This show has jumped the fucking shark and it was never even great to begin with.
>muh opressed womynks
Literally tumblr: the show
>BBC
Did you expect anything less
I just watched that episode.
Literally what did I just watch?
Nothing happened.
>>64357039
>It's fine for women to get away with murder because feminsim
This show is dogshit
>>64357095
Basically them telling us that Moriarty is actually dead and someone else is using his name; just like the "bride".
It's a terrible show made to make stupid people think they are clever.
What total shit, I just spent 90 minutes on this fucking shit show
>>64357039
What about the opressed people of colour?
was hype for that episode for ages
then its just more moriarty bullshit
kms 2bh family
That was really boring.
WTF happened to this show? I thought the wedding episode was garbage and then this?
Honestly, I normally really enjoy it because I'm not autism and don't take it too serious.
But it really did come across like a load of pretentious drivel.
>>64357245
It was pretty great until it gave up being about a new story and descended into more incestuous lorewank
Summary of the episode:
>DUUUH WOMEN ARE GOOD
MORIARTY IS DEAD MIGHT NOT BE DUNNO m8
BUT MATE TUMBLR U LOVE WOMEN ARE GOOD RIGHT
WOMEN ARE GOOD
WOMEN ARE GOOD
WOMEN ARE GOOD
NOTHING HAPPENS
disgusting moffat
It was good up until he realized it was Moriarty. Can't they just do a standalone episode for once?
Why couldn't have been Sherlock in Victorian London? As in just that - as advertised?
So unnecessary. Moffat always finds a way to cock it up.
>>64357039
What did you expect?
It's fucking Moffat
>>64357145
This is surprisingly accurate.
>>64357376
This.
I was expecting it to just be a Jeremy Brett style episode, but then they had to do "it was all an overdose"
Even Sherlock finding out if he was right was part of the dream.
>>64357436
He came dangerously good to writing something good and then defaulted to all his worst fucking vices.
>>64357039
Shit series, plagiarism of Fight club.
>>64357431
Writing a straight up crime drama is far beyond the talents of Moffat and Gaitiss.
>>64357170
Im shocked by how accurate that description of sherlock is
>>64357503
>>He came dangerously good to writing something good
At what point was this episode even SLIGHTLY good? Even on a conceptual stage, before the awful script?
Agreed. Elementary is much better.
>>64357595
I'm fairly sure Moffat has read it, there's literally a scene in this episode where Moriarty blows his brains out and Sherlock goes "what the fuck you should be dead why aren't you dead" and Moriarty all but winks at the camera.
>>64357602
Remove the final act with the inception shit and just end the victorian mystery with a proper reveal, have the suffragette killers all be arrested, removing overblown feminist schlock and replacing it with just a single wry comment or something (standard fair for any killer in a murder mystery who was partly justified), and end it there.
Lads my dad just found a huge plothole
Why would modern day sherlock imagine the scene at the reichenbach falls? Surely he has no connection to it?
>>64357095
I thought the 19th century case was interesting, I wish it was just about that.
I haven't seen much of the series before so I didn't really care if it progressed the main story.
>>64357039
>@EmmaKennedy 6m6 minutes ago
>Mostly we all loved the bit where the man came and explained feminism to a room full of women. #Sherlock
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>64357707
It's his imagination. His first big showdown with Moriarty involved a painting of the reichenbach waterfall and a "fall".
OR
Really the victorian Sherlock is the real one.
>>64357586
Nah m8 thats Mr Robot
>>64357741
It didn't
>>64357691
It was all terrible up to that point. The inception part is where it crossed over into hilariously bad territory, which I vastly prefer.
>>64357757
Oh I forgot about the painting
SO IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE BRAVO
torrent for the ep?
>>64357639
I can't accept Watson as a female I just can't. Holmes and Wtson is one of literatures great male friendships.
torrent where?
>>64357757
Or it's just shit
>>64357817
>>64357836
Don't even bother m8s. Worst xmas special since the Star Wars one.
>>64357817
>>64357836
Why would you willingly want to watch Schlock?
>>64357883
I'm a huge faggot
IT WAS ALL A DREAM,
I USED TO WATCH THIS FOR DETECTIVE THEMES,
NOW IT'S FULL OF INCEPTION AND SHITTY MEMES
>>64357811
Inasmuch as it's coincidental that their entire lives are very similar to some books written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, yeah
>>64357793
I thought it was fine up until that point. It looked good, great sets costumes etc, nicely shot there was a genuine mystery being solved. I never said great but it was perfectly watchable.
Then it disappeared up its own arse never to be seen again
A coma fantasy
A fucking coma fantasy
at least it made feminists mad I guess
>>64357757
>Really the victorian Sherlock is the real one.
I choose to believe this.
I just watched the series 3 finale after marathoning the rest of the show.
What the FUCK.
How are Gattis and Moffat allowed to have free reign to piss on Doctor Who AND Sherlock Holmes? Is the UK this cucked that two of their biggest cultural exports are allowed to be ravaged like this by two middle aged fanfiction.net writers?
What next, are they going to buy the rights to all the works of Shakespeare and edit Hamlet to include a gay romance between Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? Are they going to make a miniseries of Beowulf where Gattis makes a cameo appearance as a time-travelling tumblr blogger who calls the protagonist "bae-wolf?" Will they make a Kipling episode of Doctor Who where he falls in love with an Indian and has a child with her called Mowgli?
Just how far will they go before someone stops them?
>likening feminists to the KKK
All the butthurt on twitter XD
look up Sherlock.The Abominable Bride.720p HDTV x264-FoV[ettv] you know where
>>64358069
no one really gives a fuck about either doctor who or sherlock, we're just here to make fun of how shit it is
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said that if he was only remembered as the creator of Sherlock Holmes then his life would have been a failure.
How do you think he'd feel about that episode?
They literally invented the phrase "turning in his grave" for this exact moment in time
>>64358069
I feel bad for Capaldi, I bet he'd make a good Doctor but holy shit I can't stand Moffat's writing so I can't watch it.
Though I hear viewer numbers have been dropping.
>>64358101
>XD
kill yourself normalfag
It had some good moments (and I saw the fact it would tie back to the main series from the beginning) but overall it wasn't the best.
The issue is the same one I had with episode one and episode three of series 3 - it wasn't a cohesive narrative. It was a collection of good moments, but as a murder mystery it didn't tie together well. I thought episode 2 with the wedding was the best as the emotional and mystery narratives tied up together really well. This episode didn't so much despite some good moments.
>>64358148
I dropped the show after the ISIS two parter. What were they thinking?
>>64357363
way to focus on 1 minute of the narrative...
>>64358128
He was pretty against women getting the vote, I think he'd hate the suffragette murderers getting a pass. He'd also be fucking confused by the modern day parts.
>>64357170
Holy fuck
I came into this thread kind of expecting to be on its defense, and then I read that and that is entirely correct
Fuck man
The show is pretty comfy at times, but that photo is undeniably accurate...
>>64358128
Probably because Sherlock is digging him up.OH WAIT NO HES NOT ITS A FUCKING DREAM
>>64358190
The penultimate episode of the latest series is possibly the best episode of NuWho and the best thing Moffat's written - though overall this series wasn't as strong as Capaldi's first.
>>64357751
Wait do feminists not like it aswell?
Is this the end of Moffat?
Did Moffat forget he was writing Sherlock and not Doctor Who?
>>64358148
I sat in the room when my sister watched it the other day
Holy shit it was just appalling. Like, every aspect was awful. And I say this as a faggot that used to love it
>>64357145
>It's fine for women to get away with murder because feminsim
Explain how you inferred that from the episode
>>64358105
Thanks man.Also pretty hated but decent album.
>>64358265
He fell into the trap of a feminist meme.
They would have praised it endlessly if Mary had been the mastermind who explained the whole thing to Sherlock and Watson while they stood there silently and then applauded at the end.
>>64358220
I was thinking about this. Is it immoral for a TV show to use someone else's creation to promote or celebrate some kind of shit that they would be completely disgusted by? Like, forget about what might be 'objectively' wrong like promoting genocide through propaganda or some shit, just about the relation to the artist's own values.
I feel uneasy about all the gay shit in Sherlock, even as aguy with same-sex attractions
>>64358265
>Wait do feminists not like it aswell?
Browsed through twitter #Sherlock mentions and it seems that yeah a lot of women are kinda pissed about either Sherlock "mansplaining" feminism or the whole 'women murdering for rights' sub-plot.
Basically, this whole thing backfired.
>>64358353
You didn't answer my question.
>>64358418
Beautiful.
>>64358427
Mansplaining is a feminist meme. If a woman had been saying that shit, they would have eaten it up because they wouldn't be able to fall back on the "uh oh, a man is saying it so it's condescending" defense.
Combine this with the urge to show off how offended they are, and you've got a perfect storm of dumb harpy cunts.
>>64358325
>Explain how you inferred that from the episode
Not him but they literally find the people who did it and say "they did it for rights and killed evil men who had it coming!" then they dropped the whole thing without resolution.
>>64357639
>elementary
>better
It's all the exact same shit. Greatest detective show of all time has already been made.
>>64358325
The line is literally
>it's a war we deserve to lose
implying that the killers are on the right side of history and are justified in their violence against 'we', the patriarchy
>>64358545
Based fucking Columbo.
Has there ever been a more perfect show?
>>64357431
This
If they'd just taken one of the stories and done it in the original setting with those characters it would have been top tier.
How did Moffat fuck this one up.
>feminists complaining he's sexist
>anti-SJWs complaining he's stuffing a feminist agenda into it
You can't win if you're Moffat. I mean Moriarty turns up in a dress seconds later, who fucking takes it that seriously?
>>64357751
>Moffat decides to ruin a perfectly good Sherlock with feminism
>fucks even that up, so even feminists hate it
>>64358128
fresh OC for you anon
>>64357771
everything new serials plagiarism Fight club
>>64357039
Why isn't the ep up anywhere on streaming sites? Can't find it.
>>64358714
try iplayer
>>64358069
>What next, are they going to buy the rights to all the works of Shakespeare and edit Hamlet to include a gay romance between Rosencrantz and Guildenstern?
They don't need to buy anything. Public domain, baby!
>>64358671
Pretty sure he said something similar earlier
>>64358671
Kek
he is the original George Lucas and Moffat is his white slaver
I can only imagine all the tumblrina's who went to watch this in UK cinemas horror kek.
Seriously a "wew lads" moment
>>64358530
>>64358553
IT WAS ALL IN SHERLOCKS HEAD
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3z2cuc/sherlock_special_bit_dull/
Good God
>>64358418
>trying to please feminists ever
That was Moffat's first mistake.
>>64358822
utter cancer marketed towards the kikeloving selfie stick degenerate generation of today.
>>64358889
>implying Sherlock would give a shit about feminism even in his head
Then again he is a deerstalker tipping virgin so I guess it's not that far fetched.
>>64358353
Its like the opposite of a honey trap
>>64358660
>You can't win if you're Moffat
You can by writing an actual Sherlock story.
>>64358660
You can win by not trying to pander in the first place
>>64358903
>https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3z2cuc/sherlock_special_bit_dull/
What are you wanting us to look at reddit?
>>64359006
>>64359041
His entire career is bootlicking. That's all he's ever done.
>>64358511
Is Moffat the next Joss Whedon?
>>64358418
When will they learn?
In the next series there should be an episode where Addler is the criminal. I thought she was better than Moriarty.
>>64358069
Jesus fuck you are retarded.
Americans shouldn't be allowed to watch things.
I mean you are right that this shit is awful but jesus fuck.
>>64358408
In the case of Sherlock Holmes it's been so ling since it was written that I don't think it matters. No one who ever met Conan Doyle is alive any more so there's no one to get upset by it.
>>64359180
You're right
>>64358069
Inbetweeners USA
Seinfeld
Big Bang Theory for fuck sake
did sherlock or watson even say a single line that made them feel like real human characters? because nothing comes to mind
>>64359180
>>64359254
What are you two fags on about? I'm Australian, are you just butthurt or something? I'm not taking this as an opportunity to take international pot shots if that's what you think.
>>64359355
>double digit IQ shitposter
>australian
Ah it all adds up.
Everyone here is agreed the episode was bad, you are also hilariously retarded.
>>64359440
Yeah yeah whatever, just say why dummy.
>>64359080
Pretty good comparison actually.
Sacrificing actual story telling for the sake of gif-able moments.
>>64359488
You seem to have zero grasp of how intellectual properties, or even cultural artefacts like Sherlock Holmes work.
There are fucking limitless versions of Sherlock Holmes made by people all over the world. Where you angry when Disney made him into a mouse, was that pushing the furry agenda? Should "The UK" have done something to try and stop them being "cucked"?
Bad TV shows are just that, bad TV shows they will be forgotten.
I didn't watch the episode... is Moriarty dead? You're all saying he dreamed him up in this episode but what about the end of season 3?
>>64359648
Haha, what a nerd.
lame this was only a special i though it was the start of a new season, still worth watching tho
>>64359648
Oh okay, just autism then. It's called exaggerating to make a point about how shit I think the show is. Of course he can't buy Shakespeare's entire works and George Lucas it.
Fuck I bet you are Moffat, cuck. Don't take the UK comments so personally next time, I don't want to go to jail for hate speech.
>>64359534
>Sacrificing actual story telling for the sake of gif-able moments.
Perfect description of this show. Every line is 'le witty quip', designed to be turned into a 3-frame gif on Tumblr.
Cumberbatch and Freeman are just showing up for the paycheck at this point, but they must realise they are literally starring in Schlock.
Jesus Christ this fucking writing.
>>64359798
Dumb cuckposter.
But yeah, this episode was seriously terrible, but the retarded idea you have that these IPs are somehow sacred is just funny.
The definitive TV Sherlock will always be Basil Rathbone and everyone knows it, anyway.
>>64357039
Dont kid yourself, it started fairly good, first season wasnt pretentious or pandering, but after that it started showing up. This one was where most people realised it but dont let it ruin your opinion of season 1, save the retarded Chinese episode
why does that Watson guy pause every 5 seconds when he talks? he does it in the Hobbit too
is that supposed to be acting?
>>64360390
He's being British and repressed. It's a thing.
is it worse than season 3? because season 3 made me want to stop watching and I need to know whether to cut my losses or not
>>64360363
This.
The infuriating thing with Moffat is that he can write, he just also has a tendency to dial it in and write fanfictiony tier knowing bullshit when he can't think of anything else. Heaven Sent (penultimate episode of the last season of Doctor Who) was a reminder of what he can do when he is distracted enough to not put fucking awful winks to the camera in every few seconds.
>>64359980
Rathbone did films, numskull.
Jeremy Brett is the definitive Holmes in any case.
>>64360390
He's the straight man which means he is constantly befuddled by everything around him you think he would get used to it
>>64357039
>Sherlock solves a crime in his mind to get out of having to arrest the conspirators, which almost certainly would have happened in the 19th century.
Still, its funny. According to Moffat, the primary drive which women in the suffragette movement had, was a murderous one which emerged from, more-or-less, being a jilted lover. Apparently, any political or legal inequalities were not written in because it fell outside the 'real' experience of the 19th century woman. It is the real experience because it is through their solipsistic, subjectivity (as it relates to their personal life) that they form an understanding of their hardship. Only this unequal role is given its content by their unequal position in the household, and from this, which partner gets to thrash the other for being a no-good hussy. The suffragettes were given no positive affirmation of their own political or legal struggles, as they still required men to give themselves any definition or purpose at all. And this purpose was a meek psychological resentment, projected from their slutty misdemeanors on to men, which caused them to kill because their bad husbands no longer gave them the security which shielded them from their own neurosis. Its not very independent, any sense of self is still inextricably tied to the men in their relationships and bad, abusive men are not negated through death. Even after death, those dependent women will still depend on those dead men to give their own lives any meaning at all - living women still less powerful than a dead old white man. Its also not a representation of strength or intellect (though Moffat was at pains to say they were smart), as they lacked the wit to think of any plan of action which didn't involve cold blooded murder.
>>64360683
I feel for capaldi since this season was god awful but that episode was some of the best stuff i've seen from NuWho
>>64360763
Bits of the season were quite good I thought. Like the opening two parter, again in the scenes where Moffat didn't disappear up his own arse. And he was golden in the Zygon ISIS one too, and the ghosts under the lake two parter was very strong. And then mixed in there were some utter turds.
>>64360668
bamp
>>64357976
Poit tree
>>64358822
>That image
>>64360668
It spent 70% being a macabre victorian version of Sherlock and then returned to the exact same worst stuff from Season 3 for the last act.
>>64358069
>"bae-wolf?
kek.
I would laugh, and then I would die.
sherlock used to be a godlike book because the character used scientific methods that were revolutionary at the time but common for any given detective today. it becomes borderline cringe because they have to add modern elements to it like "le h4Ck1nG xDXD" and nobody in the entertainment industry know how hacking accurately works or is used
>>64358889
That doesn't really seem relevant to the point being made. If it was in his head then that's what he believes, and he obviously was written to believe that for pandering purposes.
>>64357828
Nah Lucy Liu Watson is pretty GOAT, no romance between the two at all.She even becomes a detective under the training of Sherlock
>>64360734
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>>64357039
it shits on classic Sherlock so much it hurts
>>64361226
You mean it's not possible to hack into MI5 in less than 5 seconds on your blackberry?
>>64361778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bMT37ZlSwE
>>64361674
>She even becomes a detective under the training of Sherlock
If that line alone doesn't make you cringe then you have no idea how Watson's character is supposed to work.
Are english subs for the ep. out?
Can't understand a thing with those british accents.
>>64357039
anyone got a link
>>64362581
What a pathetic sentence.
>>64361674
>>64362562
>American network television
Literal shit.
>>64358909
There's a hilarious interview he did (and I'd imagine he's had to comment on this before) where the interviewer asked him "how do you deal with allegations that the things you write are sexist?" And his answer was straight up "no matter what I do, I'm finding it really hard to satisfy people who say my writing isn't up to standard in that area, cause I love women and blah blah blah."
So it was very amusing watching the latest episode for me knowing that he's 100% aware that he's failing to keep these lunatics on his side, because the amount of feminist/tumblrite pandering in this episode was perhaps some of the strongest I've ever seen in ANYTHING. And that includes fucking shit like Steven Universe.
But it's great, cause he ramped it up to such a ridiculous degree that it exploded in his face and now they hate him even more. The man's pathetic, honestly. He's let these people completely undermine his 'credibility' as a writer. Writecucked.
>Sherlock gets stumped in the bride case
>some drug tripping through time happens
>gets back to the bride case where suddenly Watson's wife is at a church where all the baddies are and Sherlock knows the entire solution without having to deduce anything
well that was a let down
>>64362864
I actually don't think shit like Steven Universe does it on purpose, I think its taken the wrong way. Its just a light-hearted cartoon not a tumblr meme. Moffat on the other hand wants cheap views from idiots.
>>64363346
Steven Universe is literally made by tumblr people, it has a pretty clear agenda mayn.
>The unusually strong female presence in a series about a boy – all major characters except Steven and Greg are female – is intentional, according to Sugar. She intended to "tear down and play with the semiotics of gender in cartoons for children" because she considered it absurd that shows for boys should be fundamentally different from those for girls. In terms of plot, according to her, the series is developing towards a far-off end goal, although everything in between is kept flexible, in part, because her own intentions have "changed since I've started because I’ve grown up a lot" while working on Steven Universe.[12]
>"God forbid a piece of media not include super masculine self-insert super powered hero characters for straight males to identify with."
>— Series story editor Matt Burnett in response to fans asking for male Gems[11]
>>64363548
But I dont think its intrusive
Also we all know Matt Burnett is a piece of shit, aside from that the staff are tolerable.
I dont think there is anything wrong with showing Stronk womyn in media, its just if you do it for the sake of it or for pandering it sucks.
>>64363632
I get red flags when I hear words like "tear down" "semiotics" "deconstruction" "subversion"
I haven't seen the show so I don't really have an opinion on the delivery or whatever, but the origins seem pretty political to me - as well as what I have seen of it.
>>64357976
interestingly, Christopher Wallace was a really smart guy and could have been an engineer or a lab technician or something.
instead he chose to be a street level thug nigger instead. dude had too much potential to go the way he did. what a loss.
>>64363712
Yeah I understand that, but it honestly never comes across in the show, personally I have stayed the fuck away from the community who drag things out of proportion. It honestly seems no real attempt is made to push any agendas, its just fairly funny
>>64362529
in five to six months you can probably get into MI5.
The hero isn't even Sherlock anymore. It's Watson's wife Mary, she brought the confused men to the suffragettes to solve the crime and she is also an elite hacker who can get through the MI6 security on her iPhone making Microft, Sherlock and Watson useless.
Mary Watson is hardly even mentioned in the book but because Moffat is the biggest cuck on the planet, completely terrified of offending his tumblr audience the strongest character has to be a woman.
This show was fucking brilliant for the first two seasons and it has now turned into self indulgent feminist fan fiction trash.
>>64364531
This. It used to be a pretty loyal modern adaptation of Conan Doyle's stories. How the fuck did we get to where we are now?
>>64363786
what a moron, who cares about some dumb engineers?
he grew up a street level thug nigger dealing drugs, but escaped and worked hard to become a millionaire and one of the most beloved rappers of all time. now that's interesting, not your STEM worshiping good-citizen bullshit.
>>64357170
This is good and correct. Sherlock is cut from the same cloth as House.
This is the moment i knew Sherlock had lost it
Pandering to the tumblr crowd and their theories, and it's never let up since.
Tonight was just another installment of Tumblr: The Detective. The way the feminism angle was portrayed and shoehorned in was fucking painful.
And i'm not one of these gamergater crowd. If a feminism angle was done right, i likely wouldn't even care, but it was just so in your face and stupid. Even when you think about it for a minute it doesn't make any logical sense
>The killers were women who felt distanced by men, there for THEY WERE INHERENTLY CORRECT TO KILL THEM!
>>64365078
>And i'm not one of these gamergater crowd
you actually felt the need to say that
>If a feminism angle was done right, i likely wouldn't even care
>>64365234
>you actually felt the need to say that
Yeah, because gaters are fucking retards, and actually made things 10 times worse than the were before. Of course i want to distance myself from that.
>>64365336
>Of course i want to distance myself from that.
not the best website to distance yourself from gg by commenting on. maybe reddit or tumblr would be more to your tastes.
So am I just retarded or did this episode pretty much imply that Moriarty being back is all Sherlock's doing?
>>64365732
gg a shit, even full.chan acknowledges it
>>64365732
Us channers. Amiright? Do not forgive, do not forget, etc
You do know you don't have to parrot every opinion you see here to fit In? Kind of the point of being Anonymous and all that.
GaymerGate is and always was hot shit. Worse even than chanology
>>64365336
>And i'm not one of these gamergater crowd
you actually felt you had to say this to criticize this episode
>>64357170
>tfw I was the OP of that thread
>tfw I was btfo by that anon and have since learned that sherlock was a shit show from the beginning
thanks /tv/, you always put me on the right path when it comes to movies and television
>make a group of feminists the villains that go around murdering people to advance their political goals
>try to pander to them by saying it's okay because they've been oppressed for thousands of years
>feminists get mad
at least the episode was good for getting tumblr to turn on Moffat
Complaining about no plot progression in what is essentially a crime procedural is really dumb. It was still a bad episode though. I didn't think Moffat could go any lower, but dressing up women like KKK and thinking that's empowering does it.
this episode was directed by an autistic 5 year old what the fuck impossible to watch
>>64368010
Feminists basically are the KKK
Dr. Who level trash.
>>64368868
not enough blondes+blacks and gays
>>64368868
It certainly had the shitty special effects of a doctor who episode
>>64369058
Yeah. The smoke and fog could be in a SMOSH video from 2009.
>>64357170
its a shame, because I think Cucumber would, if Sherlock was written well, make for a pretty good Holmes.
They clearly draw from the old Granada TV show, but that Holmes was smartly written, and written 100% accurate to the books, and performed even better by an actor who literally had a little black book of Sherlock Holmes details and mannerisms
>>64357837
>that hair
>that nose
/pol/ WAS RIGHT AGAIN
>>64368951
Come to think of it, I'm amazed they didn't shoehorn in black people into the victorian london crowds in the same way they shoehorned in black people in medieval crowds in doctor who this series
>Women dressed up as KKK
>drug overdose 'it was all just a dream'
>fourth wall breaking
What the fuck was Moffat thinking?
