How come he is a great visual director but so shit at narrative and basically everything else?
HE IS NOT A GREAT VISUAL DIRECTOR AAAAAAH
HE'S LIKE GEORGE LUCAS WITH BETTER CGI STOP THIS MEME JESUS CHRIST
>>67354570
god i hate that fucking kike's face
You're mixing him with Tarsem Singh
except for self/less
that movie didn't look good at all
He's a poor man's Michael Bay
Why is he a grat visual director? His compositions are shit, the camera movement stilted, there's no flow between shots and the lighting is so heavily edited in post that it ends up looking fake.
>>67354570
Alright /tv/ is he the new Michael Bay? Has he graduated to that level of sub mediocrity yet?
>>67354591
this
the reason his films look good is the colour filter
>>67354570
it was the script, not written by him
Affleck tried to help but it was too late
so sorry Zack...
>a great visual director
Not really. 300 is the only movie where you could possibly say that.
>>67354645
naw, Micheal Bay is the poor mans Snyder
>>67354708
But Watchmen was gorgeous
>>67354570
visual concept and narrative arent the same thing? explain me better please.
He great visual director of trailers. All of his movies have a handful of visual money-shots that get highlighted in the trailers.
That's one of his biggest flaws, he focuses on getting "cool shots" but neglects the stuff that goes between them.
>>67354671
Bay is actually a good director, facebook movie buff
>>67354740
>>67354740
Narravtive is how you tell the story, amd the way he does it comes off bad. He can't do narratives cohesively. They always end up being messy or cut short.
>>67354732
Oh yeah, Watchmen looked good. But the commonality with Watchmen and 300 is that there's a semi-defined aesthetic to both of those movies. There was a direction to go in. When Snyder doesn't have a direction, he sucks.
>>67354777
I actually agree with this. Bay understands people and narrative to some extent. But he's too autistic to restrain himself most of the time
>Nolan
>great at narratives, not so great with visual or action sequences
>Snyder
>good at visuals and action, shit at narratives
>put them together
>????
>>67354873
I love Michael Bay films, but his greatest strength is his visual composition. I don't get that shit about Transformers action scenes being hard to follow. As for characters and narrative, Bay couldn't even give a shit; leave that to his screenwriters, I say.
>>67354855
thanks.
>>67354777
>muh explosions
>muh lens flare
>muh basic plot line with no actual character development
Name one (1) movie of his that has even reached critical acclaim. Anyone can make a high budget summer blockbuster that sells. But whether it's "good" or not is entirely different.
>>67354873
Bay does good work when he's got Jerry Bruckheimer keeping him focused. Left to his own devices, Bay just goes full retard.
I think Bay and Snyder just need co-directors. All these huge movies shouldn't be left for one person to direct. Even the Transformers abortions could have been better if they had someone focusing on things other than super cool shots with lens flares
>>67354936
He should've written Man of Steel instead of David S. Goyer.
>great visual director
>most of his shit ia ripped from comic books
>gave us shitty random slow mo action
>suckerpunch was dogshit
He's terrible.
>>67354570
>great visual director
He has no taste. It's like he sets up each shot like "how can I make this as gaudy and over-the-top as possible with no regard for tone or narrative?"
>>67354570
Never trust people with holed chins, they always fuck everything up. They should hire directors with cleft chins.
>>67354645
So he's Michael Bay?
>>67355423
Yes
>>67355035
You're only half right, jerry produced Pearl Harbor which is cancer, and bay on his own made pain and gain and Bayghazi, which were alright
>>67354936
>>Nolan
>>great at narratives, not so great with visual or action sequences
Ah, so this explains why Interstellar had such lackluster visuals and why Inception had shitty action sequences.
>>67354936
>great narratives, not so great with visual or action
Literally what. Inception and Interstellar's biggest strengths were their visual prowess. Inception had some pretty good action scenes as well
>dat hallway fight
Snyder is shit. He just see something and goes "ooo pretty"
>>67354991
People normally point to the rock, bad boys, and pain & gain as his best movies.
He'll never be like Alfred Hitchcock, or Martin Scorsese, but he can make good movies.
>>67354570
>great visuals
DUDE MORE SLO-MO
DUDE WASHED OUT COLOR PALLETE
DUDE CGI DIRT AND CRAP FLYING AROUND
>>67354570
>great visual director
I can make every movie look like his by smearing Vaseline on my screen.
>>67354873
>there's a semi-defined aesthetic to both of those movies. There was a direction to go in. When Snyder doesn't have a direction, he sucks.
This really. Watchmen was adapted with reverence for the source's aesthetic, and thats why it looks incredible. Same with 300. Snyder is great at translating the medium to film when he's not in charge of making the aesthetic. Sucker Punch was his attempt at making an original capeshit film.
>>67354936
>Nolan
>shit at narrative
>great with visuals and action
>Snyder
>shit at narrative
>stylistic visual director
>pretty good with action
Based Snyder is destroying capeshit, one cape at a time. A hero we need.
>>67354570
He's a music video director at heart. He should really embrace that instead of trying to make blockbuster films.
>>67354755
just like marvel comics
He is a great visual stylist. All of his movies have the same production quality of a multi-million dollar commercial shoot except they're two hours long, which is to his and his team's credit. But he doesn't have a firm grasp on narrative or tone, he's just not a good storyteller.
300 works because the story is so simple and straightforward he doesn't have a chance to fuck it up but as soon as he tries to do more complex character development and plot work he just goes full retard. A good comparison to Snyder is Nolan. Both specialize in making big budget, self-serious capeshit and pulling off crazy action scenes and visual set pieces. Nolan's plots are bloated and overly complicated and his characters are usually fairly one-dimensional and uninteresting but his narratives always at least make sense and end up being somewhat dramatically compelling.
Snyder's character's have depth but their motivations are often convoluted and unrealistic. Like when Superman's dad let himself get killed by the tornado. Snyder probably thought this would be a very cool and dark twist while also being visually impactful but it didn't really make any sense. Superman and his dad's rationalization was silly and contrived, the whole plot line about his father shaming him into hiding his power was contrived and ultimately pointless. He doesn't really go through any dramatic transformation as a result of his inner struggle. Snyder could have started the film with Superman living in obscurity and while it's somewhat interesting to know his back story all that stuff with his dad is completely irrelevant for the rest of the film.
1/2
>>67354570
>he is a great visual director
No he's not. He relies on directing gimmick such as those close slomo shots who looks like an ad for the superbowl halftime and can't direct an action scene at all.
I mean even Nolan's action scenes were better
Snyder can't direct actors, that's his biggest flaw IMO. He can't get a good performance out of people, they either phone it in or go way over the top.
>>67354570
Snyder is the most underrated director working toady. He has the flair of Michael Bay and the story telling ability George Lucas.
He's a producer that never should've been promoted to director. About the length of it, really. If was a Bruckenhimer or someone like that who worked and secreted some influence to a director it would be a great match.
>>67358111
His storytelling is bad though. He can't do a coherent flow of storytelling.
>>67357263
Ebin contrarian.
2/2
Unlike in Batman Begins, where you can't understand Batman without knowing what happened to his parents and then his personal journey, giving into his basic instincts for revenge, then becoming a criminal himself and eventually a member of the league of shadows (who would play a pivotal role in the third act). Batman's dad inspired him to save Gotham which became his life's purpose. Superman's Dad, on the other hand, taught him to basically not help people and hide who he was to protect himself (sidenote: this advice is stupid) and then, rather than wrestling with this contrived moral quandry, it's basically forgotten as soon as the aliens arrive because they force him to come out of hiding and the movie becomes about saving the planet from aliens and the moral questions brought up in the first act are completely forgotten. It's just bad story telling.
Also, he lacks wit. Even Nolan whose plots are so dense that his characters are basically robotic exposition machines understands the value of comedic relief. A witty line here and there can save a film from being a complete slog. A little self-awareness is so vital especially when you're making ANOTHER film about saving the world. Superman is based on a silly nerd wish fulfilment comic book about a guy who changes outfits in a phone booth and has laser eyes. It shouldn't be a gloomy life and death opera where thousands of people die.
Snyder is an artless director. He seems to understand that audiences want a certain number of slick action scenes and plot twists and characters struggling with their own morality and so he supplies all that but not in a clever or interesting or original way. He's the embodiment of style over substance. His films are more like trailers for films than actual films. They're two hour long trailers with slick action scenes neatly packaged with cookie cutter plot points and characters, claiming to be deeper and more meaningful than they actually are.
>>67358652
>Nolan is good with narrative
>Snyder is good with narrative
These are your opinions, u r the ebin contrarian
Anyone hate this guy now
>>67354708
Michael Bay knows EXACTLY what kind of filmmaker he is, he makes shitty popcorn flicks for teenage boys.
Snyder genuinely believes he's making "capekino"
Zack Snyder is a new kind of artist. People have difficulty signifying it. A modern day Michelangelo.
