Is Pom Poko masterpiece among drawn cinema?
It's good. Kaguya and Only Yesterday are Isao's best though.
>>67772570
>cartoons
>good
no.
>giant testicles are muh culture
Japan is such a joke of a country.
>>67772570
Magic Ballsacks
>>67773432
I never said it wasn't funny and great, but Japan is literally one giant joke.
>>67773551
You are literally mad.
>>67773602
>>67773515
>>67773377
>joke
You are saying this as a gaijinfuck man. You will never know the true elegance of fat coon sacs and farting.
>>67772570
It's great, but masterpiece..?
"let's get wasted and play with our nuts." said the creature whose statue sits outside of 90% of restaurants in Japan.
That is shit they teach their children.
>>67772570
>cartoon
>cartoon animals reprented as people
>masterpiece
>>67773377
says the faggot posting on a Japanese fetish board owned by a Japanese fisherman
fuck you
>>67774074
animé=/=cartoon
>>67772570
The best moment was when they introduced the masters of disguise
AYAYAYAAAAAAAAA
>>67773982
sounds like as good a roadmap to human happiness as anything Western philosophy has produced.
>>67773057
>>67774074
How fucking stupid can you people be? 4chan was ruined when the neurotypicals started flooding here en masse in 2007.
>>67774416
>>67774146
>>67774205anime are cartoons senpai.
>>67774935
This. Though I consider cartoonish normie anime like TTGL and kill la kill cartoons no matter what the weeaboos say.
Avatar done right
>>67773032
>Not Heidi
>>67775074
Looked like ones to me so I dropped them. But you're totally free to have your own unique snowflake definition of what constitutes a cartoon.
>>67775436
Sorry but you won't be able to convince me to watch cartoons.
>>67775659
I don't get what you're prattling about then. Some people just don't like cartoons, deal with it.
>>67775763
>schizophrenia
>>67776925
what anime is this?
>>67776952
The best one, Ben Hur.
>>67772570
>anime
watch some meaningful animation
>>67776879
Hmm I don't think you still understand what cartoon means despite multiple people trying to educate you. It isn't an exclusive term, some cartoons are made in Japan, some in America, no biggie. Animé however is exclusive, there's no "American animé". Capisce?
>>67777102
Literally none of the films in that image have a narrative ROFL
Based redditbro
>>67777353
go ahead and tell me about this narrative then redditbro
>>67777449
>I don't know or care what they are,
Yeah unfortunately none of them are on CrunchyRoll so it's too bad you won't see them, redditbro
>>67777317
>I never said cartoons can't be made in Japan.
"An animé can be a cartoon."
>I said that anime and cartoons are not the same thing.
"An animé can't be a cartoon."
Wew.
>>67777598
>Again, I never said anything about whether or not the works themselves have narratives. I said they have narratives attached to them.
So what are these narratives redditbro?
>>67777689
Why don't you know the narratives when you're so adamant they exist redditbro?
>>67777648
This is the stupidest thing I've heard today. I bet you think AtLA is animé too.
>>67777804
Because you insist they exist, redditbro
>>67777927
>Reddit is filled with art-illiterate anime-obsessed children
>you're an art-illiterate anime-obsessed child
pretty simple desu
>>67777927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime
Read it up you stupid reddit fuck.
>>67777648
That's like saying
>not all people born from humans are human
>>67778045
But you admit to being anime-obsessed therefore you are also art-illiterate and a childb
>>67778107
Yeah it's been clear from the start your eclectic snowflake interpretations and definitions trump the scholastic consensus.
>>67778185
I know Tezuka is the one who started what we generally call anime. But still, anime is just slang for Japanese animation. And therefore, even if you set up a Disney studio there, it will be anime.
>>67778185
>Being anime-obsessed does not make anyone art-illiterate or a child, Redditor.
That's exactly what it does actually, redditbro. Being obsessed with a facile pseudo-art that indulges in showing off cartoon panties and EPIC SPACE ROBOTS does exactly that.
>>67778344
>Anime is a form of Japanese animation that started in 1963 with Astro Boy.
That's simply incorrect no matter how strongly you feel about it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime
>Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
It's not my opinion it's the scholastic consensus.
>>67778397
How am I wrong? I used to watch anime when I was about 10 so I speak about it from experience.
>>67777056
Literally fuck off you pretentious piece of shit
You aren't better than everyone just because you pretend to understand conceptual works of art.
I'm willing to bet you couldn't even write a brief summary of even one of smith's themes that wasn't a piece of garbage drivel.
>>67778564
Why? I do know because I have watched plenty of anime, redditbro
>>67778538
It's a good recap for new people of the about 40 books on animé I have.
>It simply is correct no matter how much it offends you.
Are you trolling or genuinely a bit dumb? I think you got me with your 'epic' ruse. Good job.
>>67778638
How do I not know what I'm talking about, redditbro? This is first-hand experience!
>>67778818
It is when you're literally the only person (multiple personalities don't count) on this planet that believes that.
>>67778818
I already explained why you're reddit! You're an anime-obsessed art-illiterate child like the rest of them.
>>67777056
>blobs and strokes and weird shit
>so intellectual amirite?
>>67778964
Yet you're utterly incapable of finding even one source (anecdotal imaginary books don't count) that has animé start at 63 with Aster Boy.
Try books.google.com
>this thread
>>67778999
No you didn't. You just said that I'm wrong without explaining why (which is a sign of art-illiteracy), redditbro.
What are we discussing anymore
>>67779210
Cute. I have 1200 titles on MAL.
You know you've been 'le tricked' when you see quite literally every logical fallacy in action.
>>67779315
Woah redditbro, just take it easy.
>>67779498
A lot of people can read hundreds or thousands of reddit comments and still understand nothing about what they're talking about.
You could make a lot of money IRL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2YMWTBGl8
>>67779542
>You have absolutely no conceivable reason whatsoever to keep calling me this.
Wtf I already explained
>>67774205
anime is literally the japanese word for cartoon.
>>67780107
so what? outside japan it means something that's intellectually the opposite of a cartoon
tfw you don't have about 30 books on anime
>>67780299
cartoons made for the teen demographic are the intellectual opposite of cartoons made for small children?
>>67780466
>And I explained that you're full of shit.
Wtf no you didn't. you just had a spergout and now are copy pasting yourself, redditbro
>>67780377
asians have higher IQs and the teen stuff there is equivalent to the more cerebral adult stuff here. so yeah it's the opposite of cartoons
>>67780540
See what I mean? Sperging out. Typical of weebs.
>>67780299
>My animes are mature and complex, something you normies would never understand the true intricacy of my loli cat girls
>>67780570
What do you call copy pasting yourself over and over again, redditbro?
>>67780634
there you go sperging out again
>>67780713
What are you doing right now, redditbro?
>>67780764
There you go again with the sperg out
Mods please ban everyone in the last 30 minutes of this thread
>>67780802
What do you call spamming the same block of text over and over again, redditbro?
oh good, a retarded faggot fight!
>>67780873
you have like 100 instances of the word reddit in that post, you have no grounds to say that i'm the one who keeps talking about it
>>67772570
I bet OP had no idea that he would create the all time worst thread in the history of /tv/
>>67780968
you won't explain to me how anime isn't for children/redditors :/
>>67781056
>Anime is not just for children
well also for manchildren
>>67772570
Wait....what's up with the those testicles? Why draw them at all? Why not just leave them out like a normal cartoon?
>>67781147
>muhh cartoon vs muhh anime
No one fucking cares autist.
Just answer the question. Why do these characters have nutsacks?
inb4 they're not characters, they're...
>>67772570
Takahata's worst film
>>67774146
>>67781147
Argumentum ad infinitum. Some "no" without any clarification or sources isn't an adequate enough refutation to take note of. Are you a bit dense maybe? You are like the sheep in Animal Farm.
>>67781347
Cool story. No one cares.
So, why do these squirrels or whatever have nut-sacks?
>>67781394
What creditability are you exactly expecting with nothing but your emotions to back you up?
>>67776925
I wish dreamworks would do more films like that. Their films have great visuals but they are just wasted on crap stories.
>>67781526
I want to find out and discuss the actually OP dumbfuck. Hence, my question about the movie.
Seriously, no one cares about your weird autistic tangents.
>>67781664
Yes you haven't backed up absolutely anything. At most you've referred to your feelings of how something is as proof of how it is.
>>67781862
Can you stop being autistic and just talk about the movie please?
>If you just wanted to discuss it then you wouldn't have called it a cartoon
Princess Kaguya is Takahata's masterpiece. Pom Poko is very good though. All people remember are the testicles, but its a great little oddity.
>>67781756
>>67781469
It's part of the story. The balls give the raccoons magic powers.
>>67782033
Where do you live? In the USA people refer to cartoons and anime interchangeably quite a bit. It isn't a issue. Stop the weeb autism son.
>>67781979
What happens with the testicles?
>>67782172
>More Weeb Autism
KEK
>>67782172
Animated shows/movies=Cartoons in America
Animated shows/movies=Anime in Japan
>>67782002
>Anime and cartoons are self-evidently different
How so? There's many animé cartoons.
>And you're the one who's backing things up with emotions since you keep talking about them.
I'm dismissing things that aren't backed by anything but emotions. That's completely reasonable.
>>67777056
>western animation
the only times its worth it its when they emulate anime like in >>67776925
>>67782324
no one cares
>>67782366
in what way is it emulating anime?
>>67782366
>Prince of Egypt emulates anime
Do you actually watch anime?
>>67782324
>Cartoon is also very often used as a derogatory term
To who? Super autistic weebs like yourself?
NO ONE HERE FUCKING CARES ABOUT YOUR WEIRD WEEB WARS. Get over it son. Get to the topic!
Did you see the movie? Is it good? What's the deal with the balls?
>>67782324
most american shows are animated in japan/south korea,so its not the artist,you can say you hate the content of american animation but that doesnt make them fundementaly different.
that would be like saying transformers is not a movie because you dislike it.
>>67772570
what's with the nutsacks in this movie
>>67782462
nips are furfags
>>67782462
I wish I knew.
Sorry Anon, but this thread isn't about the OP. It's about some weeb spazzing out over grammer.
>>67782503
>Anti-anime activists
U WUT M8?
>>67782503
anime and american animation have many different styles
the fact is they are both ANIMATED and that is why they are the same medium.
>>67782503
>>>>>>Anti-anime activists
>>67782576
Cool story Mr. Autism
>>67782426
Animé isn't a form of animation but a classifier of where it's drawn. You have been educated and given proper sources many times already. What's the problem anymore?
>I didn't back anything up with emotions but since you keep bringing up the topic it means that you're the one who's backing things up with emotions. You're just projecting.
Meme logic.
There are still weebs who get triggered by the word 'cartoon'?
I thought all you people either fled 4chan or killed yourselves.
>>67782503
>Anti-anime activists
My sides
>>67782643
>where it is drawn
80% of american animation is technically anime then since it is made in japan and korea
>>67782615
>>Anti-anime activists
I know this thread is a mess and I shouldn't join in, but while anime and cartoons aren't the same they're also not mutually exclusive. "Cartoon" doesn't mean western animation either, nor is it indicative of quality.
My Neighbors the Yamadas is an anime, but it's also a cartoon.
Emperor's New Groove is a cartoon. Pocahontas is an animated feature. Emperor's New Groove is still better.
Winsor McKay's Little Nemo shorts are cartoons, since he was a cartoonist adapting his newspaper work to animation. Winsor McKay's Sinking of the Lusitania on the other hand has no significant stylistic roots in his work as a cartoonist, and shouldn't be lumped in. Of course there's all sorts of middle ground, and you could debate whether or not something like Bambi is a "cartoon," since it obviously owes a debt to classic cartoon shorts but so does nearly everything else. Things get blurry and its not worth fighting about.
>>67782662
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anti-anime activists
IS THIS REAL LIFE?
>>67782662
animation is animation
just like movies are movies
and music is music
differing qaulity and styles does not make them apart of different mediums.
>>67782740
>>67782753
>>67782740
>Anti-anime activists
bUT ARE THEY Kino?
>>67782740
this is like saying
>film,flick,movie
yeah there is differing qaulity but at the end of the day they were all presented in the same format.
>>67782763
BUUUUTTTTTTTT KINO!!!!!!!! ANIME!!!!! KINO!!!! ANIMEEEEEE! CARTOONS!!!!
>>67782693
Animé is drawn in Japan, not Korea. Yes, much of American produced and funded animated shows are drawn in Korea. How is that relevant?
>>67782732
Is that you, Ken-Sama? I thought you were dead.
>>67782846
>Anti-anime activists
kek
>>67782896
Gomenasai, my name is Ken-Sama.
I’m a 27 year old American Otaku (Anime fan for you gaijins). I draw Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior Japanese games. (Disgaea, Final Fantasy, Persona series)
I train with my Katana every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.
I speak Japanese fluently, both Kanji and the Osaka dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Japanese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%
When I get my Japanese visa, I am moving to Tokyo to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an animator for Studio Ghibli or a game designer!
I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Japan, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.
Wish me luck in Japan!
>>67782846
your whole arguement
>anime is different then cartoons because it is a different form of animation
when
>cartoon is literally the american word for animation
they are apart of the same format.
>>67782866
I'm Back! HERE TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL ANIME KINO!
Call me Ken-Senpai now!
>>67782854
Those are usually quality judgements though, I'm trying to make a stylistic judgement.
>>67782846
Anime means japanese animation. If somebody in Japan develops an anime that's inspired mostly by UPA and Looney Tunes, they're making a cartoon.
This autistic fuck is getting roasted.
WEEB PIGGU GO HOME
what the hell is happening in this thread.
>>67782846
>They are mutually exclusive. They are completely different forms of animation.
It's been explained to you many times ITT that animé means Japanese produced or drawn animation and cartoon is just a subset of characteristics of animation, neither of which excludes the other. Which part in this concept is so hard to understand?
>>67783024
>Anti-anime activists
>>67782992
Anime is already inspired by Disney cartoons.
By your own logic anime is cartoons. Bam - fuckin' checkmate.
>>67782366
>Prince of Egypt emulates anime
What in Ra's name is this fucktard talking about?
>>67783024
>Again, what does have have to do with me?
He is you, ya greasy weeb fuck.
>>67783024
Animation=the technique of photographing successive drawings or positions of puppets or models to create an illusion of movement when the movie is shown as a sequence.
literally what "cartoons" and "anime" both are
>>67783066
>Anime is a form of Japanese animation that started with Astro Boy in 1963. It is not equivalent to all Japanese animation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime
>>67781091
They're apparently sacks, but not the testicular kind.
>>67783132
>>67783066
Did you see the movie? Is it good? What's the deal with the balls?
>>67783132
>Anime is a form of Japanese animation that started with Astro Boy in 1963. It is not equivalent to all Japanese animation.
That is incorrect. Animé=animation produced and/or drawn in Japan. Period, no buts.
>>67783165
What other kind of sacs do animal have?
Guys how do I become an Anti-anime activist?
It's time to take this fight to the streets.
>>67783185
Cartoons=Animation
Anime=Animation
>>67783214
Yes.
>>67773377
Im not going to lie, I couldnt take the movie seriously because of the little fuzzy ballocks in every shot. I watched the whole thing but feel they couldve left this out, its just funny in a movie about talking animals.
>>67783318
>Anime (Japanese: アニメ?, [anime])[a] is Japanese hand-drawn or computer animation. The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese, where this term references all animation without regards to the nation of origin
fuck off weeb
>>67783318
>Wrong. Anime is a form of Japanese animation that started with Astro Boy in 1963. It is not equivalent to all Japanese animation.
Do you have a source for this. The scholarly consensus is that animé is animation produced and/or drawn in Japan.
>autistic weeb got banned
Mods confirmed for anti-anime activists.
>>67783245
I was wondering the same thing.
>>67783214
How do we become an "anti-anime activist"? The crew is ready to go.
fucking anti-anime activists i tell you
Since you deleted all your comments in utter shame and all of my comments are now replies to nonexistent messages I take it I have won this argument.
>>67772570
Can someone please fucking tell me if this movie was any good? AND WHAT IS UP WITH THE BALLS?
>>67783067
No I'm this guy >>67782740
I'm saying that anime CAN be cartoons, and that enough animation is ultimately indebted to early cartooning that you could make an argument for using the word to refer to any of them, doing so is reductive and overlooking how animation is extremely varied yet cartoon is a word with narrower implications.
I mean cartoon does technically mean "hand drawn animation," but these days it's used mostly to refer to something with a specific set of sensibilities and goals. We use the word "cartoonish" to describe things in real life, but when you say that you don't mean "like an animated movie," you mean that it's like the branch of animation that puts much greater emphasis on simplicity, absurdism, and exaggeration.
>>67783856
>much greater emphasis on simplicity, absurdism, and exaggeration
Like anime?
It's really interesting to see how Takahata developed intimacy in such an epic scope of a story that this is, while maintaining taste in superb animation, while not his most personal. He really got hang of his problem with editing dialogues majorly making it group focused, solving Only Yesterday's stiffness.
>>67777056
You really can't be comparing narrative animation to the kinds of Jordan or Borowczyk, right?
>>67783929
Some anime sure, but a lot of it is concerned with plot and continuity in a very uncartoony way, and humor usually isn't the top priority.
The absurdism and exaggeration are often there, but usually not to any remarkable degree - it tends to follow more grounded rules than something like Betty Boop, Ren and Stimpy, Spongebob, etc.
A character turning into a chibi crying massive tears and wagging their arms about in a big motion smear - that's cartoony, and a show/movie with those kinds of stylistic breaks can be anything from "anime that lapses into cartoonishness" to "anime that is also a cartoon." Depends on how much you think your understanding of an anime's "reality" is effected by those things. Pom Poko's a good example since its mostly got a consistent realistic visual style, but the tanukis shift between being realistic, anthropomorphized, and a minimalist doodle.
Simplicity in anime I'll spot you, my mistake. 2D animation across the board tends to demand simple character designs .
>>67783485
its good and the balls are magic
