>Death Star took 29 years to complete, with the complete (if slightly smaller than at peak) Empire building it, and all the infrastructure / resources that implies
>Its destruction makes the Empire seriously hurt, losing massive amounts of its forces, suggesting that it was a massive investment>But the First Order can complete a project 10 times the size without any of this support lol
>>64126543
if it takes 29 years how did they make a second one in time for RotJ?
>>64126543
And with two twenty-somethings in charge, riiiight.
They should have just had the final act aboard a Star Destroyer. It would have had the same impact and be less ridiculous.
>>64126543
>inb4 Death Star 2
I'm pretty sure Death Star 2 was being built a bit before empire strikes backs events, and after the months between it and jedi (enough time for like to get better and lando to infiltrate jabbas palace), it was like 65-70% done at best
>>64126565
They doubled their efforts, remember?
>>64126543
29 years to complete? It was already like half way done by the end of ROTS
>>64126622
I hope so commander, for your sake. Sheev is not as forgiving as I am
>>64126656
Sheev is much like myself, but absent my merciful nature and sense of fair play.
>>64126543
>Death Star took 29 years to complete
Prequels shit. Non canon anymore.
They made the second one in 3 years.
Starkiller Base is quite possible cheaper and easier to build since it has no gigantic reactor and uses a planet as it's skeleton.
>>64126757
>Starkiller Base is quite possible cheaper and easier to build since it has no gigantic reactor and uses a planet as it's skeleton.
It draws an entire star into itself through a giant port.
Its not like its just a surface installation
>>64126543
>29 years
Were the fuck did you take that number from?
It's 20 years.2
>>64126543
Why is starkiller base considered a better idea than like 3 Death Stars? I mean, to make a star killer you must:
>find a planet
>find a planet that is by a star
>terra form it and pretty much change the planet itself
>somehow try and make it mobile (I assume it is, the first order can't be that stupid)
>
When it
>takes more to fire than a Death Star
>has a slower laser
>>64126565
They were built side by side derps. Production times overlapped.
>>64126850
JJ and his fucking red matter shit again, 1 death star didn't even need to suck in a sun there's literally no point in starkiller base except to make the end scene cool when it all goes dark
>>64126597
Death Star II is actually a fuckload bigger than the first one, from memory
>>64126795
>absorbs stars
You're thinking of the Star Crusher, which only appears in the expanded universe.
>>64126622
heh
>>64126655
And at the beginning of a New Hope they're talking as if it was just finished
>>64126912
The Death Star couldn't snipe a whole system from another one either. The Starkiller's shot goes through hyperspace and has a huge range.
>>64126924
It was, but from the looks of the sides it seems pretty incomplete and probably hollow on most of it. I imagine they hired outside the empire to get it done for sheev on time
>>64126929
Have you seen TFA? It sucks in a star and shoots it back out
>>64126929
Uh, no.
In the film, Starkiller base absorbs the nearby star, and when it explodes, the planet is replaced by the star as it 'escapes' or some shit
Did you even watch the movie
>>64126850
starkiller could destroy more shit without even being in the system it was hitting. Even though it only fired once it pretty much achieved its goal of wrecking the capitol of the republic. You could see the death star dropping out of hyperspace into your system, and you had plenty of time to hit that exhaust port before it wrecks your world. No one even knew about the starkiller until it had taken out it's enemy's government
>>64126850
Starkiller can fire at planets in other star systems.
That thing did it's job. They destroyed the Republic capital and most of their fleet.
>>64126962
What's the point, all the 'resistance'(republic?) could muster was about 15 x-wings just build another deathstar without any of the flaws of the previous designs, or better yet just build a fleet instead of wasting resources and carry out orbital bombardment, why are they so obsessed with destroying planets.
>>64126724
Go to bed, Barbossa
>>64126929
pretty sure that one just kills your sun instead of absorbing one and firing it at you.
>>64126959
the final scene of revenge of the sith could have been a flash forward.
>>64127036
>or better yet just build a fleet instead of wasting resources and carry out orbital bombardment
One large shield generator on a planet means your orbital bombardment is useless.
>>64127091
I'll email george lucas and ask
>>64127110
They could just hyperspace inside the shields
Why don't they just get Wedge to take out each Death star that gets built?
>>64126724
>>64127053
>we gotta sit through two more SW movies and a fuckload of capeshit before we get the next POTC movie
Fucking Disney
>>64127125
There is less than a dozen of ships in the galaxy capable of doing that. And every time you do it it's like 50% chance to die.
>watching the prequels
>shit, we need an army stat to fight the separatists
>oh, we have 250,000 clone troopers
>that'll do
What the fuck? Does the Republic not have a security force? Who the fuck maintains the peace? How the fuck is 250,000 men enough for an entire fucking galaxy with trillions of lifeforms? Fucking Switzerland can mobile a larger army.
>>64127201
They should never make another one of those shitty movies
>>64127219
So why don't they make some nukes, send them through hyperspace through shields and bombard the planet with them, it'd be a fraction of the resources
>>64127201
Wasn't the last POTC complete shit though? I didn't see it but that's what people said.
>>64126929
Did you see the movie? Are you seriously trying to show your superiority right now?
>>64127230
Sith only ever win because the good guys are incompetent hippies.
>>64127231
The first one was good though
>>64127321
Yeah it was great, the rest not so much
>>64126929
>didn't even watch the movie
Plus the Star Forge also absorbed stars.
>>64126876
incorrect. DS2 was built after 1 was destroyed.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_II
Pretend I'm an independent system in the SW galaxy. Sans military threats, why would I side with the Republic over the Empire/Order or vice versa?
>>64127344
AgreedDo we have an accord?
The Incomplete Death Star looked cooler than the first Death Star.
>>64127265
Because you need a crazy good pilot to even try this shit. And that same pilot would need to suicide to do it.
There is probably less than a dozen of pilots in the galaxy who could do it.
>>64127402
Yet was only powerful enough to take out Corellian cruisers.
>>64127369
The republic will brutally suppress you if you don't.
>>64127230
The clones number in the billions at some point during the Clone Wars themselves, I don't remember the 250k line you speak of in AotC so I can't really comment on it.
But yes, the Republic didn't have a proper standing army, each planet is in charge of its own security (seen very clearly in TPM with Naboo's militia/the Gungans), with the Jedi themselves often being relied on as mediators/peacekeepers to resolve disputes (once again, seen in TPM). Insisting that it needed one because of his vision was Sifo-Dyas' whole deal and what got him kicked off the council.
>>64127409
Or what the nukes might accidentally crash into the planet and blow up? Han didn't even seem to struggle that much he just turned off the hyperdrive at the right time and boom he was at the planet surface
What's the point of these fucking planet killing weapons? They seem like a huge waste of resources when you could apply those resources to conventional capital ships and use them in standard military engagements and use them to bombard planets.
Once you control the orbit of a planet, it has to surrender since you can just bombard it with impunity.
Seems a lot cheaper than literally blowing away your tax base.
Wait just how bigger is the Death Star II?
What's the groundbreaking ceremony like for a project like this?
Does the Emperor come out in a space suit and start plunging a shovel into the vacuum of space?
>>64126543
>Death Star took 29 years to complete
It was 19 years between ROTS and ANH
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>>64127491
because
>muh evil nazis
>muh epic explosions
>muh race against time
>>64127469
>But yes, the Republic didn't have a proper standing army, each planet is in charge of its own security
This is why I side with the Empire although not with their methods. Imagine if each US state had it's own independent military with a wide range of command structures, equipment, ammo types, etc. Then the US was attacked by an outside entity. It would be a huge clusterfuck just to integrate the US forces.
>>64126565
because the whole Star Wars lore is a hack piece of nonsense shit for children, who don't care about logic
>>64127491
because now its literally star wars
>>64127532
You know what's shock an awe? A 10,000 strong Star Destroyer fleet blotting out the sun and that can't be destroyed by a kiddo is a single seat fighter.
>>64126565
Senate were probably giving Sheev shit throughout the construction period, resulting in an incredibly long-delayed completion. The dissolution of the senate is mentioned in ANH, so Sheev was probably able to get shit done his way a lot faster afterwards.
I don't really know.
Am I the only one that was massively dissappointed that the main plotline was the destruction of Death Star fucking THREE
>>64127647
The first of anything you make is always the hardest. They probably had the science and engineering concepts down by the second so they could build it faster
>>64127685
oh man your gonna really be pissed when there is another in the next movie.
>>64127685
The main plotline was to find Luke, nigger.
>>64127685
No, all my m8's saw the movie before me and told me how great it was then when I saw it I was just so disappointed, I really wanted to love it
>>64127724
Please tell me there isn't
I need this
>>64127685
Destroying the Star Killer Base was a sub plot, the main plot was finding Luke.
Pay attention.
>>64127734
They spend hardly any time looking for Luke, R2 just randomly turns online and then they find him at the end
>>64127734
>>64127761
Finding Luke feels more like something they do along the way, if anything.
Even if it is more important to the other two movies, the main danger / obstacle to be overcome in this, that generates the problems for characters to deal with, is Death Star 3.0
Without it, it would just be R2 giving them 90% of the map, with the rest already found. Thats not a story.
>>64126929
>reads EU garbage fanfiction for 20 years
>doesn't even see TFA in the first week
>>64127369
The Republic allows you to join in an interplanetary democracy while also allowing you to keep your own system of government on your own planet, such as Naboo's monarchies.
The Empire basically requires you to conform to their standards.
>>64127742
they build so many death stars they run out of stars to absorb and no one can see anything.
>>64127844
Don't forget being in the Republic also means you get your planet blown up
>>64127885
Then they have wars over access to the few remaining stars.
Star Wars.
>>64127844
>The Empire basically requires you to conform to their standards
And as history, as well as, our modern geopolitical landscape show us, having a strong central government is better than having dozens of separate entities in a loose confederation.
>>64127972
Nice try Hans
>>64126622
Kek'd and check'd
>Vader is a big guy who can choke you from across the room
>Still shit talk him and his religion
Why don't more people like this dude. Pretty badass if you ask me.
>>64126543
>Death Star took 29 years to complete
to be designed and built the first time. 25 of those years might just been working through prototypes over and over. also in just pure construction time the second build will be faster than the first.
the starkiller may have been the culmination of 50 years of weapons research by the empire/first order
>>64126622
liking those repeating integers, son
>>64127345
The Star Forge took in small amounts of energy from a star and turned it into spaceships somehow.
But for as long as it had been in use the star seemed to be fine.
>>64127991
>Germany under National Socialism
Extremely productive, turns the country from a third world country to a nigh-superpower where its citizens are no longer starving or having to burn currency
>Germany under 'Democracy' and the EU
Governed by a crazy old bat that is destroying not only her country but the EU, against the wishes of her electorate
pick uno
>>64128034
So Starkiller, a weapon completely different in concept and execution, took no R&D time? When it had to absorb and contain a star, and target/fire on multiple planets not even in the same system, a capability jump from both Death Stars? nah
>>64128034
>the starkiller may have been the culmination of 50 years of weapons research by the empire/first order
this. the emperor and death star were destroyed, but the galactic pentagon and its resources were not touched
>>64127972
Which is why the Republic voluntarily became the Empire.
I'm not saying that the Republic was better, they weren't. I'm just answering the question of why someone might prefer the Republic.
>>64128114
>>>64127991
>>Germany under National Socialism
>Extremely productive, turns the country from a third world country to a nigh-superpower where its citizens are no longer starving or having to burn currency
And completely destroyed because fascism cannot exist without conflict
Check and m8, /pol/tard
>>64128167
>fascism cannot exist without conflict
You're saying that like the US has ever been out of active conflict for the last 6 decades
>>64128114
>>Germany under National Socialism
>>Germany under 'Democracy' and the EU
The proper comparison would be the German Confederation and modern day Federalist Germany.
>>64128114
>So Starkiller, a weapon completely different in concept and execution, took no R&D time? When it had to absorb and contain a star, and target/fire on multiple planets not even in the same system, a capability jump from both Death Stars? nah
the death star was what they were able to build at the time. who knows how many future projects the empire were working on at the time. the starkiller may have been being researched right from the beginning of the empire.
>>64127844
>The Empire basically requires you to conform to their standards
Why does Darth Vader recognize Leia's title of nobility in the first movie, then?
>>64127230
I'm more concerned how a single fucking alien race could create an army and fleets big enough to wage a galaxy-spanning war - in secret.
Fuckers should have just fucked the Republic up and take everything for themselves.
>>64128114
We went from not having electricity to landing on the moon in like 80 years. Going from the Death Star to Starkiller in 30 isn't that much of a stretch.
>>64127480
>Han didn't even seem to struggle that much he just turned off the hyperdrive at the right time
Were they supposed to shove a 20 minutes long Star Trek sci-fi explanation of what they are doing into the movie?
Do you even realize how fast those ships are when in hyperspace? 0.0000001 second mistake and you are on the other side of the system.
>>64127491
Do you remember Hoth?
The shield that could "stop any kind of orbital bombardment"?
>>64128614
>can stop orbital bombardment
>the enemy can still fly ships in and drop off troops and vehicles
Doesn't make sense, mate.
First Order had 40 years to build Starkiller with technology 70 years ahead of what the Empire had for Death Star 1. Compare construction of the Eiffel Tower to the Burj Khalifa.
>>64128585
You can stop trying to defend it now, you know its a shitty cop out
>>64128614
If it could stop any kind of orbital bombardment, it could also stop Starkiller, right?
>>64128651
there's also the possibility that they could have had Starkiller in development during the OT.
Maybe they were also building the Starkiller
>>64128645
Shields can stop weapons fire, they can't stop slow moving objects, just look at the shields in episode 1
>>64128645
It covered the base, not the entire planet.
That's why they needed Walkers to move on the base.
>>64128795
So you can literally walk through the shield to destroy the shield generator?
>>64126543
Perhaps Starkiller base was mostly constructed by the Empire, but the First Order completed it after the death of the Empire. It's not inconceivable to think that the Empire was working on a multitude of super weapons, of which the Death Star was only one type. The galaxy is probably littered with half-built Imperial super weapons and installations of all types.
>>64126622
DUBSSSS
>>64128495
This really. It wasn't even like the planet had any abundance of natural resources either, it was just fucking water
>>64128925
That's the most likely scenario, hell it's even more likely that Starkiller base is a precursor to the death star that was mothballed because it seems inferior in many ways but was brought back into action when the main 2 were BTFO
>>64126565
Even the Titanic had a sister ship
>>64127230
that was just the first batch, they kept making them after the war started and increased the production
>>64126543
it's been 30 years ever think technology for building things got easier and faster?
fucking idiots
>>64129061
It's a completely different design and usually things get smaller not bigger
>>64126565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTUrdizRZyw
>>64128114
>Germany being ever a third world country even before Hitler
On which Nigger school did you made your KFC Diploma ?
>>64127091
Tarkin looked a lot younger, though.
Jew Jew Abrams compared the First Order like Remants of Nazi Germany would have fled to Argentina and organize themselves there again.
With his explanation its even more retarded. The First Order ist just a Shadow of the former Empire but could but Deathstar 3.0 with less Ressources AND without the New Republic and their idiotic Resistance concept having the slightest having the slightest idea what is going on.
Its was absolutly stupid. The idea of an superior Super Star Destroyer would have made more sense.
>>64129210
>Germany after ww1
>not a shithole
they economy was fucked beyond belief
>>64127091
Bullshit. Count Dooku had the plans for it, so it is even possible that the CAS began to build it with their vast money and droids and the Empire just captured it when the war was over like the allies after WW II superior german technology.
It was Palpatine, Vader and the young Tarkin who approached the of the Death star at the end of Episode III.
>>64127269
......the only one that wasn't shit was the first one.
>>64129444
It was was going back to normal in the late 20s when the world financial crisis hit it hard.
One of them main reasons for Hitler and the NSDAP in the beginning 30s while the were irrelevant in the late 20s due to the recovering economy.
So how does this whole thing with the Republic and Resistance work? Is the Republic just sitting around twiddling their thumbs while the First Order subjugates and destroys solar systems?
>>64129791
New Republic and First Order are in a cold war situation.
Resistance is fighting for them
>>64129791
This was unexplained, what's the deal with the resistance, why is a republic army a resistance against the first order, does the first order even have any planets or are they just all evil badguys permanently on duty
>>64129791
I figure it's like this
te new republic exists but isn't militaristic enough to directly fight the first order offensively and win, the resistance is people in rebellion that live within the first order's territory and the republic funds them.
>>64127708
Just wait until Death Star IV: Starkiller II happens in Star Wars: Episode IX: Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
>see this? Its the star killer base. THIS is star killer base 2 "station the size of the sun"
>>64126543
>prequel shit
For all you know they churned that shit out in a year.
>>64128843
Yes, this is why asteroids don't harmlessly bounce off the Falcon's shields in Empire.
>>64130831
This.
EU shit is officially dead, thank god. Going just from the movies you have no idea what kind of resources the Empire had or how long it took to build the death star. For all you know they started the second one before the first one was finished.
Go read some non-canon EU bullshit you raging faggot.
