What happened to the Alliance fleet? Were all these ships decommissioned after the Battle of Endor?Also, Return of the Jedi had the best space battles... when all those rebel ships go into hyperspace... that was some good cinema.
>>64016848
Bump because that space battle was BASED AF. It easily cancels out the ewok stuff everyone gets butthurt about
>>64017638
>>64016848
They're now in the New Republic fleet, and 'most' of them were probably destroyed when Starkiller base blown out planets where they were stationed.
I'm sorry anon.
>>64017638
Agreed.
>>64016848
>>64017638
>>64017847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o
>>64017932
Unlike TFA, the ROTJ space battle was amazing in that you had no idea if they were going to make it to kill the death star. There was a real chance they wouldn't win the battle. And then they do and it's satisfying as fuck. TFA has no satisfaction. It's like "meh, whatever" at the end
>>64016848
Wasn't really that many ships. The fighters, couple of blockade runners, medical ship, and allahu ackbar
>>64017932
>amazing special effects
>awesome soundtrack
>convincing acting
>great pacing
>incredible array of ship classes, deepening Star Wars lore
Is hating this movie just an outdated meme?
>>64017706
lel the entire Replublic fleet is in one system? Even though the Republic must be made up of thousands of systems?
>>64018296
>>64018296
a real question was, where was the rest of the imperial fleet?
>>64018244
I never understood why that movie is seen as the weakest of the OT. The opening scenes with Jabba and the space battle are great. The ground combat on Endor wasn't as well done, but it wasn't THAT bad
I think most of them got obliterated during the battle of Endorsed when they made the daft decision to move within firing range of the Imperial Fleet's Heavy Cannons.
>>64018244
>mfw I loved that George added celebrations on Naboo, Tatooine, Coruscant, and Cloud City
>also loved Hayden Christiensen force ghost, honestly choked up seeing him after rewatching the Saga in episode order
>didn't mind Darth Vader's "nooo" when shafting Sheev
>>64018505
>>64018211
>>64017932
Das it mane
>>64018477
This was a great scene. We're finally understanding Sheev's role in the universe, and how Vader's just his little bitch.
>>64018553
This shot always made me wonder two things
>Where did all those other Star Destroyers go
>Why did the rebels bring a bunch of Hoth supply transports to the battle
Best part was the Star Destroyer exploding from eating too many Mon Cal shots.
>>64017932
i'm really amazed they managed to pull that shit off in '83 as well as they did. it doesn't look too different from the battle over coruscant.
>>64018631
The transports may have been used for boarding and taking over Star Destroyers, or converted into anti-fighter or even anti-cap roles. There's at least 3-4 (maybe 8 if those dual engines are smaller cruisers) Mon Cal Cruisers in that image.
>>64018638
RIP Based Piett, and RIP Best Ship
>>64018631
>Why did the rebels bring a bunch of Hoth supply transports to the battle
I think it's just to reinforce the idea that the rebel's had to make do with whatever shit they could get their scummy hands on. I'm guessing those transport ships were modified in some way to do battle.
>>64018631
I imagine they were not very picky, If it had decent armor and guns it was part of the fleet. Everyone calls the falcon shit and they fly all kinds of important missions with that thing.
>win two major battle of attrition against the Empire in the span of a decade
>somehow, still losing arms race
>or did they demilitarize after the victory at endor?
>???? years later complacent Rebels regroup as Resistance?
>tactical sized x-wing squadrons
>no mixed role sorties
>no bombers, assault ships, gunboats, transports, interceptors, capital ships
>seemingly 0 infantry divisions
>Leia comments how she went back to doing the only thing she was good at as well
Leia ain't got shit on Mothma as far as a Military Commander.
The technical military aspects as an afterthought in TFA hurt the most /tv/
>>64018631
>not playing battlefront 2
>not seeing the rebels used those ships as frigates in the galactic civil war space battle maps
>>64018729
Piett was my favourite Imperial. His godamn first name was Firmus.
>>64018553
>>64018611
why does a film from 1980 look more real than a movie in 2015?
that planet looks huge and theres depth. compare that to any cgi ball and it looks so fake.
>>64016848
My guess is yes. The New Republic likely, in a reflection of real-world politics, demilitarized and left themselves absurdly open to attack by an enemy.
>Why would they do that?
The same reason any real-world country would do it: Short memory.
>>64018911
>>64016848
>yfw they remake the rebel fleet with all the old ships, all modified with bigger guns, and go slap the Order's shit
>>64018900
I'm hoping we get to see more awesome officers in Rogue One.
Also, I'll take any reason to post this image.
>>64018905
>why does a film from 1980 look more real than a movie in 2015?
It's fucking crazy. That shuttle hangar is unbelievably detailed. I've just noticed all the scaffolding and shit in the background; not to mention the imperial troops are all from different specialities, not just generic storm troopers.
Do these set pieces just cost too much in today's money?
>>64018944
>>64016848
Pretty sure this happens mostly in the EU, but canon alludes to parts of this:
After Endor, the Empire fractures and individual Moffs and Admirals take over territories themselves and become Warlords overnight, each having their own fleets and legions of men. Some tried to combine their strength and fight the newly christened New Republic, some fought amongst themselves, some made deals with the Republic, trading their fleets and men for influence and leniency. Others just sat back and waited to see who would take the upper hand. As such, most of the New Republic's fleet strength was Imperial Class Star Destroyers.
I'm fairly certain you can see a Star Destroyer in orbit over the capital of the Republic when it gets destroyed, it was a split second though. It was stated that the New Republic Fleet was destroyed too.
>>64018961
The thing I'm looking forward to most about Rogue One is a story with no Jedi, and with desperate, beaten-down rebels with nothing to lose.
>>64018137
>There was a real chance they wouldn't win the battle.
No there wasn't, that's your nostalgia talking.
There's a line in the force awakens after the core planets are blown up that mentions there is no new republic fleet anymore
>>64019063
I'm looking forward to space battles with better effects then TFA
>>64018961
>tfw based Mads Mikkelsen will probably play an Imperial Office in Rouge One
>>64019019
kek is this canon
>>64019004
It's such a nitpicky thing but I always kind of disliked how the scaffolding falls over super super fast so you can tell it's a miniature.
https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o?t=7m42s
>>64018961
>You will never get a Scythe One series
;-;
>>64019145
Not anymore, sadly.
I think it's funny that the first thing Wedge and co. did after capturing it was recalibrate the laser so they're red instead of green.
>>64017932
>be super excited for capital ship combat
>they don't even shoot at each other
>it's just fucking fighters again
YOU LIE
Fuck the battle of Endor biggest disappointment of my young life.
>>64019172
PLEASE DISNEY
I WILL LOVE YOU ETERNALLY IF YOU MAKE A NON-SHITTY ANIME STAR WARS SHOW ABOUT TIE PILOTS
Why don't they just go behind the Death Star? The laser only points in 1 direction. Just go to the other side, even if the Death Star can spin it will take some time and the ships can move faster.
>>64018905
>depth
its 2d as fuck how can you say it looks like it has depth?
>>64018886
Kek mon mothma wrecked the fleet etc after the war because she thought the massive mobilisation of the clone era etc was bad - look it up they agreed a demilitarisation but first order cheated and republic just became a talking shop again
>>64019223
>we will never see this space battle on the big screen
>why live?
>>64019231
see >>64018638
It's not much but it's still something
>>64019267
Where do you think the Imperial fleet was?
>>64019282
The canon New Republic is, essentially, that episode of the Simpsons where they destroy all their guns and get taken over immediately by aliens.
>>64018729
>>64018900
Piett seemed like the kind of guy who genuinely thought he was doing the right thing, and was fighting for the right side. He wasn't evil, he was a military man of honor
>>64019282
Fuck I hate pacificsts. But you can't play the cannon/eu card anymore. Until I have Mothma to blame 'in writing' in the ST, I'm blaming Leia.
>>64019019
>Dirty rebels commanding glorious Imperial Super Star Destroyers
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>64019223
>I think it's funny that the first thing Wedge and co. did after capturing it was recalibrate the laser so they're red instead of green.
lmao fucking legendary
how did they manage to capture an entire super star destroyer anyway?
>>64019362
The only Imperials I could safely call straight up evil were probably Sheev, Tarkin and Vader (up until the end)
Ozzel was a dick though.
>>64019453
>Keys were in the visor.
Some fucking luck huh?
>people who side with the rebels/alliance/light side actually exist
>>64019486
huh?
>>64017932
What gets me is that 30+ year old physical models and clever camera work STILL look better and more realistic than the shit that's done with computers today.
When will Hollywood stop spending millions of dollars on special effects that turn out to be shit? I mean it seems like they've shot themselves in the foot on that one.
pic kind of related
>>64019494
>edgy teenagers actually visit this board
>>64017932
someone remind me why han wasn't piloting the falcon while lando was on endor?
>>64019362
>>64019453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JLOcquqyJI
They should have kept more stuff like this in. Humanise the Empire more, but we all know that George loves his black and white morality too much.
>>64019549
A joke anon, about how keys for a vehicle are in the visor
>>64019453
It's somewhere in here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lusankya
Lmfao@ the part about it being hidden underneath several city blocks on Coruscant and bursting out, too.
>>64019371
She is blamed in writing. The demilitarization plan was mentioned in the first canon novel.
>>64019570
>>64019604
Han was tasked with leading a strike team on Endor (he also probably wanted to protect leia)
>>64019334
This. The New Republic is objectively weaker than the Old Republic. They relied on the privately funded resistance movement for protection. A lot of the senior members of the New Republic fund the resistance. Just like some in the New Republic fund the first order. The new movies are basically a cold war setting. I wonder if Lucas wanted to bring back the Droids. Anakin shut the down and put them in sleep mode. I want the droids to return to the big screen.
>>64019653
What is this a picture for ants?
>>64019717
Droidekkas with shields would be the most effective battlefield killers
>>64016848
What is going on with Republic?
I concluded Alliance turned into Republic and made many compromises with remnants of Empire (ie general pardon) and after decades of wars even truces with former Imperial generals and warlords like First Order. Resistance are radicals who wants to fight evil Empire until the final end, they are supported by Republic, but not openly, because that would complicated Republics diplomatics position?
Return of the Jedi space battle is really dumb honestly.
They could have just sent out loads of small fighter ships instead of those big cruisers. There is no reason for them to be there and they serve no purpose other than to be blown up.
They only used X-Wings and Y-Wings against the first one and they knew this one had to be blown up from the inside.
>>64019789
My idea:
New Republic: US
First Order: countries helping ISIS that us helps sometimes against mutual enemies
Resistance: countries us finds that fight ISIS
>>64018477
>I never understood why that movie is seen as the weakest of the OT.
Because it's basically a hokey piece of 1980s garbage like Howard the Duck.
>>64019763
They were a Jedi worse nightmare. Those shields can stop lightsabers. The droids and clones were never destroyed. Lucas set them aside with no explanation. Battlefront 2 is canon, so we know Vader 501st division took over the cloning faculties but didn't destroy them.
>>64019811
The big ships are there to help supply/repair the smaller ships. The bigger ships like the min calamari crafts have heavy weaponery in the form of high powered laser cannons, as do the medical frigates. The rest are basically used to mount guns
>>64019811
>They could have just sent out loads of small fighter ships instead of those big cruisers. There is no reason for them to be there and they serve no purpose other than to be blown up.
The rebels believed that the Death Star was nonfunctional, and that there would be a handful of Star Destroyers in the area. Their capital ships were there to run interference on what they thought were a couple Imperial ships while the fighters moved in to destroy the station.
>>64019717
>>64019646
Ah, which novel? You can't be talking about Bloodline: New Republic (Star Wars) since it doesn't come out until 2016.
Might pick that up though.
>>64018638
>Cheering on the destruction of a militant White, human society by a pack of space nigger squids.
It's kind of like Avatar in conditioning the self-hatred.
>>64019717
I don't get what woke r2 up there was nothing that should have triggered it - maybe something cut?
>>64017932
One of the things that disappointed me most about TFA was the lack of ship variety. We have all these great ships in ROTJ, why are we back to just X-Wings and TIEs?
>>64019964
You're seeing shit that isn't there.
I will give you Avatar though.
>>64020001
To appeal to nostalgia
>>64019919
Did they know that a fleet of Star and a Super Star Destroyer was with the Death Star?
>>64019944
Aftermath and the force awakens novelisation and a lot of fluff like visual dictionary etc
>>64020001
Realistic strategic military roles got cucked
>>64016848
Just another plothole, because after decades of constant war and slavery the republic decided to be le good guys and let the remnants of the empire get away with everything instead of dismantling it with force.
>>64020035
No. Not a full fleet anyways.
That was a trap.
>>64020001
Because muh nostalgia xd
Fuck JJ Abrams. I'm glad other directors are doing 8/9 and Rogue One, hopefully they'll actually go out and be their own movies instead of a giant rehash collage.
>>64017932
ITS A TRAP!
>>64019599
>white knight faggots actually visit this board
>>64019975
The canon explanation is that when BB8 uncovered R2 and said something to him, he asked him if he didn't have rest of the map. R2 took a while but found that he actually does have those maps downloaded from the archives of the empire from episode 4.
>>64020035
It's never specified, but that's why they brought everything. The mon calamari(fish people) provided the b wings and the giant cruisers (equivalent to our battleships and larger destroyers). It was a desperate gambit because it was the only possible shot they would ever have in winning.
Also it was a trap in that they were targeting the Death Star but were driven into the field of fire of the imperial fleet when they had to divert course
>>64020138
Hi Kylo!
>>64019599
>>64020138
Please knock this shit off. Go argue in a Force Awakens thread.
>>64020143
It was from an interview with JJ, he explained why R2-D2 was in coma and luke didn't come back, basically he justifies why he is an hack.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
>>64018477
>Han Solo isn't useful in the movie and his character isn't really "there". Can't remember for sure but I think his wise cracking jokes weren't part of the film
>Cinematography took a huge dive, it just looks really boring most of the time and the millenium falcon cockpit shots look really cheap because they didn't set up lighting properly.
>Vader also has loads of reflections coming from his helmet, whereas in a new hope they helmet was matted to stop that from happening.
>The battle on Endor really sucks when you compare to the battle of hoth, there is no tension to those scenes and its just ewoks wrecking things with ease, even the stormtroopers
>single biome planet, lets make it only forest this time!
>The Jabba part of the movie effectively serves no purpose to the story, they don't really "need" han solo for anything other than to save a friend
>matte paintings were more obvious, specifically when han and lando are talking infront of it, they used a real model in ESB
honestly the only good things were the space battle, the speederbike sequence and all of luke's scenes with vader and the emperor
>>64019717
But the droids sucked ass.
>>64019494
>Kylo Ren is meant to show how pathetic the edgy dark side faggots are
>Is a bitch ass nigga who idolizes Darth Vader while ignoring that he turned to the light side
>Gets his ass kicked by a girl who knows next to nothing about the force and almost loses to random negro
>Constantly gets angry and just destroys random shit
Honestly I wanted Solo to just smack him for being a tryhard faggot.
>>64018137
I had no idea whether or not they were going to destroy the starkiller
b/c it would make much more sense to keep it around for the next few movies
>>64020225
Han was different because the scoundrel had gone through so much: he fell in actual love, he suffered/tortured, no has a whole new role with people dependent on him. Of course he has to mature a little
>>64017932
INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWAH
>>64020255
>sucked ass
>killed more jedi without the need of cheap tricks
>won many battle
>better killer ratio than stormtroopers
>won against an alien army (gungans) while stormtrooper lost against ewoks
clones > droids >>> stormtroopers >>>> new memetroopers
>>64019789
Essentially this
>>64019032
Like any strong power that loses its leader, it splinters into different factions vying for power, each controlling whatever territory they can until a new leader comes along and rallies them.
What I assume happen is the empire dissolved into different fleets as above. The rebels rallied more systems, but never had enough of a fleet to contend with the entire empire fleet. And if you are all ex-generals you would work together against a common enemy. In some aquiessence the generals reestablished the Senate, which weakened the rebels in the eyes of the people, and were essentially puppet senators, each answering to some moff or grand general. And the rebels became the resistance, trying to hit generals who fought over territory when they were weak, but never really able to destabilize the entire establishment. So, the first order arose as a segment of extremists, like Isis, and rallied many young generals to their cause. The destruction of the Senate was a declaration of war not against the resistance, but essentially saying the first order was the most powerful of the remaining empire factions, and everybody better fall in line, Snoke is the new emporer, so get your shit straight.
>>64020343
TOO LATEE
>>64020317
he didn't have much of a personality and they didn't really suggest that being in carbonite changed him, though i can see that being a posibility
>>64020298
>ignoring that Kylo Ren was able to stop a blaster shot mid air and continue to have a conversation
>ignoring that Kylo Ren was able to rekt a nigger and almost rekt some jedi girl after being shot with the yeti's gun
>ignoring that Kylo Ren was still able to keep on fighting after being hit by the lightsaber
>>64020420
By torture I meant whatever vader did to him in the shock chair thing
>>64016848
Did they run out of special effects budget and that be why they couldn't film a space battle?
>>64020225
>>The Jabba part of the movie effectively serves no purpose to the story, they don't really "need" han solo for anything other than to save a friend
That's part of Luke's development. He's pursuing his personal interests instead of the greater ones he's supposed to be serving. It's a part of his arc toward the dark side.
>>64019019
Based Wedge
Based Rogue Squadron
>>64020476
It also shows his new powers, he's now a fully trained jedi, he can use the force and fight with a lightsaber properly.
>>64020476
that reminds me, yoda's only purpose in the movie was to be an exposition device
>>64019453
>how did they manage to capture an entire super star destroyer anyway?
Rogue Squadron defected from the republic for a while and waged a private war on an imperial remnant because the republic was too busy being faggy politicians and shit needed to get done, x-wing style.
Poe novels when?
>>64020582
He trains Luke. What do you mean?
>>64019612
>Isard had the crew break the ship free of the planet. While leaving Coruscant, the Lusankya caused devastation over 259 km2 of the planet surface, killing untold millions.
holy shit. the good guys didn't do this, did they?
>>64020626
He doesn't train anyone in Jedi, he just reads a age of dialogue about Anakin/Vader, the emperor, and that he must confront both of them to become a real Jedi.
>>64020517
>Wedge is a Mary Sue
Good to know.
>>64020794
Because Luke fucked off to save Han and confront Vader in Empire. In Jedi he's dying and there's a sense that Luke may have missed out on his chance to complete the training.
>>64019853
except in this case, ISIS suitcase nuked NYC, DC, Chicago, and LA
>>64020794
Basically, yoda makes it clear him that ben lied and vader is in fact his father. I always loved that part because It makes luke question which side is right (vader is his father but he's "evil", but ben lied to him), it sort of reaffirmed that he's walking a thin line between dark and light (like in the palace how he tries to negotiate peacefully but when jabba threatens to kill his friends he tries to shoot him to death and loses his composure)
>>64020820
In a story with Corran Horn, Wedge is downright grounded.
>>64016848
There not real you faggot
>>64017932
This battle is my favourite part of Star Wars. I hope we get a true large scale battle like it in the future.
There was nothing like it in the prequels and we just got a single X-Wing squadron being an entire "fleet" in TFA.
>>64020255
They're objectively superior to stormtroopers and some clones. While some of the clones were bred to fight droids like the 501st and commander cody. They killed a lot of Jedis without the help of the sith or super weapons.
>>64020839
Right, but anon was saying his only reason for being in jedi is to get off a bunch of exposition is correct.From a certain point of view.
>>64020820
>reyfags still salty
kek, don't worry anon. Not every character can be interesting
>>64017932
Scale models + shooting on film > CGI + digital cameras
Prove me wrong
"You can't"
>>64020913
>There was nothing like it in the prequels
>>64016848
Another big question is what happened to the First Order fleet.
They only seem to have one star destroyer that appears for perhaps 10 seconds.
Here's a good image of it
>>64020958
>posts horrible CGI mess which was punctuated by corny dialogue between Anakin and Obi
Yeah, no.
>>64020958
This battle in Battlefront 2 was fucking awesome. Some people modded the map and put more ships and fighters.
>>64020776
Indirectly, Isard was using it as a secret base, and sheev used it as a political prison. After Rogue squadron helped liberate the planet for the rebellion, and they became the republic, she released a virus into the water, and blasted her way out.
>>64021008
HOLY FUCK I NEED THIS MOD
>>64020958
Too bad they completely ignore it to have hijinks with buzzdroids, before a miserable sequence on Grevious' ship.
>>64020974
The size and power of the First Order will be revealed to us in the next film. Think of Hux and his force and an expedition, its possible Starkiller Base was a pet project and something more strategic is already in place. This is entirely based on Snokes reaction and him wanting the forces to pull out rather than go down with the ship.
>>64021073
His forces? You mean one Fucking Star Destroyer?
>>64021073
>Starkiller Base was a pet project
Pretty sure something 10 times the size of anything we've seen in Star Wars thus far is more than just a 'pet' project.
>>64021113
One Star Destroyer would be the equivalent to a single expeditionary force. General Hux might not be commander of the entire First Order, rather the General of an expedition. We don't know much at all so its all speculation, but im trying to at least make educated guesses
>>64021008
oh shit. i can't believe that in the vanilla game they only had this map in the campaign.
i used to play battlefront 2 all the time but then the senpai ditched the windows pc, and i've had a macbook ever since (no, i'm not under 18).
how would one go about playing battlefront on a late 2011 macbook pro? parallels? bootcamp? wine? could it even run the thing? could i still mod it?
>>64021073
The starkiller base was most likely an outpost. Snoke is probably in the Sith homeworld. Which is not in any maps. Also Kylo got fucked up and will probably go through a minor Vader surgery.
>>64021172
Sheev took over the whole galaxy without the Death Stars. Also there was two of them, the first being significantly smaller and weaker than the second.
>>64021004
bruh whatever your opinion of the prequels, that sequence is one of the best in the series. it's just so fucking cool
>hurr durr muh CGI not real
literally who cares it's a space opera. the CGI wasn't even that bad, just average. making it at this scale with just practical effects would be impossible anyway.
>>64019606
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JLOcquqyJI
Neat. So what was supposed to happen, the Death Star is destroyed before they can fire?
>>64021193
Well one Star Destroyer holds around 25,000-50,000 men. An eclipse class Super Star Destroyer hold 500,000 men, 100 AT-AT, and 2,500 Aerial forces. So the possibility for the first order to have tens of millions of men is highly probable.
>>64021401
That's what I meant, the First Order is highly likely much larger than was shown.
>>64021073
>Starkiller Base was a pet project
they literally hollowed out a fucking planet and turned it into a superweapon
>>64021269
>Also there was two of them, the first being significantly smaller and weaker than the second.
In the scene where they compare the suncrusher to the original death star, I was waiting for the shot where they mention the second, even BIGGER death star, and then show the Starkiller base.
But I guess that would just draw too much attention to itself.
>>64021482
>suncrusher
what
>>64021468
In a setting where the most of galaxy is colonized and hyperspace travel is common place. I think hollowing out part of a planet can be seen has a pet project. Meaning the First Order has other things going on other than a death ray that can fire across the galaxy.
>>64021193
They could have made Starkiller an ancient Rakata weapon that used crystals and the force to fuck up gravity on planets (and because Starkiller is in fact Ilum) and Hux an expeditionary commander sent to capture the planet for the First Order
Instead they fucked up the lore behind Ilum and gave it no second thoughs.
As TFA is, I'd much rather have the entire First Order killed by the second film and make up a more credible and better enemy force
>>64021504
The suncrusher, the other star wars superweapon that kills stars and destroys solar systems from the old EU. I was doing a thing.
>>64021439
So is resistance. This is what I hate about Hollywood sci-fi movies. They assume the universe holds 7 billion people because muh humans population. When in reality there can be trillions, if such civilization exist.
>>64021603
Are you kidding me mate? That's one of the most ridiculous looking things I have ever seen.
>>64020958
But it is entirely forgettable! All you have is Anakin and Obiwan, no one else is relevant in it.
You don't get to see the strategy or tactics behind it, or the outcome.
The only thing that mattered in that battle was Anakin's light sabre fight and that has nothing to do with the battle it self.
Then they crash a ship into Couruscant and it ends.
Oh and the buzz droids were fucking stupid.
>>64021601
The death stars were unprecedented engineering accomplishments though. Coring a planet is an order of magnitude or two above that.
>>64021625
Well the Resistance managed to use less ships to blow up something much bigger than the first Death Star. Its possible the Resistance is much smaller than the Rebel Alliance was, but much better funded and filled with experienced warfighters (Poe rekting 9 TIE Fighters in one sequence)
>>64021073
>Starkiller Base was a pet project
why JJ had to go full retard? "Just make a bigger deathstar" strategy is ridiculous, even Empire in prime wasn't able to make anything so huge.
>>64021635
Its genuinely regarded as one of the stupidest things from the EU. And that is saying something.And that's not even the stupidest thing about the story.
Kevin J Anderson, the author, would later go with Brian Herbert to ruin Frank Herbert's legacy.
>>64017932
>Mon Calamari cruisers
>A-Wings
>B-Wings
>TIE Interceptors
>>64021702
Poe's flight exploits are Mary Sue grade because he had to be shoved back in by the Mouse
Or he's anAngel. Like Anakin mentioned in TPM. Pottery intensified
>>64021816
>dat sexy nebulon-b
>>64017932
Spot the mistake
>>64021603
lmao why is there a fucking loudspeaker on the bottom of it
>>64021771
It can been seen as a progression. Why build from scratch a space station when you could use a planet. The Empire wasn't above using slave labor and the actual materials used for Starkiller Base could have been less considering its just a huge gun built into a planet.
>>64021635
It gets even better; this ship not only fires torpedoes capable of making suns go nova, its also so heavily armored that it can fly through star destroyers, and can tank a shot from the death stars prototype...
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>>64017932
>tfw Empire at War isn't canon anymore
>tfw no more Tyber Zann
Why live?
>>64016848
the stareater blow them up
>>64021859
The Nebulon-B is to big and the Corvette is too small?
>>64021842
There's been actual fighter pilots with dozens of planes shot down in one sortie during WW2. Poe could possible be the Eric Hartmann of the Star Wars galaxy.
>>64021939
Jesus Christ. No Fucking wonder Disney was in such a hurry to 86 the EU. That sounds awful.
And people actually read this shit?
>>64021895
>Why build from scratch a space station when you could use a planet.
i don't think anybody realizes what this truly means. you would have to drill all the way to the core of a planet, literally fundamentally alter/remove the volcanic and geothermal system of that planet, along with its plate tectonics, fucking drain the mantle, build a trench that is hundreds of miles wide and thousands of miles long and deep, and god knows what else. it's reverse-engineering a PLANET.
>>64017932
>>64017932
Did you ever notice the guy who sits behind Lando?
How long is his Wookieepedia page?
>>64021881
>>64021635
Oh. It is also literally indestructible, and I literally mean literally.
>>64021787
But he's such a great editor doe...
>>64022014
i think the idea with the EU was that you had to sift through a lot, and i mean a lot of shit to get to the good stuff.
>>64022041
how big is it. it looks about the size of a starfighter.
>>64022020
Could've been a dead planet with no active mantle (Like our moon). They have technology that allows massive star ships to travel faster than light. I think they have something to keep a planet stable as they drill into it.
>>64022014
The EU was alot of "hit and miss" stories, and alot of people either loved or hated the new additions; I personally loved the New Jedi Order era with the Vong, but I also know alot of fans that detested it. Basically, if it isnt Thrawn, its polarizing
>>64022000
To be fair, Eric Hartmann's score is heavily padded by shooting down IL-2s on the eastern front with little to no pursuit plane interference.
>>64022093
Its smaller then the falcon
>>64022152
holy shit
>>64021984
>No Zann
>No Thrawn
>No Kreia
>No Kyle Katarn
At least we have Delta Squad
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>>64021439
That's fucking retarded.
>>64022152
>Length 13.5 meters
>>64022014
>No Fucking wonder Disney was in such a hurry to 86 the EU.
It was never really "Cannon" in the first place. George let them write whatever they wanted to, but they weren't allowed to have the emperor or vador show up (with a few notable licensed exceptions). It was just tolerated it, but there wasn't anyone wranging a coherent expanded universe. The rule was basically "Don't contradict the movies, or any other preexisting EU book." So it was just a big fucking amalgamation that occasionally wasn't awful. More often then not it wassuncrushers.
But I don't blame disney for ignoring it, they have the ability to pick and choose from the few good things offered, without having to conform to a convoluted universe that eventually covers THOUSANDS of years of galactic bullshit.
>>64022050
>there was actually half a dozen IG-88s and one of them uploaded itself on the Death Star's central computer and would have cut off life support and used the station to destroy the entire galaxy if Luke hadn't blown it up
Even as a dumb middle schooler who liked Star Wars novels, that was some shit.
>>64022224
I know right; the Falcon is around 34 meters in length, which means this system killing, death star tanking ship is about half its size
>>64022100
What do you do with a pile of dirt that's 1/6 the mass of the planet once you dig the hole?
>>64022203
The 3 characters I wish I could bring back are Thrawn, Kyle and Mara.
>>64018905
Because all that shit was made with real miniatures.
>>64022266
Throw it at the sun? There will be an explanation in some book in the future. But im okay with Starkiller Base, just a progression from the death stars. And its apparent the First Order is trying to outdo what the Empire did.
>>64021603
>Kyp Durran steals it and uses it to blow up several worlds and kill several times more people than Alderaan
>Luke continues training him
>>64022224
>>64022181
This is the joy and sadness of the EU, and why some people are a little sad to see it go.
>>64016848
We will miraculously see them appear in the sequels.
>>64022363
>But im okay with Starkiller Base, just a progression from the death stars
shill get OUT REEEEEEEE
>>64022314
Goodnight sweet princess
>>64022426
LOL she never existed now. That dancer was just Arica.
>>64022374
>tfw even other EU novels have characters take time out of the story to mention how fucked it is
>tfw corran redpills luke on his entire childhood.
>>64022462
forgot >tfw
>>64022388
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>>64022426
Aunt Claire would've been so hot as her
>>64022426
Somebody had to be Rey's mother
>>64022417
The size difference between Death Star II and Starkiller Base is no where near the size difference of Death Star I and II.
>>64022363
>And its apparent the First Order is trying to outdo what the Empire did.
How the fuck did the space equivalent of North Korea have the resources to build a super-Death Star when it took an Empire that ruled the entire galaxy two decades to build the Death Star.
>>64019570
Except they don't. Watch this shit on a 60+ in TV on blu-ray. It looks like shit.
>>64022567
She didn't have a mother.
>>64022567
Why there's a giant felicia day there
>>64018518
Congrats on being a faggot
>>64022593
Jew Jew doesn't have to explain shit. He just collects his pay check.
>Were all these ships decommissioned after the Battle of Endor?
What a fuckin' dork.
>>64017932
>reminder that there's people who think that III > VI
>>64021603
>>64021635
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>>64021881
>>64021939
>>64022014
>>64022041
>>64022093
>>64022152
>>64022224
>>64022262
>>64022374
>>64022388
>The Sun Crusher was then placed deep inside the poisonous atmosphere of the gas giant Yavin, where it was thought that the incredible atmospheric pressures would render the craft inaccessible. However, the young Kyp Durron, now a Jedi adept at Luke Skywalker's Jedi academy at Yavin IV, yet unable to control his hatred of the Empire and influenced by the ancient Dark Lord Exar Kun, retrieved the Sun Crusher from the depths of Yavin. He then destroyed the Cauldron Nebula along with most of Admiral Daala's fleet.
>After Kyp Durron destroyed the Carida system, Han Solo and Lando Calrissian came looking for him and chased Kyp to the Core Systems, where they found that he had also destroyed a major starship construction yard and a weapons depot with it. Han then found Kyp and distracted him while Lando attempted to shut down the Sun Crusher. However, Kyp used the Force to restart it and threatened to destroy the Millennium Falcon with one of the supernova torpedoes. At this moment Exar Kun was destroyed by Kyp's fellow students and Kyp realized what he had done and surrendered to Han. To redeem himself, Kyp had to destroy the Sun Crusher. He destroyed it during the Battle of the Maw, where it was sucked into one of the Maw's black holes along with the Death Star prototype. Kyp survived by escaping in a message pod, though he suffered serious injuries in the process. Durron used the Force to slow himself almost to the point of suspended animation and crammed himself into the tiny message cylinder.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64022593
The Germans managed to start WW2 after losing WW1 in less time than the First Order has built and used the Starkiller Base. Starkiller Base might have been a project started by the Empire, we don't know yet.
>>64022669
How much of the galaxy does the First Order control?
>>64022669
>project started by the Empire
Then why the fuck would they waste time and resources with a second death star?
>>64022719
Sheev loved spending money
>>64022645
Do you even know what web site you're on.
>>64022719
It's like why Japan kept building super-x's and mecha against godzilla even though they kept failing: it's the best plan of action and if anything will beat it, it will probably be that and that is their best chance.
The difference: starkiller base seems far less efficient than just a few Death Stars who can move
>>64022756
>mfw the entirety of the Empire was just Sheev's retail therapy getting out of control
He may have gone too far in a few places.
only thing that really bothers me in return of the jedi is the Darth Vader noooo at the end
ewoks are erased via Jabba's palace, biking through the forest, battle of endor, lightsaber duel with Vader...
the list goes on. it's my favorite movie because it has by far the most emotion packed into it
>>64022719
Same reason Hitler wanted bigger and more powerful tanks. The Empire/First Order is heavily modeled after them.
>>64022856
>noooo at the end
Doesn't happen in my(best) version.
>>64022856
>only thing that really bothers me in return of the jedi is the Darth Vader noooo at the end
that was only in the newest version. just pretend it's not canon or some shit
>>64022717
There was a new map showing where Starkiller Base was in relation to the rest of the galaxy. The "unknown regions" are mentioned at least once as well. Could be possible they control those systems and other systems that stayed allied with the Empire after it fell.
>>64017706
Mon Calamari is isolated
>>64022363
>Throw it at the sun?
b-but you are tanking Suns.
>>64022856
Just go for that VHS, anon
>>64022879
>>64022881
it's going to get the same treatment as the episode 2 love scene(s). smoke so much weed or drink however much I need to forget it as I'm watching it. I actually pulled it off two weeks ago when I did my marathon of star wars before episode 7. feels good man
I had known about the no but didn't expect it and had an autism fit so bad that my roommate had to tell me to calm down. how can Lucas kill a scene like that? it's one of those great scenes where words are not needed. only physicality. reminds me of that no name soldier scene from good, bad and ugly. Vader doing that shit without saying anything packs a MASSIVE emotional punch to the scene.
now I just get reminded of episode 3's transformation
>>64022719
Because Sheev turned the whole galaxy into a sandbox for the military industrial complexso it'd be strong enough to repel the Vong invasion
>>64022923
blu ray has touch ups though. I'm waiting for the blu ray set of the theatrical releases
>>64017932
This space battle alone is light years ahead of the steaming pile of shit that is TFA
>>64023027
>Vong invasion
Of all the EU lore, this triggers my autism the most.
>>64023079
>>64023079
I can't believe they originally intended to end the Star Wars canon with NJO. What a shitload of fuck.
Jay Jay explained it all on the visual dictionary or whatever, after the New Republic took charge and had it's truce with the Empire, they implemented the galatic demilitarization act, that's why 'The Ressistance' is a private force or whatever.
>>64023181
>NJO
wot is this m8
>>64023079
>total war on an intergalactic scale
>not fucking awesome
>>64019570
Wrong, you have the Special Editions' digital recompositions in mind.
Look at theatrical prints, or the workprint for RotJ Despecialized 2.0. There's a lot of garbage mattes and brown-tinted ships, including Star Destroyers.
>>64023215
New Jedi Order. One of the old EU story arcs.
>>64023215
New Jedi Order
>>64023204
> It also saw the deaths of many of the major characters, including, but not limited to, Chewbacca, Anakin Solo, and Admiral Ackbar, as well as 365 trillion sentient beings.
Glad Disney ditched the EU. It kept getting worse, like a fucking person dying from cholera.
>>64021984
>>64022203
Zann Consortium is canon. It's mentioned in Uprising I think.
>>64023247
That picture makes it look way way more awesome than it actually is.
>>64023225
the vong's military technology was autistic tho
>>64023286
Perfect for us then
It also allows Sheev to be the obv good guy
>>64022881
What is this fucking "nooo" you are all speaking of in ROTJ? Is this b8?
>>64023327
This isn't a joke
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg
>>64023327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg
>>64023274
Huh, neat. Now if only they made a real successor to EAW instead of making mobile games and Battlefront
>>64023327
They did the same thing to Vader's NOOOOO as he dumped the Emperor into the reactor as they did to the Krayt Dragon sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxuDU8gims
>>64023225
The Yuuzhan "TotallyNotTyranid" Vong invasion? Rather read about that in my glorious Space Marine novels, not Star Wars.
>>64023398
yo what the fuck
>>64023406
>that one Hive Fleet invasion that came up under the galaxy's Z-axis
that shit's terrifying. They could've had the Vong do something truly intimidating like that but nooooo.
