>Many people believe Avery is innocent and was once again wrongfully accused of a crime he didn’t commit. As a result, two separate petitions have launched asking President Obama to pardon the Wisconsin man and his nephew. So far, both petitions have a total of over 180,000 supporters.
>"Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey should be given a full pardon by President Obama for their wrongful conviction in the connection to the murder of Teresa Halbach,” a Whitehouse.org petition reads. “Based on the evidence in the Netflix documentary series ‘Making A Murderer,’ the justice system embarrassingly failed both men, completely ruining their entire lives.”
>As of Monday afternoon, the petition had close to 20,000 signatures. According to NBC Chicago, if the government petition reaches 100,000 signatures by Jan. 16 the White House has to publicly respond.
>Viewers also launched a Change.org petition, which so far has over 178,000 supporters.
so do you think he's going to be released?
>>64480860
Obama should definitely release Brendan, dude just wanted to watch Wrestlemania
But if it's a state crime, Obama has no power. Right?
Ridiculous to give him a full pardon.
Brendan they should just euthanize, it hurts to look at him he's so dumb.
why the fuck aren't they petitioning for a retrial?
>>64481001
Correct.
HE A GUD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN
>>64481049
people are stupid
there are a million other cases more deserving of a retrial yet this is the one people latch on to because of a biased documentary and they as for a fucking pardon instead of a retrial
With Internet and media pretty much a 24/7 thing. Is it possible to have an unbiased trial?
>he's innocent I know because I watched a netflix documentary
FREE MY NIGGA BRENDAN HE AIN'T DO NOTHIN
So if you buy this docs premise, then where is the theory for who really did it?
>>64482336
The ex-boyfriend
>>64482336
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steven+avery+theories+it was probably Scott & Bobby
>>64481329
>people are stupid
Yeah, you've proven it. Oh, I wonder why there are so many people RIGH now who starts the petition for THIS guy and not for some other mistreated offence. Hmmm, dang it, only if I could know why...hmmmm.
>>64481428
You're saying they lied to us? Don't you think someone would've made a documentary about that?
>>64482493
i said the reason in my post you idiot
the point, which you seem to have completely missed, is that people only seem to interested in miscarriages of justice when there is a circus and show telling them to be.
>>64482623
>People only care about things they know about
Nice insight dipshit. That's why we invented media in the first place.
>>64481428
You should post that pic on /pol/.
It was definitely Bobby and Scott
Most of what Bobby described happening(her being chained down, throat slit) all happened just not on Steve Averys property
Bobby probably played a ton of violent video games
Bet if they had searched Scott's residence they would have found more shit
>>64480860
I think the documentary had a pretty clear agenda of its own. But one thing is certain, Ken Kratz is the most punchable human being on planet earth.
>>64482493
This is a facebook tier post.
>>64482782
Why?
>>64480860
I think he was involved somehow, even if he didn't know it because its borderline retarded
the cops and judges decided (given history and social circle) it was only a matter of time before he committed some kind of violent crime and put him away before it could happen.
Don't associate with white trash or niggers kids
>>64482787
their only alibis were each other, which the bus driver BTFO
they lived right next door, easy to plant bones in fire place and had access to his car lot
their stories didn't really make sense and they were sketchy as fuck
the both had a history of sexual and physical violence
the lied about what time they seen the girlreddit dug up alot of dirt on them, I'm too lazy to link though
>>64482712
>still missing the point
there's nothing wrong with bringing attention to the case obviously but when it's done the way this documentary did it (blatantly biased, just in the other direction) just to capture the minds of the public i take issue with it.
people are asking for a pardon because the documentary painted such a skewed picture.
>your state constantly known for killers and crazy people
>>64482839
thank you :)
>>64482787
Sorry most of what Brendan said happened not Bobby
>>64483231
and alot of what Brendan said didn't happen
everything he claimed to have happened he said AFTER the detectives constantly told him to confess it. He never mentioned shooting her until the detective did. He also contradicts himself a hell of a lot
I'm so fucking sorry for Brendan. He's dumb like a turkey but shit, he seems like he wouldn't hurt a fly. Poor guy probably don't even hate the guys who put him in jail - Kratz, Fassbender, Kachinski...I just want him to be happy, playing PS and nintendo.
>P.S.: My mom and I think that you are a really nice judge.
>He likes the same animal as me
;_;
>>64482787
Owned the same murder weapon. tried to sell it immediately after.
Alibis for each other
Scratches on his back
Washing his clothes
Telling his mates he accidentally got blood on his clothes
and they weren't even investigated
>>64483581
So what details in this book actually match his confession
>>64483499
What was Brendan's very first statement to the police and why did he make it?
>tfw bill burr endorsed the petition on his podcast
JUSTice for stevie
>>64483630
>I believe it was called Kiss The Girls
never seen a more scripted line in my life. No way he even heard of the book before his lawyers told him about it.
More recommended documentary series like
>Making a Murderer
>The Jinx
>Paradise Lost
please. Thanks.
>>64483656
they investigated him for things his cousin said he confessed to her, which later turned out to be fake
they boy has an IQ of a rock. He probably believed the detectives would let him go if he just told them what they wanted to hear. He doesn't admit to anything initially, he admits to things after the detectives constantly tell him "come on just tell us "fill in the black", thats all we wanna hear then you can go". Even then you can tell he's being coached by them, it's ridiculous
>>64480860
If they killed her on the bed, which is what Brendan was accused of, why is there no blood in the bedroom? She would bleed like a pig if he seriously did all the cutting and slashing - carpet, wall, bed, matress. Not to mention that they would need to drag the body out, I don't know if she was dead at this point but if she was, then why would they shoot her again in the garage? If she wasn't than there would be a fucking river of blood going from the bedroom all the way to the garage. There's no way you could clean all this up, not to mention the cleaning of the garage, all the rusty, nasty shit...the series is biased as fuck but this you can't deny.
>>64480860
I wonder if anyone will ever make a documentary about her.... I guess with Steve Avery more than people believing he's innocent , people think the system failed him (it should've been a mistrial, reasonable doubt, the nephew shouldn't have been trialed and so on). But then again when someone goes free because of the system (pic related, or OJ for example) people will claim they should rot in jail..
Truth is , people don't really care about the legal system until they're in the spotlight, they just enjoy having an opinion about it.
>>64483886
not even a single hair found in his trailer. It was messy as fuck in there, there is absolutely no way he cleaned every spec of blood and picked up every strand of hair
>>64483791
Here's a list I have saved. Dunno which ones are worth watching
Into the Abyss (2011 Documentary)
The Trials of Darryl Hunt (2006)
The Imposter (2012)
Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008 Documentary)
Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (1996 Documentary)
Murder on a Sunday Morning (2001 Documentary)
The Thin Blue Line (1988 Documentary)
An Unreal Dream: The Michael Morton Story (2013 Documentary)
Soaked in Bleach (2015 Documentary)
Crime After Crime (2011 Documentary)
3½ Minutes, Ten Bullets (2015 Documentary)
Kids for Cash (2013 Documentary)
The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst (2015) (TV Mini-Series)
There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane (2011)
Death on the Staircase (2004)
Incendiary: The Willingham Case, a 2011 documentary
The Confessions | FRONTLINE | PBS (Norfolk Four case)
The Central Park Five (2012)
West of Memphis (2012)
Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles (2011)
Capturing the Friedmans (2003)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room (2005)
Cropsey (2009)
The Confession of Michael Crowe (youtube)
THE ICEMAN TAPES (1992)
JUST, MELVIN: JUST EVIL (2000)
Shenandoah (2012)
Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer (2010)
>>64482830
No, he's the prize.
If he was a movie character everybody would love him. Literally narcissistic, addicted to pills, sexting the women he's supposed to defend, taking pleasure in ruining lives, that fucking voice... would make a great character piece.
Too bad he's real which makes him disgusting.
>>64482463
>Scott
>his face when Brendan's verdict is read
>>64484145
Thanks Pablo.
What was her deal?
>>64480860
I'm not watching this, can someone summarize the situation?
>>64482830
>Ken Kratz is the most punchable human being on planet earth.
>>64484331
>man pisses off sheriffs wife
>gets convicted of a rape he never committed. Serves 18 years in prison
>gets out, sues to state, or police, I don't remember
>a year later he gets charged with murder
>no evidence whatsoever
>police get his retard nephew to "confess" to things that simply don't make sense
>both get life
Who's the sexy journalist with the glasses? Tbqhf, this is a pretty open and shut case. It's obvious that Steven did it. The Jinx was much better. I'm only still watching to get to the Wrestlemania part.
>>64484454
>no evidence whatsoever
Sure thing buddy.
>>64484331
hedindu nuffin
>>64484454
sounds like they did it. case dismissed.
>>64484331
> Steven Avery is a white trash scumbag with a low IQ who is hated by his community and has done shit like setting cats on fire and running his cousin off the road rots in jail for 18 years wrongfully (rape)
> his family knew for a fact he didn't do it because he spent the day of the crime with them, write to every organization possible, have his case picked up and he is set free
> 2(?) years later
> he's jailed again because he supposedly raped and killed some chick, together with his 16yo nephew who is a literal tard, pic related
> trial is super unfair and fishy, looks like evidence was planted (for example the fucking car keys of the victim just lying around on the floor of his house(if you can call it that)
> body wasn't even found (just parts) so what supposedly happened to her (raped, hair cut off, throat cut, stabbed; her being shot however is proven) can't even be verified
> relies mostly on the testimony of the 16year old tard which was clearly mostly coerced
Whethey they were guilty or not, their trials weren't fair at all and that's pretty sad and embarrassing.
>>64484508
what is some of the evidence? two retards definitely raped, shot then slit a girls throat but picked up their clusterfuck trailer with CSI precision, yet were dumb enough to leave her bones 10 feet from the crime scenethey probably deleted the voicemails too ;^)
>>64484503
> tfw I missed the Wrestlemania part
Can some anon who doesn't have netflix and torrented it make a youtube vid with the highlights or something
> that girl who was killed by the alligator
> yeah
> yeah
> I believe it was called kiss the girls
> I dunno
>because I'm stupid mom
>>64484322
>attention seeking behavior
>land whale
>F E M A L E
anon, you know this. twenty bucks she has a tumblr.
>>64484322
since it seems that they really did it, my guess is family convinced her to lie in the court
>>64484684
gut wrenching
>>64484716
>it seems that they really did it
wot
>>64484503
>Who's the sexy journalist with the glasses?
the best part of the show.
I also find it funny that the reporters at press conferences seemed like the smartest and most competent people in wisconsin. I can't believe that the coverage was so shit, because they consistently asked the right questions at conferences and seemed really smart
>>64484684
That phone convo was really rough
>>64484716
You would think that a chicken like this would lie under an oath? She just crumbled down like a little piece she is.
I don't know why Brandon cried though, maybe he was just sad about it all, police everywhere, uncle Steve is away again, girlfriend broke up with me, guys in class call me fat...
>"Yeah I was trying to lose weight 'cause I think my gf broke up with my 'cause she thought I was fat."
;_;
>>64484503
Angenette Levy
>>64484684
the phone conversations really got to me
>>64484833
>Brandon Dassey had a girlfriend before I did
should I just kill myself?
>>64484764
They were probably newspaper journalists, not just from Wisconsin. They didn't show us any newspaper articles.
>>64484749
I think he means Scott and Bobby. That's the theory of the day.
Tune in tomorrow when we're back to blaming the brother
>>64484503
When does the Jinx get to the juicy parts where Durst shows his true colours?
On ep 3 and I find it pretty boring though I guess the context they're providing will be important at some point.
>>64484454
D E A N
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>>64484921
He probably just thought that she was his his gf but still. Brendan's life is just fucking sad.
Some evidence the film left out:
— In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
— Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
— On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.
— The bullet with Halbach’s DNA on it came from Avery’s gun, which always hung above his bed.
— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).
— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.
>>64484953
who the fuck are scott and bobby
>>64484843
She hasn't aged that well. :(
>>64481049
Because he's obviously not guilty?
>>64485048
He's guilty, just not the way the trial proceedings would make you think.
>>64485012
Maybe you should watch it before you post
and that cockhead Michael O'Kelly who was suppose to be on Brendans side and was FORCING him to draw shit that was later going to be used against him.
Everything he wrote originally in that statement was the same story he stuck with the whole time. Got home, gaemed sum ps2, got a call, went to his uncles for a fire then went to bed. NONONO now you have to draw yourself double fistfucking the victim
>>64485048
Are you really this gullible? This documentary left out some pretty material facts. If you did some outside research, you'd see that it's almost certain that he did it.
>>64485084
If being a retard were a crime, anon, you'd be in for life.
>>64485000
This
The letters he wrote from jail to Jodi are disturbing as fuck, too.
As dumb as Brendon might be there is absolutely zero reason to confess or make up stories if he was 100% innocent.
>>64485123
>the documentary didn't leave out anything material
>there is clear reasonable doubt
If you want to talk more about material facts, you can present it when the real killers are on trial.
>>64485186
There's certainly reasonable doubt. He still killed her though.
>>64485177
he also burned the cat on purpose and it was not an accident
>daddy wil git mum
His spelling mistakes were hilarious.
>>64480860
>so do you think he's going to be released?
President can only pardon federal criminals.
>>64485177
>there is absolutely zero reason to confess or make up stories if he was 100% innocent.
He's dumb and just wanted to go home. The two detectives convinced him that if he told them what they wanted to hear he'd be fine. All the details he talks about were fed to him by the detectives when they got frustrated. Plus his only consistent story is the one in which he has nothing to do with it. All the multiple other versions of events are full of contradictions.
>>64485177
>The letters he wrote from jail to Jodi are disturbing as fuck, too.
Link please?
>>64480860
>some new dumb american normie meme thing
oh gee thanks for the thread OP wouldn't know what i would do without knowing about some netflix or whatever flick
>>64480860
By no means should he had a full pardon, he should at most be put under house arrest while a retrial and re-investigation happens
>>64485435
You could always ignore threads that trigger you so much anon.
I bet Brendan would have used 4chan. He's at the right IQ level for it.
The fact that 200,000 people signed a petition for his pardoning shows how gullible people really are.
>>64485435
thank you for taking the time out of your day to reply to the thread that triggers you
>>64485177
Wow, are you really this uninformed? Dumb people confess to shit they didn't do all the fucking time. Look at the most famous case, the west Memphis three from Paradise Lost.
>>64485534
It's a typical red-pill reaction. Ironically most of the people who signed the petition probably only heard of Avery from the documentary and did no further research after watching it.
>>64485530
He probably wouldn't be able to solve captcha senpai.
So is something going to happen now?
Obviously Obama won't pardon him or any bullshit like that but since the public demands it, is it possible to reopen the case and give them a proper trial (in which tardboy would probably be found due to lack of evidence and Steven would still be convicted)?
>>64485534
>gullible
He had 7 votes "innocent" and 3 votes "guilty" at the beginning of jury trial in 2005.
>>64485534
kratz pls
>>64485715
not to mention the excuses juror even said the jury was biased
>>64485769
*excused juror
>>64485769
T I n f o I l
Do people care so much about his mistreatment because he's white? I mean, if the documentary was about a black guy who went through the same shit, nobody would care, especially here.
>>64485389
Wasn't he sending letters to his kids about how he was going to kill their mother?
He's a sick cunt who thought he was invincible because he was wrongly jailed in the past. Police being corrupt only sped up his conviction.
>>64485835
black people are never innocent
NEVER
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>>64485835
>playing the race card for no reason
fuck off
>>64485835
The problem is, the police fucked up big time even though Steve at least is guilty as fuck.
The Netflix doc leaves most questions open, doesn't show all found evidence, leaves out details and is cut in a way that fucks with the actual timline so the viewer has more to question about
Only bluepilled Redditors think he is innocent.
>>64484145
Of these I have seen, I would definitely say that West of Memphis, The central park five, and Shenandoa, they are all the most interesting and not always about innocent guys.
Enron: the smartest guys in the room isn't bad, but it is all pretty financial and I wasn't really into all this industry talk. I was also really high when I watched it though so idk
Is this series like the new Food Inc. or some Michael Moore abortion, an agritprop "documentary" which tells liberals what they want to hear, and gives them something to be self righteous about? I'm all for true crime stories, but people clamoring for some dude to get out of prison based on a tv show sounds a bit naive. Not going to waste my time watching this.
>>64480860
Some people choose security over liberty, we often see this in the united states. They'd rather have an innocent man behind bars as long as they can be sure a murderer is not walking the streets.
>>64486005
I loved it and I think he's guilty. Well worth watching
>>64486005
regardless if you believe the story as it's presented, it's a neat look at how criminal prosecution generally works
>>64485973
Enron is very biased and simplified.
>>64485835
Actually this doc made me sympathise with blacks a little more.
Imagine being some black thug and getting jailed for something you (this time) didn't do just because you're black.
Avery got the same treatment because the community hated him and he had a record when he was convicted of both the false rape and the murder (which he probably did) later.
>>64485973
Enron is incredibly overrated. Maybe it's because I'm an accounting major and I'm just sick of hearing about it. The entire freshman class had to watch it at my college during the first week of classes.
>>64484145
> JUST, MELVIN: JUST EVIL
What is this? My meme senses are tingling.
>>64486005
It's pretty entertaining, gets real memey towards the end.
>>64485000
> In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
She was the photographer for the area
>— Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
he wore a towel? well then clearly he killed her
>
— On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.
She was coming to his property to photograph the car, of course he called her. He'd also been in prison for 18 years for a crime he didn't commit so maybe provacy was something important to him
>— The bullet with Halbach’s DNA on it came from Avery’s gun, which always hung above his bed.
Oh yeah, the bullet found in the garage where no other evidence of absolutely anything, DNA, physical or otherwise, was found
>— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).
This one is slightly odd, I'll grant you that. But I own handcuffs, doesn't mean I've killed anyone
>In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard etc...
All of the DNA evidence gets thrown into doubt when you see that there was not a single fingerprint on the car, no DNA in the bedroom or garage, none of Teresa's DNA on the key
>/tv/ - litigation and legal discussion
Doesn't matter if they're guilty or not. The investigations were such immense fuck-ups and a lot of the evidence provided by the police department should have been inadmissible simply because they were at places they didn't belong no?
>>64486384
¨kek
>>64485000
NICE SOURCE
>>64486414
if OJ simpson can get off because the M.E. mishandled evidence how come this dude cant get off?
Also if anyone lives in Wisconsin jesus christ get the fuck out of that state, I cant believe Brendan's mum was as dumb as he was and no one put that into question. The judges were really fucked up since they were on the same tier as Brendan's attorney in terms of obviously batting for the defense.
Yeah; Im at the point where if Steve Avery killed this woman the miscarriage of justice from my POV says that he should still fucking walk.
>>64486357
he was also used to working with her, people tend to prefer working with people they know and have previously worked with. Which is why he probably he asked for her
they never explained the deleted voicemails though or even elaborate on why they might have been deleted. It definitely wasn't Steven who deleted them. Didn't the brother say he deleted them? cause he guessed her password or something?
>that awkward video where shes saying she loves her parents and her sisters............oh and her brother
>>64485000
F: OK, what else did he do, he did somethin' else, you need to tell us what he did, after that car is parked there. It's extremely important. (pause) Before you guys leave that car.
B: The he left the gun in the car.
F: That's not what I'm thinkin' about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he, I believe he did something else in that car. (pause).
B: I don't know.
F: OK. Did he, did he, did he go and look at the engine, did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to the car?
B: Yeah.
F: What was that? (pause)
W: What did he do, Brendan?
W: It's OK, what did he do?
F: What did he do under the hood, if that's what he did? (pause)
B: I don't know what he did, but I know he went under.
F: He did raise the hood? (Brendan nods "yes") You remember that?
B: Yeah.
>>64486502
Because he has an IQ of 70 and a public defender.
>>64486529
the brother and ex boyfriend said they accessed her voicemail (by guessing the password) but didn't delete the messages
>>64486140
Sounds pretty good
>Just, Melvin: Just Evil is a 2000 American documentary by James Ronald Whitney about his grandfather, Melvin Just, and the devastating consequences of the sexual abuse Just inflicted on their family. It premiered at the 2000 Sundance Film Festival and aired on HBO on April 22, 2001. The film was well received overall; critic Roger Ebert called Just, Melvin "one of the most powerful documentaries I've seen.
>>64486414
And even if the department just humpty dumptied their way into that colossal mess, should such a department be responsible for conducting minor violations let alone a homicide or rape investigation.
You can twist a story as much as you like but you can't dance around the stupidity of everyone responsible at manitowoc police department.
>>64486596
>B: The he left the gun in the car.
>F: That's not what I'm thinkin' about
Top kek he was literally fucking guessing.
>IQ of 73
>illegally detained multiple times as a minor without his mother and without a lawyer
>clearly led by investigators in his answers
How the fuck is his confession admissible?
>>64486669
Aw, this sounds awful.
Truly a man deserving of the name JUST.
>>64486693
murica
>>64486693
Imagine being that guys lawyer, fucking hell.
>>64486861
oh hey
yes, my client is guilty your honor. I rest my case
>>64486893
>>64486893
kek. Why do I already feel like rewatching this? Just finished it yesterday but it's just so bizarre.
Everyone in this documentary had a bad jawline. I notice every jawline since I learned that it's the key determinant of attractiveness.
>>64486502
Because Fame, If O.J. wasn't famous, he'd be in jail right now. If O.J. drove a bus, he wouldn't even be O.J. He'd be Orenthal the Bus Driving Murderer.
>>64486893
Cast for a biopic:
- Len Kachinsky: William H. Macy
- Brendan Dassey: The kid from Bad Santa
- Ken Kratz: Tom Cruise in a fat suit ala Tropic Thunder
>>64487014
What if he took the fall for someone else's crimes and is actually brO.J.?
>Fucking amateurs
>>64487037
Hey now. Brendan has already been cast, see >>64485702 .
Also have Mike in Mr Plinkett getup starring as Steve Avery's dad, he sounded just like Plinkett it was crazy.
>>64487014
>he'd be in jail right now
he is tho
I'm about a three hour drive from Manitowoc. Should I go firebomb the police department?
>>64487037
Tom Hardy as young Avery
Davos as old Avery
>>64487244
You mean start a bombfire?
>>64487244
no. break steve and brendan out
>>64487037
Oh also that woman who played his mother on Shameless in S1 as Steven's mom.
>>64485000
>source: Kratz & reddit
>>64485000
>Source: A D.A. who was proven to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and wanted a conviction at any cost
>>64484399
I fucking hate that limp-wristed faggot.
One thing bothers me
Why was Teresa's background not investigated? The stalker? That's a big clue for the police AND Steven
And how exactly did the car end up where it did? Why there?I know about the German guy too.
But what REALLY troubles me is Brendan for this reason: he was manipulated by the cops. He was bothered by something before he got arrested. My theory and I hope I'm wrong:
>Cops were trying to fuck Avery and Avery was suing them
>Avery wanted to up the ante on the cops and used Brendan to commit rape and murder. He was suggestible and dumb but well-to-do and damn learning disabled.
>Teresa was actually kidnapped and raped and murdered by Avery and Brendan and Steven, as low IQ as he was, wanted to extract his anger while he was at it all. But he did not rape or kill her so he had plausible deniability
>"I didn't do nutin!"
Whole thing is fucked up and honestly there needs to be a serious investigation in the whole judicial system and police force. What happened in the 80s should NEVER have happened.
Is such a thing impossible?
What would the motion picture be called?
>>64487473
Wisconsin is Fucked
>>64481001
The president can't pardon a state crime. He's constitutionally limited to pardoning federal crimes.
The only person who can pardon the two is Gov. Scott Walker, a fairly hardcore conservative Republican. The chance of that happening is virtually zero as long as Walker is in office.
>>64486140
It's a doc about a white trash family with a murderous kid-diddler dad and alcoholic mother and how they ruined their children's lives by being horrible subhumans. It was directed by the guy's grandson; his mom was the only one that managed to make it in life despite suicide attempts. It's worth watching.
The full transcript of Brendan's confession to Len's investigator. It's a bit different then what's shown in the documentary and at last we get an answer to what's the deal with the blue ribbon.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ej65jscjwgcpqtc/Transcript%20-%2005-12-2006%20-%20Dassey%20and%20O'Kelly.pdf?dl=0
>>64487641
A small highlight from that conversation
MOK: How many times have you thought about committing suicide?
BD: Never.
MOK: What about hanging in the garage? One of your friends told me that you did, that you were thinking about committing suicide. What did you tell them?
BD: [shakes head no] Maybe I was talking to my friend about his future job. Because he wanted to be a suicide bomber.
MOK: And who's that?
BD: Travis.
MOK: And who is he going to suicide bomb? BD: I don't know. He said that was one of his careers that he wanted to do.
>Steven Avery is released and appears as a guest on Red Letter Media's Best of the Worst
Two transcripts from phone calls between Brendan and his mom
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20(Dassey%20to%20Mother).pdf?dl=0
>>64483190
>Ed Gein-1957
>Jeffrey Dahmer-1991
>Steve Avery-2005
constantly?
>>64484520
Underrated post
Everybody sounds like they live in Fargo. Especially Brendan on the phone.
>>64487472
It's a mystery in a riddle.
Who gains and who loses right now?
>>64487716
>standard American education
>>64487244
Yes.
>>64486357
>> In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
>— Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
GUILTY
There is no fucking way the cops could have made this. Avery had 18 years of his life taken away and was in "Fuck everything" mode living on the outside. Calling specifically for Halbach several times? The guy didnt get laid for 18 years and wanted to have sex with her, so he kills her so there is no one to testify against him, then used the "THE COPS ARE DOING IT AGAIN" bullshit defense.
Guilty as fuck.
>>64487961
You guys think he's somewhat content in jail? Does he have nice mates and a TV there?
Do you think the judge was on the Manitowoc bribery payroll? He was unusually harsh.
>>64484255
Checked
> "scores": {
"anger": 0.000008716546,
"contempt": 0.00008074172,
"disgust": 0.0000100588759,
"fear": 0.0000206921341,
"happiness": 0.979814231,
"neutral": 0.018569896,
"sadness": 0.00132156513,
"surprise": 0.00017
drinking and mobile
>>64488083
he probably accidentally slights other inmates because he's retarded and doesn't get social cues so they beat the fuck out of him regularly
>>64481121
Does not apply
The retard cracked the case and nobody noticed
BD: [long silence] I could have a reason why he could have did it.
MOK: Go ahead.
BD: That I think he wanted to do it because like maybe he wanted to go back to jail.
I think it was Kiss the Girls
>>64480860
This may work for the Dassey kid but Avery really fucking needs proof that there was EDTA in the RAV4 blood stains to stand even the slightest chance of being released/pardoned
>>64488083
when he said he lost weight because he was being teased...
I hope he's okay. I don't think he could hurt a fly.
People may be impressed by his new notoriety. Maybe look out for him.
>>64487037
dustin hofmann as based dean strang
>>64488192
P. witty
>>64487979
That's more like a "yooper" accent. I dont know the spelling.
Its the UP down to Sheboygan Co..
>>64487244
"yeah"
>>64487244
If you do, the police will find evidence that Avery did it and tack years onto his sentence.
>>64485435
*tips hat*
M' lady.
Desu Senpai.
TBQHFAM
Here's your reply.
Did I miss anything?
>>64483581
>Fassbender
What does Magneto have to do with it?
>>64488436
keine ahnung
Anyone think Brendan tells the truth in the O'Kelly interview? Once he starts talking he tell the story on his own. O'Kelly guides him with his questions but he doesn't put ideas in Brendan's head.
What if someone makes a convincing documentary showing the Netflix documentary was heavily biased?
>>64488147
>>64488083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8A85cl5w3s
He's probably ended up like this guy.
>>64488128
What's this?
>>64487716
my sides
>>64487716
Brendandid nothing wrong
Really though.
>>64488545
Because he thought the police liked the story, so he thought that he'd like this story too. He heard it so many times after that, that it got stucked in his head. That's all.
I haven't seen the show yet, but reading all the speculation and people talking about shit they likely have no clue about -such as evidence collection and DNA - makes me think of 9/11 truthers back in the day.
A miscarriage of justice is scary, to be sure, but even more scary is a mob of people galvonized by what they saw in a fucking Netflix TV show. I mean really. Let's all stop and think here.
The Halbach trials and evidence produced were literally the opposite of how the justice system is supposed to work. Never mind that all of the evidence against Steven and Brendan was systematically falsified. Pretty much every scientific mind who was not tied to law enforcement said "yeah, this is looking like a frame-up".
>>64488827
Trust me just watch.
The police were scumbags for sure.But I think Avery did do it
>>64488827
How about actually watching the doc before coming up with that opinion?
>>64487473
Everyone Is Clinically Retarded In Wisconsin.
>>64487473
Bombfire.
>>64488929
Because my opinion is not based on the quality of the show but on everyone on the internet talking like experts about a case they of through a likely biased television show. Produced by Netflix.
>>64489063
Most people came to the conclusion that at least Avery probably did it though.
It's about the way the trial went down which is sketchy at least and how Brendan's rights were violated.
people go nuts for the reporter but steven's fiancee jodi had a huge rack
anyone else notice?
>>64489781
I kept wondering if she had a hairy bush down there.
Teresa's brother was such a faggot
For the record I think he's guilty but didn't in any way have a fair trial.
>>64490047
He definitely had something to do with the murder.
>>64488644
Project Oxford
>>64490047
>>64490105
"I LOVE THE COPS!"
>>64483726
that's what I was thinking. He really should have just said he got the ideas because the interrogators brought them up first. It was so obvious that he had never read this book.
Anyone got a webm of after the verdict in Stevens trial/sentencing where Colborn puts him in the cop car and shuts the door?
>>64483888
People think her and OJ should rot in jail because many people believe they actually murdered someone and got away with it.
People want murderers in jail and innocent prisoners freed, it's not that hard.
>>64489035
>>64487473
>>64487275
>>64487037
Bombfire - by Joel & Ethan Coen
Steven - ??? (Phillip Seymour Hoffman, how could you die…? Would be so perfect…)
Brendan - Classic Dano, of course
Ken "The Prize" Kratz - Meryl Streep
Dean Strang - Dustin Hoffman
Jerry Buting - Tim Robbins
Jim Lenk - Billy Bob Thornton
Andy Colborn - Peter Stormare
>Len Kachinsky: William H. Macy
perfect
>>64491218
> Ken "The Prize" Kratz - Meryl Streep
Kek.
We need some chubby qt for Kayla and somebody for the brother and ex bf of Theresa as well.
>>64491218
Brie Larson for Brendan's mom
Who else /hate this cunt/ here?
>>64491472
Everyone
Joseph Gordon-levitt as Mike Halbach?
>>64491472
Only guy I hated more was "MUH BLUE RIBBON"
>>64491468
>Brie Larson for Brendan's mom
Way too cute. Based Tilda, perhaps. But maybe she would be better as Jodi. She would nail any part, even the male ones.
>>64491593
>mfw I see the blue ribbon
>>64491537
fucking faggot just wants to see someone behind the bars for what happened to his sister no matter if they did or not
And he is always so happy when speaking to the media fuck him.
>>64491593
I'm currently watching episode 9 though no idea what are you on about
>>64491800
it's in episode 10
you'll see, it's pretty funny
So the ex bf, roommate, and brother totally raped and killed her right?
>>64491774
>>64491800
You'll know when you get there
I may be tard-level but hear me out:
When I heard of the doc I thought "great, something about disgusting inbred white trash" and that notion was strengthened by seeing that stuff about the cat and the sick fucking letters SA wrote his ex-wife and kids from prison at the beginning.
And at the end of the documentary, I am very inclined to believe that he did rape and kill TH, although that whole trial was a travesty of course.
However, I can't bring myself to think of him as just some disgusting rapist anymore, at least not exclusively. He is more than that. The joy he felt when being released the first time round, his love-filled conversations with his gf on the phone, him being cheerful and that interview with him holding the baby... made him seem so normal. Hard to believe that same guy has done all the horrible shit I listed above.
Not like this was a simple murder, it was a horrible crime (if it happened the way Brendan said with them raping and then mutilating her before shooting her) involving very, very much suffering on the victim's part.
I guess I just can't wrap my head around being able to do something like that to another human being.
Not sure what I'm trying to say here but at the end of a day seems like even monsters have two sides, especially considering the severity of this crime. Not like they weren't empathetic IRL and towards their families but somehow that was completely turned off considering the victim? Fucking how?
This sounds like a simple conclusion and something that has been obvious before but this is the first time I've watched that kind of documentary and I've never really reflected much on this topic, can't put my thoughts into complexer words right now. It's pretty terrifying.
>>64491942
tl;dr whaddayaknow, people change in 18 years
I just have to say, there's something under the surface that isn't being said - the Avery's are polygamist etc etc
It explains so much - the neanderthal brains, the non moving facial features, the "family closeness" , the hatred of pretty much everybody in that town who isn't an Avery, there's something definitely up there
>>64492008
How'd he change? The cat burning shit was before he ever went to prison.
Not saying it's the same level as imprisoning a women and getting your nephew to help abuse and kill her but clearly those tendencies were there before.
Heard reports I can't source and that were pretty flimsy of him telling prison inmates he fantasized about building some sort of rape-torture-chamber when he was out though but I guess that's unconfirmed.
Brendan's first lawyer may have been an asshole but he was kinda right with his course of action.
Brendan should've pled guilty and gotten out early on parole instead of now being stuck until 2048. Why did the second lawyer not try this, were Brendan and family too dumb to understand they didn't have a chance?
>>64492073
they're a one branch family tree, confirmed by Michael "muh ribbon" O'Kelly
>>64491800
When I try to put myself in Mike's shoes, I get even more pissed with him. If my sister was murdered, I would try to the end to extract some meaning of that. If there was a chance that she did not died by the whim of a stupid redneck, I would clung into that. I would seek the truth, no matter what.
&
Who could play Investigator Blue Ribbon? Is there someone who remembers his name? It was kinda irish, if I recall.
>>64492160
his first lawyer was working with the prosecution, are you being serious right now anon?
were you dropped on the head as a baby?
>>64492160
>Brendan's first lawyer may have been an asshole but he was kinda right with his course of action.
How? There's zero evidence connecting Brendan to the scene of the crime and the lack of blood in the bedroom proved that his "confession" about slitting Terry's throat was bullshit. Any decent lawyer could have gotten Brendan off the hook
>>64492272
>Brendan should've pled guilty and gotten out early on parole instead of now being stuck until 2048. Why did the second lawyer not try this as well?
>>64484399
>>64484243
Both these fuckers should be executed.
>>64491942
Psychos are very good at looking sympathetic, anon. It's their full-time occupation.
(not diagnosing Steven, tho)
>>64492320
But he didn't have access to a decent lawyer.
Shouldn't the new one have realized quickly that he was in over his head and there was no chance Brendan would walk? Or was there a good chance and him being found guilty was some huge surprise?
Yes the first lawyer was a crook BUT ironically, in the end Brendan would've fared better if he had stuck with him or at least pled guilty with the new lawyer, regardless of innocence, in order to get out of jail earlier.
Now he's stuck there forever with no chance.
>>64487473
Wrestlemania Lost
>>64492392
Even if they have such a low IQ?
Was the judge involved in the conspiracy? He pretty much denied every reasonable motion put forward by the prosecution.
>>64484843
>so that should answer your question
what a dumb bitch he asked her opinion and she didn't fucking answer.
>>64492323
>>64492320
I saw one interview with Based Strang, and when they ask him about Brendan, we can see in his face "I coud have freed him…"
How wasn't Brendan's first lawyer not disbarred?
>>64483888
How is she not in jail please tell me how if she didn't kill caylee who did the evidence was all there and yet she is free I'm literally shaking right now.
>>64492397
>there was no chance Brendan would walk?
Again, there is not a single bit of evidence connecting Brendan to the scene of the crime. All the prosecution had was a confession in which there is video evidence that he was pushed into making that confession. There's also proof that the kid is a fucking moron since he has to take special ed courses.
There was indeed a chance for Brendan to walk but bias got in the way of that
>>64492397
>>64492160
Can anybody answer this question?
Obviously without Brendan's bullshit statement he gave Fassbender and the other cop and without the first lawyer making him testify again and having him draw pictures and shit, there would've been no case.
However, now the the damage has been done already and there's no taking it back (obviously nobody believed Brendan when he was on the stand and revoked his statements), why not plead guilty?
>>64492653
I don't know, seems like too big a gamble. Then again I'm not a professional so what do I know.
>>64492662
if he had a good lawyer in the first place he probably wouldn't of even been in that mess. His first jew lawyer and his cuckbuddy did nothing but make things worst for him.
>>64492427
Kek
>>64492435
IQ has nothing to do with it. It's an empathy matter. Smarter psychos will conceal themselves in more sophisticated ways, that is all. The disregard for other people's feelings remains the same.
>>64492482
She can't point fingers, anon. It would be unethical of hers to do so. But she point the trail… The doc is on the web. Lokk for it. It is worth the read.
>>64492466
Don't believe so. He just thought Steven was plain guilty, as averyone else.
Anyone made a new thread yet? This one is reaching.
>>64492637
Who exactly is this, Casey Anthony, the woman that killed her baby or something?
How did she afford good lawyers, donations or was she wealthy or what?
what happened to Ken "don't criticize the prize" Kratz after the sexting scandal?
>>64492786
he resigned
This story reminds me of shady shit that's happened in my city.
Anyone who likes reading about corruption like this should read Mean Justice by Edward Humes, it's about my city.
http://www.amazon.com/Mean-Justice-Terror-Prosecuters-Betrayak/dp/1476702675
>>64492771
Orange county fucked up by rushing the trial and also her lawyer jose baez or some shit became hugely successful cuz he did a good job for an unknown guy from kissimmee.
I live in orlando where it all went down, good times
