can someone ELI5 why this film gets so much hate on this board?
>ELI5
what? I feel like this is some reddit slang
Flawless main character, ANOTHER Death Star
Is Rey waifu bait trash for the Asians?
>>64290871
i don't see how she's any more of a mary sue than anakin from the phantom menace, yet no one's talking about him. would you really feel the same if she was male?
Because its "reddit the movie"
Because other people like it
>>64290834
How is reddit this time of year?
>>64290898
No one talks about him because we've already discussed Anakin's shittiness to death. Do you really think we're exempting the prequels from criticism?
>>64290871
literally the only actual solid critiques
>>64290898
Because we've already discussed Anakin's shittiness to death. Do you really think we're exempting the prequels from criticism?
>>64290834
FOR YOU
The pacing is terrible, the action scenes are devoid of any real tension, the story is an inferior version of the original Star Wars, and Rey is a very boring protagonist.
It's not the worst movie ever made or anything. It's certainly more competent in its production than the prequels--and there are some good performances--but the movie's offensively dull.
>expect a sex scene with the bull traitor
>only get a kiss on the cheek
At least the parody porn will be good.
>>64290898
Do you really think we're exempting the prequels from criticism?
>>64290955
Of course you are. Even now you're to dismiss the notion.
>>64291056
Yeah, sorry about the double post.
>>64290940
Why do Redditors have to always be such smug, sanctimonius shitcunts?
>>64290898
We're exempting the prequels from criticism?
>>64291037
Hello reddit
>>64291080
Dismiss what notion? That Anakin's overpowered? You'll have to remind me where I dismissed it.
Would I feel the same if she was male? What? Uh, yeah. Yeah, I would.
>>64291119
How is disliking TFA a characteristic of Reddit?
>>64290894
Too bad her actor's a degenerate.
>>64291276
CUTE
>>64290834
Nothing interesting on reddit today?
>>64290898
Look kid, what do you think were exempting the prequels from criticism or something?
>Rey never piloted a star ship before yet outpiloted tie fighters
>Rey never shot a blaster before yet never missed a shot
>Rey never used the force before, or knew she was force sensitive, yet she knew what Jedi mind tricks are and how to use them
>with no training or practice, Rey overpowered Ren (a skywalker trainined by Luke and Snoke) in the force by pulling the lightsaber to her over him. Keep in mind Luke could barely force pull his own lightsaber to him on hoth and that was against no resistance and with Obi-Wan having already shown Luke the ways in the force and with Luke having had time to practice
>ruined the OT because the characters basically accomplished nothing and regressed back to where they started in the OT, except Luke who now lives in isolation
>the movie was just a remake of episode 4 and introduced nothing new or interesting (jakku is tatooine and the other forgettable planets are not yavin 4, not hoth and not naboo). Instead of the death star you now have the death planet that can destroy 5 planets instead of 1 (omg how fking epic xdd)
>stupid "witty" quips/one liners and overreacted comic relief bits akin to what you'd find in generic, run of the mill, lowest common denominator superhero movies
Basically Rey sucked and was a Mary sue. The OT and even the PT established it takes significant training and practice to effectivley use the force and Abrams retconned how the force works as Rey was very effective in it with no practice or training 5 minutes after learning she could use it. The plot was just a rehash of episode 4.
>>64290898
>implying we're exempting the prequels from criticism
https://artistscoalition.wordpress.com/2015/12/25/the-end-of-magic-review-of-the-force-awakens/comment-page-1/
I think this sums up the core problem
>>64290834
>ELI5
lol baka senpai
go ask your little 12-year-old buttbuddies at r/4chan.
The film gets hate because its a mediocre quality release that was hyped for years that could have been excellent if competent human beings wrote a plot that wasn't influenced by a marketing department. It innovated on nothing, and is another indicator of a shift from focus on plot and narratives into flashy feel-good wish fullfillment that feels like capeshit.
>>64290898
>REY ISNT A MARY SUE BECAUSE ANAKIN WAS HURRRRRR THE PHANTOM MENACE SUCKS
Oh Reddit
>>64291671
Spot on
it was a farce, literally literally. Characters constantly racing back and forcth around after each other from place to place with no buildup, ever. Let's go to this planet. Wait, what planet? Doesn't matter, we're already here. And the bad guys swoop in two minutes later. Then the good guys swoop in after another minute. Stilted dialogue. Bad guys bounce out. Character runs away, returns instantly when needed. The whole movie is like this.
>>64290834
It gave us nothing new in the Star Wars Universe.
And just ended up as a ANH rehash with a SJW political agenda pushed down our throats.
Into Darkness
>Abrams makes a weak remake of Wrath of Khan with new, shiny special effects. Adds lots of action in the hopes that people don't realize he's up to the task of remaking this masterwork.
Force Awakens
>Abrams makes a weak remake of A New Hope with new, shiny special effects. Adds lots of action in the hopes that people don't realize he's up to the task of remaking this masterwork.
..and everyone loves him and thinks he's a genius.
Fuck this gay earth.
>>64291671
Although this is 100% correct, I had a great time watching the film becuase I stoped giving a shit about Star Wars long ago and this film had good action, some really pretty scenes and some likable characters. People expect way too much of Star Wars.
>>64292484
Also, nonoe of the diaogue really disgraced the film like in the prequels. The main thing that I clenched my anus over is when Finn says something like "Hell no". What is Hell?
>>64290991
>>64291056
>>64291117
>>64291607
>>64291705
>>64290898
>IT'S OK THAT MY CHARACTER IS TRASH BECAUSE OTHER CHARACTERS WERE TRASH FIRST
I want TFAfags to leave.
>>64290834
Cause pretty much everyone here is a film major. Star Wars is too mainstream, bro.
>>64290834
Because the hype
There have been at least 5 threads on TFA at any given moment long before the movie came out
It was bound to turn out like this, ENDLESS shitposting for the movie event of the decade
>>64292617
> We made tons of legitimate criticisms throughout this thread
> "too mainstream lol hipsters"
I hate reys random OP-ness. At last anakin had an excuse for being that powerful because he's the chosen one. Also he still had to fuckin learn techniques not just pull it out of his ass by thinking about it like some god.
>>64292754
Also keep in mind that the prequels skipped most of his training. It just went from finding baby Anakin in TPM to fully grown jedi Anakin in AOTC
>>64292484
>>64292530
It's better than episodes 1 and 2, but that's it. And with Rey being such a Mary sue and (so far) the plot just being a rehash of the OT and offering nothing new or interesting I doubt the triology will end up being any better than the PT.
And I disagree with the dialogue being better than the PT. There wasn't and dislike for sand or Dexter jexter but instead it had overacted comic relief bits and stupid out of place one liners. Basically, the dialogue, and the film really, felt like a marvel movie. That's not necessarily a bad thing by itself, but it felt like a marvel superhero movie over a star wars movie which is bad.
>>64292823
It did, but still showed that a good amount of time had passed. Even the chosen one took years before he got gud.
>>64292823
Yes, but at least it showed that Anakin was trained by Obi-Wan for all those years. He had an excuse, but there was none for Rey. She just randomly could do things that takes a Jedi (even the most powerful) significant training and practice to do.
>>64290894
Jess is cuter and a better pilot
>>64293022
>>64293035
I didn't mean to say Anakin didn't have an excuse, I was just adding to the argument of the guy above me.
You're both completely right.
>>64293182
And that's why I agreed with you. Ep 8 better have an ass ton of explanation and catch up or ep 7 will always rank lowest for me
>>64290834
>hate
>people just say it's not as good as the hype or list some minor criticism
Fuck off, you mindless drone.
>>64293346
Ah. I'm really fucking nervous for episode 8. I assume Rey's gonna be training with Luke, but how the hell is she gonna have any character development at all if she can already do everything?
Not gonna lie, I was enjoying the movie until Rey got captured and they went with the Death Star shit, even though Rey was implausibly perfect. I can only believe Episode 8 is gonna be worse than 7, unless JJ's got a miracle in store for us.
Did Finn get cuck'd by the Force?
>>64290834
* rehash of Episode 4
* muh diversity
>>64293551
I really enjoyed the first 30 minutes or so but then it seemed to really go downhill from there. I'm nervous about it too because if it sucks or doesn't at least justify/explain the numerous plot holes in 7 then I'll just have to go back to the good stuff like kotor and the clone wars while I wait out the next thing.
>>64291111
Quads of truth.
>>64293846
Would the first 30 minutes end around when they got in the MF? That's a reasonable point to declare downhill.
I'll be seeing Episode 8. If they fool me a second time, I'm either not seeing 9 or I'm just pirating it.
>>64290834
it sucked
>>64294127
Yea, essentially when they got in the mf and it magically worked just fine, just like a lot of things magically worked just fine after that. I liked Han and chewie though throughout the whole thing even though chewie got left out more than he should have.
If 8 doesn't at least unfuck 7 then I won't bother seeing 9 in theatres unless I'm really bored at release time and can't think of anything better to do. Kinda like what I did with hobbit 3 lol.
>>64290867
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/
>>64290898
> Anakin is "chosen one"
> Gets hand cut off in 2 vs 1
> Gets legs cut off and is horribly burnt half to death
> Is Mary Sue
> ????
just like in New Hope, a secret information is left in a droid, which ends up in a desert planet after the rebels have a short fight with the First Order (just like how The New Hope starts) The droid eventually ends up in the hands of one of the protagonists. They then leave the desert planet in the falcon as the Empir...pardon, the First Order is shooting at them. They visit a cantina, which is very similar to both Jabba's palace and the cantina in New Hope.
The bad guys are basically exact copies from Ep. 4. We had the military leader Hux (Tarkin), Kylo (Vader) and the shady hologram bad guy, Silo (Emperor). Starkiller base demonstrates its power by blowing up planets (just like the Death Star). The Death Star No.3 is blown up almost the same way it did in New Hope, although Ep.6 was also copied.
A few scenes are visual copies from New Hope. ..and lastly only one of the main characters dies. The status quo is unchanged.
...so yeah, it's pretty much a copy paste...
>>64290834
>Eli5
Okay, this one's new to me, so you must not be from around here
>>64294287
Even Luke, the plausibly explained really good pilot, just got in Han's way when he was on the MF. "What's that flashing?" I enjoyed Han, Kylo, Po and was entertained by Finn to enjoy the most of the rest of the movie anyway.
Would you say the whole movie was a remake? I was only getting the ANH copy vibe once they did the scenes of escaping the Death Star and blowing it up. I guess the droid having the map was the same too, but I feel that this movie emphasized that more than ANH and did a different thing with it, like the fight scene at not-Mos Eisley. Like I said though, once we got to the Death Star, it was all ANH-lite for me.
>>TFA is better than PT
This is seriously debatable. Like, excise jar jar and anakin, and it wouldn't even be a question
>>64294868
As an anon said earlier in this thread,
just like in New Hope, a secret information is left in a droid, which ends up in a desert planet after the rebels have a short fight with the First Order (just like how The New Hope starts) The droid eventually ends up in the hands of one of the protagonists. They then leave the desert planet in the falcon as the Empir...pardon, the First Order is shooting at them. They visit a cantina, which is very similar to both Jabba's palace and the cantina in New Hope.
The bad guys are basically exact copies from Ep. 4. We had the military leader Hux (Tarkin), Kylo (Vader) and the shady hologram bad guy, Silo (Emperor). Starkiller base demonstrates its power by blowing up planets (just like the Death Star). The Death Star No.3 is blown up almost the same way it did in New Hope, although Ep.6 was also copied.
A few scenes are visual copies from New Hope. ..and lastly only one of the main characters dies. The status quo is unchanged.
...so yeah, it's pretty much a copy paste...
it's a overrated meme movie
>>64294982
Excluding Anakin would get rid of a lot of the shittiness, but it would also get rid of most of the prequel trilogy anyway. Wouldn't that be like me saying, "TFA would be better if you excluded Rey."?
>>64295009
Yeah, gotta give it to you there. I'll have to watch it again with that in mind.
Good talk, anon. It was a pleasure.
>>64295180
Indeed, nice to not have to shit post with no end in sight for the first time in forever on here lol
>>64295070
Eh... I'd say PT had enough to stand on its own, Anakin is just sort of a pick up they get along the way, plus the pod race that revolves around him.
TFA is just kind of all over the place, with or without Rey. But if they dropped her, I guess Finn and Poe would be the main characters. And I think that would actually work, more or less. Finns acting is kinda bad in spots, but Poe is actually the one character besides Han who didn't annoy the shit out of me. I think they could carry it okay in a buddy thing
>>64291111
That's hypocrisy of the highest order coming from anyone in here, jesus christ.
>>64293346
Ah. I'm really fucking nervous for episode 8. I assume Rey's gonna be training with Luke, but how the hell is she gonna have any character development at all if she can already do everything?
Not gonna lie, I was enjoying the movie until Rey got captured and they went with the Death Star shit, even though Rey was implausibly perfect. I can only believe Episode 8 is gonna be worse than 7, unless JJ's got a miracle in store for us.
>ITT: bigoted contrarians
>>64295822
Ah fuck I fucked up the copy paste. Hold on, I gotta retype my reply.
>>64291199
TFA and cuckentino are reddit tier
>>64295263
Disregard my other reply. I tried to copy the text in case I fucked up the captcha but I just pasted. Mobile pains.
Lol, now that I think about it, TFA would've been better with just Finn and Po throughout the movie and one of them was a Jedi. It would've been an ANH remake in the same ways, but at least it would have the characters I cared about.
On topic, if the prequels are as bad as I remember them (it's been awhile) then I can't say TFA is as bad as them. The prequels had personality-less characters, nonsensical plots, cringeworthy dialogue and a huge chunk of them were those fucking romance scenes. Say what you want about the TFA characters, but they had personalities. The disjointed plot at least had SOME discernible direction. I laughed out loud in the theater multiple times with everyone else.
TFA would have to be God awful for me to say it's worse than the prequels.
>>64294325
Go back, OP. The jig is up, as they say
>>64296272
OP got his feelings hurt and ran a long time ago.
>>64296341
no i'm still here, it's just none of you have made any valid points about the movie and are just nitpicking. it's still a 9/10 at least and is going to be the highest grossing film of all time
>>64296064
Maybe it's just cuz I was a 90's kid but the prequels were never as bad as everyone makes them out to be, at least for me. Ep 7 is more bad than aotc for me and here's why.
Every single star wars movie had one or more scenes/moments that gave me a thrill or a shiver up my spine no matter how many times I watch them. Ep 1 was the podrace and Darth maul. Ep 2 wad the giant clone/jedi battle and Jango fucking obi Wan up. Ep 3 was the opening sequence and anakin vs obi wan. Ep 4 was the ceremony at the end where they all got medals. Ep 5 was whole hoth thing and Vader vs Luke. Ep 6 was Luke vs Vader vs emperor. Ep 7 I didn't get shit, none of it seemed cool after they got on the mf. And nothing really gave me a thrill.
Anyone can say what they want about the prequels but at least they had new shit in them all the time and had really memorable kick ass moments.
>>64296422
You're going to love the fourth death star in ep 9. It can blow up ten planets in one shot!
>>64296422
Being a rehash of ANH is nitpicking? The main character having no flaws is nitpicking? The complete lack of tension in the Death Star scenes is nitpicking? You must have low standards.
>>64296425
I see your point that the prequels had memorable moments. So is what you're saying that you saw ups and downs in the prequels but you saw blandness in TFA?
>>64296741
>>64296543
keep hating bigots, it's going to be the best movie of all time within a few weeks
>>64296777
Bigot? I gave you some gripes and you're not responding. Either respond to the movie's criticisms or you're baiting.
>>64290834
/pol/ hates black people... That's pretty much the only reason.
>>64296741
Essentially, I can nitpick all day but to rank it I need to see how I reacted to them. This new one was not engaging and was pretty bland tbqh. So I rank it least favorite.
>>64296777
>movie
You meant flick?
>>64296777
wasn't mad max supposed to be the best movie of all time?
make your mind tumblr.
>>64296741
Dude nobody hated the prequels that much before RLM made their review, the first two sucked but revenge of the sith is better than TFA.
>>64292307
Everyone fucking hates Into Darkness though.
Give TFA a few months so it can be okay to criticize it.
>>64296777
The Force Awakens is a PRODUCT designed to rake in as much money as possible.
Guess what?
>>64294477
Learn reading comprehension.
He said Phantom Menace Anakin.
>>64290898
>exempting the prequels from criticism
>he actually thinks we're doing it
>>64297209
Yea just give it time. Once it's cool to hate it everyone will agree with most of the cynics/disappointed fans
>>64297041
Gotcha. I can't relate though because I reacted poorly to the prequels, lol. This isn't something I can argue you though because this is completely subjective. Interesting perspective anyway.
>>64296422
>>64296425
All the previous films begin in media res, and you don't skip anything important. After A New Hope, Luke just fought in some minor battles. After Phantom Menace, Anakin was just in school, etc. Lucas skips over the parts where people are just doing their jobs. This is pretty ballsy at times - like when he skips over the entire clone war because it's pointless.
Objectively speaking, Force Awakens is an aberration because crams three films' worth of plot into the gap between Episode 6 and Episode 7.
There's a simple explanation for this: Episode 7 is, primarily, a thematic sequel to Episodes 1-3. Abrams treats the events of those films as if they are, loosely, what happened to the New Republic and Luke's jedi training school. Kylo joined the dark side for roughly the same thematic reasons as Anakin, and the New Empire emerged for roughly the same thematic reasons as the Old Empire.
However, Force Awakens 'needs' to explain these events in plot terms, because Anakin and Kylo are not literally the same. Hence, we have flashbacks and expository dialogue about the plot. It doesn't work.
The episodes are obviously numbered 1234567. However, because of Force Awakens, the actual plot goes 123456(123)7. The part in parentheses is a sort of 'ghost trilogy', generated retroactively through the expository dialogue and flashbacks.
>>64297273
>Obama is a great president, people just hate him now because they want to be contrarian
>Undertale is a great game, people just hate it because they want to be contrarian
>TFU is a good star wars movie, everyone just hates it because they want to be contrarian
DIFFERENT BOARD. SAME FAGGOT.
>>64290834
>ELI5
yall posting in a reddit thread
>>64297383
sage advice, my friend.
>>64297353
Can't say i'm the same guy, i've never played undertale and have hated Obama since before he became president.
>>64297014
Don't forget they're also terried of capable women.
I know right, TFA was totally a rip off of ANH. It has a storm trooper turning traitor. Remember when they stole a ship in ANH? Well, they do it twice in TFA! Remember how pirates came and inadvertedly rescued our characters from the empire? Do you remember when Luke lost the duel to Vader and Obi-Wan was forced to fight him instead? Remember how Luke convinced R2D2 to give up the location of the secret rebel base? Remember when Luke could've sold R2 off to the Hutts? Remember when Luke showed an affinity to using the Force before destroying the death star in ANH?
Carbon copy! I don't see how anyone can say that TFA isn't a complete ripoff!
/sarcasm
>>64297494
>reddit shilling this hard for JewJew
>>64297304
That's fine, id recommend slogging through the first season of the clone wars animated series, it gets pretty good imo. But yea I'm not blind to the faults of the PT or the OT and I do like the OT best but I just don't hate the PT really. Though TFA is my least favorite unless they really save it with the next two movies. If they make it make sense it just might be better than aotc which is my second least favorite but I'll have to give it some time.
>>64297494
While you have found differences, there are explicit, long-lasting similarities with ANH that make up the majority of the film. The first act of both films has a droid runaway with plans on a desert planet that winds up right next to the new Jedi after being captured. The Jedi leaves in the MF.
Then,
There's another Death Star, they have to blow it up after escaping it. A main character dies.
These are striking similarities, and they make up a majority of the movie.
And now, your defense of Rey?
>>64297631
ughhhhh go back to /pol/
>>64297936
4chan being civil and reddit raging.
How do you like that?
