Last poll got hijacked by bots so I'm doing this again
http://strawpoll.me/6455764
Which flick is better?
Revenge of the Sith has Sheev.
>>64505356
This.
ROTS has bigger meme potential, and that's about all there is to say about these two movies.
they both shit
but TFA had no excuse, so ROTS
>>64505303
If the last one was hijacked by bots then what be different this time you absolute fucking mank
if you pick TFA you're literally everything wrong with /tv/
>>64505303
ROTS by far.
TFA is a glib facsimile.
>>64505481
>Did not open the poll to see
What's it like being a retard?
>flick
Reddit is that way kid
>>64505634
This.
Revenge of the Sith is clearly a film.
RotS.
kinda funny how every post so far was pro-ROTS and yet TFA is winning
the shilling is real
>prequel memesters are behind
Good. Goooooood.
ROTS is original as fuck compared to TFA
>ywn not say "that's no moon" to yourself when the pie chart appears
I thought TFA was just plain boring, and completely used nostalgia to make it interesting. Literally just A New Hope 2.0 but somehow worse
At least ROTS was exciting.
>TFA winning
reddit sure is here
the fact that ROTS isn't winning by a wide margin is ridiculous
>>64505303
Rots had nothing going for it, and was boring and charmless
Just becsuse TFA borrowed plot devices (may i point out the archetypal quest structure used in tfa, one which was completely lacking in any of the prequels) doesnt mean its by any means worse. In fact the plot worked to its advantage because they could make everything else likeable, unlike anything in ROTS
>>64506380
Not everyone's a meme poster.
>>64506464
God awful opinion. Tourist please leave.
>>64506477
ROTS being better isn't a meme.
>>64505303
Both are bad but ROTS was original
Ahould be an option for both being shit tbqh familia
>>64506464
GLIB
Jesus fuck is this whole
>the prequels weren't that bad
meme still going?
Fuck you.
ITT: /tv/ at its contrarian best.
>>64506659
Better than groupthink
>>64506635
They're bad, but TFA is even worse
>>64506659
>le contrarian boogeyman
Fuck off.
>>64506682
>implying /tv/ isn't groupthinking that the prequels aren't bad
>>64506659
From my point of view, people who like TFA are contrarians!
>>64506701
>They're bad, but TFA is even worse
>>64506635
>>64506659
>it's star wars so they must be contrarian!
>>64506714
Being contrarian is in direct opposition to groupthink.
>Why don't you like it! Everyone else does! Fucking contrarians
>>64506769
Meant to reply to >>64506712
>>64506741
>the prequels aren't eye-gougingly bad
>>64506769
if everyone's contrarian, it stops being contrarian and becomes groupthink. /tv/ as a whole is groupthinking the contrarian meme.
DUH
>>64505303
Snooky is displeased. Snooky want smoosh smoosh.
>>64506825
So is /tv/ contrarian groupthinkers or groupthinking contrarians?
TFA is not even worthy of me pirating it to watch it again
it is that bad
>>64506890
yes
>>64506825
damn....
>>64505303
TFA's votes can't be this high.
Probably someone crossposted the pol to reddit.
everyone who says Revenge is shit, go put it on and tell me that intro with the drums over coruscant and the assault on greivous' ship isnt the best intro to a star wars film ever.
TFA is fucking awful. i thought people here had taste. revenge is objectively better and thats fact
Some nigger is getting people to vote ROTS even though TFA is clearly a better movie.
Oh nvm /tv/ being contrarians again.
>>64507442
>TFA is fucking awful.
no it's not, they're both good SW movies, but the opera scene in ROTS outclasses anything in any other star wars film
>>64507442
bowm b dum bowm b dum dowm b da d a da da dum
>>64507461
>contrarians
This word gives away the troll to easily.
Switch it up.
Gonna post poll on reddit so that they vote TFA. They won, after all.
>>64507461
>>64507477
samefag
>>64507477
>but the opera scene in ROTS outclasses anything in any other star wars film
someone post the pasta
>>64507530
redditor in disguise
>>64507477
if you take away the lightsabers and the obvious faces, TFA is just a high budget, fancy effects flick which is just using sw as a mask.
there is nothing star wars about TFA, and it makes me sad that people consider it a respectable part of the franchise
>>64507552
This scene alone is better than all of TFA.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg
Revenge of the Sith is painted in broad brush strokes. It is played out a mammoth stage by actors with megaphones. It is Big and Bold. It is outrageously epic geographically and emotionally. The symbolism is grand too and because it is in keeping with the story's sweep it does not unbalance the story.
On this scene, at the Opera House, the Mon Calamari put on a show where sperm-like ribbons float in and out of a massive watery egg. The discussion between the Chancellor and Anakin about the creation of life cements the visual message.
>"Ironic isn't it? ...He could save others but not himself" - Sheev
>"He saved others, let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen One" - Priest Luke 23:35
The director George Lucas uses the language of Christian heritage, words already resonant with meaning, as stepping stones to a greater understanding. In this way he subtly illuminates for us the roles, the motivations and the size of what is at stake.
>>>64507608
i unironically agree with all of this
>>64505303
from my point of view both of them fucking suck
if you mean being contrarian is not liking the flick it means you assume most people liked it. Do you have a source on that?
>>64507442
>it's a good movie cuz in the beginning there was lots of lasers and spaceships exploding with music
>>64507608
there was nothing like this in TFA. no indepth conversations, no substance. just nothing of interest. TFA is a fast paced action flick on par with flicks like transformers, and people actually rate it as a decent film! lmao
>>64507675
>I like TFA because it's newer, CGI is more better, there is more polygons on screen
a-ok
>>64507703
said no one ever
>>64507675
lol youre an idiot
>>64507719
you don't even have to say it
>>64507703
CGI still not better than avatar you 12yr bitch, and the alien designs were straight from highschool art students, pathetic
>>64507719
no, but thats why they like it.
theres nothing good about TFA apart from the effects, it tells you alot about the people that like it
>>64507725
a well thought-out counterpoint, i hadn't thought about that :^)
>>64507728
whatever helps you sleep at night memefriend
>>64507744
who's "they"?
>>64507768
damage control
>>64507787
another bombshell
If you look at the original films, Luke has a (foster) family; he participates. He does his chores (there is a sense of social responsibility). He's ordinary. Rey is a loner and a survivor, and clearly extraordinary in her abilities across the board, with no responsibilities. Luke is a slightly dorky teenager to whom we can relate - he seeks a role model; Rey is beautiful and dynamic - orphaned, but with no need of parental guidance. The orphan trope itself has become somewhat selfish, and speaks to a certain narcissism of modern independence. The film is not really not focussed on a social dynamic, nor the idea of any kind of altruism; they're presenting you with new characters whose primary motivations are selfish.
Rey doesn't decide to leave and pursue Luke; she escapes Jakku and then tries to return. There is no heroic motivation for her, and that she forgets about going home in favour of finding Luke is convenient but never given a believable basis. Luke decided to rescue someone.
>>64505303
>Revenge of the Shit winning
Fuck you guys so hard.
>>64507866
it's a meme
>>64507866
Literally crying
>>64507866
Sheev shits all over your ugly waifu
>>64507719
There are 3 reasons for liking TFA:
1. Graphical fulfillment
2. Believing a film has value for the number of diversity boxes it checks
3. Marvelesque dialogue that priorities humorous quips over substantive character development, using the emotions they generate to disguise the superficial interactions between characters.
>>64507879
no it's not
>>64507889
i didn't like it for any of those reasons. what happens now?
>>64507884
holy shit his arms are fucking MASSIVE wtf
>>64505303
I really don't know an adequate answer that would be satisfying.
TFA would win if the competition was only about visuals.
There is no denying of the fact that TFA, due to the the advanced time and new technical achievement and the sacrifice of a shit ton of CGI, looks way better.
But if we would search for originality and an "interesting" story ROTS would win because Lucas at least tried to do something original with the license at hand.
Acting wasn't that good in both films and each had its really cheesy moments
>>64507928
you have shares at Disney®
>>64507948
Listen to your heart, anon
You know that RotS is better
>>64507948
trying to tell an "original" story and utterly failing in every way isn't worthy of any praise
>>64507845
>Rey doesn't decide to leave and pursue Luke; she escapes Jakku and then tries to return.
It's called Refusal of the Call. It's the moment in the Hero's Journey where the Hero is called to adventure, but would rather stay at home in comfort. But the Call is always more powerful, and drags him (or her) in anyway.
Luke had it too: he knew his uncle depended upon him, and so he was unwilling to go rescue Leia. It was only after his aunt and uncle were found dead that he decided there wasn't anything left to keep him there.
Rey didn't have ties so weak, she still felt obligated to remain. Her ties weren't a person, but the promise or expectation of a person. It was only after her ordeal, after discovering who she was, that she decided it was better to seek out Luke and better train herself in the Force.
>>64507884
>implying Queen Senator Hershlag is my Star Waifu
>>64507928
I forgot to add:
4. It was like a New Hope
If it's not that then you are truly lost
>ITT teenage fanboys who try to like TFA so hard but it sucks so it really isn't easy
little champions
would you guys have liked it better if rey and darth emo were removed , the protagonist was finn the antagonist was captain phasma, and the film more organically explored finn questioning his role as a stormtrooper before leaving the empire remnant?
>>64508022
I realise that a film can't stray to far into visualizing character intentions for fear of ruining the quality of a film, but that doesn't change the fact that some features of character motivations require some establishment. Whilst TFA utilized classic tropes and story tools like the Refusal of the Call, there was still no reason for her to train in the force or enter the fight. There needed to be something more crystal than "having nothing better to do" as motivation.
>>64505303
Revenge has Grievous.
>>64508036
what if i genuinely enjoyed the new characters and had fun watching it? i know 'fun' is a meme now and you're not allowed to say that on /tv/, but honestly it's important to me.
i have complaints about the movie as well (especially trying too hard to be like ANH with Starkiller base), but for the most part i liked it.
plus i've literally not seen a single person said they liked the film because it was racially diverse and had good cgi.
>>64507948
RotS, and the prequels, are good concepts executed poorly, whereas TFA is a boring concept done reasonably well.
so while I give a lot of points to RotS for its concept, it was still a bad film
>>64508017
Telling a story that is more or less a Frankenstein construct of its preceding movies isn't worth of any praise either.
You see the dilemma don't you, anon?
>>64508017
A noble failure will always rank higher than than a crashingly mediocre movie made by accountants with a spreadsheet for a script, in my opinion.
>>64505303
>comparing a film that capped of a trilogy with a film that starts a new one
should be vs TPM tbqh faqm
>>64508193
TPM all the way then. The choice is actually easier.
Why do people act like the prequels are original somehow? They borrow heavily from the original trilogy too -- sometimes shot for shot.
At least when The Force Awakens does it, it's actually a quality movie.
>>64508193
TPM is even better than ROTS tho.
Give TFA a chance, buddy.
>>64508193
But TPM vs TFA would be a really easy win for the latter, no doubt about it.
Would be a rather boring thread wouldn't it?
>>64508241
>>64508259
you honestly think TPM is better than RotS?
I'll always prefer to watch a so-bad-it's-good movie with friends over a mediocre, Avengers-style movie that will be forgotten in 5 years.
Revenge of the Sith is better no doubt about it
RotS is infinitely better than TFA, it has plenty of problems but it raises lots of important issues such as the use of false flags to control & manipulate the population.
TFA is just an average action film that does nothing original.
>>64508247
>it's actually a quality movie
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64508296
yes
>>64508282
*ladder
>>64508247
> They borrow heavily from the original trilogy too -- sometimes shot for shot.
The reason that the prequels borrow from the originals is that they are prequels. The point is to tell the backstory of the original characters. It makes sense that Anakin, Obi Wan, and Padme are the main characters of the prequels because they are the most important characters to the backstory of the original trilogy. What they do (Anakin marrying Padme, Anakin being trained by Owi Wan, etc) are necessarily borrowed from the originals. What is the sequels in universe excuse for borrowing the exact same characters and concepts as the originals? There is none.
>>64508147
oh anon.. every story you encounter is more or less recycled from something else. everything you think is original is actually inspired by something else you're simply unaware of. even /tv/'s post-ironically beloved prequels borrow heavily from the OT (and do it poorly).
there is no dilemma. both the prequels and this new trilogy carry the weight of a cultural phenomenon on their shoulders. but the prequels leaned too heavily on spectacle and nothing else. and while TFA can be nitpicked to death, the characters and settings in TFA are clearly resonating with audiences a lot more than the prequels ever did, and nothing you or this strawpoll say will change that.
also about half that image is wrong. might want to get a new one.
>>64508164
*tips fedora*
>>64508247
There aren't that many story similarities between the original series and the prequels are there?
Still the Ring Theory proves to be perpetual in the Star Wars Saga
>>64508326
this so much
RotJ = a masterpiece of unintentional comedy
TFA = boring summer flick that no one will remember 10 years from now
The Prequel Trilogy is more creative, has better worldbuilding and in many ways better space opera than The Force Unleashed, They also have far more memorable scenes (Darth Maul vs Obi and Qui, Podracing, Jango Fett decapitated, Sheev etc)
Too bad the Prequels have probably some of the worst effects, writing, pacing and acting in major blockbuster history and are basically unwatchable without cringing all the way through. There was a good movie that could have been made with the prequels, too bad Lucas wasn't just producer.
TFA on the other hand is bland, derivative, unmemorable nothing shit out of some corporate office, but is very well made from a production standpoint and nothing is really offensive apart from how it's an unmemorable generic modern blockbuster movie.
I personally would rather watch TFA than any of the prequels, at the same time I would rather watch some of the scenes of the prequels on youtube than watch TFA.
>>64508430
>ad populum
hella f*ckin' epic
>>64508022
Although they attack the new 'Death Star' in the end, it is not the impetus for the story - that is the search for Luke, who himself has decided to absolve himself of responsibility (against his character) and remove himself from society.
Even Han has lapsed back to crime after failing as a dad - something that dishonours his previous arc that saw him go from scoundrel to hero by joining the team. In fact, it says more about him that he hasn't looked for his dear friend in decades. Everyone is disengaged, and there is no sense that forming a societal bond will help them. The filmmakers eschew the idea of a common good in favour of an outward message of empowerment. In fairness, we do get a heroic 'change of heart' from Finn, who decides to rescue Rey - only she doesn't need rescuing, and the dramatic gesture is mostly pretty useless - once again confirming to the audience that the bond of friendship is largely irrelevant. Finn and Rey do seem to like each other, and even hug at one point, but they seem much more like acquaintances of the Facebook generation than real comrades who share values.
>>64508443
*RotS
>>64508467
>Although they attack the new 'Death Star' in the end, it is not the impetus for the story
>this makes a second trench run OK
l o l
>>64508500
what if instead, they do a trench run but the bad guys actually win by learning from the mistakes on the previous deathstars?
>>64508423
>What is the sequels in universe excuse for borrowing the exact same characters and concepts as the originals? There is none.
The fact that Star Wars was always about the characters, so of course the sequels will focus on what happened to those character in the originals.
In fact, very few sequels change the focus of who the main characters are, so I don't get your point.
>>64508536
>In fact, very few sequels change the focus of who the main characters are
r u dum
>>64508465
hella f*ckin' red herring
my point was that the characters in TFA are easier to relate to because they act and talk like real people. it's only natural that audiences would resonate with characters that feel real.
what was memorable about Qui-gon Jinn or Queen Amidala? how about Mace Windu? even the star of the show Anakin just spends most of the time on-screen brooding and whining, only to be easily duped by the worst con ever. his character is perpetually mocked.
>>64508589
>what was memorable about Qui-gon Jinn or Queen Amidala? how about Mace Windu?
What isn't. These characters all much more memorable than Katniss and Kevin Hart in space.
>>64508430
>half that image is wrong
This still implies that half it is true.
Also, I'm aware of literally everything being unoriginal when you trace down the inspirational sources for its creator.
Furthermore things like the Monomyth make everything less original than it already is
>>64508536
To clarify there is no excuse for the sequels to introduce new characters as carbon copies of characters that were previously killed off like having Kylo Ren be the new vader, Snoke be the new emperor, and Hux be the new Tarkin. That is shit writing. As for the sequels reusing the same characters if it was decently written they would follow the arcs of the previous trilogy rather then cancelling them out. E.g having Han Solo be a smuggler again, having Han and Leia break up, having Luke not do anything and be a hermit, etc.
Every aspect of filmmaking is just better done in TFA than in ROTS. The acting is better, the cinematography is superior, the set design is more interesting, its ability to tell story through images (the purpose of a visual medium) exceeds everything in the prequels, every aspect of the mise-en-scene is just of a higher quality. It's fair to disparage its lack of originality, but to sit here and say that you prefer a 20 minute lightsaber fight to shots like pic related just proves that the memes have consumed you
>>64508645
>the cinematography is superior
kek
>its ability to tell story through images (the purpose of a visual medium) exceeds everything in the prequels
topkek
>>64508645
>trip
ok
>>64508589
>talk like real people
>"I didn't know there is so much green in the universe"
There is no arguing that the acting was better in TFA than it was in every movie of the prequels but this doesn't make it less of a copy of Star Wars IV with spliced in elements from VII
>>64505356
>>64505433
/thread
>>64508645
>i go to star wars movies for the technical displays of cinematic prowess
>>64508296
I consider TMP to be an average/okayish movie while RotS is a mix of utter retardation, entertaining action sequences and perfect rape of the original trilogy.
>>64508645
>its ability to tell story through images
>what is Padme's ruminations
TFA has nothing even close to as show don't tell as that scene.
>>64508630
then what is the merit of using originality as a marker for the quality of the film? unless we're going to accuse TFA of being a ripoff of ANH which i suppose one could make an argument for - but there are just as many things different as there are similarities
>>64508707
>but there are just as many things different as there are similarities
hehe. . .meme
>>64508705
What a fucking joke. Two people looking out of a window says absolutely zip regarding their situation or the story. That scene is nothing compared to Rey staring at the old woman doing exactly what she's doing and realizing that that's her future if she doesn't get off Jakku. That's visual storytelling done right.
>>64508645
i bet you think that Avatar was a good movie too
>>64508776
>Two people looking out of a window says absolutely zip regarding their situation or the story
One of the signs of autism is the inability to pick up non-verbal cues from other people.
>>64508673
>>the cinematography is superior
Wow, digital cinematography, how fucking impressive. Literally all you have to do is compose the image, everything else is done in computers. Compare that to TFA, where positioning, lighting, lenses, film type, etc. all play a role.
can anyone her recall a single song from TFA?
>>64508841
>score by john williams AND some spic
nope, i remember thinking i'd heard some pieces in a video game, but that's it.
>>64508076
That would be awesome
TFA is losing even during the time period where the hype blinds the more impressionable folks to all the flaws, that really says a lot. In a few years all the TFA fans will almost certainly hate it just like how they liked TPM at first then only started hating it months later when it became cool to do that. Maybe RLM will even make a video to let them know what their new opinion should be.
>>64508824
That could be why most of TFA went over your head. There's no exposition, just characters reacting to their environments.
>>64508707
I really liked watching TFA and I consider it to be a good movie.
The problem I'm having is:
Firstly the possible accusation of TFA being a ripoff of ANH.
Secondly the fanbase that's just sitting there circlejerking about how great the movie is and that it's a masterpiece of our time (which doesn't degrade the actual quality of the movie but still is something that takes away some of its qualities).I think deep in my heart I know that TFA is better, but I still like to shitpost. Quality wise it is superior in arguably every possible aspect, we don't need to argue about that, I guess
>>64508899
>over my head
>"tfa is deeper than you think you guiz"
I want reddit to leave
>>64508890
>TFA is losing even during the time period where the hype blinds the more impressionable folks to all the flaws,
It's actually the opposite. This is an Empire Strikes Back situation, where most people left the theater hating it, but it grew on them over time. Back when Empire came out fan were actually fucking pissed.
III>VI>IV>II>V>I>TFA
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
>>64508705
>Padme's ruminations
i love how prequel defenders can only point to this one scene in the ENTIRE trilogy because it's the only 2 minutes where the characters finally shut their mouths and it seems like something deeper is happening. it's as if Lucas briefly remembered he used to care about the art of filmmaking and made a hamfisted attempt at capturing it again.
this shot is on-screen for just a few seconds in TFA and it speaks volumes.
>>64508825
who cares about that shit
what matters is the final product, what people see on the screen
>"New Star Wars? Pft, even the prequels are better! In fact, they weren't bad at all!"
You guys are the biggest contrarian faggots on the internet.
>>64508825
So you are "CGI is always bad, practical effects are always good" type of autist, I got it
>>64508957
>speaks volumes
That shot is intsagram trash because JJ put in some kind of simulated gate weave.
It looks all faux retro.
>>64508970
its relativity anon
>>64508917
>Secondly the fanbase that's just sitting there circlejerking about how great the movie is and that it's a masterpiece of our time
This was the case in the first week after coming out, the shine has already faded away
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3zglnb/star_wars_fans_that_didnt_like_the_force_awakens/
Even /r/movies hates TFA and it's the biggest disney/marvel/blockbuster circlejerk board on the internet.
>>64508945
5 > 4 > 6 > 3
the rest is trash
>>64508966
The final product sucks because it isn't real. There's no tangibility, or unintentional accidents that come from all these elements interacting.
>>64508970
>contrarian
loving every laugh
>>64509002
>linking to reddit
/tv/ 2016
I like how a couple trolls started this forced meme about how the prequels are better and now there are people who have jumped on the bandwagon as if it's an actual opinion a functional adult could have.
Literally the worst subforum on the internet.
>>64509015
>no tangibility
le tactile autist faec
Fuck yeah, finally ROTS is first by at least a small margin. The last poll was embarrasing, all these cucks voting for Jew Jew's Marvel flick
>>64508975
TFA has a ton of CGI. Preferring real sets doesn't imply that you dislike computer generated effects.
>>64508975
>>>64508825
>"CGI is always bad, practical effects are always good" type of autist
Nothing autistic about telling the truth
>>64508589
> what was memorable about Qui-gon Jinn or Queen Amidala? how about Mace Windu?
The main characters of the prequels are Anakin, Padme, and Obi Wan. The other characters are side characters.
> even the star of the show Anakin just spends most of the time on-screen brooding and whining, only to be easily duped by the worst con ever.
He whined a lot before he married Padme because you know he was an angsty, young boy. He doesn't whine when his relationship is going well with Padme. Is their wedding scene not better then anything in TFA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVyGmiRmKs0
>>64509044
You're free to leave.
>>64509002
>other people dislike the movie therefore that's evidence of its lack of quality
Are you really using this argument?
>hurr durr da prequels were shit PlebRedditCuckia told me so! downboated everyone in this thread if you disagree you're contrarian!
>>64509089
>opinions are facts
>>64509123
no u
>>64509097
but before let me explain why you are sub human and will always be one
>>64509161
Dude what?
I was telling a TFA tourist to leave.
Is this an elaborate false flag to discredit prequel fans?
>>64509046
That's a completely legitimate opinion. Watch the chase scenes in films like Children of Men and the new Mission Impossible and compare them to Obi-Wan chasing Grievous in a Dinosaur.
>>64509058
it was 58% for ROTS at the beginning of this thread.
Then reddit joined.
>>64508993
regardless of your babby's first film class opinion i was speaking of the shot's symbolism
>>64509092
>The main characters of the prequels are Anakin, Padme, and Obi Wan. The other characters are side characters.
ok well Padme is Queen Amidala and when she became Padme she wasn't all that different. she went from monotone, boring queen to monotone, boring senator. Ewan McGregor tried his best to work with the material given to him. can't say the same for Hayden.
>Is their wedding scene not better then anything in TFA?
the problem with the wedding scene is their love story is unbelievable so their wedding has no emotional attachment. why are Anakin and Padme in love? why do they get married? is it just because they want to fuck eachother? Padme has no reason to love Anakin as a person. Anakin was nothing but a creep, a weirdo and a self-centered sociopath when he was around her. then they get married? she just ruined the career she claimed to care so much about. what a great love story.
>>64509195
>he likes Cuaron
opinion discarded
>>64509216
>he doesn't think Cuaron is a fantastic visual director
His bad writing can't even ruin his good direction
>>64509208
>babby's first film class
Put your trip back on.
>>64509207
Then people started making good arguments in favor of TFA. Just proves that no one is capable of having their own opinions.
>>64509161
>poo digimon
>faggot nigger
>chewbarebacker
>gey
>gaylord
Hilarious stuff! I came up with more:
Leia should LAMEIA, get it?
Hux could be KEK
>>64509262
don't have one but thanks for letting me know you've been #triggered
>>64509248
I beg to differ. Gravity was a ruined movie.
>>64506635
They're crap,but thats how bad TFA is. Its like a putting a fat chick next to an even fatter chick at a party.
>>64509007
3 is long as balls and still feels like they are rushing to tie everything together, meme-tastic, and has the worst dialog/acting.
Ep I basically shouldn't have been made. II and III should have been split up into three movies.
5>4>6>3>7>2>1
prove me wrong
>Protip: You can't.
>Watch Episode I in theaters
>people cheer at the opening
>completely silent until the end
>Watch TFA in the theater 16 years later
>people cheer at the opening
>they laugh at Poe Dameron's joke
>they laugh at all of Finn's jokes
>they cheer the falcon reveal
>they laugh at BB-8's thumbs up
>they cheer and laugh at C3PO's reveal
>they cheer when Rey gets the lightsaber at the end
>everyone leaves the theater excited and energetic
People comparing TPM reaction to the TFA reaction are too young to have been around for both. I'm not saying that TFA is a better movie because of this, i'm just saying that the people who argue "well people loved TPM back in the day too" are too young to be making that argument.
>>64509483
autism
>>64509518
compelling argument
>>64509477
IV > VII > the rest
There are two good Star Wars movies
>>64505303
ROTS wins simply because of
>HIGH GROUND
>>64509483
>people laugh at comedy
What's your point? E1 had no comedy, just a retard and a shit child actor.
>>64509542
>not liking V
really nigga
>>64509551
>E1 had no comedy
>this is bad
>>64509551
generally you want your audience to enjoy watching your movie, unless you hate them or something
>>64509551
Episode I had attempts at comedy that failed miserably. My point is that The Force Awakens is a much better received movie, both critically and by audiences. This doesn't automatically make it good, but the argument you often read here about TPM also being loved initially just isn't true.
>>64509542
Shitty troll.
You used to be alright, but I guess all trips are attention whores in the end.
>>64509597
>I never hated you, you always hated me
>>64509579
It's pretty good, it's not great. I have issues with how it complicates the lore, and C3PO is Jar Jar Binks tier in it.
>>64509542
TFA fans, everyone.
>>64509651
see
>>64509613
pls stop embarrassing yourself
>>64509582
yoosa already forgettin meesa?
>>64509208
> ok well Padme is Queen Amidala and when she became Padme she wasn't all that different. she went from monotone, boring queen to monotone, boring senator. Ewan McGregor tried his best to work with the material given to him. can't say the same for Hayden.
She was a queen and then a senator. She married Anakin and got pregnant with his children. She is an interesting character. I don't think she is just a boring senator.
> the problem with the wedding scene is their love story is unbelievable so their wedding has no emotional attachment.
They are both hot young adults I don't see what is so unbelievable.
> why are Anakin and Padme in love? why do they get married?
Anakin and Padme are both servants of the republic. Anakin is a jedi and she is a senator. They both meet again when Anakin is sent to protect her. Padme isn't just attracted to Anakin she feels safe around him. Relationships have been built on a lot less.
>>64509685
oh shit I did
sorry Jar Jar
Maybe weesa... being friends?
Apologize, /tv/. Look into his eyes and say that you were wrong.
>>64509613
I know in internet circles its fun to deify the original trilogy, but the notion that The Empire Strikes Back is some sort of masterpiece is a modern one, and one that started the horrible trend of "dark" being a substitute for fun. It's not a bad movie by any means, but it doesn't capture the energy of the original Star Wars, or the energy that The Force Awakens imitates and borrows from the original Star Wars.
>>64509710
I'm sorry, George.
ROTH for lore alone.
TFA is just a remake, adding almost nothing to the story. It has 30 seconds of meaning with Han Solo dying and the force dream. Episode 8 will be the true character and story test of this trilogy.
Shit Han didn't even teach MaRey Sue anything. He wanted to give her the job and se fucking said no. Obi Wan's loss to Luke in IV was far far far more meaningful.
Han's loss means the most to the fans, rather than the characters and that's why it doesn't work.
>>64509724
Yoda ESB scenes>anything else in SW.
or are you part of the new 'Yoda is retarded' contingent?
>>64509710
please come back george
im sorry
>Lucas will die in your lifetime
>>64509685
>He doesn't think racism is funny
>>64509766
No?
He bought early access to Google's developing cellular regeneration and rejuvination chamber project.
lrn2deepweb
>>64509710
Sorry George.
Save Star Wars
>>64509799
I just never saw how this was rascist
>>64509856
it's 2016
>>64509612
>the argument you often read here about TPM also being loved initially just isn't true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaa_OBkzw
Also read old imdb reviews of TPM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/reviews?filter=chrono;filter=chrono;start=3560
It's got some bad reviews, but overall reaction is quite positive.
One of the things I dislike about TFA is how it they basically wiped out the entire EU, while the prequels worked in many ways quite closely with established EU lore.
While lots of the EU is stupid shit, the "core EU" stuff is what has actually basically defined Star Wars as what it is, without the EU we wouldn't get a scene of Anakin being burnt like a kebab in Lava, without EU we wouldn't get much of the development of the Sith or basically much of the universe itself since the movies don't actually do that much worldbuilding themselves.
I get they needed to clear a lot of the EU to make their movies (TFA is in direct conflict with the incredibly popular Thrawn series) but lots of the EU world building was fantastic and things like KotoR are up there with the animated series in popularity which is strange since KotoR has been deemed non-canon despite not impacting on Disneyverse in any way.
>>64509757
Yoda was amazing, but that's the only part of the movie that stood out to me. I know the Vader reveal is a big twist that people loved (i'm too young to have seen the film in theaters so it couldn't possibly impact me in that way), but I hate it for starting the coincidental bullshit of everyone being related. It makes the universe small, and turns the force into some deterministic thing relating to genes. I also dislike how they officially turn Obi-Wan into a ghost, rather than leaving his voice in A New Hope open for interpretation.
>>64509872
Your point being?
5>4>6>3 >7>2>1
I was the first person on this entire fucking planet to say Ep3 was better than Ep7.
I made posts about it and the none of thr sheep that saw it the first day would back me up.
Nice to know people are finally coming to their fucking senses.
>>64509701
>She is an interesting character.
what is interesting about her? what interesting things does she do? i don't recall her accomplishing anything of note unless you count following Anakin around and getting knocked up.
>They are both hot young adults I don't see what is so unbelievable.
you obviously have never been in a relationship before. just because two people want to fuck doesn't mean they immediately want to get married and have kids. Padme was a senator, she clearly cared about her work in the senate. i could understand her wanting to have a fuckbuddy to relieve some stress from her job, but get married and have a kid? she turned into a fucking homemaker the second she realized she was pregnant with a guy who she barely knows except for the fact that he has a penchant for genocide and fascism.
>Anakin and Padme are both servants of the republic. Anakin is a jedi and she is a senator. They both meet again when Anakin is sent to protect her. Padme isn't just attracted to Anakin she feels safe around him. Relationships have been built on a lot less.
but Anakin openly admits to Padme he actively disagrees with her politics and supports Palpatine's dictatorship and the consequential demise of the senate, on which Padme has based her career.
while it is true that Anakin is tasked with protecting Padme, she doesn't seem all that happy about it. on two occasions Padme expresses being uncomfortable with Anakin's behavior on Coruscant. i would hardly say she feels safe around him. she never asked for him to be around, he was simply obligated to be there and she had no choice but to accept it.
when they go to Naboo suddenly she does a 180 and is constantly cockteasing Anakin. this was just inconsistent with her character and a byproduct of bad and lazy writing. there is no reason for her to suddenly love him.
>>64509804
I thought he is hoping to replace his physical body with a fully CG likeness that would go back to old photos and videos of himself and update them.
>>64509881
But the family stuff is what makes the saga good.
Even JJ is trying to steal that with not!Jacen.
I guess I'll never really understand why people put TFA above any OT film. Yeah they had flaws, but this felt like a marvel version of Star Wars. It just doesn't feel like some grand part of a large story, but some flick to lead into other flicks. It's entertaining, but it has no staying power and I seriously think people are just loving it on hype for Star Wars alone
>>64509873
This is why i'm talking about actual reactions rather than just stated ones. People did call TPM good initially, but my point is that the reaction in the cinema itself told a different story.
>>64509893
Great taste, anon
Agree 100% with your ranking
>>64509893
>i was the first person to have this trivial opinion
your trophy is in the mail
>>64509993
>but my point is that the reaction in the cinema itself told a different story.
Same with TFA.
When I saw it, people loved the first half hour, but by the end the mood was extremely deflated.
NOBODY was hyped walking out.
Reminder that KotoR and KotoR II are the best Star Wars stories and that Kreia is literally the best written character in the entire Star Wars universe.
>>64509929
I'll concede that most people like it, I'm not big on it though. Kylo Ren being related to Vader is pretty interesting, given how ancestor worship is important to Nazis, and The First Order are just space Nazis, but the character would still be interesting without that element. He could worship Vader without also being his grandson.
>>64509993
I was a kid but I do remember people hyping about in cinema
>>64510045
This is all anecdotal, of course, but my theater was different. But even loving the first half hour is more than the immediate deflation after the opening crawl.
>>64510068
I'm playing KOTOR for the first time since 2004 right now. It reminds me how much lower the standards are for videogame stories.
>>64509893
actually i posted it earlier get fucked kid
>>64510109
>But even loving the first half hour is more than the immediate deflation after the opening crawl.
I love this meme. The TFA crawl was way worse than the TPM crawl.
It was poorly worded, and went like 2x the speed of the other six crawls.
>>64508899
nice one.
>>64510045
oh ya well in my theater everyone walked out in the first 15 minutes and snuck in to Road Chip
>>64505303
Hi 4chin.
There was a show when i was a kid. There were people who would enter a challenge room with the objective of completing a challenge and getting a diamond and escaping the room in time.
If they failed, they got locked in the room and the other players could exchange one of their diamonds to free them if they wanted to.
Each diamond counted towards more time in the final chamber where the players would gather their crystals, and enter a room with money and gather as much as they could until the time ended.
Anyone know the name of this?
>>64506490
An opinion is subjective. It is both good and bad.
>>64509895
Being a Jedi is like being an NFL quarterback, a fighter polot, a star footballer and an astronaut all rolled into one. Plus he's super good looking.
Your post is invalid on that alone because
he could literally have any chick in the galaxy he wanted at any time if they were single.
>>64510151
I said after the opening crawl. But anyone who seriously believes that the wonderfully simple "Luke Skywalker has vanished." is worse than the stilted and awkward "While the congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events..." is someone I can't reconcile my views with.
>>64510235
>It is both good and bad.
That's not what subjective means.
>>64510243
>implying weird religious cultists with light-up swords were easily recognizable galactic superstars
ok
>>64510221
Crystal Maze.
>>64510281
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>64510252
>Luke Skywalker has vanished.
Luke in this flick was not the Luke of the OT.
>running and hiding
He is a proxy Ben/Yoda.
>>64510317
nigger
>>64510281
Aye, I know. I'm not good with my England.
>>64510137
KotOR is straight OT Star Wars storytelling. It plays it safe, keeps the light and dark side black and white, and delivers a satisfying but ultimately basic experience.
KotOR II: The Sith Lords is more EU tier. Basically, Star Wars written in a world that's not black an white and where EVERYONE you meet is an asshole. The narrative is layered and complex, as are the companions. The answers don't come easy, but when they come they feel earned, and the writing is solid across the board. You can also put all of your female companions in Slave Leia costumes and act like a dicklord. Your call. Shit's fucking tight either way.
>>64510333
I read in an interview with the first screenwriter of the movie that it was impossible to have both Luke and Han in the new movie without it overshadowing the new characters. Having Luke turn into Obi-Wan was probably just an easy way give Finn and Rey room.
>>64510068
pls keep your /v/ memes on /v/
>>64510456
>Having Luke turn into Obi-Wan was probably just an easy
It was lazy character ruining garbage in service of a halfhazard ANH remake.
>>64510333
I'm talking about the wording itself, not what it implies. And I see what you mean, but the decision to impose self-exile seems like something that comes from age and cynicism. It could be something that an old Luke does.
>>64510281
tell that to kanjiklub
>>64510500
How'd it ruin his character? He could have realized that he's too old to defeat Snoke, so he hid in order to wait for a strong force user who is able to defeat him to find him. Makes perfect sense.
>>64509895
>what is interesting about her?
The main things are that she is a senator and that she marries Anakin.
>what interesting things does she do?
She is a servant of the republic. As a representative of the republic she went to Geonosis with Anakin to negotiate with the Confederacy to free Obi Wan. But she got captured and war broke out. Then she married Anakin and got pregnant with him. Then she told him of her pregnancy.
>she turned into a fucking homemaker the second she realized she was pregnant with a guy who she barely knows
She didn't just barely know Anakin by the time she got pregnant. There are years between ATOC and ROTS and in that time they got to know each other very well.
> but Anakin openly admits to Padme he actively disagrees with her politics and supports Palpatine's dictatorship and the consequential demise of the senate
They both agree about politics because they are agree about the need to protect the republic from the confederacy. They even were at Geonosis together. Anakin had a vague one off statement about someone wise ruling but that was never repeated. And no one ever said anything about abolishing of the senate, that didn't even happen until years after the empire was formed at which point Padme was long gone.
> i would hardly say she feels safe around him.
There is no evidence of this. She does feel safe around him.
>>64510608
>Geonosis
>Geo nosis
>Geo gnosis
>Greek. Literally "planet knowledge"
>mfw when the Deathstar was designed on a planet called Planet Knowledge.
>>64510549
No, it is Luke being written like Yoda, when that id not who he is.
>>64509483
>people cheering while watching a movie
Does this actually happen in America?
>>64510549
>too old
literally the whole point of the force was that you could be old or small but still be powerful.
If anything, Luke close to death should be more likely to go on a suicidal confrontation, because he chooses not to abuse the force to keep himself alive.
>>64510711
shieet
>>64510752
>"I'm getting too old for this sort of thing" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Age was a major part of both Yoda and Obi-Wan's decision to avoid confronting Vader directly, which is why they waited for Luke. Luke waiting for Rey seems like the sort of thing a Jedi would do.
>>64510857
No, seems like the sort of thing Obi or Yoda would do. Luke is a bew kind of Jedi. Watch the OT.
>>64510749
It happens everywhere. There are youtube reaction videos of people cheering in theaters in Brazil, Indonesia, and Ireland.
