why is he so based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
Why is playing Napoleon Dynamite?
>Oh no he's choking on food
good jej
>>64990460
man that was better than the whole kanjiclub sequence.
>>64990460
Cause he can convert cute into base.
Whole movie about Kylo when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ssK2UIMEFE
>>64990998
He has the sickest comeback.
>I'm 90% sure Matt is Kylo Ren
FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEE
FORBIDDEN LOVE!?
>>64990460
This canon now
>>64990460
>Kylo Ren is the commander of the First Order
that's General Hux you retards
>SNL writers in charge of research
>>64991420
Isaac is gay as fuck
>>64991542
It's wikipedia but yeah
>>64990460
Wow SNL actually made something funny this decade.
>>64990460
KEK
He has pretty based desu
>>64991388
pretty funny desu
>>64990460
>LOOK AT IT UP CLOSE!
kek
>>64990460
even if some of it was slightly heavy handed, this was pretty funny and much better than the movie
which isn't a hard thing to accomplish since the movie was trash
This made me respect him even more
>>64991805
>which isn't a hard thing to accomplish since the movie was trash
Sing me another meme, child
>>64991859
I'm older than you, kid
keep digging tho
The bit where the officer admits he knew from the introduction makes the first scene so much funnier.
>>64991879
>I'm older than you, kid
>>64991388
>it looks like a little kid made it
DEEPEST LORE
>>64991913
Nothing personal ;)
enjoy your indoctrination
>Sorry I killed your son! :(
>-Kylo
KEK
>>64990460
>Those huge fuck-off glasses
"I'm Darth Marenghi. Sith Lord. Soulreaver. Visionary. Plus, killer. You are about to enter the realm of my domination. You are entering... my Dark Side."
so Kylo Ren is confirmed to be average /r9k/ poster
>>64992028
That was pretty clear from the movie, bro.
>>64992028
We knew that as soon as he threw his first temper tantrum, I can imagine some autistic anons reenacting these scenes in their home when their threads dont go their way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXgrP8e3Haw
>>64992063
>not showing his "force choke"
>>64991420
It's okay if it's mind rape.
>>64992177
He's a big guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIcHwskTu8k
>>64992177
>The weak should fear the strong
>>64992177
>>64992257
>Kylo Ren will never show you the world while force choking you
>>64992326
Not sure what I like more, when he pounds himself or when he pounds Finn.
>>64991879
>>64991962
MOM'S GONNA FLIP!!!
L
I
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!!!
>>64992326
The moment when he had enough of playing around with Finn and straight up lynched him was so fucking good.
>>64992326
Can't wait for a good rip to come out so I can watch the fight again.
>>64992608
Can't wait to see what scenes got cut out on the release.
DUDE MATT STRAIGHT UP SUCKS
>>64992518
she certainly will if she finds out you've been spending the entire weekend in front of your computer defending third-rate capeshit for 5 year olds
>>64992326
are they fighting over Oscar Isaac?
>>64990460
Why does he kill him at the end?
>>64993365
he doesnt like people other than hux and snoke touching him
>>64993365
Bad touch.
>>64993395
You know what's up.
>mfw the entire thing would perfectly fit into TFA
>>64991388
>it has been 0 days since our last incident
top kek
>>64992028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCeOf2q6_TA
>>64992326
How did he lose to two untrained children
>>64996034
Probably rhe crossbow bolt to the torso/ lack of lightsaber training kek
>>64996451
I thought he got trained from Luke?
>>64996919
Luke was never particularly great himself.
>>64996976
He's beaten anakin who is one of the all time greatest duelist
>>64997101
He beat an old, crippled Anakin who wasn't actively trying to kill Luke because he/the Emperor were trying to turn him over to the dark side.
>>64990460
He's literally what Anakin should have been. JJ succeeded created an Anakin type character in ONE movie, where George Lucas failed in fucking THREE.
I can't wait to see where Kylo goes from here. Not only did JJ make a better EP4, but I think he's going to make a better pt just to further shit on GL. It's literally like, "Oh George, was THIS what you were trying to convey with Anakin? Well let me go ahead and help you with that."
>>64997642
JJ isn't writing or making the next one.
>>64991962
>spewing tfa is bad memes
>has probably used the new pt was good memes
>accusing others of being indoctrinated
Yeah ok George. No amount of shitposting literally every tfa related thread is going to stop how successful it was, or how well liked it is.
>>64992326
I fucking LOVE how the saber fights are a mix of the best parts of both previous trilogies. It has the emotion and "european sword" fighting style of the OT, but with the excellent, fast pace of the pt.
I know everyone says JJ just copied ep4's style, but I can see the good parts of the pt in tfa, and I say that as someone who hates the pt. JJ managed to strike a good balance of what a modern starwars film should look like.
>>64991570
Handsome toono homo
>>64997920
We'll see about that
>>64991590
Fucking REN is leader of the KNIGHTS OF REN
Hux is the glorious leader of the Third Reich
>>64996034
He didn't lose to finn, he straight up owned his ass.
as for rey, well, he was shot with a bowcaster, which NORMALLY sends people flying away, and dead.
Also, after having seen the movie twice, it's pretty obvious now that she's had prior force training, and her powers/memories are unlocking by the minute.
I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time she reached Luke, she has remembered everything. We'll see the extent of her powers in the next two films I'm sure.
>>64997684
Probably for the best. He's a little TOO fanboyish of starwars. Good for him for having the grace to get it rolling, but back off (something GL should have fucking done).
I can't wait for the next two films.
>>64998130
Also he tried to win her over, not kill her. As per order by Snoke.
>>64998038
>You will TRY
>>64990460
lets have some real TALK with some real FOLKS
>>64998236
Oh yeah good point. I don't recall him ever making any killing strike attempts against her. He mostly played a defensive game until she started overpowering him.
>>64998273
goat delivery or goatest delivery?
>>64998130
>We'll see the extent of her powers in the next two films I'm sure.
I dunno, her being able to mind-trick after about two minutes was retarded enough for me.
Is she some manifestation of the force or something?
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Because Adam Driver is perfect.
>>64990460
He's Anakin done right.
>>64998413
I wish they hadn't overshooped him to look like a fucking boyband member. The other promos aren't.
>>64998375
>after two minutes
Look, we're both conjecturing until we see the next two movies, but I feel like, you didn't even read my post.
>Also, after having seen the movie twice, it's pretty obvious now that she's ****had prior force training****, and her ****powers/memories are unlocking by the minute****.
To add some additional evidence to this, Kylo flat out tells a storm trooper (another female one besides Phasma, interestingly enough, but not relevant to my post) that the more time Rey is free and running about, the more powerful she's going to get. He might have actually known her at some point, and knows her memories are coming back.
>I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time she reached Luke, she has remembered everything.
Again, conjecture on my part, but after having seen the movie twice, it makes absolute sense that she's been memory wiped Revan style, for her own protection, and Kylo fucking with her head pretty much broke the dam.
>>64998196
This.
Also inb4 /tv/ starts hating this SNL skit too and calling it reddit.
>>64998551
He also reacts weirdly when he's told there's a girl with the droid.
>What girl?
I think that's it. Which is a bit of an odd question. Could be any girl. Unless you know there's a specific girl on that planet.
>>64990460
Wow, it's almost too good to actually have been written by the cast and crew of one of the least funny comedy shows on television!
It's almost like a team of Disney writers came up with this sketch and handed it over to NBC with their stamp of approval!
>>64998658
I already hate it, just helps reinforce the hollow and purely commercialized nature of the new films.
>>64998693
You might be on to something. All of the other ones are the usual super drawn out garbage. This one also has 20 times the production value of the others.
>>64998711
>he didn't watch the Star Wars Christmas holiday special
>>64998551
>Look, we're both conjecturing until we see the next two movies, but I feel like, you didn't even read my post.
And all I'm saying is "mind tricks" have usually been regarded as top-tier force powers, not something you can just conjure out of a hat (after already failing at it mind you)
Aren't these new storm-troopers supposed to be indoctrinated as fuck?
Why did Phasma give up so easily?
Why did that guy let Mary Sue go?
>>64998130
>it's pretty obvious now that she's had prior force training, and her powers/memories are unlocking by the minute.
Sweet head canon bro
>>64998711
>he's never had a tasty wookie ookie
>>64998375
Runs in her family if she is Luke's daughter or Leah
>>64998130
The extent of her powers are whatever the writers need her to do. She's a literal Mary Sue who exists for other reason than to placate the female audience.
>>64998807
>implying it's not both
>>64998107
I dont want to read a book and a wiki before I see a shitty action film to know whats going on.
>>64998807
>Runs in her family
But "you need training" is an established thing with being a Jedi.
Even if she "remembered" her training as a 4 year old, it doesn't make much sense she could just manipulated a Waffen SS trooper like that
His face is somehow really fucked up.
>>64998756
>Mary Sue
Oh sorry, I thought we were gonna have an actual conversation. I almost apologized for accusing you of not having read my post. I feel I came off a bit rude there, but nah, fuck off.
>>64998196
Me too. I'm hype as fuck for Kylo's and Finn's next arcs.
>>64998811
>>64998756
>Mary Sue
Am I at the zoo? Do birds of paradise post here? All this fucking parroting.
>>64996034
deus ex machina
>>64998898
First off, It is stated NOWHERE in the past 7 movies that mind tricks are high level. Literally NOWHERE, so stop this fucking ass pull meme.
Also, wouldn't at all be surprised if mind shit is the first thing taught to kids, since they can't defend themselves physically yet.
Lastly, she wasn't 4, she was like 8, and as the pt showed, Jedi start training young as fuck.
>>64999194
Same. I can't wait to see how rey's fighting style develops. I noticed that she prefers to do a lot of thrust with her light Saber compared to every other light Saber wielder.
>>64999188
>>64999255
>>64999423
Holy Taledo...somebody got mad.
>>64999496
Except Palpatine.
:^)
>>64999255
Why is it okay when Disney does it?
>>64999188
So, why did Phasma give up so easily?
Can you justify it in any way?
>>64990460
Wow. His face is even more asymmetrical than I thought.
Funny vid
>>64999730
Phasma din't even share a scene with Rey?
Also because hack writers don't know the Reich's honor.
>>64999777
His face is many things but not particularly asymmetric.
>>64998757
No even kylo said that
>Kylo "Nothing Personnel Kid" MC Ren
>>64999816
>Phasma din't even share a scene with Rey?
That's not my point.
My point is the writing for this new episode is bad all over,
Just plain shit.
Utter
Utter
Pleb-tier shit
>>64999699
I don't remember Palpatine using any fencing type techniques
>>64999886
No he didn't. He just said that she is testing out her new powers and she will grow stronger the longer they take to find her.
He never said shit about her having previous training or getting her memory wiped out.
In fact he said she had no training and needed him for as a teacher.
>>64999730
Strictly going off what we see in this movie, I can make some logical guesses.
>She's actually shaken up that Finn managed to shake indoctrination, which has created doubt, and more importantly, fear, in her mind
>She got jumped by a fucking wookie.
>Is generally concerned for her life, and believes she'll die if she doesn't lower the shields.
I mean, I'm not really understanding this "she gave up easily" meme you fucks keep spouting. The way you make it sound, it's like someone walked up to her, and asked her politely to shut down the shields, and she decided to just say fuck it, and do it.
The question you SHOULD be asking, if you were actually intelligent, is why a fucking captain would have the codes to shut down the shields.
Or better yet, why not questions why the original death star had NO CODES to bring down the shields. Obiwan just walked up and pulled some fucking LEVERS (as in, didn't have to manipulate a fucking computer) and boom, shields down.
Why don't you question and answer THAT, then come back back and question why a captain (who shouldn't have the codes in the first place) lowered the shields after having been threatened by an out of control, unstable traitor, and a giant fucking wookie, who for all she knows, will tear her arms off and beat her to death with them at the drop of a hat.
>>64991388
> throws lightsaber
> lightsaber doesn't disengage because of the dead man's switch on all lightsabers
WTF are you even doing SNL.
>>65000073
They use that light Saber throw in like every star wars video game ever
>>64998757
Can you refute me and prove me wrong, "bro"?
>>65000112
It's not canon
>>64993538
> Stormtroopers have OT armor with the new helmets
> old officer rank insignia
> that absurdly fat stormtrooper
> no Aurebesh letters
My autism doesn´t let me have fun.
Why did they have to make Kylo Ren 30? It makes him seem super immature. I think it'd be better if he was around 25 or even 20, the same age as Rey. You have to keep in mind that Kylo is now older than Anakin when he turned into Darth Vader. But why?
>>65000041
This is what the scene should have been. And then some conscript Hanswurst gives you the answer you need.
>>65000160
vader chucks his saber in ep6 and knocks down a bridge. It didn't disengage after leaving his hands.
now what, faggot?
>>65000148
It wasn't in the joint
>>64990998
If Kylo Ren didn't know what time it was. he would be Kylo When
>>65000148
Can you refute my statement that Ben is actually trans? Can you? Ah, I guess that makes it true then.
>>65000041
>I mean, I'm not really understanding this "she gave up easily" meme you fucks keep spouting.
Because throughout the film we were told how die-hard this "First Order" is, yet one of their officers lets down the shields to their base with a few minutes interrogation.
Can you not see how that is poorly written?
Its contradictory to everything the film previously stated.
Are you a completecuntor what?
>>64996034
He was gut-shot, had just killed his dad, and Rey is an beatable Mary Sue.
>>64998130
>prior training
Yeah, she learned telepathy, telekinesis, saber skills and how to pilot all before she was dropped off on Jakku at 5 years old.
git gud bitch, I'm tired of seeing this half assed logic every time this comes up.
>>65000233
It wasn't NOT there either, and it was hinted at. There are fucking clues you retard. The flashbacks of kylo's crew, Rey being dumped off for her safety, her seemingly remembering how to use the force when fighting Kylo, her reverse mind penetration of Kylo, etc etc.
She's had former training, and as indicated here: >>64999423
Mind tricks are likely the FIRST thing kids learn, since they're small and relatively physically defenseless.
It doesn't matter. Once all of this is confirmed in the next film you'll be btfo then find something else shallow to bitch about. stay irrelevant.
>>65000425
>her seemingly remembering how to use the force when fighting Kylo, her reverse mind penetration of Kylo, etc etc.
Yeah, that 20 second pause totally made sense, Kylo just letting her close her eyes like that, 10/10 writing, Mary Sue is a top character who makes total sense.
>>65000369
>we're told the first order is die hard
Oh really?
Kylo LITERALLY questions how die hard they actually are after Finn defects, and even comments about using clones again. This literally tells you all you need to know that the indoctrination program is fucking flawed
>can you not see how that is poorly written?
Can you not see that you're actually fucking stupid and couldn't even understand a kids movie?
You also didn't even comment on my entire post. You cherry picked the part where I critiqued your meme, not my actual points.
Fucking typical.
>>64992326
>>64999194
is finn gonna be a cripple in a space wheel chair for episode VIII? drake on degrassi style?
>>65000370
>Telepathy, telekinesis before jakku
Yes
>Saber skills
>Wild angry thrashing
Um, no.
>Piloting
She learned that on jakku. Same shit with Anakin and Luke flying pod racers and T14s, then piloting space ships with no training. She flew a hover craft, just like they did, then upgraded to ship flying with no training, just like they did.
I bet you feel like a dumb cunt now, don't you?
>>65000073
>>65000160
>not canon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
@1:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgOF1jQbTns
>>65000592
>Kylo LITERALLY questions how die hard they actually are after Finn defects
>one guy defects
>meanwhile the rest of the battalion is roasting civilians with flamethrowers
I agree, this shit is poorly written.
>>65000555
Kylo was ordered to bring her in, so yeah, he's going to let her think about getting training from him, since he's not going to fucking cut her down while she's thinking.
>>65000709
>then upgraded to ship flying with no training, just like they did.
And I bet you thought Anakin piloting the fighter was retarded, but it's okay when Mary Sue does it right?
Not to mention she was smashing the damn falcon on the ground when she first started and 10 minutes later she was pulling off Immelman turns without any troubleGo one, google Immelman Turn, I'm sure you don't know what it is you reddit fuckstick
>>65000745
>One guy defects
You do realize the kind of message this sends, right? If one guy has doubts, and can disobey, you bet your fucking ass the commanders are now wondering how many other troopers are fucking waiting to do the same as Finn.
Remember, Finn is just the FIRST guy to actually defect. We have ZERO idea how many other guys, before or after him, are on their way towards doing the same.
Oh yeah, and Phasma commented that, FINN had no prior issues with obedience, when her commander asked, and there is a RECONDITIONING CENTER
RECONDITIONING CENTER
RECONDITIONING CENTER
Which implies this shit happens all the time to troopers. Finn might just be the first guy to actually fuck off.
>>65000776
>since he's not going to fucking cut her down while she's thinking.
So why didn't he just paralyze her with the force?
Like he paralyzed a goddamn laser in mid-air.
>>64990460
>These five minutes were better than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones combined.
>>65000912
>you bet your fucking ass the commanders are now wondering how many other troopers are fucking waiting to do the same as Finn.
The same like Phasma giving the good-guys the shield codes?
So really, the bad guys are all completely fucking retarded on every level?
Riveting film-making, I can't wait for the next one.
>>65000189
When do they state his age or are you going by the actors age?
>>65000906
I never questioned Anakin being a good pilot, because as per the OT, he was supposed to have been a good one by the time Obiwan met him.
>google some random shit to deflect away from how stupid I am and how right you are and how I have literally no fucking argument because the previous two trilogies did the exact same shit that is suddenly a problem now because the mc is a female
Nah, you lost, I'm good.
>>65000370
Is it just me or does Rey fight like the average bss wielder?
>>65000981
>Phasma gave up the codes easily meme
I already rekt that argument here kid, keep up.>>65000041
>>65000425
Those weren't flashbacks that was her using the force vision to see the future and shit from the past.
Anakin did that shit all the time
>>65001060
You didn't "wreck" shit, you merely brought up another problem with the shitty writing.
>>65000906
I knew what it was from this boring anime I watched before
>>65001143
I rekt YOUR shit, and you've yet to come up with a valid retort other than name calling or requests to google shit that have nothing to do with anything.
I gave you MULTIPLE valid reasons as to why she gave up the codes, I gave you valid points as to why the indoctrination is flawed to begin with, and then I asked you why you didn't question Obiwan pulling levers to lower a shield, but now it's suddenly a problem that a captain how might be legit scared of a wookie tearing her to pieces would give up the codes.
Nothing you've stated has any weight or merit being, waahhhh I don't like this movie, this one in particular is shitty while I forgive all the similar or worse nonsense from the previous trilogies.
>it's a triggered autist rabidly tries to defend shitty writing on a Cantonese basketweaving bazaar simply because of loyalty to a brand name episode
>>64998002
I agree. No needless jumps and the twirls made sense from a centrifugal sense during combat. Kylo was fully extended his strokes since he's utilizing his lightsaber like a one-handed longsword.
I wonder if anyone focused on rapier-style fencing in Star Wars? Stabs and precise cuts instead of two-handed cleaving?
>>65000987
>because the previous two trilogies did the exact same shit
Luke got beaten up by sand people
Ren beats up sand people
R2D2 wanted to get away from Luke
The stupid ball droid follows Ren instantly
Han gave Luke shit constanty
Han offers Ren a job (and Ren can fix Han's own fucking ship better than he can)
Luke and Han get stuck in a trash compactor
Ren mind-tricks her way out of a torture chamber (and resists torture)Ren is a Mary fucking Sue and you know it
>>65001118
anakin saw shit explictly relating to himself or people he knew (going by movies only here, not eu/dlc shit) so Rey's visions are consistent with that.
golden globe sketch was superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7thr3uvXCo
>>65000160
>ep6 is not canon
>>65001322
>I gave you MULTIPLE valid reasons as to why she gave up the codes
No you said "muh wookie will rip off muh arms", that's not a fucking reason.
And the rest of it was just you pointing out additional flaws in this shitty writing, what the fuck are you on you retarded cunt?
>>65001373
Oh so now we're moving the fucking goalpost by bring up other shit? You explictly brought up piloting, to which I succesfully refuted your horseshit, so now you're going to bitch because Rey, who raised herself mind you, is not a pussy bitch like Luke, who was raised by an aunt and uncle who explicitly limited his activities out of fear of him being "too much like his father".
Fuck off retard. I'm not even going to address the rest of your post. It has already been explained or refuted in this very thread.
>>65001368
Rey did like 3 or 4 thrust attacks in a row
>>65001546
>You explictly brought up piloting
Actually, some other guy brought up her piloting, telekinesis and saber skills, and I'm just adding to it.
But whatever makes you sleep at night you fucking lazy cunt.
>>65001546
>because Rey, who raised herself mind you
so she didn't get Jedi training?
which is it?
did she raise herself or have prior training?
>>65001459
>hurrr only one reason
Even if that were true (it isn't) trying to downplay the ferocity of a wookie with "muh" just shows how indoctrinated YOU are in 4chan memes that you can't even appreciate on any human level how a person might actually be afraid enough of a giant alien to fucking surrender.
You have already made up your mind to shut down all logic and reason. There's no arguing with a hate drone like yourself. You've given me NOTHING credible to even consider your stance, and you know damn well I tried.
>>64991542
General Hux is the General of the First Order.
Duh
>>65001667
she raised herself on JAKKU you dumb cunt. Why are you even posting if you have no reading skills at all?
>>65001611
>accuses me of being lazy
>spouts mary sue memes because he has no argument
>also obviously didn't ready my retort to the force and saber skills post
Yeah nah, I've written books in this thread already. YOU'RE memeing faggot ass is the lazy one.
>>65001674
>that you can't even appreciate on any human level how a person might actually be afraid enough of a giant alien to fucking surrender.
And you can't appreciate how Nazi-tier armies operate.
ISIS regularly suicide bomb.
Hitler Youth would rather die than receive blood-transfusions from English blood.
My point is they tried to do the whole "space Nazis" thing without giving any credit to Nazi fortitude/ insanity.
They portrayed Phasma as a die-hard yet made her roll over like a bitch when push came to shove.
Why do you have a problem with my perfectly valid criticism?
>160 replies
Of course you fags care about SNL. Literally Reddit this time.
>>65000952
>stealing youtube comments
cancer, reddit, etc...
>>65001776
>reading skills
>reading
>skills
>referring to reading as a "skill"
No anon, you are the retard
Adam Driver was also a US Marine.
>>65000738
is this sarcasm?
>>65001813
I refuted your stupid fucking points about the indoctrination! It is flawed! I gave you actual IN MOVIE QUOTES of characters EXPLICITLY admitting it is FLAWED.
Phasma was NEVER portrayed as die-hard, she has like 5 speaking lines?
Your "perfectly valid criticism" has been picked apart and refuted. Why do YOU have a problem with my perfectly valid retorts? Oh that's right, you'd rather meme it up before admitting you're flat out fucking wrong.
>>65001860
>can't read
>It's not a skill fuck you!
Oh my bad, I didn't know you were handicapped until now. I apologize friend.
>>65001953
>Phasma was NEVER portrayed as die-hard
>Who gave you permission to remove your helmet
Chinese review of TFA
"Feelings Americans in this type of movie copy trafficking obediently sent silver, pink and cult critics have to kneel lick, but it is definitely regress film history!
"Story actually weak, but then there are the visual effects innovation, but now it was not any advantage. Also allows new direct point lead full battle skills most waste in two villain, playing not brilliant lightsaber duel."
"North American critic high marks is blind? Drama overall copy the "new hope", the fast pace of noise."
"No new ideas, for PC, every Hollywood movie should add a black, spit"
"Actor ugly, noisy music, drama confusion, looking bored and uncomfortable. This is the highly anticipated 2015 blockbuster? "
"Distressed. Even so it does not look good. Disney Katherine seeking JJ let Luke ... do not ask him a whole ..."
"To build the world's no breakthrough, no exploration in the form of innovation. Story over and over again, consistent pattern, visual effects merely mediocre, performance can be called negative. We can only rely on its feelings and sell to lure people. Star Wars, can be laid to rest. 40 years ago you ahead of the times, and now the times had you thrown soberly. Galaxy sails dance, have to pay jokes."
"JJ beat only suitable for viewers under the age of twelve, had to be crossing over from the eighties kind. No revolutionary visual effects and innovative, you have to present at the surface more than the next point effort ah, now nor military nor the text, in addition to feelings of the party who would buy it?"
Does /tv/ agree?
>>65000215
For real
Too bad they made the damn captain of the space nazis roll over like a bitch within 2 minutes
>>65001898
back when they accepted 12 year olds
>>65000906
Looked it up. It's basically a barrel roll
>>64990460
Wow, this was better written and acted than the Force Awakens. Is the guy who directed this directing one of the sequels or spin offs?
>>64992326
I was delighted that the crossguard actually served a purpose and scorched Finn's shoulder
>watchable SNL sketch in the 21st century
Is this TFA's greatest accomplishment?
>>65000935
are you fucking daft? It worked before on her because she wasn't aware of her powers, but tat that point rey was too strong to be frozen again.
I'm not justifying reys disproportionate powers, but read between the lines you fucking mong.
>>65002783
Doesn't "the force awakens" as a title make no sense, since Kylo Ren is already using the force, and everyone knows about it?
Shouldn't it be called something else? Like, if they were trying to make her the focus, and not the force itself, shouldn't they have named it something more along the lines of, "Return of the Jedi", oh, wait, they already did that movie, nevermind.
>>65002783
So you pretty much answered my fucking question you fucking retard.
Ren couldn't paralyze Rey because she had Mary-Sue-Tier powers.
Game set and match you fucking rancid toadstool.
>>65002053
alright, why don't we do this, since you're never going to admit you're wrong. we'll do a simple summary of our conversation, and I'll just answer the question you asked.
You asked:
Why did Phasma lower the shields?
I asked you to look at all of the clues the movie drops, since you accused it of being poorly written, yet missed all evidence to the contrary
>Finn flat out defects
>Hux asks if Finn has ever shown signs of noncompliance before, implying troopers have in the past
>This his backed up by Phasma stating he was ordered to the RECONDITIONING CENTER, which further implies troopers have shown noncompliance in the past
>Kylo flat out questions the quality of troops indoctrination provides, and quips about going back to using clone troopers, who as we all know, have straight up programming
>Random commander is *afraid* of giving Kylo bad news (regarding the escape of Rey and the Droid from Jakku)
>Two stormtroopers turn around and walk the other way when Kylo is throwing his second tantrum, showing once again that indoctrinated imperial officers and troopers alike, are flat out afraid of dying, which is basic human nature
So from the above clues, we can assertain two things.
>indoctrination is flawed
>indoctrinated personnel are still very much afraid of dying
Also, since Phasma doesn't do or say much of anything, we don't know how she gained her command, or what she's like personality wise, so given that we don't know much about her, indoctrination is flawed as explained in movie by in movie characters, and personnel fear for their lives, let's answer "why did she lower the shields".
The answer is...
She didn't want to fucking die.
Now you can take all that an argue all you want, and you're certainly entitled to complain, but the one thing I won't let you get away with is, blah blah poorly written. That's horseshit. The movie gives you enough clues to come to a conclusion about Phasma lowering the shields. That's it.
>>65002879
No. Rey's the force that was awakened. If they left her alone they probably wouldn't even have to deal with Luke and their entire base being blown up.
>>64992326
why did he walk away after he had him knocked down, fucking retarded.
>>65000935
because she was force active and had defenses against that shit you dumb cunt.
>>65003114
tl/dr
>>65002922
>uses a meme
>self declares himself the victor
>circles back to an old argument that has already been destroyed by other posts
You're a special kind of retard.
>>65003149
Hell at that point theres no telling what force powers she would be able to learn after seeing ren use them on her.
It's likely she would just resist whatever power he throws at her then overpower him with it like she did before.
>>65003114
>indoctrinated personnel are still very much afraid of dying
except that goes against every lesson history has every taught us ever
Spartans
Imperial Japanese
Nazis
ISIS
Indoctrinated people are the exact opposite of what you're saying.
>>65003149
>>65003215
So basically "Rey was better because she was better"
Is that the extent of it?
If so then thanks for proving my fucking point you fucking asshats.
Rey wins because she's Mary fucking Sue, end of discussion.
>>65003219
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HISTORY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING MOVIE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC FICTIONAL ARMY IN A SPECIFIC FUCKING MOVIE STOP BRINGING UP HISTORY YOU PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL CUNT IT HAS ZERO BEARING ON THE CONVERSATION.
>>65003289
You know what? I'm trying this new thing where I end the arguments of you dumb cunts right at the source.
You asked:
>why didn't kylo force freeze her?
My answer? Why didn't Obiwan ever use superspeed ever again in starwars? Remember when quigon and obiwan used flash levels of superspeed to escape the droidekkars in ep1, but no one ever uses those powers again ever in any other starwars movie?
Answer that, and I'll answer why Kylo didn't force freeze her. I want you cunts to acknowledge and answer the flaws of previous films before anyone answers your stupid fucking questions about the new ones.
Oh yeah, and NO ONE here has gotten back to me on why Obiwan could just pull some fucking levers to lower the shields of the original deathstar, but can't accept that a captured guard who's afraid for her life, would lower the shields. Nothing on this point yet.
Oh yeah, nothing about Anakin and Luke being starship pilots with no training either. But it's magically an issue if Rey does it.
>>65003372
But that's my problem
>make the "first order" a complete fucking Nazi analogy
>proceed to completely ignore how batshit insane the Nazis were
It's shitty writing bro, deal with it.
>>65003520
>Oh yeah, nothing about Anakin and Luke being starship pilots with no training either. But it's magically an issue if Rey does it.
Except people constantly complained how fucking stupid Anakin piloting the Naboo fighter was, were you even born in 1999?
And Luke would have gotten shot down if Han didn't Deus Ex Machina at the end of a New Hope.
>guy kicks the wrench
>HEY YOU KICKED MY WRENCH
Actually a pretty funny skit considering it's from SNL.
>>65003520
>My answer? Why didn't Obiwan ever use superspeed ever again in starwars? Remember when quigon and obiwan used flash levels of superspeed to escape the droidekkars in ep1, but no one ever uses those powers again ever in any other starwars movie?
wow, you just proved the prequels are stupid, what a revelation
>>64990460
Pretty funny
>>65003559
>deal with it
FINALLY, the admission of defeat. I'm done.
>>65000717
Shitty edit. He throws the lightsaber and in the next scene lights it up without getting it back? lol ok
>>65003610
Finally, some admission that the other starwars movies have just as much bullshit, and yet, aren't as over analyzed as tfa.
>>65003660
Yeah, it'll be my new tactic for TFA arguments. Anytime someone brings up a critique against TFA, I'll bring up a similar one from the past movies.
Because let's face it, this is 4chan. No one ever concedes defeat. They will argue in circles, so instead of putting thought into my retorts and wasting time on someone who is already determined to hate something and never accept answers given, I'll just redirect them to past sw movies.
>>65003826
I think your caps-lock bullshit already made it look like you lost the plot m8
I think I'll claim victory here.
>>65003980
I was just emphasizing how excited I was to exhaust all of your bullshit arguments, and finally broke you down to just "well I just don't like it".
Thanks for the win, and have a great MLK weekend.
>>64991590
"A" commander is probably right. I got the impression he wasn't above Hux in the movie; or if he was, it wasn't by so much that he could just do anything to him.
>>65003960
>and yet, aren't as over analyzed as tfa.
The problem is TFA is also over-praised, my negro.
It's on par with the prequelsor worseyet people think it's up there with ANH/ESB
I really like his voice.
>>65004056
You didn't exhaust shit, in fact your entire argument boiled down to "its just a movie bro"
You lost this round, rebel scum.
>>65000247
If he was a bird he'd be Kylo Wren.
>>64990998
I hope we get more backstory on Sydows character. He clearly knew Kylo when he was Ben. Maybe he was allied with Luke in some way training Jedi or something? Whatever it is, his 5 minute scene was a waste of Sydows talents. I hope we get more.
>>65004073
I got the impression they were equals, but Kylo was a favorite of Snoke, due to his force abilities.
Phasma did refer to Kylo as Sir at one point, so he definitely has some rank in the First Order
>>64990998
Best scene in the entire movie. I went to go see it again yesterday, something came up and I got my money back after 30 minutes in. I felt pretty satisfied.
>>65004084
>prequel tier
>worse than prequel
That's objectively wrong. Let's talk about it:
Practical effects and sets will give it longer shelf life.
No retarded goofy aliens
No annoying bad actor kid
Tonally consistent, and appealing to one demographic like ep4 and 5 did, not trying to appeal to kids AND adults.
Clear, coherent plot
Better, more natural writting/dialogue
Emotional, and better lightsaber fights
Sabers feel special, and dangerous again
Better characters
Better, more dynamic directing, not that sit in my chair and film the characters from one angle walking back and forth shit the pt had.
Now to be fair, to both the pt, and tfa, I'm just comparing tfa to ep1. But structurally, narrative, directionaly, and just flat out from an entertainment aspect, it's better than every pt movie.
>>65004117
>It's just a movie bro
If that's all you read out of all the walls of text I wrote, I'm not surprised you gave up. You're an exhausted imbecile who can't muster any sort of validity to your posts. I get it.
>>65004344
I agree. TFA on a technical level is superior to all the prequels. That doesn't mean you have to enjoy one over the other. I understand V is a great piece of film making but I enjoy VI the most.
I will enjoy any butthurt this post causes, though.
>>65004382
You've said you're leaving like 3 times now, just admit defeat and fuck off.
>>65004258
JJ described his rank akin to Vader's. Nothing official but he is in command when Snoke wills it. I guess Vader was a Darth and Kylo is a Ren. It's poetry. Honestly, it's a good way of delegating authority. That way you don't have your super powerful dark side user making shitty decisions all the time.
>>65004344
>No retarded goofy aliens
Did you miss the scene with the little orange woman?
>Clear, coherent plot
Nobody in any theatre knew who the fuck the "resistance" were in relation to the "republic", the entire plot was a clusterfuck with recycled shit (get the droid with the plans/map, blow up the death star)
Trying to make the Republic still the underdogs with the Empire as the superpower still was so poorly done it hurt
>Emotional, and better lightsaber fights
Two noobs beating a trained dark-side guy is a shit fight
>>65000247
>>65004159
I demand more.
>>65004344
>Tonally consistent
>suddenly HP Lovecraft aliens flopping around a space-ship
>>65004423
To lend some weight to my defense of tfa, I feel like I should offer my own critiques. I'm not some blind droid in total love with it.
Hated deathstar three
Didn't like the flashbacks or visions. SW movies are typically self contained, but then, ep5 had "there is another" which wasn't answered until later, but still a shitty way to tell a story
Didn't like that Phasma didn't do jack shit
Hux was a bit over the top
Hate that snoke is a cgi character. Should have been andy serkis in a costume. The ONLY way, and I mean ONLY way, cgi snoke will pay off, is if he's small like yoda. That would be great pottery.
Maz is complete shit, fuck her
Luke's saber being recovered makes zero fucking sense. It fell off of cloud city, which is on a gas giant. It would not be recoverable unless it fell on some ship beneath the clouds, which is possible, but dumb.
Rey's past should have been explained in the first film, which would have done away with a lot of critique I think. Her past being a mystery is annoying as fuck, and I fear she will discover it offscreen via DLC, like how a lot of the pt story was handled.
>>64990998
"Yousa right"
>>65004702
Not that anon but are you implying weird tentacle monsters are not Star Wars?
>>65004502
I never said I was leaving kid, I'm here to stay. I spanked your ass. this is my fucking thread. eat shit and die nigger.
oh and look, I'm even making better arguments AGAINST the movie than you did. Here are some ACTUAL critiques, not your mindless drivel.
>>65004720
>>65004640
>nobody knew the relationship between resistance and republic
hux gives a huge speech EXPLICITLY stating that the republic is supporting the resistance
>you miss the little orange woman?
I missed where she made shit jokes, and fucked around a battle field, and is hated by the entire sw community
>two noobs beating a dark side guy
That never happened, and isn't even a proper critique. Try again timmy.
>>65004702
>HP Lovecraft aliens
I don't get the issue, but nice reaction image/none argument.
>>65004809
>no retarded goofy aliens
is what he said, like it was a point
so what actually qualifies as retarded/goofy?
>>65004720
>The ONLY way, and I mean ONLY way, cgi snoke will pay off, is if he's small like yoda.
Snoke is gonna feed off someone's life/force and regenerate. Calling it now.
>>65004872
>>65004702
There was a tentacle alien in A New Hope.
>>65004872
Why do you think the republic moved its capital to a planet that was exactly like Coruscant except not Coruscant?
>>65004887
I think that anon is talking about Jar Jar having fart jokes.
The anon I was replying to, that may or may not be you, was talking about lovecraft monsters affecting tonal consistency. I thought that was weird because ANH and RotJ both have tentacle monsters and the Sarlaac especially is pretty 'Lovecraftian' in how you slowly you're digested.
>>65004720
>Luke's saber being recovered makes zero fucking sense. It fell off of cloud city
Cloud City has a bottom. I agree with all your points otherwise.
>>65004887
I as referring to Jar Jar. I should have literally just said "No Jar Jar".
>>65005004
>I think that anon is talking about Jar Jar having fart jokes.
So the big arse on that alien where Flyn drinks the water isn't of the same tone?
>>64990460
>HIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>65005057
Look I was talking about tentacle monsters, I'm not here to take on another anon's argument for them.
>>65004989
My guess is coruscant has always been a corrupt shit hole, so the new republic wanted to distance itself from it.
Honestly, I fucking hated new deathstar, so I won't even defend that aspect of the film, or anything to do with it.
On a side note, they DO mention the system that got nuked, but I couldn't remember the name to save my life. All I know is, they state in the film that it was "not coruscant" that was nuked, not actual coruscant.
>>64990460
Is this guy the new Napoleon Dynamite.
>>64998107
How did the people in the back hear him???
>>65004702
ANH: trash compactor alien
ESB: giant spice worm in asteroid
RToJ: sarlaac pit
>>65005057
I saw the movie twice and never noticed a particularly big ass on a pig lizard alien. In any case, it was focused on, and there were no fart/shit gags/jokes related to it.
Jar Jar steps in shit, AND has a weirdly sexy alien fart in his face. That shit is literally kindergarten tier humor. But then, at the end of the film, a guy get's cut in fucking half. That's what I'm talking about regarding tone. TFA has no such issues.
>>65003146
He was on a Deathstar that was exploding and needed to get Rey to Snoke (Alive (so Snoke could interrogate her), that's why he didn't kill her/went easy on her) and obviously wanted the lightsaber beloning to Luke.
If he actually succeeded at that both Rey and Finn would be knocked out on a planet wich is about to explode.
>>65003146
why did darth maul scrape his saber across the ground back and forth when obi wan was dangling in the hole?
Why didn't dmaul just force push obi wan down into the abyss?
Fucking retarded.
>highground joke instead of legit answer incoming
Yeah, I know.
>>65005178
>Honestly, I fucking hated new deathstar, so I won't even defend that aspect of the film, or anything to do with it.
Except that was like the second half of the movie.
>On a side note, they DO mention the system that got nuked, but I couldn't remember the name to save my life.
I thought it was Coruscant, then found out it wasn't.
But even Red Letter Media called it Coruscant,
Seriously, the plot was terrible, nobody actually knew what was happening.
I duno if you have some problem with RLM, but their review sums up a lot of what I thought made this film silly.
Like, I'll just reiterate that making "The Resistance" just so the "good guys" could still have an underdog feel was extremely cheap of them.
And all the copy-paste of A New Hope.
Frankly I thought the plot was fucking surreal (and not in a good way)
>>64999730
She wanted to live and literally told Finn and Han that bringing down the shields would do nothing. She probably thought they would try to escape with Rey (wich means they both had to get through Kylo too) and try to get out again. She probably had no idea the rebels would show up.
>>65005331
>it was focused on
I meant, wasn't focused on.
>>65001898
>was
once a marine always a marine.
>>65005499
So, she's a complete coward?
Are you people struggling to like Phasma or something?
She had one job, and she failed at it.
>>65005331
>has a weirdly sexy alien fart in his face
>weirdly sexy alien
Don't do this to me man, don't be that guy.
>>64998130
What's the excuse for Ren surviving the shot to the gut again? Just plot armor?
>>65005468
Why exactly does it matter what planets got blown up, or what system they were in. The thing blew up a bunch of planets, that's the point.
>>65005468
Wait, I'd like to play doubles avocado here.
RLM is bad and reddit when they critique the pt, but ok when it critiques TFA?
As far as not knowing what's going on, I can't accept that. The movie is so fucking similar to ep4, as you listed in that image, that a child could figure it out.
They should have mother fucking explained more about the significance of the system that was destroyed though. Random people blowing up out of nowhere did nothing for me.
>>65003146
Kylo wants to play with his lightsaber, it's probably been years since he got in a duel.
>>65005468
I heard a rumor that JJ originally intended to blow up Coruscant until Disney vetoed him.
>>65005664
>They should have mother fucking explained more about the significance of the system that was destroyed though.
It was the seat of the Republic. What more did you need?
>>65005602
What's the excuse for Anakin surviving having all his limbs cut off and burning to a crisp next to lava again?
Just plot armor?
>>64990460
wait adam driver have stravismus too
>>65000000
nice
>>65005652
see
>>65005702
I'm just trying to pick at the film at this point, the damn film had a retcon before it was even released.
>>65005664
>RLM is bad and reddit when they critique the pt, but ok when it critiques TFA?
What?
>As far as not knowing what's going on, I can't accept that.
No, I just mean the finer points.
I had no clue the "resistance" was actually a private military funded by Leia, until I read it on the internet.
I had no idea why they had to make Jakku another desert planet, or why there were Imperial derelicts strewn everywhere.
All of this information is in some book they released for the film, they're already pandering to fandom asshats like me, but they're doing it in a very weird way.
