Now this was really shitty.
How did it get so well received?
>>67435910
because it's good if have a decent sense of filmmaking and you aren't trying so hard to hate it to fit in.
>>67435910
i dont know what are you talking about
Force awakens is 10/10 kino and the only good movie in the entire franchise
>>67435910
It was so well received because it pandered hard to SJW's and NuMales, the same crowd who thinks it's trendy to like Star Wars because "so nerdy randumb XD"
0/10 b8 m8
>>67435910
Because it was good? I don't know what answer you're expecting.
>>67435964
>movie made $2 billion
>hating it is "fitting in"
Fuck off, redditor.
>>67435990
this
>>67436163
>Reddit boogyman shitposting
shut the fuck up and make up an actual arguement.
>>67436163
its popularity doesn't have anything to do with its quality you stupid contrarian
>>67435910
Disney invested heavily on social media shilling and bought reviews.
>DC shills getting butthurt at BvS and turning their hate on The Kino Awakens
>>67436095
It pandered hard to Star Wars fans, but you're 12 years old without a father to knock some sense into you.
>>67435910
It wasn't a shitfest like the prequels. People were just so happy it wasn't a bomb. Thats why BvS is so low. People are disappointed in it.
>>67436214
>what is reading comprehension
You argued that disliking TFA is fitting in. I proved you to be false by presenting evidence that refutes your claim.
Now go back to studying for the SAT you underage faggot. If you're lucky, you might get above a 1600 this time :^)
>>67436542
Hating TFA is fitting in. I can tell you're not from here, so fuck off to whatever board you're from you Star Wars tourist.
>>67435910
It came after the prequels.
>>67436461
This. Even 10 years after Episode 3, everyone clearly remembered how shitty those prequels were, and went to see Episode 7 with little hope to see anything better. I myself was positively surprised by the result.
>>67435910
>Pleb can't get into absolute kinography
lol
>>67436609
predicting TFA flop AND *AND* ALSO BVS???
what the FUCK? HOW? both movies? impossible
>>67436796
Back in 2008 this shithole predicted that Avatar will be the greatest flop of all time
>>67436609
>a few neets on 4chan point out TFA's many flaws
>s-see? Hating it is fitting in! I even posted a screencap!
>w-where's the downvote button?!
The movie made $2 bill and has over 90% RT rating. In no possible way could hating it make you fit in. This is common sense. If you want more examples, just return to your main website (Reddit) and observe the overwhelming praise TFA gets.
You are literally retarded if you think anyone hates TFA to fit in.
>>67436697
>TFA
>Kinography
Haha, learn what kinography means
TFA is a "joint-feature flick"
>>67436927
plebe exposed
>>67436927
Absolutely pleb
>>67436953
pseud detected
>>67436893
>Reddit boogyman shitposting
>being a pleb contrarian
get the fuck outta /tv/ you tourist, calling something Reddit stopped meaning something a long time ago and you'd know if you actually posted here.
>>67435910
Hype, marketing, brand name
>>67436893
They hate it to fit in on /tv/, autismotron.
>>67437089
then why wasn't Batman v Superman well received?
>>67435910
It was awesome, my man
>>67437110
After Man of Steel it's "in" to shit on DC movies because they aren't "fun"
>>67435910
For the same reason all other Disney's movies get well received. Inoffensive cartoons made for the lowest common denominator.
>>67435910
Assuming you made this thread because you're butthurt about BvS being terrible, TFA was miles better than Snyder's grimdark turd.
>>67437140
This was honestly the best part in the movie for me.
>>67437013
Sup reddit
>>67435910
Because it's good
This board is cancer. Kill yourself. All of you.
>>67437165
Wrong, faggot. It's just as "in" to like Batman movies as any other capeshit, especially because of the Nolan movies.
That was good, desu.
>>67437013
not at all. For some redditposting was reduced, some faggot mods were banning everyone using the word and erasing the post.
Then after the increase of general redditry in /tv/, antireddit posts became even more popular.
>>67437298
too much kino
>>67437216
There was nothing about BvS that wasn't lowest common denominator. The dialogue and politics weren't in the slightest bit deep, and it was bloated with CG spectacle that gave us no credit for our attention span.
This movie was boring as fuck. Star wars movies are supposed to be exciting. Abrams is incapable of building up excitement or tension
>>67437220
they're both shitty capeshits
>>67435910
A feminist themed movie will NEVER be good.
The very core values of feminism and contrary to good storytelling and character development.
You can't prove me wrong.
>>67437371
Almost nobody except autistic contrarians felt TFA was any less exciting than any other Star wars movie.
>>67437099
>fitting in on a board where everyone is called anonymous and no one can downvote you no matter what you say
lmao
you do realize the whole point of 4chan is to not fit in? The idea that one person likes a thing and the other doesn't, (but neither of them can be upvoted or downvoted) is what keeps this place active. If someone chooses to be insincere and does something only to fit in, he must be having a boring experience. Whats the point of fitting in if you don't even have a post history? On 4chan, you are encouraged to speak your mind.
>>67437370
>There was nothing about BvS that wasn't lowest common denominator.
top kek
it may be a deeply flawed movie, but it's clearly way beyond your typical Disney flick in content and substence
>>67437290
Not after TDKR. Besides, this isn't a straight up Batman movie, and is marketed as a gritty, serious flick, something people already didn't like about MoS.
>>67437298
terrible
>>67437441
hahahaahahahah
>>67437441
The disagreement between Bats and Supes is literally the same depth as between Cap and Tony at its core. Neither Marvelshit nor BvS are deep, and its embarrassingly autistic to try and paint Snyder's delusions of grandeur as an upside, rather than an extra annoyance in an already terrible film.
Fnnnnggh. Twund in my cund and flange in my bange.
Suck me into your sexual gravity
>>67437526
>The disagreement between Bats and Supes is literally the same depth as between Cap and Tony at its core
Marevlcuck, how dare you talk about delusions?
I'm watching it now and it's really fucking terrible
I'm guessing they payed enough people to get decent reviews
>>67437449
>Not after TDKR.
Wrong. Rises was only slightly less well-liked as the rest. The trilogy as whole is well-rated and well-remembered by the masses. MoS was forgotten because it was a genuinely forgettable movie, and Batman is leaps and bounds more popular than Superman. People as a whole did not walk into this movie with MoS on the mind.
>>67437596
DCcuck, how dare you talk about delusions?
>>67437526
You can pretend all you want that there are no differences between content and tone all you want. And I couldn't care less how much DC misses the mark every time, but Disney shit will forever be on the level of a Saturday morning cartoon in compariosn.
>>67437596
Both are hamfisted explorations of vigilantiism, authoritarianism and nanny statism. The only difference is one acknowledges its capeshit, and the other is piloted by a pretentious hack.
>>67437604
>and well-remembered by the masses
No it isn't. No one has ever given a shit about Begins and TDKR is only remembered ironically.
>>67435910
>its better than prequels!!
bs.. still didnt top highground
>MUH WOMYN POWER
fuck off mary sue
>99% on rottentomatoes
>rottentomatoes
so theres that
its pretty shitty yes
>>67437648
If the DC movies are indeed deeper than Marvel, it's because of Nolan, not because of this silly, fundamentally insubstantial movie. But as I said before, capeshit will never achieve any worthwhile depth and part of Snyder's retardation isn't just that he failed, but that he took himself too seriously in the first place.
>>67437656
>acknowledging the childishness of your source material gives you a free pass
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>>67435910
the black guy was literally the only thing approaching decent in this flick
Leia's acting was cringeworthy
>>67437668
Read my post again. I said the trilogy as a whole, and you're also pretending normalfags didn't enjoy Begins and Rises, and even know about Baneposting.
>>67437711
> But as I said before, capeshit will never achieve any worthwhile depth
Can't disagree with that, but DC deserves at least some credit for making the effort.
>>67436418
>hard to Star Wars fans
It pacesetter to the folks who watched the ot as children and haven't bothered to explore star wars outside of the films.
It was for casuals.
80% of the people who like Star Wars only feel that way because they saw the movies as children and grew up knowing the original trilogy was as close to a universally beloved classic as has ever existed. The weird thing is if you DON'T like Star Wars.
TFA was a true Star Wars movie, in true Star Wars style. Not dismissing any perspectives here, but if you liked the original trilogy and didn't like TFA, there's a strong chance that you also wouldn't like The Empire Strikes Back if you saw it for the first time today, with no hype whatsoever.
>>67437761
Wasting time and money on Sisyphusian endeavours is not laudable.
>>67436163
>not using context
Hating it is fitting in here (on 4chan) even though it would be contrarian anywhere else.
TFA was objectively good. To each their own tastes ofcourse but it was a good movie. You're all just trying to be special outsiders who hate what's popular.
>Disney or marvel
Critics have to have to masterbate all over it
>>67437711
Taking yourself seriously is the best thing you can do
Not taking your self seriously is the reddit thing to do
always, always take yourself very seriously (even when you're delivering something that isn't serious)
there is no limit as to how seriously someone can take himself
marvel and disney have artificial limits to boost their ironic/cynical meme value which is why anything marvel/disney does will always be for ironic 16 year olds and lobotomy patients who don't see the entertainment value in absolute deadpan earnestness
>>67437784
This is a good summary.
Watching it now and it's one of the worst films I've ever seen. Approximately 50% of the dialogue in the film is comic relief. Truly pathetic.
>>67437936
>>Not taking your self seriously is the reddit thing to do
Alright I'm done with you, fuck off.
Jesus when did /tv/ got so pleb ?
TFA is ten out of ten kinography
>>67437371
people just come up with bullshit criticisms because they can't find actual faults
people keep complaining that this movie is too fast and frantic, some say it's boring
some people say rehash, some people say it's not a Star Wars movie
you people are autistic
it's a good movie.
>>67437416
it's so painfully obvious that you're a tourist
nobody from /tv/ would spout this bullshit
First Star Wars movie many of the "le nerds are awesome memes rule" generation have seen in theaters so they hype it up.
>>67438077
What bullshit? You're pretty obviously a tourist if you disagree with it
>>67435910
>Super weapon doesn't feel menacing
>Destroy the planets of the republic i couldn't care less about
>>67435910
It played it safe and gave nerds what they wanted an OT rehash
>>67438044
>Reddit boogyman shitposting
this is getting sad.
>>67435910
Number one problem was that it was way too fucking bloated, It needed an extra 45 mins to an hour
>>67435910
I finally saw this fucking movie and let me tell you:
you guys are fucking overreacting nerdos, it was fine and fun.
Hearing cunts in this board talk about it, it seemed like it would be some capeshit tier movie. Star Wars is not that big a deal guys.
>>67435964
>If you have a decent sense of film making
>>67438118
I know 100 times more about it than you. This film is dogshit, if you liked it that's fine as taste is subjective and it's possible to enjoy things that aren't high brow even if you have good taste overall but don't act all high and mighty like this film is anything more than generic blockbuster schlock.
>>67437962
have you even seen any Star Wars flicks? They're all like this.
why are you expecting Tarantino-level dialog in a blockbuster made to appeal to everyone?
>>67435910
Reposting from the other thread:
You know what my main complaint with TFA is? There is hardly any variety in ships. All you see are TIE Fighters and X-Wings.
Where are all the other Rebel ships? A-Wings, B-Wings, etc.? Where are all the other TIE variants the Empire used?
One cool thing about all the other movies (yes, even the prequels) is the thought that went into ship design. Even if a ship got just a few seconds of screen time, it was well-designed and felt like it had a place in the fleet.
I liked the "redesigned" TIE Fighter and X-Wing, but it got somewhat boring to see them all the time. Where's the variety, JJ?
>>67438216
>reddit boogyman shitposting
>>67438118
>Video gamer teaching others about """"filmmaking""""
lmao
tell us, about filmmaking kiddo. Whats the key to all of it? Shitty panning shots and an aggressive spitfire of up-to-date ironic nerd culture comic relief dialogue?
>>67435964
>hating to fit in
4chan in a fucking nutshell right there, mate.
It's like 75% of /tv/ and other boards are weak willed, weak minded, peer pressure opinionated drones.
>>67438283
In your opinion, yes. However when you say "dogshit" , it carries with it the implicit suggestion that that's the generally agreed upon opinion. It's actually a very small minority. If you say "It's gonna suck" and then gey shown that according to most people it doesn't, you can continue to say "It sucks" like it's a fact, simply because it's what you believe, and that's literally true. But don't expect the rest of the world to hold any stock by that.
>>67438298
To be fair for the Empire's side, there was no need to use bombers since there were no Rebel capital ships.
Hell none of the OT movies had TIE interceptors or bombers either.
But yeah, attacking a planet sized battle station was just screaming for Y-wing involvement.
Because it was easy to digest, fueled by nostalgia, relatively SJW without being in your face, CGI looked good, very Marvel influenced, made by Disney, and since George Lucas didn't make it all the "nerds" thought that made it automatically good.
All those are facts, you cannot refute any of it
>>67437260
>implying this isn't the best scene
>>67437398
Do sand people carry flails?
ITT: people who didn't watch it in theaters shitting on the movie
I don't care who you are, if you didn't see star wars in theaters, you couldn't give less than any fucks about this series and you're just shitting on it just to shit on it
if you saw it in theaters, fine, shit on it. if you didn't, it's very fucking difficult to think that star wars just isn't for you
hearing some of you shit on star wars is like hearing a CoD fanboy shit on a Final Fantasy game. it means literally nothing.
>>67438380
What about those Mon Calamari cruisers? They weren't capital ships? What about the Nebulon B frigate that Ackbar commands while attacking the second Death Star? Even if they're not capital ships in the technical ships, they are still large enough to require heavy ordnance to take down.
TIE Bombers can actually be seen bombing the asteroids where Luke, Han, and Leia are thought to be hiding (before they encounter the space-worm).
>>67438425
>nerd elitism
Anon, your soft spaghettoni filling is showing, you better go back to your basement or you'll embarass yourself further.
>>67438223
this tbqh famalam
the pacing was dreadful, especially after watching the torrent and seeing when everything occurred in the film
>DCucks are now questioning every well-received movie
>watch the movie
>find it boring, nothing special, just a 5/10 tops mainly because of Rey and the aliens who were really cool
>ask /tv/ why was this well received
>"BVS! SNYDER! CÃœCK! REDDIT! CONTRARIAN!"
Oh, /tv/... You guys never cease to be retarded, do you?
>>67435910
Daily thread reminder that episode 7 is not a star wars movie.
>>67438431
>still reddit boogyman shitposting
no one is calling anyone out. I just see one autistic loser screaming Reddit at everything he disagrees with.
>>67438394
The average fan was disappointed by the prequels (they still fit well into the overall series) but they didn't want to ditch Lucas altogether.
Obviously Lucas is beyond retirement age, but there's no replacing his skill sets. He was the victim of a controlled takedown on behalf of a QUANGO 'entertainment site' like RLM.
>>67438599
It's a Marvel movie, I'm surprised they didn't have Iron Man come down and deliver a funny quip after all those planets got destroyed
>>67438537
I wouldn't say the ship variety was the problem for me, it was more like the ship presence on both sides.
The Empire 2.0 had some fighters and that main ship, but the Deathstar deluxe kinda made that alright.
The Resistance had basically nothing to show except x-wings, even their base and main planets were kinda lackluster and I didn't feel the size of their whole organization.
It doesn't help that I didn't get any feel for what kind of situation the universe was in.
>>67438400
>38400â–¶
That shot was so out of place and unnecessary.
NOT EVERY SHOT HAS TO BE A MOVING SHOT J.J.
Fin is basically the new Jar Jar Binks in my mind.
>>67438679
Why
>>67438431
>d-do I fit in yet guys ?
>>67438295
Have you? None of them are like this.
They're all surprisingly autistic and take themselves very seriously. The only one that comes even remotely close is ANH and that's because Lucas had hired the co-writers of American Graffiti to polish up the dialogue a bit. What that meant is adding a few punchlines and one liners here and there. When work started on Empire, Lucas had already decided that type of stuff wasn't really essential at all. Ever since then, the movies have been fairly autistic
>>67438625
I'd say since like 2010 the cool thing to do is hate on Lucas, go on any popular internet site (YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, etc) and literally everyone trashes on Lucas for ruining Star Wars, and you have the people who read that "A New Hope was saved in editing" and then try to rewrite history into Lucas doing absolutely nothing for the movies and it was his wife who saved ANH and everyone else around him who made the movies better
>>67438705
He's terribly annoying and his whole character is just schtick.
>>67437779
>haven't bothered to explore star wars outside of the films
Why would anyone do that? There is only the original trilogy. Everything else is varying degrees of shit.
Everything on Jakku was 10/10.
>>67438394
But that doesn't make it bad either.
I just feel some of you in /tv/ are just fucking stupid fanboy nerds that can't understand that sometimes a series of movies is not to be taken as seriously as you take Star Wars.
So The Empire Strikes Back is real good, big deal. That doesn't mean everything Star Wars related has to be masterful. As long as it's fun to watch, the characters shorta interesting and there's some decent scenes and environments, you should be ok with it.
But if you want to be a stupidly demanding nerdrage manchild, be my guest, you are in your right.
They got atmosphere so perfectly right but I felt the characters and dialogue were lacking.
>>67438400
this is widely agreed to be the worst shot in the movie, even by fans
>>67438744
>Empire isn't full of quips
C3PO and R2 are literally walking talking comic relief in the entire OT.
Only the prequels are autistic tryhard shlock.
>>67438678
Another thing, the movie was shot like a TV show, very boring to look at
>>67438659
>even their base and main planets were kinda lackluster and I didn't feel the size of their whole organization.
Right - I feel like if they had shown just a few more unique ship types, we would have gotten a better idea of their fleet structure - which in turn would provide better a better glimpse at to what the military organization was like.
This applies to the New Order as well.
>It doesn't help that I didn't get any feel for what kind of situation the universe was in.
Yeah - the Rebels won, right? Why did they even need to call the military arm of the new Republic the "resistance" (if that even what it is)? Wouldn't the NO be a "resistance" of sorts? Or was it that the Republic and the NO control significant areas of the galaxy?
>>67437837
What was your favourite part?
>>67438802
Didn't say it did, OP asked for the reasons it was popular and well received, I gave them
>>67438425
every time one of these shitty blockbusters come out, this same argument is used. A great movie is a great movie no matter what quality you watch it in. As a matter of fact, I watched TFA in the theaters and it was embarrassingly boring. It's actually at that time I decided I wouldn't go see BvS. All these movies that come out lately (excluding BvS since I didn't watch it) suffer from the same major fault : they strip away everything from a movie and inflate the action and Fx to make up for it. A movie should be a whole : some action, some plot, some character development, etc. TFA was a long as fuck movie and yet nothing happened in it, it's an overlong action scene that's only ever interrupted for 5 minutes at most.
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>>67435964
what is it with modern Hollywood and its complete inability to understand color composition or value?
>>67438537
Were there cruisers in TFA? I could have sworn it was just X-wings going in alone.
Though in RotJ yeah they should have shown TIE bombers taking out the Mon Calamari cruisers.
>>67438873
Fair enough, I'm just too used to hate shitposting that I confuse normal posts with it at times.
>>67438771
As much of a symbolic sledgehammer they might have been, I really did like the scenes of ruined Empire ships. One of my favorite parts of the movie.
>>67438771
Nah, what was the point of the portion guy telling his men to capture Rey and the droid? Literally nothing comes of it, two guys go after Rey, Rey then showcases perfect combat skills then it's done, what was the point? Jew Jew is shit at pacing and needs to always have something be happening
>>67438362
>It's like 75% of /tv/ and other boards are weak willed, weak minded, peer pressure opinionated drones.
> weak willed, weak minded, peer pressure opinionated drones.
But the majority of society loved TFA, woudn't actually liking it makes you the weak minded drone ?
Isan't 4chan a place you go when you are tired of society ? isan't that the whole point of this place?
God this is why its so easy to spot redditors, you kids just don't get it, everyone who is a regular here have so much common ground stabilished then it comes you faggots using cheap buzzwords out of frustration for failing again and again at your attempts to socialize and preach conformity with holywood capeshit and constant jewish cocksucking.
Why can't you just leave and stick to reddit where people like you are ready to give you constant upvotes and even reddit gold for sucking up corporate investiments aimed at your easily-entertained demographic?
TFA sucked, the only good characters are black guy and evil guy the rest is just party clowns making cosplay.
>>67438036
It's boring because its too fast and frantic. Things happen with no build-up or backstory so the viewer doesn't care. Take for example when Finn saves Poe. That came out of almost no where. We know nothing about either and therefore we don't really care if they live or die.
>>67438887
top is movie
bottom is corrected, right?
>>67438909
I saw a few large, nondescript "Resistance" ships. They were basically just blobs - not as iconic as the cruisers in the OT or even the prequels.
I honestly can't remember anything the NO had other than Death Star 3.0. They had a few Star Destroyers, right?
>>67438942
>what was the point of the portion guy telling his men to capture Rey and the droid? Literally nothing comes of it, two guys go after Rey, Rey then showcases perfect combat skills then it's done, what was the point?
He was originally supposed to confront them again at Maz's palace but the scene was cut.
>>67435910
>How?
Disney is the GOAT movie promoter. They are truly great at what they do.
They acteally created the meme that TFA was good and people were none the wiser.
>>67438961
>Oscar [Nominee] (2016) Best Achievement in Film Editing
Learn about movies before posting here.
>>67438981
yes. Top is muddy as fuck and everything gets lost due to it being too dark and the teal is overbearing.
My problems with the movie:
-It felt like a TV show.
-Finn was basically Jar Jar, shouting like a literal monkey at everything and basically just being a loud negro.
-Oscar Isaac was wasted in this movie because of the really, really bad dialogue. I love Oscar, but he was bad in this movie.
-Action scenes were actually pretty bad.
-MUH SPACE NAZIS.
-Kike Ren.
-The kid from Ex-Machina trying to act tough.
-Finn and Poe had zero charisma.
The movie wasn't bad, it was just bland.
If it didn't had "Star Wars" on it, it would just be another Jupiter Ascending.
>>67438827
No, Empire is probably the most autistic "shlock" in the series
The scene with yoda on dagobah is a gruesome test that the viewer has to sit through. C3PO and R2-D2 are a far cry from the type of humour you'd see in the Avengers. All 6 films have a severe lack of self-awareness and that's always been a fairly large factor of what gave it the certain sense of annoying innocence.
I didn't expect Fin to be so stupid and annoying.
>>67438425
I am never paying for movies ever again, every time i go to the theaters it feels like a gamble where i m more likely to lose money and time.
The only single movie in recent years i been that i didn't regret was Hateful Eight, all the others was absoultely shit, specially TFA.
If you are reading this and did not went into the theaters watch this garbage fest, good for you , you are saving the movie industry.
>>67438958
muh sekrit club xD
jesus fucking christ you are retarded
>isan't
>>67439054
>Thinking editing award is based on how good the story is
You're dumb
>>67439065
Are you implying the Dagobah scenes are bad? Those are literally the best parts of the movie
What orchestra will be used in the next episode?
https://youtu.be/e7BkmF8CJpQ
>>67439062
agreed. they overdid the blue which makes things appear even darker and more unrealistic.
>>67439065
>C3PO and R2-D2 are a far cry from the type of humour you'd see in the Avengers.
You had me going for awhile. Work on your bait, padawan.
I liked Finn
>>67439141
No, I love them since I saw it when I was 5
>>67439054
>he believes the oscar means anything.
>>67435910
No one cares, it's not even canon.
They even retconned Jedi powers. Jedi can't force jump and sprint anymore which they even could in the original.
despite driver's character being a far more convincing version of the old archetype, the nu empire was completely monotone and thematically uninteresting. massive wasted opportunity which to my mind should have drawn parallels with 1920s brown shirts rather than a premade all powerful nazi war machine, which seem to exist only to reset the status quo to episode iv.
JJ's camerawork goes a long way to cheapen the action. nothing breathes. nothing just exists without the audience being reminded we're looking at it through a lens. the final shot of the film being the crowning example of this.
i never thought i'd find myself saying this because the prequels are such awful films, but the cheap and dirty attempt at world building and complete lack of substance to the new grand elements at play (the three second cameo of the new republic's home planet, the nu empire coming out of nowhere, the force being something that you can turn on just by realising you have it) made me appreciate some of the things lucas was at least trying to do with the prequels.
and it's also a bit of a piss take that han getting temporarily frozen in carbonite is a far more emotionally significant scene for both the characters and audience than his actual death. it'll still be an iconic scene long after episode vii has been mostly forgotten.
after all those shots of wrecked star destroyers and AT ATs, i wanted to explore the star wars universe plunged into a identity crisis after the fall of the empire. i'd hoped they take inspiration from the fall of rome, with the brutally oppressive empire also representing a high point in technology and infrastructure, the crumbling scenery presented to us in the trailers representing the erosion caused by disorder.
>>67439065
Return of the Jedi is full of quips
Empire is too, only the 3rd act is dark
>Yoda steals food from Luke
>C3PO keeps interrupting Han and Leia
>Han keeps telling C3 to shut up
>"NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS"
>Leia "you're goning to get us all killed" like 5 times
>"scruffy looking nerfherder" "who scruffy looking?"
>"laugh it up fuzz ball!"
>"I thought they smelled bad on the outside"
>"I'll see YOU in hell"
I can name more but I won't have to.
>>67438887
They have their reasons for shit like this. The bottom is aesthetically better, but when I play out the scene like that in my head it legitimately doesn't seem cold enough. The bluer one isn't as clear or pretty, but it definitely looks harsher, and that's obviously what they were thinking.
>shot like a TV show
What does this even mean? Are you upset it had real sets?
>>67438958
>I browz the 4chin I can't be a drone xDDD
>I say that they are reddit if they don't hate everything like I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶d̶o̶ I do
>that obviously makes me so different from the normies xDDDD
>buzzwords
That sounds about what /tv/ is about these days.
>>67439225
He's not wrong
>>67439254
Oh okay good, the Dagobah sequence is probably my favorite out of all of Star Wars
>>67437779
>It didn't acknowledge the published fanfiction I've been reading for years, so it's shit
>>67439232
I actually think it's funny how but hurt people were one of the main characters was black and then he ended up being an huge annoying moron.
>>67439290
It's just gay/racemix propaganda.
>>67439302
This guy gets it.
>>67439232
same 2bh
>>67439290
>They even retconned Jedi powers. Jedi can't force jump and sprint anymore which they even could in the original.
Can someone tell me why they did this with 7? Downgraded Jedi to telekinesis users.
>>67439314
That's completely different than something like kanjiclub
Just completely different
>>67439212
Not as bad as here though. Top is final bottom is set photo.
>>67438802
>If you have low standards it is great
You are the problem.
>>67435910
Bel Powley and Oscar Isaac will make Episode VIII.
I have no idea who she is but she looks exactly like Luke in ESB.
https://youtu.be/OvMoRVrqx_I
>>67438958
we are anoneemoose xD
we are legion xP
>>67439489
The botton one looks better.
>>67436473
Damm I haven't seen this meme in years
Am I the only non-retarded human being on this planet?
This whole character is fucking terrible. Everything about him.
You do not stare a guy you barely know in his eyes like this and bite your lips.
You do not hug a guy you barely know like this.
You don't repeat how glad you am he is OK like this (especially when you just left him behind earlier).
Does this indicate that he is gay? Should he out himself in the upcoming movies? Would this make it even better? God, no. He is already awful but making him gay now would make it even more awful and actually homophobic:
>hey, let's make a gay character
>sure
>he must flirt with every male character and the first male character he interacts with in the movie
>why
>because he is gay, he likes men, this is what gay people do, you can't just have gay people behaving like normal people, they must flirt with other men so everyone knows they are gay
The fact all LGBT people want him to be gay, really makes me lose hope in said people. How can you not see this?
Such an awful character, such awful acting, such awful writing. And of course this shit forum NeoGAF loves him.
>>67439302
I'd say you put the finger on the wound in some stuff.
Ironically the problem with this movie is that it needed some of that world building and politics talk that didn't work in the prequels.
But hey, for what it is, I had fun with it and I want to see some of these characters again, specially Kylo Ren and Poe Dameron, they still can make some interesting stuff.
One thing I noticed with the way the movie is directed is that I never found myself really looking at the places they were in that much, and I'm a guy that likes environments, but it seemed like the focus never shifted from the action (some exceptions being shots like the scavenging of the old empire ships)
>>67438942
>showcase perfect combat skills
That was the point, if it wasn't there people would bitch even more about Rey beating Kylo.
>>67439290
Anyone?
Why can't Jedi do Jedi stuff anymore? Makes no sense for them to use swords when they can't do at least some anime stuff.
>>67436609
So true, the final cut of the film absolutely sucks and fucking JJ doesnt wanna release an extended version that had heaps of good scenes cut out cos "muhh action and less story"
FUCK HIM
>>67439479
Tell that to kanjiclub
Jews love to remote race mixing
Good goys love to lap it up
>>67438537
Ackbar commanding a Nebulon-B? Kill yourself
Guys cmon i loved TFA, all my friends at school loved it and all over social media TFA is trending you can't just hate this movie, you gotta tell us why and here is a professional hint : you won't be able to.
>>67435910
why are DCucks suddenly picking on Star Wars TFA too?
I mean they are practically BTFO'ing themselves at this point
>>67439618
When did Jedi force jump and sprint in A New Hope?
Empire Strikes Back is my favorite movie of all time. I Re- bought the etire six film set on Blu Ray the month before Ep 7 came out.
I probably won't even buy Ep 7 since it doesn't even feel like a real SW film to me.
>>67439302
>Despite Driver's
>Driver's
I was expecting some driveposting. Fuck you.
>>67439648
but men can't have children with each other
>>67439314
Half of those aren't quips
>>67439689
Um u do realize TFA got critisised from start by everyone on /tv/?
>>67439689
>implying theres two sides of capeshit
>implying its not bad and bad
>>67439672
What the fuck is he doing, then, other than saying "it's a trap?"
>>67439592
It still doesn't make sense, Kylo should have destroyed her. Luke trained with Yoda and he still got beat
>>67439583
I just read it as paternal admiration for an ex-trooper...
Either:
>Poe is homosexual
>or Poe admires Finns decision making
>or Poe and Finn are both Imperial spies within the Resistance, unaware that they're both performing.
>>67439583
>implying J.J. understands social interaction
>Finn constantly breaks the dramatic tension with shitty quips.
>Rey closes here eyes and just stands there during a lightsaber fight and Kylo Ren just stands there not even doing anything.
>At the end Leia hugs Rey like they're family despite that being the first time in the movie the characters actually met eachother.
>The final scene where she just holds out Luke's lightsaber at arm's length. He's right fucking there just walk over an had it to him
>Luke refuses to walk over to her and they just stand there autistically staring at each-other while Rey's arm gets tired. Roll credits.
>>67439535
I have high standards, but I'm not gonna hate a movie if it doesn't meet them.
If I only liked masterpieces and hated everything else, what would be the point? I would just be a huge annoying sourpuss.
Learn to enjoy average stuff and don't be so hard on Star Wars movies, it's not a fucking sacred franchise, you should have realized this much after the prequels.
>>67439746
Put that autism back in your pocket son.
>>67439712
I mean't in the original trilogy. Luke did it four times, Vader did it.
>>67439314
These are all funny and not quippy
Yoda is becoming senile and childish like old people do
>>67438958
4chan is made up of bitter assblasted basement dwellers who by their nature are contrarian.
>The world that I isolate myself from with my shitty personality and blame for all my problems elected a right wing president? FUCK BUSH 9/11 INSIDE JOB!
>The world that I isolate myself from with my shitty personality and blame for all my problems elected a left wing president? CAN'T STUMP TRUMP!
It's not maturity. It's the opposite. Childish knee jerk reactionary bullshit coming from bitterness and emotion rather than logic.
>>67439850
>>At the end Leia hugs Rey like they're family despite that being the first time in the movie the characters actually met eachother.
Does Rei actually hug her the same way? Or is it mostly Leia? Because Leia most definitely knows her.
>>67439589
>>67439589
>but it seemed like the focus never shifted from the action (some exceptions being shots like the scavenging of the old empire ships)
completely agree.
every single narrative decision in TFA can be addressed by asking "will this make disney more money"? it's a weak, small and embarrassingly derivative effort that looks astonishing on a bank form. JJ needs to sit through the master works of david lean before ever trying to achieve anything of scope again.
thinking more on this, also in the OT, the death star represented the pinnacle of the empire's military dominance. the first order built something that made it look like a potato gun. classic case of JJ desperately trying to one-up the OT in that brain dead way that modern films seem mandated to do, to the detriment of the film world's authenticity. jurassic world is the perfect parallel for TFA. it's a shame that this is who films are made nowadays, and they earn box office records.
>>67439314
The point is
A. They're actually well-written and don't come off like a teen comedy (huh why are you doing that huh huh i'm trying to come up with a plan) (I'm in charge now phasma i'm in charge)
B. They always fit with the tone of the scene rather than breaking it. Notice how none of them made jokes whenever Darth Vader showed up.
>>67439960
>Because Leia most definitely knows her.
Because Leia most definitely knows her.
she knows OF her because they discussed rescuing her but she and Leia never actually meet in person in the movie until they hug at the end
>>67439720
it's more of a Star Wars film than The Phantom Menace. TPM is 2 hours of nonsense.
>>67439953
Logic and science is for autists and reddit
Emotion is for women, and you should know 4chan is pretty gay. Gays are usually the best at making fun of themselves, thats why 4chan is a homophobic edgy contrarian hive of scum and villany full of flamboyant lucas lovers
>>67439902
Explain to me how these are quips
>Yoda steals food from Luke
>C3PO keeps interrupting Han and Leia
>Han keeps telling C3 to shut up
>"NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS"
>"scruffy looking nerfherder" "who scruffy looking?"
>"I'll see YOU in hell"
Anything funny that happens or is said isn't automatically a quip
>>67439826
This old b8 is starting to get old.
>>67440118
Only George Lucas can define what is and what isn't a Star Wars film.
>>67440224
>B-b-boohoo someone pointed out that muh waifu is a Mary Sue
>>67439826
Rey used some Dark Side
>>67440250
He lost this right when he sold the franchise.
>>67440740
he's still a shareholder in Lucasfilm.
>>67437013
>>67440250
This.
>>67440740
No, what he did was officially ending the storyline. And being smart and selling the useless rights that allow fans to make non-canon movies.
Jedi in 7 don't even have force powers like force jump and sprint. It's retconning a lot of things.
>>67440260
Or because the children's movie clearly showed why he lost the fight, but if you want to keep being retarded go ahead.
>>67439921
Well why don't you wait until the new trilogy is finished before you complain that nobody did the force jump in the new trilogy
>>67440833
Because It's doubtful they bring it back, J.J. probably believes it's a prequel thing.
Remember how Ren and Rey got divided by that earth gap? Jedi could easily jump to the other side. She could have killed him, easily.
>>67440882
She wasn't trained, and why would she want to kill him any way? He was disabled and not a threat any more.
Regardless J.J has nothing more to do with the new movies.
>You take off your mask and she gives you this look
What do?
>>67440942
>He was disabled and not a threat any more.
Don't give me that please.
If SW7 characters are thinking like retarded Sunday morning cartoon heroes, it's shit anyway. They always killed when necessary and reasonable. The only exception is Luke and Vader and that's just because he was his father.
Ren of course will keep fucking shit up in the future and she knew that.
When she can easily mind control people and block Ren's telekinesis, she should be able to make a jump.
>>67438958
nailed it
the hypocrisy with these kids is astounding
>hurr you dont like this twitter approved meme movie so ur a fucking mindless drone :'(
fucking spare me haha
>>67440949
Being disgusted by her fatal alcohol syndrome.
>>67440942
>Regardless J.J has nothing more to do with the new movies.
He wrote all the characters and story.
>>67440826
>Jedi in 7 don't even have force powers like force jump and sprint. It's retconning a lot of things.
Jesus Christ you're that same fucking retard from an hour ago that made that thread
Jesus Christ the icing on the cake would be if you're an EU faggot as well
>>67441178
you wouldn't be able to say that considering how confused the world-building feels like, which says that the script was still being passed through different pairs of hands when filming started.
it wasn't written by one dedicated person as an act of love, TFA was written out on a whiteboard at an executive boardroom meeting at Disney and out of it came a lazy, ham-fisted script.
>>67436154
Is fucking crap, atrocious acting and in a whole fucking galaxy, the important people keep bumping each other just because. The writers of Hercules and Sheena did a better work than this pos. And let's not forget mary sue Rey.
>>67441178
Wrong. Rian Johnson is doing the story for 8 and 9. Fucking /tv/ plebs can't even research anything.
How many of you retards don't even know JJ isn't directing 8 or 9 either?
>>67441058
>They always killed when necessary and reasonable.
No actually. The only defenceless enemy killed by a Jedi was Dooku, and it was shown to be a bad thing and part of Anakin's fall to the darkside.
>Ren of course will keep fucking shit up in the future and she knew that.
She left him on an imploding planet. She probably reckoned he was going to die any way.
>she should be able to make a jump
Regardless of whether or not she should have been able to, she didn't need to. You're a fucking idiot if you think a Star Wars movie doesn't count as a 'real' Star Wars movie because a specific Jedi power wasn't used, one which wasn't even used in the first fucking Star Wars movie. Does Empire not count as a real Star Wars movie because no one does a Jedi mind trick?
>>67439950
Nope. He was literally just fucking with Luke. After his identity is revealed he doesn't act like that ever again.
>>67439489
The bottom one looks so much better.
This guy is a good actor. Surprised I've never seen him in anything else.
>>67441104
Rey looks like a poor man's version of Allie Haze
Journalists aren't allowed to be negative about anything that paints women as strong and independent.
>>67441622
he's in Scorsese's flick, coming this fall
because review aggregators disproportionately reward well polished "ok" movies
>>67441300
But J.J. wrote the characters and story scaffolding.
>>67437298
literally reverse darth vadar attempting to persuade luke. They directly ripped of not only A New Hope but also Empire Strikes Back.
>>67441104
>>67441178
>>67441300
jj and lindelof are geniuses
>reboot some popular old movies
>put some very vague foreshadowings in it and leave a lot of stuff unexplained
>fuck off with all the money, leaving it to other people to clean up your shit
Daisy a cute
>>67437298
ugh why did you greyscale this the lighting wasn't calibrated for it and your pic is thus illegible
If only music was as powerful as in the prequels, this would've been a fine scene
>>67441848
this
Like I actually think Kylo is a relatively interesting character what with the inner conflict and all that, but it's entirely dependent on Rian Johnson's ability to actually ground it and give him good motivations and shape it into a proper arc. So much of the stuff I kind of liked in VII was JJ Abrams cashing blank checks hoping someone else will pay for them later.
![The Revenant 2015 1080p WEB-DL x264 AC3-JYK.mkv_snapshot_01.33.00_[2016.03.25_15.18.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PFBQ6OQ.jpg "The Revenant 2015 1080p WEB-DL x264 AC3-JYK.mkv_snapshot_01.33.00_[2016.03.25_15.18.18].jpg")
>>67441885
>ugh why did you greyscale this the lighting wasn't calibrated for it and your pic is thus illegible the pic only looks illegible because in terms of values, the movie itself often looks illegible.
>calibrated for greyscale
you are this retarded. It's called value. and if your image looks like shit in grayscale it has shit use of value. The Revenant wasn't "calibrated for grayscale" either and looks just as good in black and white if not better.
>>67441709
this rly. rt isn't useless but the nature of an aggregator needs to be taken into account. there are movies that most people like and few people love.
>>67441848
>leaving it to other people to clean up your shit
except I doubt anyone will clean up their mess.
But I agree that Lindelof and JJ truly understand how milk a business despite being unqualified hacks.
>>67442399
i don't think we're actually disagreeing about anything, you're just objecting to how i phrased it, which is entirely fair.
>>67435910
I'm guessing nostalgia made them like it, I thought it was pretty boring, the only likable character was Finn, having the original characters in it was a terrible idea, Han's death was pure cringe, the dialogue was forced, quick and quirky, felt like the Disney shit it was.
>>67442506
Rian Johnson is a pretty good storyteller, even if he bit off more than he could chew with Looper. He at least has a much better sense of visual grammar than JJ.
>>67442594
This. Han Solo should have been cut and instead of him, Chewie, and Finn rescuing Rey it should have been Finn and Poe.
>>67438400
That webm is giving me a headache. The ocean in the background looks like it's moving way too fast.
>>67442843
that's your opinion, but i think Rian Johnson is the definition of a sophomoric try hard and i'm terrified at him getting his clumsy paws all over Star Wars.
he's an exaggeration of all JJ's worst qualities. I didn't even think people who liked Johnson could stand "Brick". all his screenplays reek of smugness.
>>67443256
Brick is the reason people like Johnson.
>>67443132
It really is. He should have pulled the focus in a little or something, I get what he's going for but he misjudged how the perspective would make the ocean move way too fast.
