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Which is better?
TFA
It had good lead acting
>>64253882
Force Awakens.
Revenge is the second worst in the series.
>>64253882
Tough. Both are good but completely different films.
The Force Awakens is a solidly and competently made sci fi action with all around good characters, scenes, dialogue and music, however it possess very little memorable scenes, for it does not attempt to stand out. It is an overall good but not great movie.
Revenge of the Sith meanwhile, is the best prequel, where there is an enormous amount of conflict, drama and characterization revolving around the transformation of Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader, as well as the fall of the Republic and transformation into the dreaded evil Empire that we all know. It tries to stand out and does possess some memorable scenes. The movie is overall good, however it is flawed with clunky sometimes cringeworthy dialogue, bad acting, and excessively overused weak cgi.
I would give a very slight edge to ROTS because it has more heart poured into it, but TFA is more solid in terms of how it was made.
>>64253882
3 definitely has better memes, all 7 has yielded so far is TRAITOR and TELATTAKANJIKLUB
maybe if we give it 10 years...
>>64253909
When did acting in a Star Wars film become important?
>>64253882
Revenge of the Sith
Force awakens was good but that was it. There was not a single special or outstanding thing about it, whereas Revenge of the Sith certainly has its low points, but unlike TFA it has some pretty great high points that finally lived up to the potential greatness the prequels had.
In the final battle with Anakin and Obi Wan there was emotion, and there was tension. When Finn and Rey fought Kylo Ren it was a good fight but there was nothing special about it, no stand out moment, and most importantly, no fucking drama. ROTS was not perfect and it has some pretty awful parts but the good outweighs the bad and it certainly makes for a more enjoyable experience than watching TFA's bland effort.
>>64253882
it's irrelevant as neither is a good film.
but Sith is at least worth watching for the ideas and the decent plot arc. TFA is literally not worth bothering with.
>>64253926
>putting TPM above RotS
The Force Awakens, obviously.
>>64253882
reveng of the sith
both are garbage tho
>>64253882
ROTS.
It had more of an impact and serious feeling.
ANH > TESB > RotJ > TFA > RotS > TPM > AotC
>>64254310
FTFY
TESB > ANH > ROTJ > ROTS > TFA> TPM > AOTC
>>64254091
TFA took an old and recycled and unoriginal and shallow idea and made made it effectively, magical, fun, with good acting, dialogue, that's a joy to watch
ROTS took and interesting original and deeply developed idea and made it a a cringe worthy slow droll with awkward scenes, awkward monotone dialogue, had acting, and terrible pacing
>>64254310
this
with rotj and tfa being pretty close imo
>>64254248
>Putting cry baby Annie over Duel of the Fates
Three
>>64254197
Since someone decides not to gerrymander rules for classifying films.
TFA has CUTE
so TFA
Episode 3 had Sheev. Episode 7 had HAHA REMEMBER THAT FROM THE OT, THAT HAPPENED tier jokes.
Episode 3 is better, not even joking
>>64254341
What's Peepee supposed to signify, comfy?
>>64254365
Sorry, all films are not equal. A film series aping Republic Serials is not held to the same acting standard as Schindler's List.
>>64254334
>>64254353
Yeah, the order I gave is my personal opinion. This is the objective ranking.
Best Two:
ANH and TESB
Middle Three:
RotJ, RotS and TFA
Bottom Two:
TPM and AotC
Stick to those tiers in your order and you're totally fine by me.
>>64254399
Just look at Peypey's face. It's obviously:
>good
RotS easily
>>64254494
>millennials
>>64254513
> ROTS 2005
> TFA 2015
>>64254513
>Grandpas
I watched the OT first on casette tape as a child too
>>64254551
Different poster but I think he was getting at the fact that the people who grew up as the prequels came out defend them as the masterpieces.
Gonna go with Sith
Discuss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=335EHIGg9Xs
>>64254358
>implying Duel of the Fates didn't appear in both AotC and RotS
>>64254584
>>64254607
Yeah. Those 15-25 year olds on this board, think about how TFA felt weird and just plain wrong after growing up with the prequels.
That is how the rest of us felt about the prequels in comparison to the OT.
>>64254372
Natalie Portman is cuter than Daisy
>>64254392
Stop joking, is not even funny.
>>64254584
Who said anything about ROTS being a masterpiece? TFA is OT masturbatory trash. ROTS is flawed, but still a better film on concept alone.
>>64254686
Sorry, might've exaggerated. I just mean to say that nostalgia goggles affect 70s children and 90s children alike, that's all.
>>64254666
Funny enough I grew up with the OT. Episode 7 is shitty nostalgia bait
>>64254392
this
memes aside, Palpatine is the best character in the whole saga
7 had practical effects which ultimately looks better than cgi all over the place and may be better paced specially considered as a standalone movie. But it brought nothing new to the star wars universe aside from (until now) underdeveloped unidimensional characters (aside maybe from Ben), "star wars for the le new generation" and more tentacle porn.
3, on the other hand, brought the conclusion to a story that had already been developed two films before. So, even if its somewhat slow, it has more space for moments of its own and to tie some loose ends between prequels and OT.
In short, 7 is better as a standalone film but 3 brought more to the star wars universe
>>64254729
7 is a horrible standalone.
I can't even.
>>64254729
Episode 7 had some really bad practial effects.
The bird, and the portions guy to note.
They looked fucking awful, it was laughable.
>>64253882
TFA is only better than unedited clone wars. If you strip out the garbage romance subplot from TCW then TFA is the worst by far. Abrams can't into cinematography script or action. He's trash.
>>64253882
TFA obviously
>>64254613
>Ironically bad video
>>64254197
having characters that you care about is kinda linchpin of these movies
>>64254780
2/10 keep trying.
ROTS. It's even better than ANH, ROTJ, AOTC, and TPM.
>>64253882
I'll bite, fuck it
TFA. by fucking miles.
>>64254613
holy fuck thats hilarious
>TFA
>worse than prequels
Tfa by far.its on par with rotj
>>64254900
>>64254931
>thinking anyone cares about a non-Star Wars fan's opinion
>>64254866
I didn't say it looked bad overall, but it had some really stand out bad looking effects. I don't think portions guy even moved his fucking mouth.
>>64253882
Revenge of the Sith but both are far from perfect
>>64254720
>"I'm totally like 25 guys, I'm old and I grew up with the OT I swear."
TFA - 7/10
RotS - 6/10
>>64254970
goofy costume aliens arefun
>>64253882
They're equal in quality. Neither are good.
like that one copypasta says, "Episode 7 isn't even a Star Wars movies. It is a Marvel flick masquerading as one."
at least ROTS feels genuine
>>64254613
>If a new hope gets recycled, I'm gonna kill myself just like Kurt Cobain
Uh I got news for you buddy
>>64254999
My first Star Wars move was the original un altered on cassette I was like 4 maybe
>>64255002
TFA - 7.5/10
ROTS -= 7.7/10
>>64254780
>>64254970
>implying that wasn't the purpose
>implying the OT wasn't campy as fuck
lololol look at this kid
>>64254152
i hope you die in a vicious car accident
>>64254947
>Remake of New Hope with derivative, lazy story telling and a Mary Sue MC.
>Better than ROTJ
Kill yourself.
>>64255039
>millennials
>>64255026
Gotta admit it's kinda endearing, but it doesn't stop it from looking like fucking ass.
>>64254637
Suck shit, as if it were a dick
you faggot fuckfairy
ROTS has a god tier ost. TFA didn't have a memorable soundtrack.
>>64255099
stop this meme
TFA had a (mostly) competent plot and dialogue that let the actors breathe a bit of life into the characters.
RotS had better music and some neat action scenes (fuck everything that happened after Obi Wan and Anakin fell into the volcano though)
Overall, I had a better time watching TFA.
>>64255057
>"the prequels were my childhood! haters beware! hating the PT is a le reddit le meme!!"
>>64254965
A true patrician Star Wars fan would appreciate the exquisite piece of art that TFA awakens.
Prequels? Ha, throw it to the pigs.
>>64255039
>feels
This is what you say when you can't justify your shitty counter-culture opinions.
>>64255129
>millennials thinking they can get their way by calling something a meme
>>64255099
It doesn't feel like Star Wars.
The pacing was fucking terrible, the shots were completely different, almost all the humor was based on nostalgia bait, fuck the whole movie is nostalgia bait. That's literally the only reason I can someone liking it so much, nostalgia bait.
>>64255056
>If a new hope gets recycled, I'm gonna kill myself just like Kurt Cobain
>posted december 29th
hehehehe funny, I guess.
>>64254854
Are you arguing for or against TFA? The characters were marvel lite. Nothing memorable.
>>64255154
I guess you are right in that most patrician Star Wars fans are muh nostalgia manchildren that TFA pandered to in the absence of taking any kind of risk or new direction.
TFA is worse than all the original movies (being just a glossy greatest hits compilation of them anyway) and arguably worse than Episode III.
It was an offensively lazy film that did nothing but pander.
>>64255149
I don't even think the prequels OVERALL are above the OT.
ROTS easily.
>>64255180
Maybe.
The Force Awakens is the Rocky Balboa of Star Wars films
It's the exact same shit as the first one, done again but old, but its so charming that you don't care.
VII, though both are rather dull. III is more entertaining thanks to McDiarmid's scenery-chewing, but VII is much more competently assembled. Neither are very good.
>>64255148
>TFA had a competent plot
News to me.
>>64255220
>Nothing memorable.
as opposed to all the memorable characters in the prequels? the whole thing was like watching cardboard talking to cardboard (Sheev aside)
As formulaic as the characters in TFA felt at times, at least they were competently written. Who gave a fuck about Obi Wan, Anakin or Padme at any point in the prequels?
>>64255208
>"waah it doesn't FEEL like thuh OT even though the majority agrees it does :'("
>>64255244
No shit you fucking child.
>>64255289
>It's the exact same shit as the first one, done again but old, but its so charming that you don't care.
That's the entire Rocky Saga.
>>64255330
>lol what memorable characters
>aside from that one memorable character
great job anon
>>64255289
Yeah, come back in a year and tell us that. You're drunk on nostalgia, but I forgive you.
>>64255289
ITS ABOUT HOW HARD
YOU CAN GET HIT, AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD
>>64255312
It was just the plot of A New Hope with a few tweaks. They couldn't have played it any safer.
There's a lot to complain about in TFA, but I feel like you don't know what you're talking about.
>>64255302
>>64255249
>>64255312
>>64255242
>>64255096
>>64255029
>shit minority opinions
>>64255333
It's almost a direct remake, with the same elements, almost nothing original. Of course it's going to feel like Star Wars to you , you nostalgia deluded fuck.
>>64255073
Lighten up, anon.
>>64255330
TFA just came out. The characters will age like milk, I assure you. Especially, Kylo "Let the bodies hit the floor" Ren.
>>64255401
LETS START MAKING SOME HURTING BOMBS
>>64255370
>only actor that carried over to the OT minus shoved in R2 and 3po
IV - 10
V - 10
VI - 8.5
VII - 9
I - 8
II - 7
III - 6
Now these are just my opinions, but the idea of comparing the two films is laughable to me.
>>64255408
Tell me why TFA is better than ROTS
>>64255289
my feelings exactly
>>64255431
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!1
wew
The Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi >Revenge of the Sith >The Force Awakens > The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones
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>>64253882
TFA > TESB > AotC > RotS > ANH > RotJ > TPM
>>64255289
Balboa at least tackles its ridiculousness head on though and uses it to strengthen the plot.
>>64255487
That was literally you throughout the thread.
I liked the movie, but it's tied for the worst star wars along with episode 2 tbqh
>>64255408
Why is TFA better ROTS?
>>64255499
>Revenge of the Sith >The Force Awakens
Stop this meme and this thread.
>>64255457
IV - 9
V - 9
VI - 8
I - 5
II - 4
III - 6
VII - 7
imo.
>>64255447
Marvel makes inoffensive, marketable characters. Avengers have been around for half a decade now and plebs still eat them up.
TFA was competent. That's pretty much all it took to beat the Prequels.
>>64255499
swap the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones and I agree 100%
>>64255530
lol
>>64255543
>literally
wew teen wew
>>64255289
Rocky 6 was fucking glorious nostalgia bait though
Star wars is just too precious to fuck with
>>64255554
characters, dialogue and plot
also goofy aliens costumes
Episode 3 hands down. No bullshit super weapon and no gay ass lightsaber and less plot holes than a sieve which is what tfa is
>>64255470
>>64255554
lol if you can't see that for yourself you have garbage minority opinions.
>>64255577
Nice shitposting.
>>64255561
>>64255457
IV - 7
V - 7
VI - 6
I - 4
II - 3
III - 4
VII - 4
IMO
>>64255559
>everyone who disagrees with me is memeing!!!!
If you can't handle contrary opinions fuck off to Reddit, a hugbox where everyone with dissenting views gets downvoted into oblivion
>>64255606
>gay ass lightsaber
>Ren's lightsaber design makes the most sense out of any in the series
Can't discern the rest really
>>64255451
https://youtu.be/_snO6S64pDg
ROCKY TRAINING MONTAGE RANKINGS
1>4>6>3>2>>>>>>>>>>Tommy gunns bullshit
>>64253882
I must reiterate..... Your mom was the better ride
>>64254900
sup reddit
>>64255626
>>64255626
imo you take things too seriously and probably aren't fun to watch movies with.
>>64255562
Competent doesn't mean memorable or good. This film has no staying power. Everyone was so desperate to get the prequel taste out of their mouth that they would cling to anything with OT overtones. Judging the film by its own merits it's derivative trash of the highest order.
>>64255622
>getting this buttblasted
>even replying
wew
>>64255670
sup reddit
>>64255289
1, Balboa and Creed are genuinely emotional and well-written films.
>>64255611
> liking TFA over ROTS
pleb
>>64255676
Hey, man, my average rating is 5/10. If yours is higher, that's nice, but it's also misrepresentative.
>>64255457
V - 9
IV - 8.5
VI - 8
VII - 7.5
III - 7.5
1 - 6
2 - 4
>>64255684
A New Hope was competent too. Competent movies put asses in seats.
>>64255559
After you're done picking the popcorn out of your teeth you'll eventually see it that way. TFA was a glossy remake and featured disappointingly lazy characters and storytelling. I was so let down. Its big positive was Harrison Ford, who did a great job. I also liked Poe.
>>64255571
Menace was better. At least it had Liam Neeson and the set up with the Trade Federation and Palpy manipulating the senate to start the chain of dominoes was at least pretty intriguing.
Get rid of Jar Jar and cast someone a little less punchable and snot nosed in the role of Anakin and it had the potential to be a very solid entry.
>>64255735
>millennial
pleb
>>64255684
All Star Wars is derivative you pleb. The whole thing is a simple homage to action serials.
You really don't know what you're talking about.
>>64255787
>memeing
Pleb
>>64255829
>People are so desperate to defend TFA that they'll stick up for blatant plagiarism.
What is this world coming to?
>>64255754
I'd say V and IV are both 9's, everything else decent.
>>64255457
>I - 8
>>64255865
>talks about memes
>is a millennial
plab
>>64255935
pleb* whoops
The prequels are infused with a bold vision of artistic profundity that eclipses the likes of generic sci-fi movies of recent times. The streamlining process that has begun to creep into the production of every slightly sci-fi-y tinged movie has created an amorphous blob of mediocrity and blandness. The prequels deliver a basic premise of good vs. evil but do it so by utilizing characters that are endowed with humanity. Aside from the storytelling aspect the prequels stand strong on all fronts, from writing, cinematography and set pieces that truly immerse you into a fantastic world full of wonder and awe. It is infinitely unfortunate that this behemoth of a film project is marred by the majority of the populace's inability to assess the genius and lack of intelligence. One can only hope that in eons to come, evolution will have worked in ways as to ensure and maximize the distribution of the gene that thrives in the intellectual minority of our time so that future generations and civilizations will be able to grasp the grandeur of the prequels and see behind the masquerading illusion that is reddit.
I have about as much respect for The Force Awakens as I do for the dog shit on my shoe.
It is reddit, it is capeshit, it is cheeto dust, it is video games. It's nothing more than memes enjoyed by simplistic pledditors. I have ZERO respect for people who are not free thinkers and blindly enjoy the reddit memes that comprise Cuck Wars: The Search for More Money.
I'm literally screaming, slamming my arms on my desk right now just thinking about it.
>>64254341
Nailed it
>>64255935
>not a millenial
Pleb
>>64255289
>thinking Marvel age Disney is charming
Jesus how low does your IQ have to be to enjoy this shit? If a science fiction movie requires you to turn your brain off to enjoy it then it's a terrible entry in the genre.
>>64255403
no New Hope actually makes sense old ben ramblings aside.
TFA wasted its villains harder than PM wasted Darth Maul
Hux got no screen time
Kylo is a failure
Captain ChromeTits didn't do ANYTHING
I honestly see the movies as almost the same in levels of quality.
>>64255934
Movie's dope.
>>64255289
>implying creed wasn't re-igniting a series for millenials in the most effective way possible
What the fuck is there to like about RotS? The writing is bad, the acting aside from Obi and Sheev is bad, the action is boring, the set pieces are uninteresting, the plot is laughable.
It's more original than TFA, but its a much worse movie in every regard.
>>64256297
>>64256323
Seems reddit is down again.
>>64256134
but they are villains in all 3 movies you moron
its like complaining that vader got wasted because he failed in ANH
TFA is disney star wars for casuals
>>64253882
3 undeniably
>>64253909
You can't unironically think Ridley was good, she's cute, but sucks shit at acting
Unless you consider Finn to be the lead
>>64254686
>still a better film on concept alone
>a concept is all it takes for a film to be better
hello liberals
The Prequel Trilogy Universe >>>>>>> TFA Universe
The movies are a mess but at least they have neat details and there is some creativity flowing in the world that made them interesting by default.
TFA was a better movie than the bunch, but the world itself is just so bland and just a marvelfied version of episode 4.
>>64256515
TFA is literally SJW the movie.
>>64256353
There was only one villain in ANH that actually does shit and lives to see another day.
TFA supposedly has 3 villains of which we only see one which ends up disgraced, beaten and probably dead (probably the chick storm trooper died too?). Maul was also only given one fighting sequence then gets cut in half.
They are pretty equal and both really good, but TFA edges it out by a hair.
Episode 3 was great. It's strong point is that it is so obviously better than the other prequels and fit in neatly with the OT unlike the others. It's also pretty hard to fuck up the climax of Darth Vader becoming Darth Vader when everyone is looking forward to it. Episode 1 and 2 were just shitty buildups to 3, which is why they sucked so much and why 3 was so good.
Episode 7 was also good. It has the best storytelling and cinematography of any Star Wars film while still staying quintessentially Star Wars. Since it's been so long since 6, they had to introduce fresh characters, which they did well at memes aside, except for Kylo Ren. It had much, much less CGI than the prequels, while still retaining classic Star Wars chestnuts, resulting in a more genuine and authentic Star Wars. All while bringing back all of the main characters fans know and love, resulting in a truly great film. Something about the cinematic experience of TFA puts it above Sith, even though they are both good. Sith doesn't get enough credit, and TFA is only 2% better than it.
>>64255408
>i follow the majority opinions
loving those circlejerks eh?
>>64256583
>Kylo
>probably dead
Are you retarded?
>>64256653
>It's also pretty hard to fuck up the climax of Darth Vader becoming Darth Vader when everyone is looking forward to it.
Did you actually enjoy Anakin being retarded and a child killer
>except for Kylo Ren
fuck off tard
>>64256675
How did they save him in the middle of nowhere in like 10 seconds before the planet exploded?
>>64255781
Harrison was good, your right. Also, Poe was the one new character who felt like a human fucking being.
I wouldn't necessarily have gotten rid of Jar Jar, I'd probably do that whole "he's secretly a sith lord" thing without really revealing it until the end of AotC.
>people seriously debating this
TFA is competently made at the very least. It's not shot like a stageplay, the acting is good, the ground battles are well staged, it has a descent mise-en-scene. Even a mildly serviceable movie is better than the worst of the prequels.
>>64256672
>edgy contrarian opinions
>>64256653
This is some titanic sized bait, holy shit
>>64256653
>except for Kylo Ren.
LITERALLY THE ONLY GOOD CHARACTER IN THE NEW MOVIE YOU FAGGOT
>>64256743
People like you are the worst.
>>64254341
FIXED. DON'T THANK ME.
>>64256760
>opinions i dont agree with are "edgy" and "contrarian"
two of reddits favorite words
you suck at this, redditor.
>>64256799
Hello reddit!
ESB > ANH >> ROTJ >> TFA > ROTS >>TPM >>>>>>>> AOTC
>>64256743
>g-george lucas raped my childhood :D
go away redditor
>>64256799
swap Genndy Clone Wars with TFA
>>64256789
Episode III is one of the worst movies of its caliber. People in my theater were literally laughing during what was supposed to be its emotional climax.
>>64256807
>le reddit meme
>le fedora meme
>le prequels were good meme
wew crymoar EU fanboy wew
>>64256817
>the prequels were good
This meme has gone on for too long tbqh
George Lucas
>spaced out the series so it would maintain its hype factor in the public eye
>gave birth to LucasArts, producing great vidya
>introduced great non-film spin offs in the EU like Heir to the Empire
>films have poetry while consistently introducing new stuff so it wouldn't be aping of the OT
Disney
>marvelized the series, producing annual movies until franchise fatigue sets in
>killed LucasArts, outsources vidya to EA if not cheap mobileshit
>rendered the EU non-canon yet copies from it for the new movies
>films lack poetry and rather copies the OT in every possible way
>>64256653
this
sith only gets credit because it's an easy continuation into a new hope. TFA had to start a whole new universe/trilogy and still rekt all the prequels and empire strikes back, the clear worst of the OT
>>64255499
I can dig it. RotS is a lot of fun, much more so than ANH.
The prequels were much better written, they had actual characters and story, not a bunch of memes and one-liners that lack any emotion or coherence. Luke is a cliched everyboy "hero" that goes through an absurdly rapid transformation between the fifth and the sixth episodes. Anakin's emotional instability and his exposure as a psychopath are gripping; and his doomed relationship with Padme is touching. In the "original trilogy" Han, Leia, Darth Vader and Obi Wan are complete meme characters, nothing about them is remotely believable or human. And why doesn't anyone care about deaths in those movies? Leia's planet destruction, Luke's stepparents' death, all of the blown up rebels--the list could go on--all the deaths are forgotten moments later.
As for direction, the movies from the "original trilogy" were mostly incoherent, badly edited and full of logical problems. The prequel trilogy is a work of a "vulgar auteur".
I feel neutral about the series overall, and honestly don't care about trolling or contrarianism. Here are my sincere rankings:
1. "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones"
2. "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace"
3. "Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith"
4. "Star Wars"
5. "The Empire Strikes Back"
6. "Return of the Jedi"
7.
8. "The Force Awakens"
Episode 7 isn't even a Star Wars movies. It is a Marvel flick masquerading as one.
TFA is just ANH with like 10 new major plot holes added, improved CGI, a nigger C3PO, a ball shaped R2, an even girlish Luke bad actres, a goofy looking Vader and a dozen other characters no one cares about.
What is itnotto like?
>>64253882
Revenge of the Sith
>god-tier soundtrack
>saw it when I was a little kid, so nostalgia helps me overlook all the movie's flaws
Kylo Ren is the coolest character in the SW universe
Prove me wronf
>>64256965
You honestly thought the prequels were all better than any of the originals?
.....wow.
>>64257046
he's gay
Is this thread b8 or what?
I can't tell if you're actually serious that III is any good or possibly better than any of the movies in this tired series.
>>64256965
>the prequels [...] had actual characters [...]
Worst bait ever
>>64253882
The Force Awakens.
>>64253882
Poster-wise I honestly can't believe they didn't go with painted posters.
>>64253882
Episode 3
>believable character development
>ends well
To be honest, it should have ended with Vader breathing in his first breath.
>>64257056
it's pasta
>>64257360
>>believable character development
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
>>64257360
>believable character development
>>64253882
V ≥ IV > VI >>> III > I >>> II ≈ VII
>do the math
>>64254970
The portions guy was completely CG though.
>>64257634
1 < 2 < 3 < 6 < 7 < 5 < 4
>>64257667
It was Simon Pegg in a costume. I think that only the face was CG.
>>64256515
you're a confused mate
>>64257360
Padme: I don't wanna live
*dies*
>>64256927
>TFA had to start a whole new universe
>better than empire
holy shit, look at this retard
>>64254686
Shakespeare only wrote remakes. It doesn't fucking matter that the plot is a rehash, what matters is how well the film itself is made.
>>64257245
am I the only one that thinks the lightsabers looked better in this film compared to TFA?
Revenge of the Sith is better by fucking miles.
TFA is just a shitty version of ANH.
>>64254421
this.
>>64257960
Yes, you're the only one. The lightsabers in TFA actually emit light that reflect off the actors and environments
>>64258066
take a look at the dooku picture are tell me there isn't a red/blue light being emitted on his face
Prequels are not canon anymore, thank god.
>>64258066
They started to fix it by episode III, but even then the light they emit is inconsistent. You can tell that they aren't using objects with a real lighting source, unlike pic related. Look how red Kylo's arm is, and how blue Finn's face is.
Revenge of the Sith
>Better, more original, story
>Better casting
>Better world Building
>Better fights
>Better antagonists
>Clones and Droids
The Force Awakens
>Better CGI
>Better Sound
>Kylo
Sith wins.
>>64254613
>78 views
fuck off
>>64258236
reply to>>64258110
>>64258244
>Better casting
>Better fights
>Better antagonists
>Clones and Droids as a pro
>>64258244
>>Better casting
>>Better fights
Why would you say this when you know it's wrong?
>>64258244
>TFA
>Better CGI
LOL
Should have said Practical Effects as a plus.
>>64254341
I don't get what each thing is supposed to symbolize, qualitywise.
>>64256583
>>64256134
Kylo Hux and even Chrometits survive. I don't fucking know how she survived, but I guess her action figure did well in focus groups.
I will admit that it would have been cool if Tarkin could have survived the death star somehow. Or maybe it would have been dumb but I want more Tarkin.
>>64258297
>>64258309
Say what you want about the prequels, but they had god tier casting. Way better than TFA by miles. Also yes, it has better antagonists. You have to by a delusional man baby to say otherwise.
>>64257360
>>believable character development
>>64258522
I mean, Sheev is a legitimately good character, and Christopher Lee is fucking Christopher Lee. Anakin talks and acts like Elliot Rodger.
>>64258522
>Lee
>Hayden
>Hersh
>good casting
literally TWO good casting choices in THREE MOVIES
>>64258623
Faggot please, if the prequels did anything right it was casting choices. Pretty much every casting choice was great, even Hayden.
>>64258683
Lee was absolute trash, Mace was a fucking joke, Hayden was bad, Portman was a joke (though the least bad of the bad ones)
the only good choices mentioned over and over are Sheev and Obi for a reason
>>64258683
The only thing the prequels did of note regarding acting is to get terrible performances out of exceptionally talented people
>>64258683
confirmed for not knowing what acting is.
>>64258522
Visually, yes. Acting wise? Hayden and Natalie aren't suited for conventional roles like go. Take a look at their other movies and their more stellar performances are with characters that are much more grounded in the real world (They can't be blamed though since they were casted in the early portion of their careers). Samuel L. Jackson suffers a similar problem; he performs best when he's completely losing his shit but was casted as a wise man.
Lee could have been feeling but was wasted in playing a shoe-horned villain (we didn't even know what he was casted to play as considering his character is such a piece of wood).
Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor are the only two casting choices that are absolutely on point.
>>64258909
*Allegedly* Hayden could do a more convincing Anakin, but Lucas Lucased and took the emotion out of it.
>>64258968
Yeah, I remember hearing this and also remember watching a video about Lucas telling Hayden to change his acting for the role. Wish I could find it.
>>64258968
I've heard about that and I wouldn't be surprised either. If Anakin started as more of a charismatic wisecracker than a whiner, the movies would have worked a lot better.
VI > V > I > II > VII > IV > III
>>64253882
If I could only watch one for the rest of my life it would be III.
>>64258968
sheev awakens his cock in anakin's sandpipe to farm his moisture and pump him full of midichlorians
>>64259037
STOP
>>64254721
Yes, and he still couldn't make Episode III watchable.
Truth is TFA was borderline trash. It was a remake of the original but with the intent of appealing to progressive America consisting of muh-strong-independent-women, muh-moral black guy, muh evil white supremacists.
Basically a transgendered Luke and a black Solo.
>>64253882
TFA and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking retard.
>>64256653
Was Vaders character so important he deserved a whole prequel dedicated to him?
>>64256922
>the picture
I know it's bait but I gulped it.
>>64259872
What do you think, he's hands down the most popular Star Wars character
TFA but by a small margin
>>64254152
I'll give you 1/2 portion for that meme
>>64254152
daily reminder 7 took traitor from 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ESOrF_u1hg
>>64253882
TFA DESU
>>64260312
The way Ian McDiarmid sang "unlimited" is glorious.
Does TFA have Battle of the Heroes?
https://youtu.be/tIl7-rDOuTM
>>64260668
yea this guy is such a based actor that lucas wanted him to play sheev 16 years after doing so in rotj
it's too bad jj didnt let andy serkis show off his character some more, he's forced to play 2nd to kylo
Let's start seeing some numbers
http://strawpoll.me/6401336
>>64260950
How could John Williams continuously deliver on the PT score and yet his product for TFA was total trash?
did JJ/Disney neuter him?
>>64261008
John Williams isn't Daft Punk
Mistake #1
>>64261008
It's been more than a decade since Revenge of the Sith. Williams is in his eighties now, he's old and has lost a step as a composer.
>>64261133
>They thought they could rehash Williams too
HAH
JOKES ON THEM
GET FUCKED SHILLSNEY
>>64256711
how can Snoke train a dead body?
>>64261191
He can train Rey who is more powerful and has proved Kylo is just an incompetent wimp, he also still has Domhnall Gleeson who seems to be more focused than the spoiled brat.
>>64260312
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little TRAITOR? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the First Order and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on the New Republic, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in baton warfare and I’m the top trooper in of Captain Phasma’s armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another traitor. I will wipe you the fuck out with spins the likes of which have never been seen before in this galaxy, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Comms? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Sith across space and your BB-8 unit is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, TRAITOR. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred spins, and that’s just with my baton. Not only am I extensively trained in baton combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the First Order Strormtrooper Battalion and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of Jakku, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” betrayal was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking blaster but you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn TRAITOR. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, TRAITOR.
3 because of Sidious alone
>>64261340
Hux isn't a Force user. He does seem to be the one in charge of the First Order militarily, though.
EPVII > EPV > EPVI > EPIII > EPIV > EPII > EPI
>>64261734
If so, that's the stupidest thing in the movie. "Our generals a whiny bitch"
>>64253926
Nah, Revenge is the worst.
Do the people who constantly praise Revenge of the Sith even remember it or is this another retarded reddit meme?
>>64261890
you clearly didnt watch Attack of the Clones
>>64261958
>HAH HAH HAH MUH SHEEV MEMES AND HYPERANALYZED QUOTES
fuck off autist shit
>>64254341
Where is Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor?
>>64261734
Why does he even need the Vader wannabe at this point? He obviously failed the test and got his ass kicked by his cousin or whatever, just go after the chick which is obviously more powerful.
I can't compare the prequels to TFA. The prequels are clearly very profoundly flawed films, but the artistry, craft and vision behind them is truly admirable. TFA is the complete opposite, being highly enjoyable and mostly competent but also a soulless endeavour with none of the integrity of the rest of the saga.
The things the prequels did well are way greater than anything TFA accomplished, but it's pretty hard to reconcile that with how incredibly terrible the acting/dialogue/CGI is.
>>64261958
It's generation Z, really. The kids who grew up with Episode III as THE Star Wars movie are getting nostalgia boners for it now.
Everyone else knows Revenge of the Sith is as bad if not worse than Attack of the Clones.
>>64262037
>prequels
>not a soulless endeavor
Hi, reddit!
>>64262040
Same kids that are praising that abortion of a movie Force Awakens because it was their first Star Wars premier party.
>>64262037
The prequels were good ideas with terrible execution, TFA is just a reboot of the OT with some new characters and special effects, it's just like the special editions but taken to a whole new level, old fans will nitpick over the stupidest of things but it's basically just a major face lift to appeal to the younger audiences that grew up learning to hate the prequels, are used to Michael Bay's over the top special effects and JJ's mindless action.
>>64253882
GOING WITH TFA
>>64261958
>>64262040
Revenge of the Sith was the least worse of the prequels, some get that mixed up and think that somehow means it is a good stand alone movie.
>>64256323
>action is boring
opinion discarded
Ewan Mcgregor is a main character in ROTS so I'll go with that one.
>>64256583
>Maul was also only given one fighting sequence then gets cut in half
confirmed for not watching in over a decade he had 2
While Attack of the Clones is the worst of the prequels - you can atleast see what he was attempting. The first half is basically neo-noir space detective.
Revenge just felt like everyone had given up at that point.
>>64253882
Episode 3 is not good.
TFA is sucking shit. It fucking raped the lore and made the force a joke.
Okay, why am I getting massive Jaina and Jacen vibes from both Rey and Ben?
I know they probably "borrowed" the story for Ben from Jacen, but why do I feel like a revelation is coming for Rey similar to Jaina?
>>64262326
The desert fight barely counts, it was more like a short teaser.
The actual fight only happened at the end.
>Phasma is on the post but Hux isn't
JUST
>>64262380
How did it make the force a joke, you nigger?
>>64256799
thanks and checked
>>64262408
I'm assuming he means how it just works for rey whereas Luke really had to work at it.
>>64262408
>hurr durr I can just le think about it and it will le awaken in me and I can do kewl powers as I go along
>>64262408
I'll throw my blaster too.
>>64262385
It's all recycled shit, even the Vong will return for the next movies for fuck sake
>>64262408
>kylo ren has had training with luke and snoke is powerful enough to read minds from just about anyway, freeze people, quick enough to freeze a blaster shot, yet cant read the mind of some scavenger girl who until like the dsay before thought the force and the jedi were a myth, had to actually work to get rid of finn who had just had his first mission a few days earlier so he can't be very experienced in combat
>finn using a lightsaber at all
>rey using a lightsaber at all with no training
>hey if all else fails we'll just use the force
While the prequels were shit, I will miss Yoda explaining all the mysticism and powers about the force. He gave it a bit of depth desu.
>>64262524
What's the problem with her being a Mary Sue? It's not like it's out of the realm of possibility in the SW universe.
Also "The Force™" was already raped to a practical joke in the prequels so get over it already, Disney still hasn't stated they are no longer canon.
>>64262646
>What's the problem with her being a Mary Sue
it's entirely uninteresting, unrelatable, and clearly a product of shoehorned feminist agendas
next
>>64262393
The teaser was awesome though because it establishes him as a badass. Then when he comes on next you know he's going to be badass again, but then he rads it up even more with the second blade. TFA completely fucked up by establishing Kylo as a badass by saying he youngling slayed the temple and usurped luke and showed him off with his never seen on screen before force powers, then he loses to a newb.
>Objective Quality Ranking
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones
>Raw Entertainment Value
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. The Force Awakens
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones
I've always felt that judging the Star Wars saga seriously is a bit foolish because even the best movies are just space soap operas.
Attack of the Clones is the only one I actually have trouble watching just for fun
>>64262408
a non force sensitive nigger competently using a lightsaber in a fight for one
>>64262524
>kylo ren has had training with luke and snoke is powerful enough to read minds from just about anyway, freeze people, quick enough to freeze a blaster shot, yet cant read the mind of some scavenger girl who until like the dsay before thought the force and the jedi were a myth, had to actually work to get rid of finn who had just had his first mission a few days earlier so he can't be very experienced in combat
If I thought I was the only force user left and suddenly someone puts up even the slightest resistance I expect I'd be shaken up a bit, which is all it takes to lose control in the situation
>finn using a lightsaber at all
Yeah, but watch his form. He uses it like an axe, clearly not very skilled. Kylo is just too injured during that fight to do much (and still disarms him pretty rapidly)
>rey using a lightsaber at all with no training
See above, but also she has the ~Force~
>hey if all else fails we'll just use the force
Literally the plot gimmick of every SW movie
>>64262646
it shit's on the lore and the other movies.
>found out about the force today
>lets try mind control this trooper
>shit that didnt work haha
>ill try again
>oh and drop your gun haha the force lolz
NO TRAINING
nah fuck you and it
>>64262524
>prequel logic
That shit is out the window.
The force has returned to its original form from the OT.
You don't need to spend years training with the force to be proficient with it anymore. You either have it or you don't, and even if you do, you're not a walking tank just because you have it.
>>64262733
>You either have it or you don't, and even if you do, you're not a walking tank just because you have it.
Did someone give Rey the memo?
>>64262730
>>hey if all else fails we'll just use the force
>Literally the plot gimmick of every SW movie
I was quoting finn saying something along those lines to Han.
>>64262765
>Did someone give Rey the memo?
Did you watch the movie?
She realizes she has it at the beginning of the third act.
Snoke and Kylo even have a conversation about this afterward confirming it.
>>64262733
even luke had training before he even used a lightsaber in battle, and couldnt mind control people the day he found out about the force
>>64262733
>The force has returned to its original form from the OT.
Not really. Luke was with Yoda for a couple of weeks and could barely float rocks competently. Rey goes from unbeliever to mind tricks in like an arvo.
All the prequel babbies in this thread that think you need excessive "training" to be proficient in the force.
Prequel logic is a cancer on this series and even though TFA goes out of its way to distance itself from the prequels you kids are still using prequel logic to back up complaints about "muh lack of training".
It's like you've never watched the original trilogy.
>>64262663
>uninteresting, unrelatable, and clearly a product of shoehorned feminist agendas
That's more a problem of perspective on your behalf rather than a flaw of the movie. All female leads nowadays are Mary Sue like characters to compensate for their lack of innate physical strength, intelligence, etc, it's basically the new trend. Just like fast paced action flicks that don't let you catch your breath and think about the plot for a second is also becoming a trend.
You need to judge things for what they are in accordance to their context (TFA is just a modern reboot), not for what you wish they were.
>>64262524
Rey clearly has a high midichlorian count. Now take your Domestos, nigger.
>>64262854
>excessive "training"
no, SOME training. How did Rey even know about jedi mind tricks? She's been stuck on not-Dantooine her whole life and everyone thinks the jedi and luke were a myth
>>64262854
Is Shadows of the Empire still considered official canon? I know Lucas treated it on par with the movies. That makes the time for proficiency about 6 months.
>>64262765
>>64262836
>>64262846
I'm starting to believe that posts like these come from people who have never seen the original movie.
Luke had roughly as much force training as Rey did when he USED THE FORCE TO DESTROY THE DEATH STAR
>>64262668
He's a noob himself dropping tantrums with his lightsabre whenever he gets frustrated, that's the whole point of his character. He's not supposed to be the cool looking evil dude with a mask that is a badass and nothing else, that's just a facade that lasts for like 10 minutes before turning into a whiny little bitch.
>>64262898
>Luke had roughly as much force training as Rey did when he USED THE FORCE TO DESTROY THE DEATH STAR
the force had literally nothing to do with Luke destroying the death star
Stop trying to be a history revisionist
Hahhaha
If Rey were a male, nobody would be calling him a Mary Sue or Gary Stu or whatever
Literally the only people who care are the maladjusted 14-year-old boys on this website
I'm sorry you're afraid of cooties or that girl you like won't fuck you or you're from some backwards country where you bang rocks together and spend all your time policing what women do, but none of that is the film's problem
>>64262892
>SOME training
Why?
Because you say so?
Luke had roughly as much exposure to the force when he used it to save the rebels at the end of the original film.
>>64262898
>USED THE FORCE TO DESTROY THE DEATH STAR
That was just give in to intuition and not explicitly controlling the force. The force didn't make the shot go in.
>>64262892
You mean Tatooine
Also Jabba, on fuckin' Tatooine, knew about Jedi mind tricks. Why wouldn't Rey?
>>64262708
It's shown that Storm troopers are trained into using electric batons for riot control, a lightsaber wouldn't be that much different, and even then he uses it for like a few seconds before losing it twice so he's not competent at all.
>>64262932
sure they would, and it'd be equally a uninteresting - guess who had flaws and interesting character development?
Kylo
>>64262920
I understand that and it makes Kylo a more interesting character, but it doesn't work because the whole jedi temple backstory. I don't understand how JJ can fuck up ctrl c ANH
>>64262960
Jabba is old as fuck and already knew about the jedi
>>64262922
>the force had literally nothing to do with Luke destroying the death star
Are you fucking retarded?
>>64262858
>You need to judge things for what they are in accordance to their context
I am judging it for what it was, an unoriginal, uninspired poor excuse for a plot, filled with fan service to constantly remind you that you are watching a Star Wars movie. It had poor character pacing who all of a sudden have an instant firm grasp on plot points that took previous characters years to understand.
>>64262960
Are you fucking joking? Jesus do you know what/who Jabba is? Holy fuck thi thread
>>64262972
Guess who doesn't? Most make action stars. Sorry you have no idea about context
>>64262960
Jabba was around when the Jedi order was still strong. Of course he knew of the Jedi and their powers.
>>64262959
>That was just give in to intuition and not explicitly controlling the force
Jesus Christ. You're just denying the facts at this point.
Luke, Vader, and Ben all make it abundantly clear that Luke uses the force to destroy the death star.
>>64263007
Hmmm, did I imply most 'make' action film characters were interesting?
Nope.
Go to bed, this shit is over your head.
>>64262971
He doesn't chop his own limbs off. A light saber is like swinging a flashlight around no amount of traditional melee training would be applicable.
>>64262922
>the force had literally nothing to do with Luke destroying the death star
You... you have seen Star Wars...
right?
RIGHT?
>>64262731
Dude, Luke was trained for like 10 minutes by Obi-Wan and he ended up destroying the Death Star with the force, Anakin wasn't even trained and yet he also managed to blew up the doughnut ship while "playing around", Rey was also playing around with his new powers as she probably heard of the mind controlling tricks from the old fart that got beheaded in Jakku.
It's all within the realm of possibility, there's no shitting anywhere.
I can give you that some of the Disney-branded jokes are absolutely obnoxious at times but at the end they don't break anything.
>>64263070
it just made his reflexes better than anyone else. Also why Rey is such a good pilot
>>64262733
>>64262854
>>64262898
>>64262932
>>64262952
bravo disney revisionist brainwashing
they will accept any remakes to the force concepts that we choose as long as we give them a little of muh nostalgia attached to it
>>64262730
Retard response. You are reaching far enough to jerk me off with that. "What?!?! This girl can use the force even though I've personally witnessed other force students?! I better lose my shit over it!"
And that injured thing is cow shit on a burger. Watch the fight, he's clearly toying with them both right up until maRey sue activates force god mode. Fuck, even Luke had Obi Wan saying shit to guide him along "let go, Luke"
>>64263110
Luke and Anakin didn't use force powers or defeat and edgelord nonsith
>>64263111
He disables the targeting computer and purely uses the force to hit the thermal exhaust port.
>>64263058
That electric baton they use seems like it would be quite painful if you came into direct contact with it, yet they swing it around to show of like nothing.
>>64263240
like I said, better reflexes
>>64263240
this.
There is no lightsaber training.
That only exists in the PT.
We are back to honing in force skills.
Same reason the ultra coreagraphed fast fights are gone and staying gone.
>>64263278
Same way the force is used to be better at using a saber than someone else.
Say... someone else that is seriously injured.
>>64262981
He's an edgelord that kills people but in the end is just an insecure faggot that should be in a mental hospital rather than bossing people around
>>64263149
I don't recall Luke taking fencing lessons
>>64263198
They did use force powers, the freaking force is literally everything you want it to be. In the case of Luke and Anakin they activated super-luck and telekinesis, in the case of Rey she activated her god mode.
>>64263398
>activated super-luck
kek, ok I accept that but when did they use telekinesis
>>64263111
>why Rey is such a good pilot
Because she's a self-trained pilot that has nothing better to do than to play flight simulators. Also because it's a established Skywalker trait.
>>64263429
Luke did it at the Yeti cave to get his lightsabre, it is implied Anakin also did it to win the pod-race.
>>64263540
>Luke did it at the Yeti cave to get his lightsabre
I know that we were talking about their first movie where he destroys the death star.
>implied Anakin also did it to win the pod-race.
wat
>>64263601
I was talking about all the instances where they use the force without "knowing" how to use it.
You could also argue he guided the torpedoes with his mind (including doing that 90 degree turn) since he turned off his "targeting computer", but I'm not so sure about that one.
>>64263678
Dude, just shut up. Why would they launch an attack that required precision 90 degree turns? It even looks like the torpedo falls I altitude before going in. Plus the other guy who shot (almost there!) almost hit it too.
I think it's pretty obvious the forces influence here was minimal, because it helped Luke do something that was possible, but really difficult. Rey beating a sith lord, is fucking impossible, given what we've been told about her, and everything we can realistically infer about her.
>>64263795
That's why I said I'm not sure about that one, some people speculate the targeting system was flawed due to that turn so the mission was destined to fail from the beginning, only Luke could have made that shot with the aid of the force. But whatever, I don't care about such speculation.
On the other hand Rey beating the shit out of some emotionally unstable and deadly injured wimp after getting some confidence and a "Force" bump is not impossible at all, realistically we only see some wannabe Vader edgelord with delusions of grandeur but which is basically just a whiny little bitch that gets hit by a fucking Sasquatch for being distracted, gets almost beaten by a nigger and ends up getting his ass kicked by a girl. He's no Sith Lord, he's a fucking travesty.
