>Mike: [If Superman really existed] there would be people on CNN arguing back and forth about this and that etc. but we don't need that. We live THAT. Movies are about escapism - we don't need to see people on CNN complaining about politics in a Superman movie!
>Jay: Yeah, especially superhero movies - like in this movie [...] you see buildings blown up. And it's like - I don't want to watch superhero movie that reminds me how miserable real lfe is.
>Mike: Like dwo days ago Brussels airport exploded...
>Jay: Yeah, I was thing about that during this movie!
>>67817853
Why does /v/ like these guys so much?
>>67817853
>we want superhero films that arent grounded in reality
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!
They've lost all credibility for saying episode 7 was good after what the channel did to the prequels (rightfully so).
every critics reasons for dismissal for BVS have been literally nonsensical and retarded
I don't think I've read any salient point of why someone hated the film
>>67817853
They're completely right, it's a fucking Superman movie. Capeshit is supposed to be escapism. Mixing depressing reality with spandex wearing weirdos is retarded.
DUDE TRUMP LMAO
>>67817886
They look and think like them i.e. manchildren
>>67817925
This
dumb thread
post cuck music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrCUEjSzLAk
>>67817853
>Jay: Yeah, I was thing about that during this movie!
*I was thinking about that
>>67817945
>the pacing is trash
>horrible script
>bad editing
>too dark
>no quips
>no fun
>bad acting
>muh comics
>batman doesnt kill
>superman doesnt smile
>lois lane's hair is the wrong color
>Lex Luthor is a young twink, i like my men older and bald
>no story
>no character development
>dream sequences
>no post credits tease
>not enough action
>bad CGI
>jesus
>training montage was too dudebro
the movie was alright, but really the critics are grasping at straws, meanwhile the people who liked it can tell you why exactly and give details
>>67817925
But ep7 is nothing like the prequels eg the final battle isn't them jumping around CGI lava
>>67817853
>RLM
>>67817945
What you're experiencing is cognitive dissonance.
>>67818199
>>67817945
Pathetic
The "movies are entertainment, I don't want to see real life, I want to have fun LOL" argument is one of the best ones to tell a plebeian who knows absolutely nothing about art and aesthetics in general.
>>67817925
They lost their credibility back when they reviewed Jurassic World.
>>67818332
>STOP LIKING THINGS I DONT LIKE!!!
even worse
>>67818290
Ep7 is just as bad and the final battle is a shitty rehash of ANH with more CGI and a lightsaber fight featuring mary sue: the character
>>67818342
didn't they trash that movie and then suck Star wars' cock? really JW wasn't that great but it was way better than TFW
That's like so deep man
>>67818333
trips of truth!
Praise Kek
>>67818356
marvel guy has qt glasses and beanie while dc guy looks like a douchebag with a backwards hat
>>67818333
It fits perfectly within the context of BvS. This movie isn't art. It's a commercial entertainment product pretending to be art. Take away all the "intelligent" dialogue and symbols and it has the plot of a Bay film.
If Snyder wanted to make a dark character piece he could have made an indie drama or something. BvS is not the venue to jerk off over your first year film student text book
>tfw just want a good Green Lantern Corps movie but that might never happen
>>67818332
>>67818356
the same struggle represented in BvS, these two posters have really no reason to be at each other but their desire for power drives them to find a way to be above others for their own self gratification
>>67818473
>qt glasses
what a cuck
RLM are the living embodiment of the smug, detached Gen-X ethos.
I'd venture to guess none of them has felt a single sincere conviction about anything since childhood. They exist as polyps upon the colon of culture, satiating themselves on the perceived failures of others (i.e. "The Man") while adding nothing new to the discourse aside from ironic complaint.
They're a group of insecure, lost, rapidly aging burnouts who silently believe they could do a better job of making films than the professionals in the industry. Yet they lack the ambition and ability to actually enter the very industry they're obsessed with. They choose instead to fuck around and make student film piss-takes well into middle age.
They are awful, awful people. I've met thousands just like them, and the last thing we need is for these people to gain any attention for their navel gazing.
Please, /tv/, do not aspire to become anything like these people. Theirs is a lonely and pathetic road leading to depression and a life devoid of real purpose.
I hope they disappear and their disaffected followers stop subsidizing their lifestyle. Perhaps that would force them to do something productive with themselves.
>>67818333
This
>>67818332
>>67818356
>>67818483
Remember how quippy and funny Green Lantern was supposed to be? When it fell completely on it's face and wasn't fun or enjoyable.
Love the idea DC is the "smarter" company when their first attempt at a Cinematic Universe was just as trash as the Marvel movies.
Tell me Green Lantern was kino. I fucking dare you. DC fucks up no matter what tone they go for.
>>67817853
there is nothing wrong with a movie making you feel bad. odd complaint, especially from jay
>>67818542
Fact: this pasta has never ever been refuted
>>67818476
I know, but they are not making that distinction deliberately.
>>67817853
Yeah I want escapism and a good movie like Space Cop
>>67818659
because its an opinion
>>67818333
>aesthetics
MUH buzzwords
>>67817853
>>67817853
I'll just leave this here
>>67818737
are you retarded?
>>67818542
>doesn't include himself anywhere in the video
>doesn't focus on himself at all
>focuses solely on the movie and backs up claims with citations from the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM
RLM and others is what this board deserves, but not what it needs right now....
>>67817945
>you can't convince me anyone really hates it
okay
Why does this board care about what these fat losers say?
>>67818781
The only retards here are the ones that overuse that word because they don't know how to describe art.
>>67818892
what? aesthetics is literally a branch of philosophy, what are you even talking about? go read a book please
>>67817853
i just want a new commentary track desu
>>67818892
>falling for the /mu/ meme
>>67818771
The only thing that proves is that marvel cucked the industry and now every superhero movie will be a quip fest. Goodbye creative differences. Hello quipmania.Afer infinity wars part 2 comes out, capeshit will finally die since they can't one up it.
>>67817853
BvS fanboy/idiot
>No one even has reasons to dislike this movie it was probally too deep!
BvS critic
>Lists many reasons it's bad
BvS fanboy/idiot
>Shu...shut up! You obviously weren't paying attention!
>You're just parroting someone elses opinion!
>You're autistic it's just a movie!
>>67818989
I don't go to that board but it sounds like a bunch of retards are there to.
>>67818333
>art and aesthetics
>>67819039
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1459037378306.png/
>>67817853
link?
>>67817925
>they're hypocrites because they liked one movie and not another
>>67818333
I would agree if they weren't talking about capeshit, which is for children.
>>67817853
Of the things BvS did wrong, trying to place it in a realistic context and having TV personalities arguing about them was actually one of its high points
>Movies are about escapism
Plebs say the darndest things.
I haven't seen it yet
I do find a film that explores themes of what a superhero would really be like in a modern world and the implications it has on politics is pretty interesting, and would rather watch that than endless Marvel superhero flicks.
But Zack Snyder is a shitty director.
I watched the HitB review and had everything spoiled on me before I went in, and my expectations couldn't have been lower. I really enjoyed the film for what it was, I'm definitely buying the bluray when it comes out. But another script rewrite and a better editor and this would have been one of the best comic book movies ever made. There is an absolutely phenomenal movie here underneath all its flaws. If you can't accept it's flaws though, I can see why people hate it.
>>67819122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4
17:30
>>67818805
I couldn't make it 10 minutes in to that video.
>I'm going to explain the birthing imagery.
Holy shit you faggot, the first scene is Kal-El literally being born.
>The citadel is a phallic symbol.
NOPE. I'm fucking done.
>>67819029
TDK, First Captain America, and Winter Soldier didn't have many quips
But then again they also had decently written stories.
I still can't get an answer why Jor-el injected the codex into his son for any other reason than to advance the plot.
Just like Luthor just saying it was all part of his plan and he knew their secret identities. Like he was just reading the script and at this part he needs to know who they both are.
>>67819283
But everything in Krypton was made of dicks, balls and vaginas. The reviewer wasn't lying.
>>67819334
Jor-El wanted to secure the Kryptonians somehow because he knew that the planet wasn't going to explode right away and feared what Zod could do with it.
I see people always complaining about the editing in the film being terrible. Not just bad, but annoying to the point that people feel rage and anger over it. I didn't see anything that glaring.
Can someone give me examples of bad editing in this film? I'll concede the El Flasho dream/vision sequence. But I'm wondering what I missed in the rest of the film that makes people so hateful.
>>67818805
fucking lol at that video
it's satire right? it's a Total Biscuit impersonator mocking DC fanboys.
>>67819334
>I still can't get an answer why Jor-el injected the codex into his son
So Kal-el could make the choice to bring back krypton? Did you miss the parts of the script about how Superman was the first kryptonian to be able to make choices?
>>67819388
He went to the council to get the codex. Zod was after that. He didn't want Zod to have it because he wanted it.
He injected it into Kal for reasons never explained.
Even when ghost dad.exe was activated he didn't tell him about the codex.
And really the entire plan revolved around a ship that had been lost on an alien world for thousands of years still having enough power and working to tell Clark about the codex and extract it from him if he had any plans at all for it.
This is the main driving force for the movie and we don't know why Jor-el put it into his son
I just cannot wait for the glowing Plinkett review of The Force Awakens. Really cannot wait for /tv/ to whine about the review for months until they finally admit that it was actually a solid film.
>>67819334
This complaint about them not showing HOW Lex found out the secret identity of the heroes is really weird. It doesn't matter how, what matters is that he does know and that's what makes him dangerous.
That's like complaining that they never showed how HYDRA managed to infiltrate SHIELD in The Winter Soldier. That people need a movie showing just when and how that happened. You don't really need to see HDYRA infiltrating America, you need to know that it did and that's why they're still dangerous. Maybe even more than before.
>>67819496
>a solid film
>>67819487
Did you miss the part where Zod committed a coup?
Where Jor had an abomination baby?
Kal was a natural born and that was his ticket to being free.
But how did Jor-el know Kal would ever be aware of the codex in him or how to utilize it? And why? Jor el was happy with everyone on planet dying and said it was all a mistake
>>67817957
This
>>67819187
>I do find a film that explores themes of what a superhero would really be like in a modern world and the implications it has on politics is pretty interesting, and would rather watch that than endless Marvel superhero flicks.
>But Zack Snyder is a shitty director.
That's exactly the problem the film has. It tries to delve into mature stuff but fails due to the incompetent idiots in charge of it all.
>>67819491
>He went to the council to get the codex. Zod was after that. He didn't want Zod to have it because he wanted it.
Wrong. He went to the Science Council to try and convince them one more time that the planet is in danger. Zod was there to despose of the SC.
>He injected it into Kal for reasons never explained.
He injected in Kal because he knew that Krypton was doomed and wanted for the Kryptonians to live on inside his son.
>Even when ghost dad.exe was activated he didn't tell him about the codex.
Because he wanted to teach Kal other things. The codex wasn't really important at that point.
>And really the entire plan revolved around a ship that had been lost on an alien world for thousands of years still having enough power and working to tell Clark about the codex and extract it from him if he had any plans at all for it.
You ever thought that Jor managed to signal the ship and see that it was still there and functioning, and this what drove him to choose the planet?
>>67819522
Superman's identity was something he protected very well and suplexed a drone next to a general to protect it.
When you have a character established as taking precautions on their secret identity, you don't just get to say the villain found out off screen.
And they did explain that Shield was corrupted by Hydra very early on. Try watching the movie again.
>>67819643
He told the Science Council it was already too late for the people on the planet. Rewatch the scene.
>>67819649
>Superman's identity was something he protected very well and suplexed a drone next to a general to protect it.
>When you have a character established as taking precautions on their secret identity, you don't just get to say the villain found out off screen.
Lex said that Lois was a straight-line to Superman and movie shows that Superman is always there focusing on her and saving her. That's enough.
>And they did explain that Shield was corrupted by Hydra very early on. Try watching the movie again.
They said what happened, but they didn't showed how it happened. Just like with Lex, but for some reason you complain about one but not the other.
Mike likes big popcorn movies, despite himself, commercial movies about the hero's journey. Jay is more into dark edgy movies but can still like commercial movies. This is not surprising they disliked it so harshly
>>67817853
>snyder fans slowly losing their mind
>desperately scrambling for an angle, a vector where this movie might be defensible in some way
>lashing out at anyone who had the gall to say something critical about it, even if they're completely right
>making thread after thread, day after day of pure, unadulterated damage control and absolute delusions
>even pretending Gal Gadot is some hot bitch and not a spoopy skellington
This so far has been a wonderful carnival of schadenfreude and I thank you all for it. I've never seen a sadder collection of mentally deficient sycophants like the snydercucks here.
>>67819649
>Superman's identity was something he protected very well and suplexed a drone next to a general to protect it.
Any idiot can see that Superman was Clark Kent. This kind of contrivances work in comics because they operate on cartoon logic.
But you cannot pretend to make a serious movie set in a realistic world while retaining all this silly elements.
Did they actually say this unironically?
>>67819727
Yes, and that they showed search for the stars.
>>67819029
this
>>67817853
OP, it may be time to step away from the computer for a while. You've been making variations on this same thread for fucking days now. Seriously, whatever point you're trying to make about RLM is getting drowned out by how obsessive and pathetic you seem.
>>67819546
>fascimile
>>67819649
You could argue that Luthor was obsessed about superman like no one else on the planet, and had the resources and influence to back it up. The government could back off for reasons of deterrence, but that's exactly what Luthor thrives on.
I hate how we have to fill in the gaps either this film. Another script rewrite and we could surpass all this. It's really a shame.
>>67819750
>Did they actually say this unironically?
Yes. Although they are comparing it with the original Superman film which was fun, campy and likable. Why would you side with either Superman or Batman when both of them are fucking hypocritical assholes?
>>67819802
wow, the fuck?
STOP MAKING THE SAME FUCKING STUPID THREAD OVER AND OVER, OP.
You fucking suck and nobody cares that you're butthurt that your imaginary friends didn't validate your opinion on a terrible movie.
>>67817945
It's trash because YOU liked it. Stop basing your identity on century old cartoon characters.
>>67817853
>450,000 views
I'm going to assume the faggot that keeps making this same thread over and over again made a youtube review of BvS that got 15 views and so now he's butthurt.
Snyder’s thrillingly intelligent use of interior conflict and political antagonism vastly outclasses Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises — all noxious — which were bellwethers of our culture’s decline.
Fanboys prefer the Nolan films for their “darkness,” which emphasized the sophomoric, pseudo-tragic elements of the Batman graphic novels. But Snyder’s more adult treatment finds the material’s emotional core. This displeases the fanboy/hipster whose adolescent embarrassment about feelings was exploited through Nolan’s emotionless violence and post–9/11 nihilism. Snyder counters that cultural crisis and (through the script by Chris Terrio and David S. Goyer) visualizes the millennial moral struggle as pop myth. His essential subject is mankind’s struggle to discover compassion as well as common obligation — or dare I use the non-political term: brotherhood?
>>67817945
>I don't think I've read any salient point of why someone hated the film
So have you only read like one review then?
>>67819961
In this age of petty Marvels, most comic-book movies merely perpetrate fantasies of power, but Snyder, enacting his personal aesthetic, braves a film that examines those fantasies. He boldly challenges popular culture’s current decay. Man of Steel was a magnificent, hugely satisfying response to what’s often missing in pop culture, and Batman v Superman raises more ideas without (yet) resolving them. An attempt to invoke other superheroes from the DC Comics stable, starting with Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot, accompanied by tribal drums that recall Snyder’s overawed feminist fantasia, Sucker Punch), ultimately goes unfulfilled. And Snyder, obliged to placate the Marvel hordes, lets a couple of fight scenes devolve into Avengers-trite turmoil.
>>67818199
I mean, that's a lot of straws
>>67819334
He probably invented facebook in this universe as well.
>>67819961
*tips Kangol*
>>67819814
The movie showed a couple things:
Lex had resources.
Lex knew how to manipulate or strong-arm high-ranking officers.
Lex kept tabs on meta-humans.
Lex knew who Superman and Batman were
Lex said to Lois that she was a straight-line to Superman.
What else do you need? Lex know about them all. That makes him dangerous. You don't need to make a whole movie about him finding about them. This is stupid. We didn't need a movie showing how Loki survived the first Thor movie and met Thanos. We didn't need a movie to show how HYDRA infiltrated America. We didn't need a film showing what Fury did between The Winder Soldier and Age of Ultron.
People make a lot of exceptions for the Marvel's movies, but for some reason they nitpick DC's movies to hell.
>>67819745
>>67819733
He didn't harbor any more obsession than Batman, who didn't find out.
There was no scene where he tracked Lois or anything of that matter and it was staged before the African scene. It happened off panel and was never explained or shown HOW he knew. Don't get upset when people point out that it came out of nowhere
>>67819974
Im not him, but every time someone criticises it, it's normally through points that can be easily explained or for flaws that plague all films
The closest real criticism I can find is the editing which is weird because to me it was absolutely fine
And also because episode7 is literally the worst edited big blockbuster in probably decades and I haven't seen a single critic mention it
This leads me to believe no one actually knows anything about editing
>>67820021
>enacting his personal aesthetic
Did he mean the wachowskis' personal aesthetic he clumsily apes?
Gee, that was fast. Is Armond White just a nigger with a thesaurus?
>>67820058
>meta-humans
Kill yourself.
>>67820103
That's how DC refers to superhumans even in their comics.
>>67817853
Wew what a plebeians. No wonder /tv/ loves them so much.
>>67820059
He was waaay more obsessed about meta-humans than Batman.
The movie shows that Batman's projecting his issues unto Superman and that he doesn't really care to know more about Superman. He just wants to project and hunt him. Batman doesn't want to humanize Superman, which would happen if he tried to learn more about his life. He knows Superman, he sees Superman. That's enough for him. He just wants to hunt him and kill him thinking this will give meaning to his life.
Bruce and Lex approach are very different.
>>67819649
>Superman's identity was something he protected very well
didnt he at one point talked with his mother outside if the house with his suit on?
>i don't like it because it's not "fun"
>>67820251
>>>67820251
the fact that people genuinely consider it an argument is fucking insane
>>67820251
Fucking autist, go play in traffic.
>>67820301
the fact that anyone would want a super serious interpretation of fucking Superman is fucking insane.
>Space Cop
These fuckers have an allergy to sincerity. Snyder tried something and failed but at least he tried honestly. Space Cop failed at everything because they were too scared to do it properly
>>67820301
The fact that some people vehemently defend this garbage film with little to no idea as to why is truly fucking insane.
>>67820301
>People want entertainment to be fun
Lol what fucking plebs amirite?
>>67820310
Rude dude, just because he doesn't like fun movies doesn't mean you can just say stuff like that he didn't even bring you any harm this is unacceptable
>>67820323
>the fact that anyone would want a super serious interpretation of fucking cowboys is fucking insane.
>>67820323
y?
>>67820331
>These fuckers have an allergy to sincerity.
And you're an autist fuckup who needs everything literally spelled out for him to avoid throwing a violent tantrum. How do you even reconcile "acting" in that noodle between your ears?
>>67820323
>the fact that anyone would want a super serious interpretation of fucking vampires is fucking insane.
>>67820323
>>67820352
>>67820349
fuck off back to /v/.
>>67820450
What do cowboys have to do with this argument at all? Were you born like this?
>>67820548
You're a fucking retard m8 lmao
>>67820323
>the fact that anyone would want a super serious interpretation of fucking facebook is fucking insane.
>>67820520
choke on my fuck you goddamn mental patient. Stop spamming the board with your brain diarrhea.
>>67820548
It's a common, clever tactic to just copy your reply and change a few words here and there.
>>67818369
no, no it isn't. It's not great, I'll give you that. The prequels are on a different level of bad altogether.
>>67820604
That's neither clever nor a tactic. That's a child trying to weasel out of a discussion.
>>67820584
Dude you cant just tell people to choke on your fuck like how would you like it if I said that to you man you your head also he can say what he likes he has a right to
>>67820584
ironic
>>67818483
>>tfw just want a good Green Lantern Corps movie but that might never happen
Green Lantern is doomed forever to the sidelines.
Even the animated GL show was canceled despite being very good.
>>67817853
who are you quoting?
>>67820679
You think OP's image might have some relevance, anon? Maybe?
>>67820658
Embarrassing.
>>67820352
>muh arbitrary definition of a subjective term
>>67820659
>Green Lantern is doomed forever to the sidelines.
As he should be, he's one of the shittiest characters on any medium. The care bears wars in space thing is about as interesting as the DCEU.
>>67820717
>It's arbitrary because it doesn't help my argument.
You're a waste.
>>67820584
>>67820715
very meta, i like it.
>>67820800
>it's not arbitrary because it helps mine
>>67820697
I will ask again.
Who are you quoting?This is how I know you are a newfag,lurk more
So, I made this game because honestly. I feel like doing something while I visit these threads and its a nice way to pass the time. I have yet not to fill out at least one row/column in the threads I've visited.
>>67819029
>The only thing that proves is that marvel cucked the industry and now every superhero movie will be a quip fest.
Let*s forget shit like Nolan's Batman that made the industry make everything dark and serious as shit.
Most superheroes don't fit in with this dark and super serious shit. Take Superman for example.
Also the problems with BvS was NOT that it wasn't "fun" and only fucking retards believe this.
>>67820777
GL is way more interesting than characters like Superman.
Superman is simply the Mickey Mouse of superheroes.
>>67820883
Bingo doesn't work when there's only 4x4 rows and columns
Also this is very mean
>>67818369
But it's bad in a completely different way than the prequels. The prequels are incompetently made. Episode 7 is just too derivative. As a standalone film, it would be fine.
>>67820883
You could make a similar game for your life and fill out at least one row a week.
>>67820878
>muh sicrit 4chin memes
>muh oldfags
Am I the only one who went from being mildly annoyed by people who make these "arguments" to straight up despising them over the course of the past couple of weeks? It seems like they're actively trying to ruin the small percentage of movies that actually reach for something, even if they come up short. You can't make a meaningful movie that isn't "dark and edgy desaturated tryhard pseudointellectual grimdark for teenagers muh fun muh colors" (in the words of a manchild piece of garbage who has somehow kept up on the plot of every animated Pixar movie released in the decade or so since it was last acceptable for them to watch an animated Pixar movie).
>>67820975
hahaha epin meme m8.
>>67820970
Yeah but then it would only be for me, and it wouldn't be any fun. Fun, Anon that's the point.
>>67820883
every square except the $1b one is true though
why are you so butthurt?
Ahh yes, Reddit Letter Media
The movie "critics" for people who don't really watch movies because they are "too busy" playing video games and watching animu.
But hey, LE STAR WARS PREQUELS SUCK XDDD right?
>>67820883
can only imagine how asshurt the guy who made that was lmao
>>67820886
Obviously Superman does fit, seeing as how Snyder's Superman is the only one that's actually palatable for an adult with an IQ represented in more than a single digit. Snyder addressed every single reason why Superman is an uninteresting borefest of a character that appeals only to the underdeveloped mind of a child or a /tv/ poster.
>>67820979
Why are you pretending that BvS actually tried to be deep and meaningful?
It was made to kickstart DC's capeshit fests by trying to set up several characters and a justice league movie to compete directly with Marvel.
The problem here is that Marvel has gotten talented people to make their movies and shows while DC gets clowns like Snyder and shit out shows like Arrow, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow.
>>67818390
JW was better than TFA. The reason why /tv/ is mad is because Mike said he liked JW a lot and Jay said it was bad.
In my opinion it was a reasonably entertaining flick (better than TFA).
>>67821080
>Obviously Superman does fit
I guess that's why his version of Superman is universally praised.
I can't believe there's multiple heated debates about fucking Batman v Superman here every day. It's such a forgetable, worthless movie to feel so passionate about one way or the other.
>>67821126
>The problem here is that Marvel has gotten talented people to make their movies and shows
how can you even be this deluded?
what the fuck
>it’s important to keep in mind the Superman/Christ parallels WITHOUT being obvious and heavy-handed about them. Superman has to think differently from us, and when we see into his head, we should be shocked by the clarity and simplicity of his brilliance and compassion. This is a god sent to Earth not to suffer and die but to live and inspire and change the face of the galaxy by his deeds and reputation. This is the man who will take time out from stopping Mongul’s plan to crash Alpha Centauri into our sunsystem just to save a drowning dog or dry the tears of a child.
We also see Superman as the ultimate communicator--invulnerable to pain, he needs none of the physical defensive postures we take for granted and so would be incredibly relaxed and open--the big smile, the instant handshake, the conviction that everyone he meets is to be regarded as a friend until he proves otherwise. Superman should be indefatigable and trustworthy. No more "Bad Superman" or "Crazy Superman" stories for a while.
https://sites.google.com/a/deepspacetransmissions.com/site/Resources/superman-2000-proposal
>>67821080
Protip: Superman was designed for kids and young adults.
>>67821250
>how can you even be this deluded?
Are you telling me that movies like Captain America Winter Soldier is worse than BvS?
In case it wasn't obvious, I am not talking about ALL Marvel movies and shit here.
>>67821262
That's a idealized Superman. Snyder's Superman isn't idealized. He's human.
>>67820934
Superman is one of the few 'big' heroes whose alter ego is an actually relatable person and not just some escapist fapmaterial.
Only other big one I can think of is spider-man.
Literally every other mainstream hero is
>Royalty
>Incredibly wealthy
>A genius inventor-scientist
>Womanizing playboy
>A literal GOD
>Immortal
>Highly decorated super soldier/spy
My friend who got into film crews is still obcessive that TDKR was only given good reviews because of Heath being dead.
He sat in the cinema and physically winced at every Heath scene and reminded me of it, like he was brainwashing himself instead of enjoying the movie.
>>67820883
Obviously he is concerned with making art. If he wasn't concerned with making art, he would have just followed roughly the formula that makes Marvel garbage so appealing to the drooling masses of imbeciles and the children they've shat out. This is especially obvious in light of the fact that he transformed Superman's dull story into one of actual intrigue in a beautifully shot film called Man of Steel, where nearly every frame contributes to a deep allegory for birth (unironically poetry on every level), and it went unappreciated by mounds of garbage unjustifiably referring to themselves as people. He could have very easily about-faced and brightened up his movies to appeal to all of you literal fucking retards, but he didn't. So yes, there is a very clear interest in making art here as opposed to merely pandering to "people" like you. Go drown yourself in fast food you obese, shiteating, mindless consumer.
>>67821343
You could be dead right now. Consider this mercy.
>>67821337
Yes, Even if it weren't, the only thing holding marvel movies up are the acting, the directing, OST, everything technical about them are just fucking shit.
>>67821343
Then he isn't superman. Idealized is the CENTRAL CHARACTER TRAIT
The movie has a lot of technical problems, but the themes and character arcs aren't problematic. You guys have to put your misconceptions at the door and engage the movie.
For example people say that Superman is an asshole or brooding faggot, but that's because they still want Superman out of him. That idealization from past movies and comic books.
This Superman is very humanized. He's just a guy trying to do good things and feeling lost by all the shit the world wants out of him.
Throughout the whole movie you see that he isn't fast enough to save everybody. People complain about Zack Snyder wanting to murder Jimmy Olsen at the beginning of the movie for the chock value and use that as a statement that he's a psychopath shad, but there's a reason for this: he wants to establish right at the beginning that Superman can't save all. That he isn't fast enough.
The same goes for the capitol bombing. Superman can't hear or see everything. He has to be aware and check for things. That's why Lex uses a guy who blames Superman for Metropolis because he knew that Superman would ignore the man out of shame and guilt.
Everything in the movie shows Superman can't be answer to our problems. That we can't and shouldn't put him pedestal and fault him for our and the world's problems. Because he's someone like us just trying to figure shit and control the little that he can.
People want him to be perfect, to hide his feelings and smile in the face or carnage, to always be there to save everyone, to never lose. Superman can't be that. He can only try and figure his own problems. We're the ones that should take the bulk of our problems.
And that's why a lot of Superman fans and the audience doesn't like this Superman, because he isn't the Superman they've been looking for. He just a guy in tights. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe Snyder shouldn't show us Superman like that. Like a real person. Maybe we need the idealization. I disagree.
>>67821435
Snyder's Superman is about a guy struggling with the humanity's idealization of his image.
>>67821435
>why isn't this interpretation of a fictional character the same as my interpretation?
>REEEE
>>67818290
>implying that a final battle of them jumping around CGI lava isn't great
>>67821366
People are allowed to have differing opinions. Where they go wrong is when they expect you to care about them.
Theses guys lost all credibility when they started reviewing only flicks. Rarely review films or movies.
>>67821362
>Literally every other mainstream hero is
GL isn't. Daredevil isn't. Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, etc.
I also find it funny how you greentext
>>A literal GOD
When defending supes as being "human", when he is often regarded as a "god".
>>67817853
>>67819268
What the actual fuck?
>>67821574
Broadcasting that on a board that's about sharing our opinions?
>>67818390
Jurassic World was a cash grabbing rehash just like Ep. VII, but it had Memelord in it and the quips were non-stop. All movies must now be dense with quips or be labeled "too dark"
>>67821404
>Yes
Stopped reading here and won't bother reading or replying to you anymore.
There seems to be no limits to the delusions of the fanboys defending BvS.
>>67817925
Yeah, but TFA was good and the prequels were shit.
RLM didn't "lose" credibility, only contrarian NEETs on /tv/ think that
>>67821136
I agree, It isn't great, but it at least isn't a literal copy of the plot. JW at least did something with the brand vs most rehashes
>>67821677
>TFA
>good
>>67821661
we both know you read the whole thing cuck
>>67819139
*tips fedora*
indeed intelligent sir, lets all watche the butchered cliffnotes movie known as 2001: A Space Odyssey ;)
>>67821677
>TFA was good
my 60 year old dad started cracking up during the final duel
>>67821618
Do you expect anyone to care?
>>67818333
The majority of people watching and liking it didn't really give a shit about "art", they just liked it.
>>67818199
To add to your point, I'll answer the shitposter problems you posted
>the pacing is trash
Pacing was fine
>horrible script
Was not bad
>bad editing
Not really, very easy to follow along especially the second time watched
>too dark
Opinion
>no quips
That's a plus
>no fun
Opinion
>bad acting
By whom?
>muh comics
?
>batman doesn't kill
This is not your "canon" Batman, this is a Batman of another Earth who is less lenient on a "NO Kill" policy
>superman doesnt smile
Don't see how this is a flaw. Also, millions of people are either scared of him and hate him. What is there to smile about?
>lois lane's hair is the wrong color
These negatives are becoming pathetic
>Lex Luthor is a young twink, i like my men older and bald
He has a shaved head by the end of the film and is Lex Jr
>no story
There was a story
>no character development
There was, also this is movie 2 or many.
>dream sequences
I will agree there should have been less or none, but this does not make the film bad
>no post credits tease
You got one during the half way point of the film
>not enough action
There was plenty of action
>bad CGI
The only time I thought it was not very good was during Doomsday fight. It was fine the rest
>jesus
snooze
>training montage was too dudebro
Opinion
>>67821677
>TFA was good
>>>/wsg/951657
>>67821988
>basically handwaves away all negatives
So the movie was basically perfect? 9/10 at the lowest?
>>67822041
Yes
>>67821988
the dream sequences were also a tease senpai
but yeah these complaints i've seen between both BvS and MoS
>>67821902
Well, no but...
>>67818199
>>the pacing is trash
>>horrible script
>>bad editing
>>bad acting
These are "straws"?
>they took the capekino hype seriously
>they thought BvS was going to be a philosophical and intellectual film
>they trusted snyder, whose only good film is an almost shot-for-shot adaptation of someone elses work
>>67822070
Posts like this is why absolutely no one takes you people seriously.
>>67822144
Posts like this is why absolutely no one takes you people seriously.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/warner-bros-respond-to-batman-v-supermans-success-theres-a-a132701
>"There is no question this is an extraordinary achievement," the studio's domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein said today. "Clearly, audiences have embraced it and we are already seeing repeat business. It's just fun. Often, there's a disconnect between critics and audiences. It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies." Perhaps the most noteworthy comment there is the fact that they're seeing repeat business for the movie. It won't be until next weekend that we see how much of an impact word of mouth will have had on Batman v Superman, but people going back to see it again and again will definitely help.
>It's just fun. Often, there's a disconnect between critics and audiences. It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.
>It's just fun.
>It doesn’t take itself seriously
Which is it, WB? Is it being panned because it's just fun and not serious, or is it being panned because it's too smart for people who just want fun and not seriousness?
>>67821612
Oh please.
<Green Arrow
>a wealthy playboy and billionaire industrialist turned outspoken socially-progressive politician
<Daredevil
>A brilliant and well-known lawyer who 'always seems to get the hot chicks, even though he's blind.'
<Green lantern
>Cocky and womanizing. Regarded as one of the best fighter pilots in the world.
The other 3 are not what anyone would consider mainstream, aside from the first 2 being known as batman's sidekicks.
>>67822041
8/10
Film has flaws, but the one's mentioned on /tv/ and by critics are nitpicks that don't make the film magically "bad".
>>67822223
>the studio's domestic distribution chief
why would his thoughts on the movie have any impact on your opinion?
the fuck
>>67821988
This is the equivalent of saying "no u" when being insulted by someone. Fucking worthless.
>>67818805
3:00
>Phraseology often used in the context of douching, where sperm can often be beyond the reach of a douche.
K E K
There's no way this isn't a joke.
>>67822144
>>67822180
Posts like these is why absolutely no one takes you otherkin seriously.
>>67821658
In spite of how much I disliked JW, at least it wasn't so cynical on rehashing things from Jurassic Park as TFA did from ANH. Otherwise, a rich old man would invite 3 scientists to gave their support to his brand new attraction Jurassic World, please not confuse with Jurassic Park because our island has a T-Rex 10 times bigger. Also, the old man invites his grandchildren. But that's OK because the main scientist is a woman and the children were adopted from Mexico and Africa
>>67822389
LMAO
DOUCHE!!!
KEKE!!!
>>67822377
Why would it NOT? Movies are a business first and foremost. I hated this movie, and then I see the people who made it defending it using two opposite argument- one that it's too smart and not meant to be just mindless fun, one that that is just mindless fun.
That shows the movie's creators are using the "anything goes" approach to defending it. Which makes their defense invalid. The movie SUCKS, JUST ACCEPT IT.
>>67822277
But Superman is relatable... because of Clark Kent? Which isn't even the real him?
Funny.
What's even more funny is
>Regarded as one of the best fighter pilots in the world.
Which is merely the reason why he was chosen for a specific projet. Very little different from an astronaut. This very very rarely even comes into play in the actual series since he's basically just a rank and file space cop that doesn't put on a persona.
>>Cocky and womanizing.
Because normal human beings can be this, right? Are you some kind of massive beta virgin?
>you were born just in time to witness the battle in which the /tv/ consensus on BvS is formed
Pure fucking capekino or weak imitation of marvel success?
next few weeks will decideand you are part of it
>>67822387
And the problems that I was responding to weren't? Okay
>>67822471
i can't even tell if this post is tongue in cheek or what
>mfw i will never waste my money or time on this god awful movie
>>67822389
What's funny about that?
>>67822577
instead you'll waste both posting in every thread about it every single day
>>67822545
It's not. Movies like this aren't art, they're commercial diarrhea. They exist merely to be advertisements for themselves and their IP's.
To think otherwise is naive. This was a 2.5 hour advertisement for the Batman v Superman merchandise brand and forthcoming Justice League movie brand.
And it was so obviously cynical that it makes me really sad and curious to see why people who don't work for WB are defending that cynicism. Does that come from naivete, too, or uber-cynicism?
>>67822443
Yes, his mother saying "he is beyond your reach now" is clever allegory for... Douching. 10/10 filmmaking, Snyder is a genius.
This guy is reaching so much, his arms are going to fall off.
>>67822638
Cynicism: A four syllable word for any thought to big for little minds.I'm actually serious, and I hope your entire life is characterized by misfortune.
>>67822638
Get over yourself you fucking pseudo-intellectual
>>67822638
Cynicism and naivete are antithetical you simpleton fuckwit.
>>67819961
>Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises — all noxious — which were bellwethers of our culture’s decline.
Based Armond bringing the bants
>>67822751
>>67822707
>>67822722
WBIDF go now.
The movie SUCKED. Deal with it.
>>67822619
>instead you'll waste both
I waste money by posting? I also only come once or twice to 4chan per week and rarely will I come to /tv/.
But you go ahead and sit and refresh /tv/ while zealously defending capeshit day in and day out.
>>67819496
I really hope they do this.
>>67822144
Posts like this is why absolutely no one takes you people seriously.
>>67821047
Because putting a picture of Jesus right next to Superman's head is really deep. Go fuck yourself.
>>67819283
>implying that people didn't shit on this movie because of phallic imagery
>>67822920
holy fuck lmao.
Look up garden of Gethsemane, dumb cunt.
>>67819163
It would've been one of the high points if they followed through with the hearing sub plot, that way it would be more than padding and window dressing. They just pissed it away though and never follow up on it, and yet just expects people to accept that the world loves him now that he's dead.
>>67822389
>i can't take it seriously because he said a silly word
this site is 18+ the dude is literally interpreting the movie and yes there is a reference to douching because the whole movie is an allegory for pregnancy
>>67821372
>into one of actual intrigue
What's intriguing about murderman demolishing buildings full of innocent people?
>>67817957
you are retarded and want all superhero movies to be retarded and have no deep? I guess you prefer quips
>>67821439
It's incredible on several layers how both in the film and in the movie superman just can't catch a break.
Almost for the same reasons in the movie and as a reaction to the film
>>67821677
The prequels were at least star wars movies.
Star wars force awakens was not a star wars film.
>>67823006
I hope you don't think that BvS was actually deep and a great movie?
There was nothing smart or intelligent about this movie.
>>67822920
>>67823005
>If someone says a movie is deep or has intrigue, then obviously they are referring to this singular element of the movie that I've cherrypicked out for my narrative
This level of stupidity should be bannable. You cannot have a functioning forum or message board when people this shitty are allowed to participate, period. There's almost nothing that warrants a ban more than these types of posts.
>>67823016
what does that even mean?
>>67823016
>The prequels were at least star wars movies.
>Star wars force awakens was not a star wars film.
This is retarded. The problem with the prequels was that they weren't SW movies and the problem with TFA was that it copied too much from the original trilogy while just making it worse.
>>67821439
i really liked this Superman. He isn't perfect and is relatable, somehow that's a bad thing to people
>>67822954
The hearing wasn't supposed to be Superman being heard, but to show that people will never give him the time of day as per Lex point.
>>67822389
Post reminds me of the first year of health class in elementary school. How is that not a permanent ban for age violation? Christ this board is garbage.
>>67822508
what a time to be alive!
>>67817853
They're right though.
>>67819961
>This displeases the fanboy/hipster whose adolescent embarrassment about feelings was exploited through Nolan’s emotionless violence and post–9/11 nihilism
fucking REKT
Late to the party, just watched the movie.
In Bruce's nightmare of an evil Sups tyrann, who was that time-travelling nigger with a moustache telling him he was right? Only part that got me scratching my head.
Did any of you guys see it that the theatre? If so how was the audience reaction?
>went to go see it couple days ago
>at the end half the audience actually clapped (Murika)
>>67817892
Its a completely reasonable request
>>67823209
The Streak
>>67823221
wtf
I thought this was a meme
>>67823170
You're literally a bad person for agreeing with those "points." You're indirectly responsible for all bad media that's ever been produced.
serious question, how far away is Metropolis supposed to be from Gotham? I always thought they were two of DC America's largest cities that were in completely different parts of the country, but this made it out to be that they were just on opposite sides of a river.
>>67823006
It doesn't have to be super gritty and depressing to have depth. Especially when the whole point of Superman is that he's obviously optimistic and heroic.
>>67822480
Well maybe Hal Jordan might be a bit of a stretch in that regard, yeah, but surely you can't disagree that characters like this are in the extreme minority?
And what the fuck are you even saying
>Clark Kent isn't even the real him
Have you ever even read a single superman comic or watched any of his movies?
