What do you consider the patrician musicals to be? Pic definitely belongs on the list
>>67260977
>I need validation and to be told what is good
>>67261082
No just curious what /tv/ thinks, I already know what I consider are good musicals
>>67260977
I am fucking pissed at how long songs from Hamilton have been stuck in my head
>>67261180
Hamilton is fine but there plenty of better shows
>>67260977
JCSS is top tier
>pic related>inb4 who could be behind this post
>>67261777
Trips isn't wrong
Musicals cannot by definition be patrician since they're simply the popular-culture form of opera.
Listen to opera if you want to be patrician. You can listen to musicals without feeling 'guilty' so long as you don't claim them as patrician
>>67261840
By now musical theatre has gotten so far from opera that their two distinctly different things
>>67261916
This, by the time Rodgers and Hammerstein were making show musical theatre was already its own thing
>>67260977
O Lucky Man counts as a movie musical, right?
>>67260977
Oh man. Dude, have you seen Hamilton yet?
Matilda.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
>>67262687
I would but it doesn't have to just be movie musicals
>>67262715
Of course no one in my department will shut the fuck up about it, It was a good show with some great music but FAR from my favorite
As I usually post in musical threads, taking requests for uploading cast recordings
already delivered: http://pastebin.com/ehWCCpa1
>>67260977
Marat/Sade is probably my favorite
>>67262928
Never heard of it before, how is it?
>>67262928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGM5z-ydQsg
>>67261840
This. Pic related is patrician. West Side Story and Cannibal: The Musical are just good well written/scoredfun
>>67262971
The play is very well written and the movie is super weird 60's British stuff. It's available in its entirety on youtube. Patrick Magee, Ian Richardson and Glenda Jackson are in it.
>>67263087
What about something like Passion or Parade
kino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqj31VPNoE
>>67263276
If were talking about musical Kino then passion takes the cake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar3cGWLm5M8
>>67263179
To be completely honest I don't have a huge depth of knowledge wrt to musicals and I've never seen either of them in full, but they both seem pretty highbrow.
>>67263425
The thing about musical theatre is that it did start out as light opera as operetta with Gilbert and Sullivan, then over time with the influences of vaudeville and jazz those operettas shaped into almost proto-musical theatre, then with the addition of dance as a way to convey the story, instead of just pretty dancing to break up the show, that came from DeMille it took the shape that we know as musical theatre
>>67263179
Parade is god-tier if very jew-y
>>67261238
Yeah. It's probably overrated as fuck but the songs are so fucking catchy that it hurts.
I was in a production of this show in High School, it was a pretty fun time. I have a hard-on for cheesy 20's jazz shit though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-hIER3Ua0
>>67263545
Even thought its Jewy it still has amazing music, but what else can you expect from JRB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B8YTJ_Rofk
>>67263524
Don't get me wrong, I understand the link, it's just I've never put much time or effort into following up on the basics of musical theatreand i was shitposting a little bit
I'll put Parade and Passion on the list. Any particular versions stand out?
>>67263973
Its fine, I major in it so I had to learn the rough history of it, and I usually listen to the original cast recordings but for Parade specifically go with the Broadway cast
I've seen a high school production of Avenue Q. That was really something.
>>67264100
>avenue q
>high school
How the fuck would that even work
>>67264152
Like shitting upwards
>>67261773
Judas did nothing wrong.
>>67264152
it was actually quite a bit less censored than I expected. there's an official school edition. i'm very familiar with the original version, so the censorship was hilarious. the sfw version of The Internet is for Porn is fucking awful though.
>>67264035
Cool, thanks.
>>67264227
>Spidermen just kept getting hurt
the funniest part of that clusterfuck
>>67263087
Britten is literally pleb tier. You should probably just kill yourself.
>>67264724
>Not Verde
What are you doing anon
>>67264749
Italian trash. Go eat some Olive Garden faggot.
>>67264796
>Verdi, Italian trash
Sure is reddit in here
>>67260977
Pete's Dragon. Anyone who disagrees wants Elliot to die.
>>67264724
I posted that in the context of something you could go and watch on torrent/dvd right now in the same way you could watch a famous musical movie. Also, did you miss the part where I admitted to shiposting?
>>67264291
>As of August 2013 six people have been injured while working on Spider-Man.[29] After two stunt doubles were injured during various flying sequences in rehearsals,[67] safety inspectors from the New York State Department of Labor reviewed these scenes in the show[68] and, in February 2011, cited the show for two workplace safety violations.
>Natalie Mendoza, who was originally cast as Arachne, suffered a concussion during the first preview performance on November 28, 2010, when she was struck in the head by equipment in the wings.
>In that December 20 preview, Tierney fell more than 20 feet (6.1 m) off a piece of scenery when his harness was not connected to the safety cord,[74] leaving him to freefall through the stage and into the orchestra pit.
>On August 15, 2013, actor Daniel Curry was hurt by apparently being pinned under a piece of equipment and suffered leg trauma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Turn_Off_the_Dark#Cast_injuries_and_additional_replacements
>>67265036
D e s u I think Handel's Messiah is the pretty much the most accessible place to start if you want to do opera
>inb4 oratorio
>>67267169
Thanks for the rec anon, but I've been a casual operapleb since I was literally 5 years old. Got anything slightly less accessible?
>>67267771
To be completely honest I think everyone stays an opera pleb their entire lives, no matter how much they see.
I can only recommend la bohème, or other Puccini maybe madama butterfly, not super pleb, but popular and simple stories.
People say that Mozart is more difficult but idk I'm a complete pleb myself
>>67260977
Patrician musicals? Christ, what a faggot.
>>67260977
People tend to rank people like Sondheim and Jason Robert Brown highly in terms of making excellent musical theatre, that really demonstrates what can be done in the musical form.
There's also a number of lesser knowns that push and challenge the expectations of musical theatre and make amazing work. My favorite composer seems to fit the mold of patrician pretty well, John LaChiusa. His musicals tend to parse wieghty questions of Truth, love, humanity, et all. See What I wanna See is a great example, it being an adaptation of three Ryunosuke Akutagawa short stories (one being the basis of Roshomon). It plays with the nature of perspective and how we as people construct a sense of truth and purpose in life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmqJF9vbWfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGsmKwJjrk
>>67268186
Interesting, im alot more familiar with Sondheim and JRB. Im gonna try and give this a listen when I get a chance. Out of curiosity whats your opinion on Wildhorn?
>>67268341
I think Jekyll and Hyde is pretty solid, but I didn't care for The Scarlet Pimpernel. I haven't seen any of his other stuff in person but I've listened to some things since one of my friends is a pretty big fan. I think I'd dig him more if the stories he adapted was more my thing, but most of it isn't my bag. Wish that Cyrano play came stateside though
>>67267935
>mozart
That's thrown me off on a tangent and reminded me of something I re-watched the other day on tv. The Curse of the Gothic Symphony, a documentary about the Brisbane symphony performing Havergal Brian's Gothic Symphony in 2010. It's really good if you're into that sort of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfVg9vn4jCc
>>67268513
I got a copy of the sound track if you want it, and give Dracula a shot its pretty good
>>67268545
well shit why not?
link me up family
>>67268642
https://mega.co.nz/#!2Qg2FaLL!6xxqzBcPnH7b_nY31PTvEZC8sIVTGB30MeyQVSZS0FE
>>67268690
thanks friend, I'll give this a listen. Get my Colonial Era fix in
The Wiz is probably the greatest soul musical ever. don't listen to the shitty TV special, listen to the original. "What Would I Do If I Could Feel" is really beautiful.
>Nobody's posted Sunday in the Park with George yet
I'm fucking disappointed in you all.
>>67267169
>>67267771
>>67267935
There are many styles, each with their own unique charm.
I'm not an expert, so someone might jump in and correct me (and while at it might call me a pleb and an ignorant). I'd divide it, for people interested in giving it a try, in four parts. No particular order; that means, it's not that you have to start with the first item in the list and move forward. You can also skip one entire point altogether. I'll mention mostly composers instead of specific works (with some exceptions), refer to Wikipedia or Google to see which operas are their most famous/well regarded.
- I'd say you give a try to early operas. They are quite interesting if you manage to overcome the cultural gap we have nowadays with those centuries. A nice place to start might be Purcell's Dido and Aeneas (also try his other operas), it's quite dramatic in a relatable way, for nowadays listeners at least; and it's in English, so you can't complain. Then I'd move to Charpentier, Lully and Rameau's operas (French). Finally Händel and Vivaldi's operas (and yeah, the Messiah is an oratorio, if you open the doors for it then you have to include cantatas and passions, there's a lot of Bach works that you can listen there). If you feel quite bold you can make the move to Monteverdi (yes, I'm moving from the later baroque composers to the earlier, instead of the other way around, but it's because late baroque is more accesible for contemporary listeners, and sometimes not even so), whose operas are quite exquisite, but they have an early baroque language that not everyone might be a fan of. It's still one of the highest points of baroque opera.
>>67272268
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- Then you have the romantic italian opera. Bel canto is the most accessible form of it, particulary Rossini and Donizetti. I'm not a huge fan of it, to be honest, I even despise Rossini, but to each their own and you might like it. I like music with more dramatic content, with more depth, a very nice composer for this is Verdi, a nice equilibrium of "hearable" without being too dense. If you want more melodramatic content than that then you move to Mascagni, Leoncavallo and ultimately Puccini (can't deny it, my favorite italian).
- German opera. And I'll even include opera by German composers written in Italian. To be honest, I'd move chronologically here. I'd start with Gluck and Mozart in this category, Mozart is actually quite an excellent opera composer. I didn't hear Beethoven's Fidelio, though it might not hurt (dunno), then I'd hear some Weber if only to hear the transition from classical to late romantic opera. And yes, the goal here is to build up to Wagner, considered by many the greatest opera composer of all time. He changed the game radically. He treated Opera not only as a single art where music, story, scenography, costumes and everything you might think of is but an unity, but he revolutioned the music as well. Thus, instruments or motifs would become clues for different characters, making even the instruments an active part of the opera, instead of passive accompanying. He composed the music as one long symphony without strictly divided movements, but mostly ongoing music that "changes the moods" according to how the story develops. He brought vanguard armonization to his music as well. I've listened Parsifal and the first part of the Nibelungs so far (both by Solti) and they are incredible. I still didn't hear Richard Strauss' operas, to be honest (yeah, the excerpts from Rosenkavalier that everyone knows about), for what I gather some consider him a great opera composer while others consider him simply the "lesser Richard".
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>>67272289
(cont.)
- French opera. As with the italian opera, I'd follow the chronology almost as it is written in Wikipedia's article about opera: start with Offenbach and Bizet, follow with Berlioz's Les Troyens. I'd then do Massenet, Saint-Säns and Delibes so you can end in Debussy.
That's about all I know. I didn't hear russian opera. I can't get into modern opera either, since it's a territory that I don't know about, all I can say is that, as composers, I like Hindemith and Strawinski, and Britten to a lesser extent, but I don't know good their operas are or ain't. In summary, I'd use as entry point Purcell's Dido and Aeneas for early opera, some Verdi opera for Italian romantic opera, Mozart for German and both Offenbach and Bizet for French opera. And "entry point" here is not used at all in a derogatory way, it's just that they are works that, I think, might be the easier to relate with if you are a beginner. The German opera in general is the one that takes most getting used to if you are a newcomer, early music and modern opera aside. Italian opera (romantic) is the place where a lot of people start, since many of their arias and choruses are featured in compilation CDs (thanks a lot, "Pavarotti and friends"). Eventually you might learn to like each style, each country and each century for what it had to offer, or perhaps not, dunno. But I'd say it's an interesting ride nevertheless.
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>>67272289
>>67272309
Screencapped for future reference.
>>67260977
Shrek the musical desu senpai
