>ywn be british nobility
Why live?
>>67671632
i'd take advantage of my power and rape maids and kitchen workers
>>67671632
>ywn be a white man oppressing and belittling women, homosexuals and POC
Good. It's 2016, get with the program
But early 20th century is the shittiest time to be of that class.
![sharpe[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fpUgWGP.jpg "sharpe[1].jpg")
>ywn be a filthy common soldier rising through the ranks and gaining commission through skill and determination alone
why use downton abbey period as an example though? post ww1 is the shittiest time to be a noble
You had your pick of over hundreds of years worth of history and you picked the time period where the empire is on its deathknell? When the nobility has almost no real actual power?
>>67671790
That never happened, you had to have a title to begin with.
>>67671810
>cars and hot baths
I'll take the 20th century any day.
>>67671790
>meanwhile Sir Cucklord the Second pays 500 pounds and gets his free stripes and gets to lead without experience and will probably end up sacrificing his troops for little to no glory
Why are period pieces like Downton so popular with people at large?
>>67671928
because its a soap opera
>>67671810
Yeah it seems like the 19th and early 20th Centuries only concerned the Peerage, which is separate from the notion of a Nobility, which tended to play a broader cultural role than the Peerage. A lot of people in Britain have ties to the old nobility, that is entirely common.
Many Scottish nobles allied with the Yorkists to take out Henry VI, and then went through a series of reversals ending in the Glencoe Massacre and plebdom. Had to sell the proverbial castle to pay the rent on the thatched cottage.
Just like today, a title has never meant indefinite political security.
>>67671861
No you didn't.
>>67671861
There were a lot of false claimants to the throne which were at times accepted.
There's a rumour/claim that Edward IV was the last legit ruler of England, and that an Australian should be holding sway in Westminster.
>>67671861
It happened, there was even a case of a private being promoted all the way to field marshal, the highest rank in the British Army
>>67672058
Ah sorry, the claim is against Edward IV's legitimacy. This plays a role in determining Windsor's eligibility.
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/Medieval_EdwardIV_01.htm
>>67672119
Yea, that is one of the more retarded claims out there. He really had no leg to stand on, and Baldrick should feel bad about doing a show saying otherwise.
>>67671723
This. You're worse off in every regard except "muh family" in comparison to the nouveau riche who can afford to buy up your shitty little castle as a summer home.
>ywn be a gold, oil or railway baron cucking British nobility and the queen herself by stealing an English lady with your loads of dosh just to get at her title
>>67671928
I'm only speaking for myself here, but the costumes and settings make me able to look past the shitty drama writing that would otherwise make the show entirely irredeemable. And to that the highlights involving the bigger rise of worker's rights, the nobility getting stuffed and WWI as a back-drop and it's much comfier to watch than something that takes places in the present day. Also, when something takes place in the present day you end up questioning their actions or how things would play out. When it takes place in the past where you're not familiar with how society works and people are supposed to act you end up giving them a bit more leeway in their actions.
>>67671632
Every breath you take
>wanting to be 20th century nobility when you could be landed gentry
>>67672530
This. Downton is comfy as fuck, especially as a redpilled Brit.
>>67672530
This sounds right, although I've never seen the show.
There are better defined roles for actors to play, and the social landscape appears to have a better process of distributing people to established institutions based on concepts of loyalty, integrity, shared values, common history, understanding, ingenuity and all of that good stuff.
>>67671632
>dusk before the fall of nobility
Poetry
>>67671790
I can tell you guys haven't studied science at a serious academic level because, like it or not, geeks and nerds love the big bang theory. And I'm not talking about social fuck ups or outcasts when I say geeks and nerds, I'm talking about intelligent and academically inclined people who have trouble relating to those less intelligent than them. TBBT is yes a multicam sitcom, but it's also a funny and smart sitcom which has been appreciated by scientists, science writers, television critics, and accomplished students for almost a decade now.
4chan is the on losing end of this battle and always will be. TBBT is quite seriously the Frasier of our time; it's hated by the working class and lowbrow laborers who don't catch the physics references, and beloved by educated and middle to upper middle class families.
>>67672983
>implying TBBT doesn't pander to the working class
>>67671632
this would be hell. what the fuck do these shitbags do all day? they get dressed, they have tea, they go to dinner, they get undressed. i'd kill myself
Was suddenly intrigued by this show because I heard a story about it on the radio, but anytime I think of 19th/20th century Britain, all I can think of is the smell of a rancid armpit.
>>67673210
This.
>>67673210
>they get dressed
No, they get someone to dress them. And it takes like an hour, so that eats up some time of your day at least. If you're a woman you'll have a maid brush your hair and make it look nice as well.
Being a noblewoman in the Downton era would be fucking fabulous, though, compared to the preceding centuries. Because they were actually allowed to do more than read books(not by yourself, either, but reading passages aloud to each-other from your books, because reading a book silently by yourself was antisocial) and faint, with an impossibly hot ball or two where they you're just supposed to charm themselves a husband. And if they failed they were reduced to living out their life as a no-fun-allowed spinster. There's modern nuns who have more fun lives.
Ending up as a noblewoman with nothing to do all day would be a personal hell for me, really. If you're a commoner you at least have your shit life to distract you from the people having it better than you. If you're a noblewoman you only get to socialise, and you do so with people who actually get to take charge of their lives and go off to become war heroes or travel or fuck as many wenches and gamble as they'd like, instead of being a perpetual neet.
>>67672055
>it's soap opera
but with great costumes and scenery!
this shit turned to regular soap faster than I could say infidelity
>>67673481
Sounds pretty comfy, it's literally the same as being a NEET
Only as a fucking white male though. How the times have changed.
in terms of collecting the rents and surplus from peasants either in the form of money or directly by taking their surplus and selling it in the market, did the aristocracy actually exist at this point, or was it just titles and collecting rents from workers and investing in businesses?
i mean, generally speaking, the cromwell revolution, the american revolution, the french revolution, the haiti revolution, these all were political signs of the actual waning of power by the aristocracy. this show is set well after the industrial revolution, and the uk (and the Caribbean on sugar plantations, weirdly enough) were the first places where capitalist relations really began to transform the old relations, and i just can't imagine that an actual aristocracy persisted into the early to mid 20th century
i guess it seems too recent to believe people put up with them
I don't care about nobility, I just want to be rich enough that I don't have to give a shit about work or paycheques.
Ordering people around who were too stupid to get born into a rich family is just a bonus, really.
>>67673650
What season does it get shitty? I just started watching so I'd like to know when to stop.
>>67673706
season 2
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Hs7LQlp.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>67672983
>created by the guy who brought us such classics as Dharma and Greg and Two & a Half Men
>loved by high brow scientists and academics
Very nice b8
>>67671632
Why did they always shit on Edith? Absolute qt, better looking/cuter than Mary.
Do I have bad taste? I'd marry her in a heartbeat.
>you will never homestead in the american wild west defending your home from vile indians, runaway negroes and illegal chinks
>>67673680
In the modern era you have these inbred nobles still in possession of huge stately homes and titles and the appearance of wealth, but are actually poor as fuck, at least the ones that weren't smart enough to venture into real business and look after themselves. There was a docu-soap a few years back that followed the Fulfords, who come across as basically a group of dumb hillbillies living in a mansion they can't afford to keep.
>>67673680
Is the series unrealistic in this regard?
>>67673680
Pretty sure the nobility relied entirely on rent and bank interest rates from the time of the landed gentry and forward. It's much easier to swallow that someone owns the land you're living on and you have to pay rent than it is that some fuck is entitled to half of your cabbages. And with the money the nobility had hoarded, coupled with the industrial revolution and the trade of the empire, it was really easy for them to multiply their money. No need to take it from their peasants.
>>67673764
Edith is a strong 4/10. You don't have shit taste, you're just desperate.
>>67673764
The problem isn't that they shat on Edith. It's that they never shat on Mary, despite Mary being a despicable person who should by all conventions of television have been shat on instead of Edith. Even her one big tragedy in live only resulted in the viewers losing the one part of her story that was enjoyable.
>>67673764
>>67673873
>>67673890
I don't know who the fuck y'all are talking about, but when I pass by this on the DVD rack, I am filled with lust and longing.
Considering that, would I enjoy this show?
>>67673987
Trust me, if Mary makes you like that wait until you see Sybil. Watch the first episode on Netflix, it's pretty good regardless.
Is this show comfy?
>>67673826
that's hilarious
>>67673829
desu, i don't know enough about the aristocracy or their modern descendants to begin to answer that question. but i am interested in learning more
>>67673831
interesting. have you ever read anything that covers some of this that you could recommend off the top of your head?
>>67673987
she looks old
>>67674012
Ridiculously comfy, the costumes and historical setting are great. Bonus points if you miss the British Empire.
>>67674047
Show spans a few decades from 1912 onwards.
>>67674011
>Netflix
What the fuck is that.
Hnng
>>67673580
good actors too
>>67674012
rolls royce fucking comfy
>>67674012
well if you like cucking, other wise it's really cringy to watch the father get cucked in every episode.
>>67674216
>no black people
>cucking
You neo-/pol/tards are the worst. This is an enjoyable conservative show.
>ywn walk in the garden every day to watch plebs cut the grass
>>67674126
Bumsniffing ruined her career.
>>67672983
Mario 64 on a poorly coded emulator.
>>67672983
>the Frasier of our time; it's hated by the working class and lowbrow laborers
You are the dumbest retard in the history of television viewing.
>>67671632
Is there something wrong with me? Watching this show only made me like the concept of a class system more. It also made me want the colonies back.
>tfw my England is a caliphate
>>67674292
YOU KIDDING ME?
every god damn social rule flies instantly into bin, and without any consequences. every episode is about muh strung independent wymym know best: "too bad we can't get abortions in this backwards age" etc etc
>>67674412
While at the same time the lower-class get absolutely fucked. There's only one feminist character, and she's perfectly believable.
>>67674382
Go back to /pol/ and stay there
>>67674311
>all that shitty gravel instead of exotic flowers nurtured into bloom by the head gardener
>>67674503
Hi pleddit, remember no matter how much you froth and foam this board isn't turning into pleddit 2.0. Enjoy your stay!
>>67673764
You don't have bad taste, she is obviously the superiour daughter. The show almost treats Mary as the protagonist, even though Edith is far more likable.
>>67674012
the first couple of seasons were, then i got bored. i'm actually british though, so maybe the novelty value stays longer if you're foreign.
>>67675424
>The show almost treats Mary as the protagonist
She pretty much was the protag for the last season.
>mfw the one scene of Barrowman after hissuicide attempt
>mfw it was written just to make her seem a better person, instead of focusing on Barrowman
Someone should do a count of how many times Mary says "we should be friends from now on" or "I really do care." to make her seem like a decent person after all, before going on to be a bitch who doesn't care.
>>67675651
the whole suicide thing was fucking bullshit. it just happens and everyone shrugs it off instead. it feels almost like they maybe intended it to be a much bigger deal, maybe something they should have done in the previous season, but they were so busy wrapping up mary and edith's ridiculous love dramas that they just threw thomas' depression in there as an after thought.
what they should have done is cut out all the frustratingly boring shit about mr carson being an insensitive husband out and focused more on thomas so that the fact he tried to off himself actually had an impact other than "oh poor guy, but hes fine now lol no harm done!"
>>67675913
No, what they should have done is cut Mary's romance shit, since it was wholly uninteresting(I couldn't even keep track of all the rich toffs who were loving her for no apparent reason. She's not THAT good-looking.), and instead focused the whole season on Barrowman, Edith and Molesley/Baxter. With the amount of time they put on Mary's romance stuff you'd have plenty of time to develop each story more.
Mary did not need a second happy ending, and since she hasn't had a single thing go wrong for her since Matthew died it didn't feel like she deserved a happy ending anyway, especially not after how she behaved with Edith. Meanwhile, Edith's had things go against her time and time again to stop her from getting married, and we've seen Molesley be a decent man despite all the set-backs he had throughout the show, so it would give a good sense of closure if we got a season focused on Edith finally getting married and Molesley finally coming out on top, instead of Edith's marriage being relegated entirely to the christmas special. Barrowman's depression would be what balanced out the overtly-happy nature of the season, instead of Mary's "oh I love him but he drives cars and I just can't!" faff.
