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Just try and defend this garbage Could they be any lazier with
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Just try and defend this garbage

Could they be any lazier with their cgi shitfest?
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Literally who gives a flying fuck?
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>>67756209
Bad guys aren't supposed to have feelings. Showing Kylo Ren getting spanked and crying only telegraphs that he's not really a bad guy and he's actually trying to dismantle Snoke's new sith empire from the inside.
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>it's a "prequel apologist grasps for straws" episode
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It's easily defended: You didn't know it was CGI until you saw this.
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>>67756209
No one knew this was CGI until they pointed it out
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Are you stil posting about last years old ass news? Can't you at least post in the BvS threads iff you need to shitpost
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I thought it was better than Pulp Fiction
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>>67758548
>>67759242
I don't think people should be so easily impressed by this. At this point we've pretty much mastered full 3D photography. We've got shit that can scan people down to the most minute detail. Nowadays it isn't about building resources from scratch so much as it is about finding the corresponding angle texture to overlay some animation. This particular case is just a nearly static mask, not much different than a good shoop.
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>>67756209
what many don't seem to grasp is that in it's similarities to episode 4, I mean fuck they basically copied the movie and threw in SJW satisfying cast, they emulated what episode 4 did in it's time: it's the perfect setup for the next, superior part.
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>>67758548
did you know that everything on your monitor is CGI? bet you never thought of that before
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>>67759386
I'm not impressed by it, I just think that it's silly to criticize the film over this one shot.
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this movie was a complete mess, the special effects aren't even worth mentioning compared to the story or direction really
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>>67759845
>this movie was a complete mess
It's the only watchable film in the series, to be quite honest with you right now.
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>>67759885
>le trolololololol
okay senpai
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>>67756209
That CG Kylo Ren looks good

CG Snoke....... not so much
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>>67760002
lol snoke is like a cheap copy of voldemort
literally the only new character who doesn't look like garbage is vader 2
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>>67756209
how is that supposed to be lazy?

if you wanna see lazy, check >>>/3/ some day
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>>67760002
THATS THE THING THAT IS DUMB
Snoke is humanoid, with facial scarring and shit, BY WHY DO HIM IN CG WHEN HE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH MAKE-UP???????

I thought Snoke was going to be this really fucked up Wayne Barlow alien looking thing that could not be done be a guy in the suit, but when they showed him, I was like WHY DO A HUMAN LOOKING GUY WITH CG, MAKE-UP WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER
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Why is he so beautiful mates?
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>>67760076
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why was this speech necessary? aren't the stormtroopers programmed from birth to fight?
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>>67760158
the speech was necessary because somehow jj thought that comically overt nazi imagery would come across as serious filmmaking
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>>67760027
>literally the only new character who doesn't look like garbage is vader 2
Rey, Poe, BB-8, Hux, and Phasma all look fine
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>>67760158
Large, operatic gestures imply power, which is part of the programming.
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>>67760192
The original trilogy is full of Nazi and fascist imagery. There are speeches like that in the prequel trilogy too.
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>>67760158
Not since they're not clones anymore. Which is why they hire gangbangers who already sorta know how to fight.
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>>67760195
i meant cgi character, I guess r2d2 2 looks okay but phasma looks like a generic disney cartoon and her script is even worse
this whole movie was fucking trash, even worse than I had expected. Why is everybody hugging all the time, they just met each other! fucking fourth rate hack spielberg clone
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>>67760227
yeah but they don't use backgrounds and costumes that look like they came out of storage from Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS. the creators of this movie think their audience is REALLY stupid
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I just finished watching TFA. It was great.
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>>67760308
They literally used slightly modified nazi weapons as prop weapons, anon. In the old trilogy.
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>>67760264
Calm down. I get that you're upset that a Jewish director cast a black man and a white woman in the leads, and that upsets you, but be rational about your critiques. Phasma doesn't just look great, she's the most aesthetically interesting new character in the film. Her lack of development is only a "flaw" because people were so drawn to how she looked before the film came out. They wanted a real character, not a tertiary one. No one cares that Hux is equally undeveloped.

>why is everybody hugging all the time
There are 2 hugs in the movie.
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>>67760333
yeah but they didn't LOOK like nazi weapons. Stormtroopers didn't have fucking nazi uniforms on. Officers weren't dressed like the SS.
name me one thing even remotely as overt and clumsy as that red backdrop and speech in the OT
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>>67759436
I've got spots of dried up cum on my monitor and it's not CGI.
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>>67756209
You sound like a total cunt.
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My name is your reckoning
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>>67760308
Dude. The costumes in the OT were basically Wehrmacht uniforms. The main villains were called Stormtroopers.
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>>67760383
But they did. Even Vader's helmet was extemely reminiscent of the nazi stahlhelm.
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>>67760374
>Her lack of development is only a "flaw"
>implying she isn't Bobba Fett 2.0 and the small scenes she is in will be waifu'd for the next 20 years
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>>67760232

movie explicitly stated stormtroopers are brainwashed child soldiers

>>67760158
anyways, i assume the officers arent brainwashed, also its probably good for the stormtrooper morale
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>>67760422
>Even Vader's helmet was extemely reminiscent of the nazi stahlhelm
His helmet was a copy of the classic samurai helm
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>>67760383
>you named your main infantry force the same as the military wing of the Nazi party
>not overt
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>>67760427

>literally traitor
>turns off the shields for no good reason whatsoever
>thrown into a garbage compactor
>single handedly causes the downfall of the starkiller and saves the resistance


i only hope she returns so i can see her treason trial and execution
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>>67760446
It looks far too much like a nazi helm, and if you add all the other nazi themes as well as the weapons, you get a pretty clear picture of how Lucas wanted to portray them.
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>>67760374
phasma isn't interesting or original, she's an elderly chink. just as racist and ridiculous as the prequels, but dressed up a little nicer.
it matters that her character is shit because she's a pivotal plot point. you know what similar character WASN'T shit? Jabba the hutt. the guy just oozed audience interest. the problem isn't that she's not explained, I don't want to see her fucking childhood traumas. The problem is SHIT WRITING. she's introduced as an old friend but there's literally no chemistry between her and solo. Seconds after we meet her she's having tearful exchanges with our protagonist. it's the same fucking problem that plagued the prequels but nobody even talks about it because star wars fans, on the whole, are idiots.
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>>67760449

>stormtroopers
>main force of the wehrmacht

>stormtroopers
>not originally from WW1

imperial officer uniforms resemble germanic ww1 uniforms more than nazi ones too
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>>67760076
>>67760127
his hair is impeccable
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>>67760409
they didn't do the fucking nazi salute. The storm troopers weren't wearing old fashioned nazi uniforms, the officers weren't in black, and nobody was reenacting triumph of the will in their spare time. See the difference?
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>>67760478
>Captain Phasma is Rey
How embarrassing. Please stop posting.
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>>67760264
>>67760308
>>67760478
shut up, I can tell you want to hate this movie by any mean you can find.
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>>67760478
I mixed up phasma with the other one, the tiny good-hearted jabba the hutt standin, sorry
the shiny stormtrooper looks fine
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>>67760484
>Like so many of the most iconic elements of Hitler’s Nazi party, the name storm trooper was simply repurposed from earlier times. Over time, the SA grew into the paramilitary wing of the Nazi party. Used to maintain order, they were widely identified by their brown shirts and black jackboots. Hitler’s SA, and later the SS, were prominent in party propaganda leading up to the outbreak of war. Thanks to newsreels everywhere, the image of jackbooted storm troopers became one of the iconic images of fascism and inspired the iconic stormtroopers of Star Wars.

http://www.starwars.com/news/from-world-war-to-star-wars-stormtroopers
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>>67760002
>>67760027
>>67760046

Try replicating this with make-up.
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>>67760520
Please see>>67760601

The Nazis have always been a major inspiration for the Empire.
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>>67760601

did either mcquarrie or lucas write that?

do those storm troopers look anything like the ones in star wars?


imperial asthetics borrow far more heavily from the german empire than nazi germany
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>>67760623
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>>67760555
>shut up
nice counterpoint, eat shit
I actually went into this movie wanting to enjoy it as good popcorn escapism. Turns out it's not just cynical franchise exploitation, it's a rushed and sloppy piece of shit. the exposition montage is like a shity chinese action movie, there's no flow at all. Remember when the empire murdered several planets worth of people, how much emotional impact that had? Because I think it fell flat and that's a result of shitty writing and overreliance on special effects to drive the story
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>>67756209

It would be lazy if they left that shot in.

That's what makes great editing. To show him in that state would only cause sympathy too early. They need him to be the looming evil force till he finds Han Solo.
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>>67756209
It doesn't need defending.
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>>67760648
>not posting the narrated version of that webm
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>>67756209
Jock strap over the mouth

>>67760158
Cameltoe curtain and asshole helmet

It's fine that Abrams can't read, but the rest of us need something more literate.
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>>67760627
next time try actually responding to my point instead of repeating yourself
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>>67756209
I don't need to defend it.
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>>67760648
Is this really all it took to get the role?
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>>67760668
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>>67760681
You don't have a point. Star Wars is full of WWI and II imagery, and that comes straight from the source.
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>>67760634
I think that starwars.com might have a good grasp of the series' inspiration.
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>>67760816
precisely when did I say "star wars has no wwi or ii imagery"? fuck off
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Episode VII was originally just a TV pilot for ABC. Remember a few years ago when they supposedly 'shelved' he project?
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>>67760921
If your argument is that it's a difference of degrees, then it's a shitty argument.
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Just watched it for the first time, if you never told me the Kylo helmet was CGI I would have thought it was real.

In fact a majority of the FX in The Force Awakens were immaculate except for the orange bitch, Snoke and that tentacle monster.

It's actually so much better than every other Star Wars film it's ridiculous, no wonder George is on suicide watch.

Only decent movie of the prequels is 3, A New Hope has also aged like shit - not even from an FX perspective, but the script.

And no this isn't bait.
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>>67761008
>Only decent movie of the prequels is 3
No it isn't, pretty sneaky of you to try and slip that through. Eat shit, that movie was the worst of the prequels. Or it would be if the other two weren't equally terrible.
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>>67760958
>shitty argument
sounds like your argument is that no meaningful differences in the world are a matter of degree? having a person get shot and die in your film is essentially equivalent to devoting its entirety to their sadistic torture and disembowelment? it's an interesting universe (far far away? you seem to inhabit, I'll give you that
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5 >> 4 >>>> 6 = 7 > 3 >>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>> 2
You know it`s true
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>>67761058
>that movie was the worst of the prequels

How?

>best action scenes
>script isn't as terrible as the prior 2
>Hayden slightly better at acting
>bretty relentless / dark

It's primarily the action that puts it on top of the prequels though.
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>>67760076
>>67760127
His hair is top tier
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>>67761284
I liked the ROTS ending, to be honest. It was almost the same as ROTJ, some shit mixed with some pretty good scenes.
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>>67761284
That ''You were my brother, Anakin'' line alone trumps both TPM and AoTC.
I actually got choked up when it came - I felt nothing while watching the other two.
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>>67761147
Objectively this.
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>>67761284
>best action scenes
CGI shitfest with the girliest lightsaber duel ever devised that dragged on for 40 minutes
>script isn't as terrible as the prior 2

>You are so beautiful
>That's because I'm so in love.
>No, it's because I'm so in love with you!
>So love has blinded you?
>That's not exactly what I meant!

>Hayden slightly better at acting
You're padding your list with bullshit, fuck you.
>bretty relentless / dark
My stool is dark, etc.

Prequel apologists should be euthanized.
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>>67761485
you're so cool
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>>67761377
>I actually got choked up when it came
I know, it's hard to keep a straight face while that bullshit happens.
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>>67761485
He wasnt saying that RoTS was good - merely that it was better than the other two.

Which granted is not much but it`s objectively better from the PT - if TPM was like RoTS, then by the end of PT we would`ve had solid movies.
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>>67761514
>He wasnt saying that RoTS was good
>>67761008
>Only decent movie of the prequels is 3
You're bargaining.
As godawful as 1 and 2 were, they didn't have anything even remotely as dumb as Padme and Anakin's exchange, or something as terribly choreographed and composited as Obi wan and Anakin's duel.
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>>67761561
fuck off, Disney shill. ROTS is better than your precious Abrams' flick
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>>67761561
>didn't have anything even remotely as dumb as Padme and Anakin's exchange
>I HATE SAND
>MIDICHLORIANS LMAO
>Jar Jar (The Gungans in general actually)
>ARE YOU AN ANGEL?
>showing Jedi using specific powers which they never use again when it'd be useful

All of this shit was dumber than Anakain and Padme attempting love talk.
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At least Sith had a good soundtrack which cannot be said about TFA.
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Holly fuck, that as fucking amazing.
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Ok, let's settle this shit
>thumbs up
Or
>middle finger
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>>67761795
only autists think it was a middle finger
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>>67761607
Not by a mile, you contrarian prick. Not even you believe this.
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>>67756209
Yeah, they could have actually been a lot lazier. Go watch Attack of the Clones.
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>>67761661
Were you trying to prove him right? None of those are as awkward and poorly written as the shit in Episode III.
We're splitting hairs here, though. All three movies were equally horrible.
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>>67760158
It was one of the best scenes in the film.
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Reminder that Rian Johnson likes the prequels and Colin fucking Trevorrow is directing episode IX.

This trilogy is going be so shit.
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>>67761795
>erection
Clearly.
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>>67761795
I took it as a thumbs up, this part was hilarious either way.
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Can't wait until my Blu-ray gets here on Tuesday. Bought a couple for my nephews, too.
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>>67761901
TFA will be the best of the 3. Tryhards will prefer episode 8, and episode 9 will be this trilogy's Dark Knight Rises.
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5 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 2
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>>67760076
>>67760127
Disgusting desu
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>>67762089
The safe, boring opinion
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>>67762127
The correct opinion
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>>67761901
>and Colin fucking Trevorrow is directing episode IX.
FUCKING WHY. Couldn't they get Rian to do it too?
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so funny
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>>67756209
Seriously kid, shut the fuck up! Nobody fucking cares about The Force Awakens anymore. I bet you feel like a big boy, huh? Making angry threads about a film that has already had all its problems picked apart. Can everyone on this board just stop beating the dead horse and leave this dogshit series alone?
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>106 posts
>only 37 IP's including me

kek SW fucks are so desperate.
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>>67756209
CGI isn't bad if you don't notice that it exists.
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>>67762152
Rian will be writing the script for ep9 afaik
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>>67762089
I'm prepared for the incoming lynching...
5>4>7>3>6>1>2
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>yfw normies hated star wars and shunned everyone who liked it since 80's
>ITS 2016 FOR CHRIST SAKES
>every normie loves star wars


lmao you cucks cannot get a release can you?

you fuckin skinny fat and neckbreads i see you on the streets with your mummy ''REEE' lmao nerd faggots get dumped on

this board is filled with reddit and /v/ cucks
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I don't understand the point. You could have just put Adam Driver in the damn costume.
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>>67762370
It was probably more expensive to do reshoots for that particular scene than to just add a CG mask
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>>67762294

This is pretty much my list, because fuck Jedi. It sucked.
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It was just as bad as the hobbit movies or indiana jones 4.

fucking hell. i regret seeing this fan fiction turd.
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>>67760227
There is some Nazi like imagery in the first trilogy but not that much really
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>>67760158
I was embarrassed by these scene. So fucking hamfisted and shit, JJ is a shitty autist director who doesn't know what emotionally compelling means.

Except for the dialogue, Lucas did it better in all aspects.
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@67762603
You don't even deserve a proper (You).
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>>67762755
>Lucas did it better
>MUH SAND
>MUH MIDICHLORIANS
>MUH NIGGA JAR JAR BLAKS
bravo anon
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>>67760158

It was for you.
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>>67761896

I literally keked out loud when the super weapons laser split into 4 beams. There is no explainable way they could control it that precisely to hit all the republic planets at once.
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>>67762152

At least johnson is writing it.
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>>67762294

5 > 6 > 4 = 1 > 3 > 2 >>> 7
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>>67763084
It`s not thard hard to imagine how - as the beam travels, it decays and it looses the focus - proper angles and distance measurements - why not?!

But then again, there`s in Star Wars space so...
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>>67760383
>Officers weren't dressed like the SS.

bait right
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>>67760076
>>67760127
I want to be friends with Adam Driver.
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>>67762899
he did though
the force awakens demonstrates just how creative and bold TPM was, even if it was also a complete turd of a movie.
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4 > 5 >powergap> 6 >powergap> 7 > 3 > 1 > 2
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>>67763595
This

and if I had to compare I'd rather have creative shit over boring shit I've seen before
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5>4>1>6>2>7>3

anything else will confirm your pleb status
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>>67763595
>creative and bold
It's literally the same story as A New Hope with younger versions of preexisting characters. The notion that the prequel trilogy is some paragon of originality is fucking absurd.
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>>67763700
>creative shit
That would exclude the prequels.
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>>67763738
Lowest quality b8 I've seen on this board tbqh faM
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Did Kylo's eyes ever go yellow/red in TFA?

I haven't watched the whole thing yet. Its hard to stomach this movie.
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>>67764122
>Its hard to stomach this movie.
Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot. Stop letting /tv/ meme influence your opinion.
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>>67764017
i'm not even bating senpaiutichi.

6 is interchangeable with 1 in my list btw, i rate them both the same
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>>67764197
>he let /tv/ influence him into thinking /tv/ influences people at all
tibbydi cek
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>>67763738
>>67764218
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>>67761485
>>script isn't as terrible as the prior 2
>>You are so beautiful
>>That's because I'm so in love.
>>No, it's because I'm so in love with you!
>>So love has blinded you?
>>That's not exactly what I meant!

>I don't like sand!

>Are you an angel?
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>>67760642
>>67760623
You could. The Vernon guy from Hannibal had scary as fuck makeup.

My point is, if you are going to use CD for Snoke, go crazy, make it non-humanoid, otherwise make it humanoid with make-up, because a guy with make-up is going to be more convincing, especially in close-ups, than a CG model of a guy with gashes in his head.
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>>67756209
>i never liked the star wars movies in the first place because i think Lucas got lucky with the first one
>i know that the franchise can deliver a lot more, becuase it had potential, but Lucas needs to fuck off.
>disney gets the rights and makes a comfy movie, setting characters for the next two movies and even bringing all the original cast
everyone that criticizes this can go fuck themselves, abramovich did a fine job and the movie is a solid 7/10.
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>>67765230
april 1st is over and even then i wouldn't bait about this.
phantom is truly a better piece of film than 2,3 and 7.
it has something that the others lack which is soul.
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kylo ren > anakin skywalker
i like kylo ren. be careful , am not talking about "darth vader".
but fight at the end was stupid. finn has 0 experience with melee weapons and rey has no lightsaber training. kylo can stop laser beams but his ass whooped by rey and finn.
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>>67765668
> Muh Midi-chlorian
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>>67765711
>finn has 0 experience with melee weapons
They showed you and entire scene were you can see that stormtroopers are trained in close combat with melee
>rey has no lightsaber training.
again, an entie scene were you can see Rei fighting with melee
Ren was hurt and bleeding too, they kinda tried to make that scene pausible at leat from the script
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>>67765713
no that's bullshit but other than that its pretty grand, my man.
you should watch it again, this time try to not be influenced by the manchild critics that only want laser sword battles.
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They talked so much about how they were not using cgi in this movie and how they were using sets and stuff, but it looks exactly like the prequels did except it's been ten years since the last one of those so it just looks better now. It's all green screens and cgi like always
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>>67765711
>finn has 0 experience with melee weapons
>rey has no lightsaber training

All of their moves were basic swing-attack and dodge/parry tricks - it`s pretty obvious phampalam.
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>>67765870
>but it looks exactly like the prequels did
That's fucking retarded. No it didn't. It used as much CGI as the prequels, but it's aesthetically nothing like them.
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>>67765804
>jar jar cringe
>midi-chlorian
>guy from taken dies
>pod - 30 minutes - racing
>awful acting everywhere
>the kid is awful, really
sorry familia, i can't defend phantom, must be one of the worst movies i have seen with that money and big names behind it, it aged like shit too.
you can save parts of episode 2 and 3, but 1?
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i dont really need to download the special features

anywhere i can just watch them?
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>>67766181
jewtube maybe?
use internet faggot.
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>>67766126
one already has an edit which is proper good.
dont remember the name but someone did save it.
its like a real star wars movie.
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>>67766692
anti-Cheese edit?
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>>67765711
>0 experience with melee weapons

did you see tr-8r faggot? He was holding a blaster and he threw it away for the melee baton. The stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite of the First Order/Empire. Why wouldn't they be specialized in a lot of things?
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>>67766770
might be yeah.
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>>67766770
ROTS anti-cheese edit was shit. the most popular one just got rid of canon things that the editor didn't like. He was autistic enough to get rid of the "dark side eyes" and other minor things.
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>>67759425
with episode IX being somewhat of a letdown?
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>>67762089
5>3>4>6=7>2>1
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>>67767639
meme ranking
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>>67767639

upvoted
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>>67767639
5>4>7>6>2>3>1
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>>67768430
>2>3>1

epic
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>>67760438
>movie explicitly stated stormtroopers are brainwashed child soldiers
Brainwashing is just like washing, you need to do it constantly, not just once.
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>>67768430
meme ranking
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>>67768453
>clones isnt better than muh revenge and jar jar spotlight
neck yourself
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5>4>3>6>7>1>2
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well, at least we all agree than 7 it's better than most of the prequels
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>>67760389
>implying reality isn't computer generated
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>>67765568
CUTE
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>>67765477
Mason Verger
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>>67756209
Didn't they do this because they decided later down the line that they didn't want him to have his mask off in this scene? So instead of reshooting, they just stuck the mask over him.
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>>67760158
They're indoctrinated, not programmed robots. That isn't a process that should ever really stop if they want to make sure soldiers stay brainwashed. Pep talks like this would have to happen all the time to further secure loyalty.
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>>67761008
I don't think the helmet is usually CGI. Driver talked about wearing it and it being uncomfortable. It might have just been for that one scene.
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>>67764122
No. His attempt to go full dark by killing Han failed. He was "weakened" by it instead.
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>>67763890
not the whole prequel trilogy, just the first one. and the story is much more original and ambitious, though they do start out in the same way -- republic politics, a jedi story, etc. rather than a complete retelling of a new hope with a conveniently scrappy rebellion even though they won the fucking war
but that's not the main point, the main point is the visuals. say whatever you want about TPM, it LOOKS great. and it looks DIFFERENT. most of the visuals in TFA are aping the old trilogy -- abrams even copies the purple light from empire ! -- and the ones that aren't are very poorly conceived and don't really fit into the visual scheme of the film -- the nazi salute speech and luke's Highlander island at the end come to mind. Even the desert scenes look much more like Mad Max than like Star Wars -- JJ didn't manage (or even attempt) to create a new world and a new look in the same way that lucas did in TPM
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>>67772957
You're right, I haven't glanced at the art books yet but it looks like the director didn't make much use of concept sketches or storyboards for the film.

Shooting these movies seems like the easy part, the hard part comes from working at ILM... designing worlds and characters to inhabit the films.

Phantom Menace, for all its faults, will remain a museum piece.

Empire is still the sweet spot in the series:
https://youtu.be/8B4meZDKLQg
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5=6>3=4>>1>>>2
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>>67760076
Ugly
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I'm not even illegally-downloading this crap
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fun fact: george lucas used real ww2 recordings of planes dog fighting for the space battles in the original trilogy
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>it's a prequel apologist thread
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>>67772957
>Episode VII sucks because it looks too much like star wars!!
>Except when it doesn't look like star wars then it sucks because it doesn't look like star wars!!!

I don't think anything would satisfy you
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>>67779083
>it's a idiot who don't know how to read but insists he's smart episode
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>>67779376
You can technically have a "genius level" I.Q. while still not being able to read a book.
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>>67766126
>literally have to be autistic to be bothered by this.
>clorians gravitate to the force, not the other way around.
>please
>Revolutionary computer-generated images. Transformed the VFX industry as we know it.
>literally anakin
>hoirrbile casting. Anakin is the Dancing-Spiderman of Episode 1. The one thing holding it back from being accepted.
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>>67779750
>IQ
>related to actual intelligence
spotted the 14 year old
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>>67767499
kek, probably
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>>67760464
30 bucks says she'll come back with a revenge story arc in the sequel
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>>67760464
What about Phasma's vagi-chlorian count? She's probably going to be promoted instead.
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>>67760464
So Finn has a redemption arc? Defeats the real traitor.
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>>67761147
As cool as it is that the lightsabers glow on set now, I can't help but think it looks like kids playing with cheap light up toys. Totally hilarious
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>>67780252
That would be interesting, but the Order would just kill him afterwards, since he defected on his first mission.

The only way it would be logical for FN to return is if he had someone to vouch for him within the Order (like a certain Resistance pilot).
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>>67760520
The First Order is deliberately meant to be more fanatical and crazy than the empire.

The only reason you'd have a problem with this is if you're an actual Nazi
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I don't have a problem with Snoke being mocap, especially when he's being mocapped by Gollum Caesar.
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