Are these two masterpieces the best examples of true kinography in 2015?
Both made by ageing auteurs (both are 72), who have decided to tell their stories purely through moving images and sounds, experimenting with editing and new technologies with more freshness and energy than any 20-to-40yo filmmaker.
It is quote obvious they are both followers of Bresson and his essay on Le Cinématographe, his fondness of gestures, and have perhaps surpassed him.
>>64444464
There is another.
>>64444464
I haven't seen Knight of Cups yet but Blackhat is a solid example of kino
>>64444528
no movies or flicks, please, this includes hipster nihilist trash like PTA, post-ironic memes like Korine etc. This also includes the Tim & Eric & associates crew, Kaufman, etc.
>comparing pleb action flick to Malick
>>64444464
Nice meme.
>Bresson
They are nothing like Bresson.
>>64444464
>people think they are being clever saying kino
>it literally just means cinema
I laugh everytime.
>>64444734
Please educate yourself, Star Wars tourist
>>64444464
>It is quote obvious they are both followers of Bresson and his essay on Le Cinématographe, his fondness of gestures, and have perhaps surpassed him.
The most retarded thing I've read on /tv/ all day and I don't even open the Star Wars threads.
>>64444847
>US
>School
do you guys still want a /film/ board?
>>64444962
Yes. /cel/ would be better, though.
>>64445011
/cel/ is /s/
>>64444962
Yes, but only because I want to see the endless arguments about whether or not something is a film.
>>64444464
>>64444847
According to this Blackhat and Knight of Cups are not kinography.
>>64444847
please don't bring benning and his work into this.
>>64446745
>Benning
>work
![Knight.of.Cups.2015.HDRip.XviD.AC3-EVO.avi_snapshot_00.46.54_[2016.01.03_16.56.19].png](https://i.imgur.com/APZDI2s.png "Knight.of.Cups.2015.HDRip.XviD.AC3-EVO.avi_snapshot_00.46.54_[2016.01.03_16.56.19].png")
>>64444625
>I haven't seen Knight of Cups yet
you should asap, you'll scoff at me, but its probably one of the greatest films ever made, no joke
theyre a flick and a popcorn catch, respectively
>>64444847
is this fucking reak what the fuck
>>64447433
>being this much of a pleb
>>64447261
oh sorry
do we know anything about what he's doing next?
still have yet to see natural history.
>>64447517
He's going to kill himself and film it from different angles
I liked Blackhat, but the way it's worshipped by contrarian faggots on /tv/ is absurd
>>64444464
can someone please explain to a pleb how the fuck blackhat is kino? or is this a meme
>>64448301
Kino in itself is a meme.
US A hasnt had a relevant film maker since the Cassavettes and Altman now go back to /v/
What's so great about Blackhat? I thought it was just another generic thriller film but now maybe I'll actually watch it
>>64448442
you judged a movir before even seeing it? you didnt watch it already because of Mann's digital? its too much for you dont bother, you wouldnt get it
>>64448433
How embarrassing
>>>/IMDB/
>>64444847
So fake and gay.
In English, a cinema is a place.
>>64448442
it is
>>64444671
korine is as authentic as it gets
PTA maybe not so much
>>64444464
>kinography
It's called Kino-Pravda, you fucking pleb. Take your flicks and self back to >>>/r/eddit.
>best kino of 2015
>not this
the kino flowchart is the worst meme to ever happen to /tv/
>>64448871
agreed, and I'm a /tv/ veteran
>backhat
that fucking sucked, get the fuck out.
>>64448684
well memed
>>64448699
>korine
>authentic
lel
>>64444464
Knight of Cups is not kinography, it's motion picture
Wouldn't Irreversible and Into The Void qualify as kino?
>>64448442
So many of its images are already seared in my brain: a handheld camera bouncing and juddering as it chases the heroes through a Chinese aqueduct; a man speeding away on a motorboat as a blown-out sky vibrates behind him; a fist-fight in a Korean noodle house seems to envelope the camera in a blur of motion. I’ve seen Blackhat dismissed by plebs as silly or dramatically flat. It isn’t, but I rather think that misses the point. You don’t face up to a film like this look to pick apart its dialogue or story, even if you think they’ll withstand the scrutiny. When a rush of images this exquisite are upon you the only appropriate response is to give yourself over to them. Mann has pushed the action movie into the realm of abstract expressionism alright. Simply stand back and luxuriate in the beauty.
>>64448301
A computer genius reduced to a man with a blade in a deteriorating wash of digital bodies and fire. Strands of hair blowing in the wind and glances at necks and arms that say more than any amount of dialogue could. After seeing this 3 times now, i stand behind my claim that it's one of the scariest movies ever made. The velocity of the violence, and physicality of not just the prison style shanking at the end, but the way the guns operate. Mann is known for having loud gun sounds but they have never sounded so technical, the deafening rattle of bullets leaving the chamber and ejecting out their barrel. Ear piercing pangs reverberating through and around the tight tunnels, shipping containers and stone structures in that mid-movie shootout. Wei Tang's screams silenced so that all we can hear are the bullets hitting the back of the sign they're hiding behind. A final showdown that is more along the lines of a certain scene in The Tale of the Princess Kaguya than any live action film i've ever seen. The bodies of the leads moving against a sea of black and red, everything starts to become more and more abstract as they try to move closer while being pushed back by the huge crowd carrying fire torches, it starts to become hard to tell who is actually moving and then everything crashes down and the background suddenly becomes nothing but fire and bodies that collapse into flowing shapes. A shot that tracks along Hemsworth's arm and pans around to show his out of focus body against a backdrop of digital noise is one of the most truly 3D moments i've ever seen in a 2D movie.
>>64449079
2deep4u
>>64448442
Mann's digital camera continues to give bodies weight, the team of cops rushing through the tight pathways as the camera aggressively follows behind and tracks back adds an immediate feeling of not quasi-realism but real-realism? Everything carries weight, everything is there, it's happening now. It's not just a prop behind that gun, it's a human. He's one of the only contemporary directors that can achieve realism through abstraction. Claims that he doesn't care about his characters don't make any sense when he gives people without even a word of dialogue a more meaningful death than some films give their lead character, look at the way he focuses on Kassar's face as he finds out that one of his men isn't going to make it. Or the dying breaths of a cop that he lingers on as the rest of the team leave him behind not because they want to but because they have to.
>>64448301
Mann has a way of capturing bodies interacting with the space around them that's only as extraordinary as his ability to capture nightscapes. A film of broken communication and broken data, Blackhat is an exercise in pure form, with Mann concerned by the emotional effect of images, and a disregard for narrative logic and plausibility in favour of tech/digital beauty. His most experimental film, and one of 2015's best
Macro fuels micro, and vice versa, in Michael Mann’s world. He crafts scenes of intimacy as well as violence, an attention to gestures, whether it’s how Tang Wei keeps toying with her hair or the veins in her neck, or the posture of a man in a firefight, he’s keen on how bodies move. And he’s determined to show how their actions, sometimes marrying love to murder, usually in a climactic firefight scored by synths, reflect the world they live in. Hathaway is sprung from prison to track the code to its author, a generic detective plot fraught and complicated not just by his role as a con (and later fugitive) but also by the nature of how his expertise preys on the systems of the world. A small (though buff) man in the scope and size of the planet can cross any border he wants from the seat of his chair: he can get into the NSA (!), he can rob banks, he can trace a pattern in targets’ movements across a metropolis, he can talk to the Ukraine (or is it?) from Los Angeles. His reach is longer than his arms, though in the end that’s all he has to use.
Blackhat is indeed too beautiful for this world, which is why unwashed people like you rejected it. "Too cold", they said. "Not realistic" they said. I struggle to understand what went through the mainstream critics' mind during Hathaway and Lien's first sex scene, which came at a time they were waiting until dawn for an international flight. It was out of necessity that they found each other, and their physical chemistry couldn't have been more perfect. It was beautiful.
And then there was the professionalism, on all fronts. It's a Mann film after all. Lien's brother catches her and Hathaway in bed together, and what does he do? Does he get all huffy and create unnecessary drama like literally hundreds of other movies with the same situation? No. He goes about his fucking job. They all go about their business, because the mission takes absolute precedent.
This is the type of thriller we desperately need these days. The human drama is there, but it's SECONDARY to the mission. But when the human drama is there, it's a home run. During the first firefight, some random mook is mortally wounded. Do the other nameless mooks just leave him there? No, they carry him to safety like he's a real person, a friend, a brother they've worked with before. When that random mook dies on the speedboat (it's not a true Mann film without a speedboat) you FEEL the loss that they feel.
>>64444464
>photoplay utilizing partially or entirely self-made frame, movements made art
Knights of cups and blackhat are niether of those. Well memed my illiterate illegitimate family member.
le vulgar auteurism
>>64444671
You're just wrong if you can't see that PTA is one of the best contemporary directors who is actually pushing himself.
>>64448835
This was a documentary about contemporary Russia right?
lol can't wait to see what new category's get made up this year by you retards
