I have never been so angry in my entire life.
Should I watch this if Thin Blue Line and Dear Zachary made me furious?
I'm worried about the impact 10 episodes can have on my mood
Beernsten's peanut butter smidgens are the only good thing in that frozen shitpile of a town.
Steven avery is a murderer. Brendan dassey was an accomplice. Deal with it, OP.
>>64735158
I've never watched those, but this shit made my blood boil.
>>64734706
youre not the only one. couldnt believe how that bullshit went down
>>64735158
if dear zachary made you furious then you will go on rage overload since its 10 episodes of corruption and incompetence of the highest level. worth watching it though, just expect to be frustrated throughout
>dat voice
>dat sensationalism
Is this documentary the new Loose Change?
go outside
>>64735326
I hated this condescending faggot and Kachinsky laughing at everything and being a shit lawyer in general.
>>64735326
ok so im not the only one that noticed this dude's gay sexline voice.
>>64735198
the police framed a guilty man, and even if dassey was involved at all, he didn't do anything like he said he did
>>64735412
kachinksy reminds me of the blundering car salesman from fargo...just always smiling, and fucking it all up all throughout
>>64735414
he sounds just like the chick from the objectum sexual doc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE3pGYjz8Ws
>>64734706
well you should be mad because it was clearly biased for steven, they didn't even bring up steven's sweat was found in the car or that steven called teresa several times and using his sister's name. if you look at this as steven did it but the cops didn't have enough evidence, it just show how far cops would go to get a conviction
>>64735485
haha, holy shit man. uncanny
Go watch Dear Zachary. Canada makes our justice system look perfect.
why don't they just do a lie detector test? i know they can't use it in court but at least we will know, they can even sell it as a tv event. clearly they just want money
was it just me or does anyone else really dislike halback's brother?
>>64735657
The reason they can't use them in court is because they are notoriously unreliable. They can be faked, the person being interrogated could give false positives, etc. Polygraphs are almost on the level of phrenology when it comes to meme science.
>>64735326
P R I Z E
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>>64735533
Sweat is same deal with blood, somehow no fingerprints on the car, but his sweat and blood is on it, and it was found months after iirc? And the car he was selling was his sisters hence using her name. All of the evidence 'not shown' in the documentary is not conclusive at all and much of it is just as suspect as the other shit.
>>64735666
Total Chad. Only took me 5 seconds to realize he's a douche.
>>64735326
>Le please stop watching if you are under the age of 15, what i'm about to say is too sexy and graphic for children
laughed in disgust so hard at this.
>>64735482
that's a pretty perfect comparison actually
>>64734706
blatant anti-white propaganda
>>64735482
>>64734706
Angry enough to kill Teresa Halbach no doubt. Call it in boys, we've found the killer.
he might be innocent, but don't be so easily manipulated
>>64734706
you need more important shit to worry about fagmo
>>64736948
Jesus, with those logic jumps you'd fit right in with attorneys in Calumet County, Wisconsin.
Kachinsky is literal scum
>>64737131
how am I making logic jumps
Well they did it so you shouldn't be.
I watched the first 4, should I bother with the rest? The shit plods along so fucking slowly. Wisconsin is an eye sore, and I am sick of listening to the acoustic guitar soundtrack. I really don't see how this needs to be 10 fucking episodes.
How did he get so fat?
>>64737342
>plods along
get back to your transformers
>>64737342
and the people are so dumb
>95 percent of the people in the show have worn cheese on their head at some point
Brendan I need you to draw yourself killing Theresa
But I didn't do it
Brendan do you want to be in trouble
No
Then do what I tell you
OK
Draw a chainsaw, and some chains, and no no draw yourself chopping her into pieces and inserting your penis into her wounds
Ok there, can I go home now I'm gonna miss Wrestlemania
Brendan you retard you're going to prison for the rest of your life
justice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0
>>64737342
im on ep 9, things get really interesting imo throughout the case but it's basically a dead stop after the verdict. I don't see the point of going through the retard 17 yr old's case and ep 10 is likely just gonna be the averys being mopey and sad without any real closure.
What I don't understand is that it's almost as clear as day that Brendan is a bit mentally challenged yet the treat him as if he was normal?
>>64737747
He can velcro his own shoes and in Manitowoc that puts you one level below Einstein. Several of the city officials actually have silent respect for his intelligence, much in the way Starling has respect for Lecter.
>>64737381
same way anyone else does
>>64734706
i thought it was pretty funny.
>yeah?
>dont get screwy
also, he totally killed her.
>sweat on car
>60 or so phone calls in a night
>denied bonfire, when pressed admits having it
he didnt kill her like the prosecution presented it, they planted the evidence to ensure a conviction, but he most definitely killed her. that retarded teenager had nothing to do with it. hes just a retard that wanted to make the cops happy. poor bastard will never see wrestlemania
>>64737453
It's like our society and circumstances conspire up these fun little Darwin tests to see if you are fit to live. I think Brendon failed. This, folks, is why you always lawyer the fuck up and make sure not to be born poor & uneducated.
>I need tv shows to tell me how the real world works.
>>64738159
> implying video format isn't a valid information transfer medium
> implying being something you watch on a box in your living room somehow makes it somehow inferior
Go kill yourself
>>64738217
> implying video format isn't a valid information transfer medium
> >
kill youselfyou're a waste of space
>>64738122
Everytime he came on screen and spoke I couldn't stop laughing. I kept thinking to myself how can someone be so unbelievably stupid. I laughed but at the same time felt so fucking bad for him.
>>64735485
Good gravy Miss Daisy, MY SIDES!
Yeah I'm pretty pissed off too by this. You should look into the Kelly Thomas case, his own father couldn't even get the police convicted and he was a former sheriff himself
>>64738018
you can't shove junk food into your face all day in prison
>>64735326
this guy is a secret pedo im pretty sure
>>64737436
As a person from Wisconsin, the Avery family does make us all look like hillbilly retards. It's not really like that though, all of the lawyers, and the Halbach family, and most of the people interviewed that weren't the Avery family were normal, and that's the majority of what you deal with here. Every state has rural dummies.
>>64734706
>I have never been so angry in my entire life.
How about world poverty, war, natural disasters etc.?
>>64737453
Yea, I think there's plenty of evidence to reasonably suspect Steven, but Brendan's conviction is pretty bogus imo.
>>64735158
dont do it son
so many who watched it try to argue he is innocent or otherwise ... i think regardless of he killed her or not, the incompetence, nepotism and corruption in the US legal system is uncanny.
>>64738858
It's possible that the food at his prison is very rich and he gets little to no exercise. Combined with shit tier genetics and probably dwelling on a lifetime of regret ahead of you causing depression.
>>64738064
>he didnt kill her like the prosecution presented it, they planted the evidence to ensure a conviction,
That's basically how I feel. And at least most of the shit with Brendan seems like bullshit, they manipulated a borderline retard.
>>64738064
>60 or so phone calls in a night
What the fuck are you even talking about? If you are going to post Ken "The Prize" Kratz's "evidence" then at least don't distort it even more.
>>64735326
>asks how dare anyone question police integrity
>says just the accusations harm police reputations
>ignores how Avery's reputation was harmed by both cases
>turns out to be a sleazeball that sexually harassed a domestic violence victim
Such a piece of shit, and he was taking the moral highground during the trial.
>>64739265
I'm from WI too, originally from a small town. I get culture shock when I go back. I can't believe I grew up surrounded by so many idiots. There's actually one idiot who drives around with a flagpole in his shitty truck flying the confederate flag.
>>64739640
What town? I'm from Oshkosh, now in Milwaukee.
>>64739707
From Antigo, now in Madison
>>64739773
A ton of us fled south in a great exodus after graduation to escape the constant country music and bible-thumping.
Someone explain the ribbon and Kratz being a prize, I don't remember either of those.
>>64735666
i got triggered so hard every time that idiot came on screen
I'm from the future and viewed the events with a time machine.
During Colburn's visit to Steven on November 3rd, he checked the grounds and found her car (called it in to confirm).
He did not record the visit, because he was conspiring with the manitowoc county sheriff dept. on how they can pin it on Steven.
Bobby and his stepfather Tadych did it.
They burned her body in the quarry. Moved the remains to the barrel behind their trailer, then scattered remains behind Stevens trailer to frame him.
>>64739829
>Kratz being a prize
Did you watch the last episode?
>>64739829
The Investigator Mychal showed pictures of Teresa's blue ribbon from her Church and started crying about it on the stand
Kratz was a sex addict that sexted girls something along the lines of "You may be the tall sexy nympho but I have the six figure income, nice house, I am the prize"
>>64735533
Anons keep on bringing this shit up as if it's this conclusive evidence of guilt; as if police that have planted a car key and blood evidence (police whose involvement in the investigation alone should be enough to cast huge doubt on the investigation) are not going to be able to find some sweaty item of Steves (guy looked like a sweater)The *69/ ringing from sisters phone /asking for her specifically is perhaps evidence she was slightly creeped out by him, but that is not evidence he killed her!
An anon in a thread yesterday was saying
>but all the evidence of Steves innocence was location based!
>he couldnt have killed her in his trailer or garage because no blood
>but he could have killed her elsewhere
But if you think this then why assume it was Steve who killed her? He killed her on the outskirts of his property or beyond, then decided the best thing to do was being her body and burn it next to his house, despite having several better options? !
If you accept she was killed elsewhere then surely it looks more like someone else killed her and then either murderer or police or both moved evidence to frame Steven?
And to those calling the documentary biased: YES. IT WAS. It was extremely biased in the direction of Stevens innocence. ...LIKE THE TRIAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN!
>>64739806
I guess I don't spend much time that far north. I mean, there are bars and churches everywhere, but Milwaukee, Madison, and even smaller cities like Oshkosh have sizable, er, religious right populations.
>>64739981
It wasnt steve calling. It was Tadych who is now married to Barb (Steve sister).
The police speculated it was steve.
I desperately want a second doco that focuses on who murdered the woman.
Theres a strong True Detective vibe to the whole thing.
>>64740056
Source on this?
>>64740056
>The police speculated it was steve.
They never speculated on it being Steve. They were conviced from the beginning.
>>64740168
Time machine.
Also, this is pointing to the right directions.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/10/making-a-murderer-meet-the-men-steven-avery-thinks-may-have-killed-teresa-halbach.html
Truth will be revealed 4 years from now.
>>64739392
FUCKING THIS !!!
Imagine those cops arresting you, that attorney (retarded kid`s) representing you and that judge convicting you ... I cannot determine if steven killed her, but i can for sure say there is something rotten about the system.
The guy is white. If you think this is unfair just imagine being a person of color, meaning the entire system is stacked against you. You're almost a dozen times more likely to be convicted of a crime than someone with white privilege.
this shit just keeps growing into a bigger a mess. Now steven is actually saying his brother chuck should be blamed due to his past with stalking women
>>64740241
What happens in 4 years?
>>64740269
better cuck chuck
>>64740269
>Now steven is actually saying his brother chuck should be blamed due to his past with stalking women
>implying
Please don't link that article citing 2009 documents of other people Steve is saying the police should have looked into.
>>64740241
i dont think this article is pointing to the right directions ... i say the GERMAN
>>64740131
My girlfriend was convinced the opening had a GoT influence, but I knew it was True Detective all the way
>>64735158
I just got done with episode 4 and am this fucking close to forming a party to break these faggots out of jail, fucking blowing a gasket over here.
>>64740260
r u trolling ?
>>64739981
The people who bother me the most are the ones saying:
>Well, the police did obviously plant some evidence
>but he probably did it anyway, they were just making sure they got a conviction
>I see no problem with this whatsoever
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Shall we just do away with the legal system and when a serious crime is committed, just let the local community kill anyone they think is a bit weird or any stranger in town?. Like the good old days right?
>>64740334
not going based on those...chuck avery was interviewed recently and he talked about this
![739242095[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B3C86yV.jpg "739242095[1].jpg")
>>64740260
>I would never send an innocent man to jail
>>64740297
The car is retested.
>>64740414
I don't see what you're having trouble with. The legal system is flawed, we all know that. At the very least we can take the probability that he did do it as consolation for the fact that the conviction was a little sketchy.
>>64740548
more than a little ... also wtf is wrong with u
![Halbach_Mike[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qvYFsxn.jpg "Halbach_Mike[1].jpg")
>Post yfw good ol' Mike Halbach would grace the screen with his presence
>>64740681
steven (possibly) killed the wrong halback
>>64740016
They're the majority in most of the small towns. I've got no problem with god people, unless they start making up bullshit about how the country will cease to exist if we let them get married. Which happened a lot. Just so much hate from a religion I was taught was supposed to be about love.
>>64735485
>if you look closely at the picture, you can see my sides leaving earth's atmosphere
>>64740548
Yeah, you are one of the people I'm talking about...you just don't really get it do you?
>>64738858
Yeah you can
>>64740260
As a black person you're a dozen times more likely to actually commit crime too.
so it balances out.
>>64740854
finally a red pilled negraw
sup reddit
So what was up with Kratz saying in his closing argument that the police "had to kill her"?
found this in /x/
God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>if we wanted Avery disposed of we could have done it much easier in other ways
>so you're saying you could have killed him
>yes
He straight up says yes.
I'm afraid to go on watching for fear of my blood pressure.
>>64737747
The Judicial system loves to prosecute retards, just like other people with mental disorders.
I question the wisdom of making a documentary like this. Is the freedom of one petty criminal worth losing trust in the entire justice system?
>>64741076
are you fucking serious man?
>>64740548
I don't understand how anyone can take consolation in a man going to prison for a crime that wasn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. We have courts and the legal system for a reason, no one is good enough to surpass it for "justice".
>>64741076
Is your dad a sherrif?
>>64741076
>"We- We love the Police"
Good goy the police are there to protect you.
>>64741101
Yes. We must overlook occasional mistakes like this to preserve trust. If people don't trust the justice system then who knows what else they'll question/disobey?
>>64741076
Yes.
>>64740776
He gets it, he just doesn't want to admit that he likes it so he is willing to throw up the weakest of defenses to justify his feelings.
>>64741076
>one petty criminal
>a man who was wrongly convicted and lost 18 years of his life may now lose the rest of his life on something that nobody proved he did
The prosecution was underhanded, they proved absolutely nothing, and the system was obviously lopsided. If that doesn't piss you off then I honestly don't know what to say.
>>64741157
Fuck off Merkel, shouldn't you be executing children for saying they don't want to be raped by refugees?
http://strawpoll.me/6500127
>>64740548
>God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>64741076
What's the point of having trust in a system that doesn't work? Do you enjoy living life with blinders on so you don't have to see any of the disconcerting things happening around you?
>>64734706
Keep this shit in the generals
>>64740655
>>64740767
>>64740776
The legal system is an attempt at justice, but the notion that "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" always results in justice is naive. Not that it's no a good policy to have. Isn't it better that in this case he most likely actually did it, as opposed to him being innocent again? I'm with the lawyer who said he hoped he WAS guilty, so that at least the time served is the just end, regardless of flawed means. That all being said, he did most likely do it.
>>64741186
The guy had an unpleasant past. They wouldn't convict someone who's completely innocent. Sometimes, you have to work the system to produce justice. I'm okay with this because I'm not a criminal and I have to wonder why treatment of criminals seems to concern you so much.
>>64741157
>If people don't trust the justice system then who knows what else they'll question/disobey?
Yeah, like corruption and incompetence. What a tragedy that would be.
this cunt...
>>64741255
>please give me the attention my parents refused to
>>64740260
>person of color
whites a color
>>64741125
By law, a guilty conviction is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The verdict is what is required for proof in the court of law. Besides that, it's still most likely that he did it.
>>64739518
he used *67 to block his number. on phone records the number shows up. it was his. he called her like a fucking psycho.
also, he has telltale signs of a killer: torturing small animals, including throwing a living cat onto a bonfire to watch it die. NO PATHOLOGY THERE
>>64741219
Is this a meme? Anyways, I still think he likely did it.
>>64740260
PUT YOUR FUCKING TRIP ON KRAGER YOU DISGUSTING NIGGER
>age 20 douse cat in kerosene and throw in bonfire
>put gun to female cousin's head in middle of the road
>send letters threatening to kill and mutilate wife to children from prison
>fellow inmates sign affidavit saying he drew and planned to build torture chamber
>two women (one underage) claiming he raped them sign affidavits
>last person to see victim alive
>no alibi
>literal mountain of physical evidence on property
HURRR DURR THE COPS PLANTED IT ALL GUYS IT'S A FUCKING CONSPIRACY HURRRRRR
You know, I expect this bullshit from Reddit, but I'm disappointed in all of you.
>>64741306
how did he decontaminate my due
>>64741306
This. Even if he weren't guilty of that particular crime then he was a murder/rape waiting to happen.
>>64741287
>he called her like a fucking psycho.
He called her twice with a blocked number and she knew him before she worked with him before and her co-workers knew where she was going and she knew where she was going. He called her because they had an appointment.
What are you talking about?
>>64741306
Half the shit you wrote isn't even true.
I think the cops pissed me off more in this case than if Avery really did murder the woman.
>>64741287
>>64741306
>>64741339
Nice one, Kratz.
>>64741339
Ironically, this is why the cops were so blind about not realizing he was innocent of the Beernsten case, because they knew what a giant piece of shit he was.
>>64741218
I'm surprised more people haven't pointed out a conspiracy involving the state, think about it.
>Man served 18 years in prison do to a series of fuck ups
>Is now suing the State for $36,000,000, that they clearly don't have
>Have the cops keep tabs on him and notice he has repeated contact with Halbach
>Frame him for her murder
>Now his retribution is gone, and instead of $36m he settles on $400k to pay his bills
>The police department, and everyone in a court room are paid by the state
Seen as how suspicious and important Bobby and Scott were, I'm surprised they didn't get more than 20 seconds of interrogation. They're the prime suspects to me
>>64741339
using this logic we should arrest all blacks then....i aint disagreeing though.
>>64741353
Name's what's true, nigger.
Two affidavits from two other women he raped were admitted at his bail hearing.
Statements from his fellow inmates about his rape chamber plans were admitted at his bail hearing.
Both those things were left out of your precious documentary. Google them you ignorant fuck.
>>64741411
THE PRIZE
>>64741346
Yeah, you forgot the part where Teresa's receptionist said Avery once came to the door in a towel and whatever he did skeeved out Teresa so badly she never wanted to go back.
Oh wait, that's another nugget they left out of your little documentary again. Weird.
You ignorant fucks.
>>64741383
i don't know about that. People don't understand basic psychology, something you did at 19 is something you wouldn't even dream of at 36
>>64741411
Kratz you sly dog, you did it again
>>64741435
>Yeah, you forgot the part where Teresa's receptionist said Avery once came to the door in a towel
Because he had just gotten out of the swimming pool in the back yard
>>64741255
>The guy had an unpleasant past.
So if you're not spotless it's guilty until proven innocent?
>I'm okay with this because I'm not a criminal and I have to wonder why treatment of criminals seems to concern you so much.
Because labeling someone a criminal does not make them less than human. You do realize that "working the system" to produce "justice" is criminal? I have to wonder why you're willing to give criminals a pass just so they can convict someone you consider unsavory without evidence or proper procedure.
>>64741411
hello nancy grace!
>>64741435
Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Patrick Willis would not allow Dawn Pliszka, an Auto Trader receptionist at the time, to testify about one of Halbach’s previous encounters with Avery.
“She had stated to me that he had come out in a towel,’’ Pliszka said while the jury was outside of the courtroom. “I just said, ‘Really?’ and then she said, ‘Yeah,’ and laughed and said kinda ‘Ew.’’’
Willis said he could not allow the testimony because the date wasn’t clear and few details were known about the alleged encounter.
lol
>>64741255
>God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>64735444
TRIPS WITNESSED
>>64741450
Here's your source, ignorant fuck:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L-T7ipuRjFMJ:www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2016/01/07/da-says-avery-planned-torture/78437876/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
>Among other documents filed in support of his motion, Kratz submitted the transcript of a 1993 hearing before Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Fred Hazelwood that said Avery, while in prison, threatened to mutilate and kill his former wife, Lori Mathieson.
>That threat included drawings, and Hazelwood also discussed a "bizarre incident" with "sexual overtones" in which Avery admitted ramming his cousin's car and forcing her off the road.
>Kratz also included in Wednesday's filings statements from prisoners who served time with Avery at Green Bay Correctional Institution. They said Avery talked about and showed them diagrams of a torture chamber he planned to build when he was released.
>The filings also include statements from a woman, now 41, who said she was raped by Avery, who told her "if she yelled or screamed there was going to be trouble."
>There also is an affidavit from a girl who said she was raped by Avery.
>"The victim's mother indicated that the victim does not want to speak about the sexual assault between her and Steven Avery because Steven Avery told her if she 'told anyone about their activities together he would kill her family,'" the filing said.
>The affidavit said Avery admitted to his fiancee that he had sexually assaulted the girl
Gee, it's almost like you guys are a bunch of easily-led morons who got fooled by a biased documentary.
>>64741435
>it's a "I just read about Kratz's statements about another 5 pieces of prosecutor evidence just as easily debunked as the rest were in the documentary but now I KNOW Steven is GUILTY" comment
>>64741384
Don't you know only bad people are paranoid about the government?
Don't be a bad person Anon.
He killed her.
The kid most likely knew about it, maybe even helped or witnessed Steven dispose of the body.
The guy was more than a bit fucked and spending 20 years in jail could certainly push you over the edge to do something like this. They really glossed that part over quickly when it was brought up around episode 3 or 4.
The police probably knew that he was the killer but they didn't have enough evidence to prove it.
They knew given their past failings and the upcoming civil suit would cast doubt on the legitimacy of any case their made against Steve; so they planted an overwhelming amount of evidence to ensure his guilt.
The problem is they overdid it and now we will never know if they was enough evidence to convict Steven without all the tampering and coercion.
Steven belongs in jail but so do the cops.
Did his wife really threaten to kill his children and then herself? I'm surprised they didn't revisit that fact at all.
this guy posted on reddit how is dad is getting fucked by manitowac cops as well
>>64741545
Hey moron, those two affidavits from the other women he raped were taken BEFORE he went to prison for the first murder, so Kratz had nothing to do with them. He just admitted them at the bail hearing.
Sorry, you'll have to blame your fictional planted evidence on some other member of your retarded conspiracy theory who apparently planned this decades in advance.
Seriously, you guys are so fucking stupid it hurts. You see a documentary, you believe everything it says and you don't bother to Google a goddamn thing. You are LITERALLY Reddit.
>>64741584
>He killed her.
How and where? They found no blood of hers at all, and the RAV4 had his blood smeared but no other fingerprints.
>The kid most likely knew about it, maybe even helped or witnessed Steven dispose of the body.
He wasn't smart enough to lie.
>The guy was more than a bit fucked and spending 20 years in jail could certainly push you over the edge to do something like this.
This I can believe, but he did have 30 million dollars on the line.
>>64741655
>for the first murder
>first
?
Let's look at the facts without bias or assumption
>no DNA on Teresa's own key except for Avery's
>no Teresa DNA in Avery's room
>no Teresa's DNA in Avery's bed
>no Teresa DNA in Avery's trailer
>no Teresa DNA in Avery's garage
>no Teresa DNA on the floor of Avery's garage
>no blood in Avery's room
>no blood in Avery's garage
>no fingerprints in or outside Teresa's car
>every knife in the Avery compound found no Teresa DNA
>evidence shows Teresa's bones had been moved
Not to mention things like
>inconclusive blood DNA test used in trial
>absolutely no evidence, DNA, blood, anything, to suggest Brandan was there at all
>In Avery's trial they said Teresa died in the garage (none of her blood anywhere, none even that permeated into the floor)
>In Brandon's trial they argued she died in the bedroom
https://youtu.be/YwZ0ZUy7P3E
>>64741665
>How and where? They found no blood of hers at all, and the RAV4 had his blood smeared but no other fingerprints.
>>64741714
Sorry, not murder, rape. The Beernsten rape. The affidavits from the two other women he raped were taken before (or around) the time of the Beernsten conviction.
> He is obviously guilty because of the confession. Thank you.
Have you seen the confession?
> no
>>64741758
>>In Brandon's trial they argued she died in the bedroom
Thats completely allowed in court apparently. Prosecution can argue that both stories happened because the cases were seperate. Sick really.
>>64741655
Dude, why are not trying to respond to this >>64741507
I was not quoting the affadavits but your story about how she didn't want to go there
>>64741665
>He wasn't smart enough to lie.
If he wasnt smart enough to lie then his confession was the truth
>>64741387
This
What was their larger role in this?
All we heard was them both saying where they were driving at the time
>>64741781
>>64741655
>>64741524
>>64741435
>>64741411
>>64741287
>>64741306
>>64741339
Based Ken Kratz at it again
>>64737381
this kid deserves jail for just being so stupid
>>64741524
>le people should be thrown in jail for drawing bad pictures
>>64741832
And the bus driver, who drove on a routine, had a reason to be there and no reason to lie, discredited their stories.
>7 jurors initially voted not guilty
>3 jurors were "stubborn" on voting guilty
>The one juror acting as the rock from stopping the other jurors giving in had to be dismissed due to a "family emergency"
>The other jurors gave in to the 3 stubborn jurors compromises
>Avery guilty of murder but not guilty of mutilation, both counts of which go hand in hand according to the prosecution
>>64741758
Evidence is for losers and squares. The police have families! They're good people.
>>64741924
b-but kratz told me steven avery is a b-bad person
>>64741758
>Let's look at the facts without bias or assumption
Okay, here's the facts, moron:
>he tortured animals as an adult
>two women signed affidavits saying he raped them
>he threatened to kill and mutilate his wife
>inmates signed affidavits saying he planned to build a torture chamber
>threatened his female cousin with a gun in the road
>teresa's burned remains were found in his burn pit
>teresa's palm pilot and cell phone were found in his burn barrel
>teresa's crumpled license plate was found in a vehicle in the salvage yard
>teresa's rav4 was found in the salvage yard
>steven's sweat was found under the hood of the rav4
>steven's blood was found in the rav4
>the rav4's spare key was found in steven's trailer
>steven's sweat was found on the spare rav4 key
>a .22 bullet was found in steven's garage with teresa's DNA on it
>steven was the last known person to see teresa alive
>steven has no alibi
>teresa's receptionist says she was afraid of him
Yeah, you're right, you MORONS, it's much more likely that there was a grand conspiracy involving officers and forensics techs and lawyers from two different agencies to pull off the greatest frame job in criminal history than that an animal-torturing suspected-rapist violent psycho who was the last person to see the victim alive and had a mountain of evidence around him kill her.
You guys are complete fucking morons and have well surpassed "Hands up don't shoot" levels of delusion by orders of magnitude.
>>64741655
Ken, stop
>>64741758
THIS
>>64734706
>Wisconsins are as corrupt as New jersey water
Gee who knew
>>64741440
>People don't understand basic psychology
Seems like you don't either.
The trend shows that criminals escalate as time goes on, not the other way round.
>>64741978
>the greatest frame job in criminal history
Not that great seeing as it's been exposed
>>64741978
None of the first 5 points you make are relevant to the case. It's just character assassination.
The other evidence you point out is without taken into account the other evidence that goes along with it.
Yes, the RAV4 was at his place, but with everything scrubbed clean bar his blood. No fingerprints.
Her bones were found in his burn pit, but were confirmed to have been moved. There is none of her blood or DNA found anywhere else in his home. He didn't magically levitate her into the air, kill her, burn her in the air, then drop her down into a pit leaving her bones.
>BUT BUT BUT HOW COME THERE WAS NO BLOOD IN THE GARAGE
TIL it takes a criminal mastermind to think of laying down a 3 dollar roll of painter's plastic or a drop cloth before you fucking shoot someone.
I mean, it's not like they have those sort of things at salvage yards. I mean, it's not like they drain fluids out of cars all the time and might need them.
Oh wait.
>>64741978
THE P R I Z E
>>64742066
>prior rapes not relevant
>torturing animals not relevant
This is like arguing with Truthers.
>>64741790
i thought the same thing
>>64741978
Steven Avery is probably a creepy lowlife. There's no way you make so many enemies and get such a shitty reputation by being a standup dude. He may very well have killed TH and he may deserve to be in jail but that doesn't change the fact that what the state did in this case was just awful.
>>64741655
>>64741978
Ken, why are you still not responding to >>64741507 when it discredits your story about how afraid she was?
>>64742080
Did you see the mess in his garage?
Firstly he wouldn't have had room to place a sheet down, secondly, there was no blood found splatter ANYWHERE. Shooting someone on the floor would make blood splatter around like fuck.
If testing is so good that you can test blood permeating through rock, that you can test that bones had been moved from one place to another after being burned, you don't think they could test to see that someone had been shot on a sheet on the ground?
No impact marks on the floor, no traces of sheet or bullet, nothing.
>>64740260
Black people dindu nuffin dey good bois
>>64742080
>TIL
Stop Reddit
Two things that stood out to me
The series totally ignores the felony possession of firearm
And expecting us to believe that the girl lied about being told by the other dude that he saw the body being burned and shit
>>64742080
...and then completely forget about the blood in the car
Just stop, Prize.
>>64742041
>The trend shows that criminals escalate as time goes on, not the other way round.
Yeah, probably if you do it habitually. Steven was allegedly hanging around some bad people at the time of the incident that probably encouraged his feeble little brain to do it. In the documentary he seemed genuinely regretful for killing the cat.
>>64741218
>No Grigory Allen option
It was clearly him
>>64741758
plus:
> Right before Theresa died all the cops were being called for questioning on their ineptitude from 1985.
> Steven was about to get $450k by the State and had a credible case suing the police department for $36M.
> Steven's blood sample that was last checked just a year or so earlier and had been closed and sealed as evidence had been inexplicably opened, and a syringe had pierced the top of the container.
>>64742104
>argues like a truther
>projects it on others
Classic
>>64741524
great sauce ken ... super reliable. also only opinions and no facts
>>64741411
It's like you have no idea how things work.
How hard is it to get fellow inmates/informers to say anything if you let's say promise them earlier release or visitation rights or whatever.
How hard is it to intimidate two hookers into saying that someone raped them?
Especially if there is 36 million on the line.
Why is everyone shilling this dogshit all a sudden?
>>64742138
Ken, why are you ignoring this?
>>64742080
>plastic stops all blood
>still somehow find bullet with blood on it
>>64742253
Go away jimmy, the adults are having a discussion.
>>64740988
yo that part was fuckkkkkkddddd
So who do you think really did it? I think it's Bobby. He was the only one who was there and saw her, was 20 years old, showered before going hunting.
What ever happened to reasonable doubt? Almost every piece of physical evidence was flawed in a major way.
>>64742145
>Firstly he wouldn't have had room to place a sheet down, secondly, there was no blood found splatter ANYWHERE. Shooting someone on the floor would make blood splatter around like fuck.
It was a .22 bullet, you dumb fucking city kid.
Do you know how little a wound that makes? It doesn't splatter all over the place like the fucking defense was claiming (I've shot enough goddamn squirrels when I was a kid to know).
This is a .22 wound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg5vcX-3T3Q
You shoot someone in the head with that, there may not even be an exit wound. People don't use them to hunt for anything bigger than a rabbit.
>>64742368
America doesn't believe in reasonable doubt. Better to jail an innocent man than let a guilty one walk free
>>64742392
>I've shot enough goddamn squirrels when I was a kid to know
This makes you a murderer and a rapist imo
You disgust me
seriously though what kind of a person douses a cat in gasoline and throws it in a fire? it's not like he was a fucked up child who didn't know better, he was 19
>>64742392
but she was shot multiple times in the head
so the lol22 argument doesnt seem to apply
>>64735482
THIS
>>64742392
>may not even be an exit wound
>bullet found
This is just embarrassing
>>64742080
u`re still posting ken ?
>>64742468
You have never seen animal cruelty spam on here? People do disgusting things.
>>64742468
He has an IQ of 70 so he basically is a child.
>>64742572
I have my doubts about that, he doesn't seem that stupid
>>64742392
she was shot 11 times ken
>>64742263
Still waiting for your response, Ken.
.....B
SCOTT
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>>64742517
looool
any check if EDTA decomposes into something or if it evaporates
is it literally impossible to test for?
>tfw no Strang and Buting spin-off show
>>64742605
>he doesn't seem that stupid
Did we watch the same shit?
>"Well the accusations of the police planting evidence is completely absurd because the police just said they investigated that and found that they didn't do nothing."
>"The confession has Steven Avery dead to rights, he's completely guilty."
>"I haven't seen the video but the police said that the confession proves he did it."
I hate this cunt with a passion. Why do they keep cutting to him? All he does is shill for the police and regurgitate information they spoon fed him.
>>64742840
>Why do they keep cutting to him?
so you'll get mad at him
>>64742840
>why does he say stuff that doesn't help Avery? Such a shill. UGH!
>>64735158
I'm only two episodes in and I feel the need to find these lawyers and cops and and water board them.
Mum sure there's so much more but fucking hell. It screams bullshit.
Isn't it fucking illegal to not give someone their right to a phone call and an attorney? They flat out denied him. Twice.
>>64742877
He's a parrot, he's not actually saying his own opinions, he's repeating police statements and how much he agrees with them.
A literal fucking shill.
>>64742621
Where are you, Ken?
>Be 16 years old
>Try and tell cops what they want to hear because you lack the intelligence to know what's going on
>Be released from jail at 58 years old
I feel for Brandan the most. I wish the show focuses on him more. He literally did nothing wrong. He was so unaware as to what was going on, his biggest concern was whether he was going to miss wrestlemania or not
>>64742616
She was shot only once in the head, dude. You're mixing up that and the 11 shell casings they found in the garage.
Source if you're right, but you're not. They said it in the documentary it was one gunshot.
>>64742840
To be fair if my sister was murdered I'd probably not be thinking logically
>>64742952
He's asking for the FBI for a response to give. It should take a few weeks, but he'll manage to get back to you in a couple of days
This is like... You guys are trolling with this thread, right? Please tell me my 4chan didn't just suddenly decide to become a bunch of gullible sjws siding with the dindu nuffins.
>>64742971
Those interview scenes were super depressing.
FREE BRANDEN 2016
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>64742971
Yeah like when he asked if he could go soon after confessing to murder. Felt so sorry for him
>>64743014
Get back to /pol/ bootlicker
>>64741888
>hey everybody i am retarded and have no idea how psychology works
>Branden will never watch Wrestlemania and hand in his report for the 6th period
>>64743100
you called me retarded so that must mean you're a bad person.
You know I get people thinking the kid is innocent but I don't understand how you guys think the guy is innocent. Like cops moving vehicles and burned remains and squirting dna all over the place? You guys know this is real life and not a movie right?
>>64743157
they did it with OJ
>>64742971
JUSTICE FOR OUR BOY
>>64740241
Almost every man in the Avery/Dassey families has troubled pasts with women. Any one of those retards could have done it and knew itd get pinned on Steven
>>64742971
He deserved it
I bet the cops who got that confession were just as stunned as the viewers were when he actually confessed.
>>64743181
I mean I get that the cops will fudge evidence and lie and shit but carting burned human remains around and planting them and all this other stuff... that's some risky shit. What's the motivation for the cops to do all that shit? Because I can't see it.
https://np.reddit.com/r/AMA/comment
This is definitive proof that this series is officially "reddit".
This is /tv/. This is not the place for stupid pandering or fedoras, this is not the place for pathetic teenagers who are trying to be edgy. This is not the place for wild speculation about a case that only a select few know the full facts about.
Mods, could you PLEASE ban this shit and can we not start having generals about it (the most reddit threads in existence, go look at GoT for God's sake).
Go. Back. To. Fucking. Reddit.
>>64743217
Wasn't he going to sue the cops for millions of dollars?
>>64743157
Did you actually hear the inconsistencies with the "evidence"?
Answer how there can only be Avery's DNA on the key
No scratches on the bed, no rope fibers, no Teresa DNA anywhere on the property. No Teresa blood anywhere on the property? They found a bullet dipped in her blood, yet there's no blood anywhere to be found on the property?
Sure, you can't prove that the cops planted stuff. But you can prove that the evidence provided makes no sense and there's doubt Avery did anything
please explain
>>64743157
He may have done it but the cops definitely planted evidence. I mean it the vial of his blood had been opened and there was syringe hole in it!
>>64743118
Me calling you retarded makes me not nice, but threatening women, burning cats, planning out a torture chamber, obsseveliy calling a woman anonymously who was afraid of him, and having no alibi means that Steven Avery is a good man?
I bet you were one of those fucks who "cared" about Kony for 4 days
