in behavior that simply doesn't exist.
>>67916809
He spends most of the movie sweating, unkempt, and stressed.
Same goes the for screaming.
We couldn't see his eyes until he took off the mask.
>torturing finn
>pounding his wounds
An edgelord acts edgy. More news at 11.
If you ask me, they did not make it clear at all that Kylo thinks he fucked up. At all.
If that's what they want the outcome to be, they need to confirm that in 8.
>>67916718
These are boring characters. They all get along and they're all on the same page. The originals' cast was constantly arguing and getting on each other's nerves and of two minds about how to proceed. It's what made their growth as a group interesting over the course of the trilogy. Where the fuck is this new trilogy supposed to go when everyone is already best buds?
>>67916932
We'll probably get a Civil War movie sometime after the third trilogy.
>>67904598
I didn't hate this movie, but I never really gave a shit about Star Wars to begin with. Other than Rey being able to pilot the Falcon, I had no real issues with it.
What am I missing? Is this hate just /tv/ being contrarian? There's no way you could honestly say this was worse than the prequels.
>>67916932
>Where the fuck is this new trilogy supposed to go when everyone is already best buds?
This, hilariously.
Even Avengers 2 managed to have the protags disagreeing in order to bring out a stronger group dynamic.
>>67916866
Who gives a shit? What matters is on screen. It doesn't matter what they attempted, it matters what they made.
Further, that doesn't even say that he is having a complete mental breakdown. Is the problem that you don't know what those words in that order mean?
>>67916866
>all those caps and exclamation points in the action of the script
Jesus Christ how cringeworthy
>>67916881
>>67916928
I'm sorry the children's space movie was too complicated for you, anon
>>67916989
>admits to not having seen the original trilogy
Found the underage.
The issues with TFA were more pronounced in the prequels, but otherwise it's a solid film that makes up for the blunder that was RotJ and all the other Lucas-only films.
90% of this is contrarians who also believe the critics on BvS instead of the audiences.
BvS was good, if low-brow. TFA was good, if unoriginal.
For flicks, that's all that matters.
>>67917036
Dude, everyone gets that he's not sure killing Han was the right move. No one is questioning whether he's conflicted about this. I'm questioning the specific claim that he was having a full mental breakdown, of which there is absolutely zero evidence. Unless you believe a full mental breakdown means behaving exactly as you have been since the beginning of the movie.
TFA was not a good movie.
>>67917118
>behaving exactly as you have been since the beginning of the movie
your autistic
>>67917077
Where did I say that, of course I've seen the original trilogy. Nigga, I was born in '87.
>>67917225
Yes. Everything you listed, Ren was doing since his earliest scenes. Outside of those directly related to his blaster wound.
Someone having a full mental breakdown doesn't take the time to toy with Finn before cutting him down. He wouldn't try to convert Rey. He's still completely focused and goal-oriented. That's not what people suffering mental breakdowns are concerned with.
>>67917077
>BvS was good
I think you're the underage, anon
>>67917189
It was a serviceable movie made for many reasons but none to help the Star Wars franchise, just to push Hollywood's diversity agenda along.
TFA should have been about Yuuzhan Vong invasion. With Wise Grandmaster Luke leading his jedi students in battle against them. They could still have Rey and Ben Solo, but have them be in competition with each other trying to impress Luke during the war. Ben having unrequited love toward Rey, and a slow descent to the Dark Side as the war grows more violent and dire for the Republic, with Ben and Rey each becoming more powerful, but Ben doing morally questionable actions in an attempt to end the war, only to have Rey leave him/hate him for doing the things he has done. Then during the final battle where the Yuuzhan are defeated (but make them cool, not silly-looking), Luke is killed and now there is a power struggle in the Republic, with Snoke and the First Order rising in response to the republic's ineptitude in facing the invasion. Ben then tries to become the new leader of the Jedi, but all the Jedi prefer Rey because she is qt3.14/10 and has not committed massacres like Ben. He then becomes Kylo, slaughters most of the Jedi, and joins Snoke, ending the trilogy. Then a new trilogy could be made where Rey as leader of the remaining Jedi(as an experienced warrior and powerful force-user) is on the run from Kylo and Snoke, who overthrew the republic. How awesome would that be?
