>learns multiple high level force skills without *any* training
WEW LAD LETS JUST RETCON THE WHOLE OT OF THE FORCE AND MAKE IT ABOUT POWERLEVELS INSTEAD OF FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS AND THE FORCE OF NATURE
>>63954430
Pretty much in line with Luke.
All his Jedi training came from Yoda, who he saw for like 2 days then left. He came back like a year later and all he did then was get told that was enough.
Without anyone telling him, he knew how to use the force to grab the lightsaber on Hoth.
>>63954430
>Luke uses the force for the trench run shot with no training!
GTFO with that prequel lifetime of training bs. Luke also trained with yoda for like 5 weeks.
People forget that between ANH and ESB Luke learned how to attract objects using the force. Obi-Wan never him showed him that and it wasn't even shown in ANH.
>>63954957
>between ANH and ESB
Three years is a long time to learn a trick that he used with considerable effort in the wampa cave.
>>63954997
How many days was it after he met Obi Wan when he "used the force" to destroy the Death Star?
The only training he got was on the Falcon, using the helmet and laser ball thing.
But still! Let's call it all out on Rey instead
Rey was training with Luke at the jedi temple before Kylo went Anakin on the place.
She tapped into her previous training during the fight with Ren.
>>63955097
Rey didn't have the ghost of a Jedi Master helping her.
>>63955097
'The Force' didn't destroy the Death Star, he used it to aim his torpedo. With help.
The way I justified it: In her case, it's kind of like going Super Saiyan. Pressured and backed into a corner, overcome with feelings of powerlessness and certain death await, the FORCE AWAKENED in her. Like how Saiyans turn Super Saiyan.
Maybe the extreme circumstances caused her to become more in tune with the force and was thus able to use its power, as she is a force-sensitive person. Not the same case for everyone.
That's my personal viewpoint from it.
>>63955141
>help
>>63954430
How did she beat Kylo Renn so easily? It's fucking dumb.
>>63954823
>>63954889
trained with obi wan, and it was only a feeling, not advanced techniques
>>63955190
She was already good with the staff, did you even watch the movie? also Kylo Ren is a shitty sabre fighter
>>63954430
Yes because she's a Skywalker which it's well established they are naturally talented at using the force. Pretty lucky that they have the most talented Jedi family as the only Jedi's alive. Could have been some no name shit jedis in hiding
>>63955190
How do people not understand a movie so simple?
Emotion.
Kylo Ren was losing his grip and Rey was gaining hers. It's right there in the movie. She could already fight anyway.
>>63954430
PEOPLE WILL DEFEND THIS
>everyone thought that the black guy was gonna ruin the movie
>turns out he was bro tier and mrs mary sue was the one who fucks things up
We seriously just need to go back to the Shakespeare days where every role is played by a male. Women can still do porn though.
>>63955273
I thought she was pretty good actually.
>>63955247
>naturally talented at using the force
But still need training you fucking autist. Even at the beginning of ESB Luke only just manages force telekinesis
>>63955190
He was wounded and has been bleeding from said wound while fighting Finn the whole time, she had 'The Force' Deus Ex Machina giving her a burst of strength, and he was emotionally conflicted the whole time.
It was a shitty scene, but that's literally the reason.
>>63955215
He trained with obi wan for all of a few days in the falcon prior to being captured and obi wan dying
>>63955097
he always had the ability to make that shot, it's foreshadowed in the previous scene where he mention shooting whomp rats back home. The point was that he had learned to trust in the force and let go, turning off his targeting computer and believing in himself to make the shot.
He didn't change the trajectory of the rockets or any bullshit like that, this use of the force was simply a trust in his own capabilities and reflexes
>>63955305
And then had years to train and practice before ESB
>>63955258
>rey's first time holding a lightsaber
>meanwhile kylo has trained with both Luke and Snoke
>rey wins easily
ebin
>>63955215
He trained with Obi Wan for literally a few hours at best.
His force ghost literally told him to 'use the force' and three years later told him to go and see Yoda. That is literally all Obi Wan did.
Luke and Rey are both naturals.
>>63955297
>Even at the beginning of ESB Luke only just manages force telekinesis
After he had the shit beaten out of him and he was upside down? It's the first time we as an audience see him do it but we don't get any inclination that it's the first time he did it. He seemed to know what he was doing.
>>63955333
Nice full house bro
>>63955297
She was already a proficient fighter and pilot. Then The Force Awakens inside of her. Literally how did you not get that. That movie title was picked purely for that moment in that fight when she closes her eyes and then violently rapes Kylo.
>>63955333
>First time holding a light sabre
>implying light sabres are any different to every other melee weapon
>There's a clear scene at the start where Rey beats the shit out of the two guys trying to steal BB-8 with her staff
>>63955333
>rey's first time holding a lightsaber
Have you already read the script of Episode VIII? I very much doubt it because it was clearly hinted that she's been trained or might be Luke's daughter.
>>63955333
>>rey wins easily
She doesn't win
It doesn't seem easy
Not to mention that Kylo had just been fucking rekt on by the bowcaster shot from Chewbacca. That shit was making stormtroopers fly through the air. It probably broke all of his ribs on that side.
>>63955228
I don't think it was that he was a bad fighter. He was injured really badly by that shot he took from Chewbacca. If he wasn't in pain like that he probably would have killed Finn and Rey outright.
>>63955351
>It's the first time we as an audience see him do it but we don't get any inclination that it's the first time he did it.
Exactly, he had practice. Rey literally had full power first time she ever, EVER tried it
>>63955393
Him hitting his own the wound during the fight, fuck that was great.
>>63955393
why did he keep slapping his side like a fucking autist smacking their head
>>63955411
>full power
Neither of them were at full power. Kylo is a cocky kid riding his grandfathers coattails and she's an independent black woman who don't need no man. They're both borderline average at what they do right now but show great potential and that's because they're from the same damn family of powerful Jedis.
>>63955365
>light sabres are any different to every other melee weapon
They canonically are.
>>63955430
To make it hurt more.
>>63955383
it's easy once she unlocks her powerlevel after the part where she closes her eyes. the reason for all the complaints is that what is actually happening during that pause hasn't been shown properly to the audience - we don't have any basis for understanding it.
like it or not, the only reason is bad writing.
Ren freezing people and that blaster shot in midair was GOAT
>>63955430
more pain < more anger < more powerful bc of the dark side
Rey has a higher force Stat than Kylo idiots. Who cares what the OT said about the force, it's just a stat now and if you have bigger force stat then you win.
JJ Abrams
>>63955480
>the reason for all the complaints is that what is actually happening during that pause hasn't been shown properly to the audience - we don't have any basis for understanding it.
They already said they're going back to the original trilogy concept of emotion over explanation. Instead of getting midichlorians you're reminded that the force is everything that surrounds you in the world. The force awoke inside her at that moment and this is the only explanation you need or will ever get.
posting this again
Rey was training with Luke at the jedi temple before Kylo went Anakin on the place.
She tapped into her previous training during the fight with Ren.
What if she's Sheev's daughter?
>>63954823
there's been like a dozen things that's debunked this, i'm going to go look for a few points some one else cited from a much earlier thread days ago when some one like you said the same wrong shit you just posted a few moments ago.
Copy-paste from other thread
>Luke
Got rekt by the tusken raiders, needed Obi Wan to save him
Nearly got killed by the men in the cantina, need Obi Wan to save him
Needed Leia and Han to cover his ass constantly during the rescue mission, which ended up being a clusterfuck
Screwed up deflecting blaster bolts while Obi Wan was training him, never actually does that until 2 movies later
Rarely uses his lightsaber at all
Initially annoyed Han and Leia with his naivete and innocence
Needed R2 to save him from being crushed by the trash compactor
Needs Obi Wan to protect him from Vader
Needs Han to save him during the trench run from Vader
Pilots competently, doesn't do anything the other rebel pilots can't do (except aim the torpedo)
Uses the force once
>Rey
Beats up four guys by herself
Skilled marksman
Skilled mechanic
Knows more about the Millennium Falcon than Han and Chewie, who piloted and repaired it for years
Can pilot the Millennium Falcon by herself competently enough to outmaneuver two TIE fighters, even though it requires two pilots
Gets kidnapped once, saves herself
Is better at using the Force than Kylo, who trained under Luke for years
Is instantly knowledgeable about probing minds, telekinesis, and using Jedi mindtricks
Instantly skilled at using a lightsaber
Has super saiyan jedi mode, which no other jedi has ever used in the movies
May have possibly learned all of this at the ripe young age of 4, depending on her backstory
Instantly liked by everyone
Instantly trusted by the Resistance to go on a mission to find Luke, even though they barely knew her
>>63954430
This isn't Mary Sue as much as its lazy writing to deal with time constraints.
They not only had to establish all the characters and set the scenes but also have one of the new introduced characters 'discover' the force but the way of the pacing of this movie and all the action that Rey is involved in they sort of had to do it all quickly.
Basically with Abrams any consideration of issues in the plot you could ascribe to practical reasons and not to lore.
But obviously autists will debate to the cows come home about what this means for the force.
DIRECTED BY JJ ABRAMS
>>63955544
>Knows more about the Millennium Falcon than Han and Chewie, who piloted and repaired it for years
She only knows about the modifications that were done to it than Han didn't know about
>Can pilot the Millennium Falcon by herself competently enough to outmaneuver two TIE fighters, even though it requires two pilots
she complains during the battle that she needs a co pilot to work the shields
>>63954997
>>63955097
The skill was never mentioned to him, so he just learned it on his own without training. Period.
Rey knows of all the legends and is playing around with known Jedi skills. So either she's incredibly skilled because of her lineage, or, she was once a trained force user who is re-learning forgotten skills.
Quit being such fucking whiney cunts over the most consequ-
oh wait i forget myself that's pretty much all we ever do in star wars discussions.
carry on with your bitching.
>>63954430
Training in the Force isn't about imparting skills, it's about imparting control. The actual skills are very innate, their use is essentially bending one's will towards a certain goal.
>>63955535
Literally fanfiction, fuck off
>>63955430
cuz the guy is a fucking autist with daddy issues
>>63955535
I wonder if Luke used the force to hide those memories to prevent the empire from hunting her down as well.
>>63954430
>>63954430
I thought it was great.
If you completely ignore the terrible prequel take on it, where force users must be trained from childhood in silly classes, it fits perfectly.
Luke had a handful of training sessions only, and with Yoda none of it was combat.
I thought the movie did a great job of giving a subtle middle finger to the prequels, ignoring anything it didn't want to use. and a few moments, like all of corousant being blown up, and right before a mention of those boring senators, and then a quick shot of sentors being blown up. Nice. And I think some empire guy mentions something like "You wouldn't want us to go back to clones would you?!" kind of a nod, maybe.
>>63955535
and how old was she then? then explain her being super jedi when left on tatooine
>I must defend the honor of Reddit Leddit Media on 4chan /tv/
Fucking pathetic. If this was in the prequels you'd all be sperging out.
>>63955665
>hyper-force sensitive child from ubermensch bloodline trained from a young age by Luke Skywalker.
>not a badass
pick one
btw she was on Jakku
>>63955632
literally heavily implied by the lightsaber vision
did you even pay attention?
>>63955724
No it wasn't.
>>63955411
How do you know that Luke didnt?
>>63955740
it was, her past was tied to Luke's lightsaber because she's his daughter and he abandoned her on Jakku to save her life.
>>63955544
Except unlike Luke Rey spent most of her life on her own and had to learn mechanics, fighting skills etc to survive.
>>63955788
Fanfiction
>>63954430
luke was beta af doe this bitch can handle a saber & shit son.
>>63955811
you're incapable of reading in between the lines
don't worry, it will all be spelled out for you in 2017
Why does JJ have this smug vibe about him?
I get the same vibes from Joss Whedon and Aaron Sorkin
Where did that old alien chick get the lightsaber? I thought Bespin dumped all their trash onto the planet so she'd have had to gone to Bespin and somehow survived the surface of the planet to get it
>>63955523
>>63955523
No, Rey is a Mare-Rey Sue Because the house of Rat and Jar Jar wanted a Power Princess to appeal to the female demographic in order to get more female fans to buy into and to become cash paying followers of this new Disney Princess.
>>63954430
>learns multiple high level force skills without *any* training
>gets the lead role in a blockbuster without *any* training in acting
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
>>63955803
yes, because we all know a man who can ploy the fields, using his hands and all, can at first glance play Van halen's respect for the wind because he used this same hands to ploy the field so surely he can, at first glance, play Eddie Van Halen respect for the wind.
>>63955597
of course she did, wink wink, nod nod; and then for reasons inexplicably unknown to all other than jar jar and the rat, she's a damn good falcon pilot able to dog fight in the innards of a star destroyer even though we've always ever seen Han and Chewie at the controls both of whom are very good pilots.
>>63955885
nothing Rey did was high level, all she did was force pull, Kylo was a shit at hiding his thoughts and trying to impress Vader was so strong in his mind that any hack force user could read it
>>63954823
He trained with Yoda for at least a couple of weeks or a month.
>>63955955
Because all we've seen up until now in the previous six films was a nobody force user, out force an active force user---BRAVO J.J.
>>63955965
Han and Leia were on the run from the Empire in that asteroid field for like a month??
>>63956027
Han was frozen in Carbonite for years
>>63956027
Watch the movie again, they lacked a hyperspace drive and had to manually fly to Bespin, which took a long time.
I mean we could have a whole sitcom series about their travels to bespin but it is implied to take a long time
>>63954430
Will you spergs calm down about Rey's force abilities.
I agree that the Jedi Mind Trick bit was probably the worst offender of what you guys are saying, but give her some goddamn credit.
Maybe being in the presence of Kylo and having him dive into her mind helped her gain an extra amount of control over her abilities.
Maybe she was trained as a child before being abandoned on Jakku.
Maybe there's an explanation for it that will come up in a later film.
>>63956086
You just pulled that out of your ass. They flew there for like a day or two.
>>63956051
Afterwards. Luke didn't go back to Yoda in the year between Empire and Jedi
>>63956027
Here's the thing though, If I were to spend an entire day with Eddie Van Halen and he should me the chords to Respect for the Wind and had me there, for the entirety of 24 hours playing those same chords over and over, and then I, went on to play those very chords for up to a year, After said year I'd be a pretty good damn Respect for the Wind player now wouldn't I? Mare-Rey Sue didn't even have that and yet, she surpasses an active force user who was proficient enough in the force to do what not even Jedi Masters could have done but would have been useful to be able to do in AOTC and ROTS when their lives was on the line and that's stop a bolt in mid air. Not even Vader in ANH was able to use Force Telepathy to interrogate anyone and yet, Ren did just so. That is, until Mare-Rey Sue observed his ability and flawless out psyched Ren. BRAVO J.J.
Who cares , not like she was any good at using it except during the big last fight.
Sounds a lot like Luke to me. Fuck you OP.
>>63956194
>Sounds a lot like Luke to me
Not unless you actually paid any attention to the OT films at any point ever.
>>63956150
And yet, He spent up to two days with YODA! And spent a year plus repetitively applying those very same principles and techniques the greatest force user ever, showed him.
You as a master artist gives me a sketch you did and says, "Do this piece of art here repetitively ten thousand times." And I, over the course of a year plus does just so, I'd be a pretty good damn artist at the end of that ten thousand attempts now wouldn't I?
Mare-Sue Rey though just looked at the art page once and replicated it flawless.
Mechanics make sense.
Flying is pushing it.
Fighting not really.
Scavengers an Orphans don't really know how to fight in real life. Even in media thieves and scavengers get routinely BTFO by hired help. Someone needed to teach her how to fight and use the staff.
Basically, until shit's explained in the next movie she is an absolute Mary Sue who was able to over power someone who's trained in the force for years more than she has (even if she did a little as a kid) then jedi mind trick someone despite her only just learning the force even existed a few hours ago. Which is a high level technique. Literally took Luke years before he could force pull which he struggled to pull off. Rey, against someone who literally stopped a energy blast in mid air and made someone freeze in place, over powered him and took the saber with her force.
>but muh emotions
Dark side lads get a power boost from their emotions, it's what the dark side is about.
I'm hoping the next movie gives an adequate explanation for some of this shit because it definitely could, but she's very OP.
>>63956153
>Here's the thing though, If I were to spend an entire day with Eddie Van Halen and he should me the chords to Respect for the Wind and had me there, for the entirety of 24 hours playing those same chords over and over, and then I, went on to play those very chords for up to a year
I'm sure you would! No relevance though buddy because Luke wasn't training for a year. He had a few hours with Obi Wan, a three year break then a few days with Yoda. At best.
>Mare-Rey Sue
>AOTC and ROTS
Uh oh. Showing your true autism now.
>>63956194
Damn it boy, you've never watched the OT have you?
>>63956230
>Mare-Sue Rey though just looked at the art page once and replicated it flawless.
Implying Rey wasn't already a decent artist
>>63956241
He didn't have no years break son, Luke trained for the entirety of that time. He knew he had to train to defeat Vader and his master. Gosh alrighty you lot are so ready to hop up on Mare-Rey Sue's pegging cock that you've done gone and lost your minds about this.
You really think that Luke, after learning from Yoda spent a year plus jerking off with his robo hand and not in any way practising repeatedly what Yoda showed him?
Autism. Listen you, Jedi Masters never once, not even Yoda, stopped a bolt in mid air and all of them were attacked by bolts. Admit it, Ren showed the most OP force ability ever in both the bolt stopping and the telepathic interrogation, that is until Mare-Rey Sue was found to be not only a quick study, but a master of all she surveys for no good reason at all.
>>63956238
She wasn't exactly fighting an experienced fighter though, she was fighting a mad kid with an impractical saber that was pretty wounded and tired
>>63956290
Bullshit. Rey was a scavenger and was intrigued by the very mention of the force and then went on to master it in minutes.
>>63956341
>Admit it, Ren showed the most OP force ability ever
>in both the bolt stopping
What? How is stopping one bolt at a time by turning towards it and aiming at it any OP? That shit is straight up inferior to just deflecting it with your saber without even looking
> and the telepathic interrogation
This was in the clone wars comics afaik
>>63956341
>Mare-Rey Sue
>The more I say this, the more it might become true! Maybe one day I'll actually learn what Mary Sue means!
>He didn't have no years break son, Luke trained for the entirety of that time
[CITATION NEEDED]
She was mindwiped like revan.
Bastilla was the bestromance to come out of the entire series btw
Rey doesn't need any "training" from Luke, she just went to Luke to find out where Snoke is so he can go fight him and Kylo 1v2.
>>63956348
Yeah, but she also is shown through out the movie to be a competent hand to hand fighter and good with the staff, the question is, how?
>>63956348
a kid who demonstrated the most awesome force power ever seen in any of the films, both telepathy and bolt stopping. but of course Mare-Rey Sue out forced him so I guess I'm forced by said superior force user who is strong for no good reason other than the Rat's marketing department neediing to sell her to the girls and say, "she's awesome, now buy her shit." so I'm forced to, by said Mcguffin to say that I must digress right about now.
>>63956435
By living on a poor as fuck desert planet where everyone wants to steal your shit and rape you every other day, I suppose
>>63956435
Mindwipe
>>63956437
Being you sounds terrible. A life so devoid of fun. enjoyment and excitement.
>>63956365
>applied basic tk
>mastered the Force
kill yourself, retard
>>63956437
Bolt stopping isa poor man's deflection
Mind raping has been used by others and he's not even any good at it
>>63956435
Living for 15 years on a ghetto planet will teach you to survive. Fight or die.
Kylo will beat Rey in the next movie.
>>63956437
Vader was jobbing blasters all the way back in ESB and Kylo knows he's got nothing on Vader.
My brain has crunched.
And I have found a solution to most of the issues for VII.
Only needs a few minor reshoots.
Bear with me:
They need to shoot a scene with Rey inside the crashed Star Destroyer, where she powers on a training simulator and training programs, to explain her piloting skills and language knowledge.
There needs to be a scene with Finn not taking therapy or drugs to imprint the storm trooper conditioning to explain the sudden change of heart.
Also he needs to hesitate and feel guilty after killing the first few of his former allies.
Rey also need to have a dream where she shees a blurry dream like version of luke standing on the island, maybe even some force voice to guide her, wich at that point she doesnt understand. This to better capsulate the "awakening"
at the fight at the end with the sabers locked a force voice (luke, obi wan or so) saying something might help this too.
the shield deactivating scene needs more resistance from Phasma, or more pressure to do it. Now she just says "OK I WILL DIE, and fuck everyone"
Some shots needs to be wider to match the rest of the star wars shooting style (yes this is important)
The death scene needs new music, the piece they used for this belongs in VI and in VI ONLY!
At the death scene the first bolt chewie shoots should hit (like it did) but he needs to fire more and kylo should force freeze em. adding more use to his ability.
what do you guys think?
these few tweaks would totally save the movie for me (albeit that the starkiller plot was stupid but hey...)
>>63956511
Kylo is not the main villain.
>>63956455
Right, so she, inbetween the rapes and getting beaten up she just learnt how to defend herself? If I need to fight to keep whats mine, why would I just automatically be good at it? As I said, Orphans and scavengers and thieves get BTFO all the time in real life and in fiction because being required to do something is not the same as knowing how to do it.
>>63956461
So she learnt how to fight (obv not ren he was too fucked up to defend himself from her at the end, though Finn should've been BTFO) and use the force better than someone who's trained for years and is strong enough that he can stop people from moving and blaster shots in mid air, at the age of 4.
Yeah, she's not a Mary Sue at all.
>>63956525
That's much more impressive to me.
>>63956580
Yes
She was on a desert planet, it's a harsh place, she learned how to defend herself. That makes sense as a backstory. We don't know exactly how she learned it- maybe she used to have a mentor or a partner or something. It's irrelevant though, she's shown to be able to fight and it makes enough sense for me to suspend my disbelief
>A film makes literally no sense without having knowledge from yet unreleased movies
>>63956580
>and use the force better than someone who's trained for years and is strong enough that he can stop people from moving and blaster shots in mid air, at the age of 4.
Who is also an emotional wreck by that point. Control of emotions is key for using the force.
Luke's use of the Force in A New Hope wasn't really much more than just, like, believing in himself, trusting his intuition. It's kinda non-specific
Rey on the other hand pulled the very specific Jedi mind trick. Did she even know what that is or how that works? The Jedi "stories" she'd heard about might not have even included any details on that.
The only justification for Rey's sudden powers is when Kylo Ren says to Snoke "she's strong with the Force, stronger than she knows".
What they should have done is cut the scene with the monsters escaping on Han's frieghter, and instead used that moment to have a scene with Rey pestering Han about the stories and him offhandedly mentioning the Jedi mind trick, just to plant the seed, and reinforce what exactly she does and doesn't know.
>>63956661
>The Jedi "stories" she'd heard about might not have even included any details on that.
But apparently they did because otherwise she wouldn't know it was a thing
>>63956607
>>A film makes literally no sense without having knowledge from yet unreleased movies
Who the fuck jumps into a TV show at season 7 or starts reading a book series at the seventh entry?
You wouldn't do it there so why would you do it here?
>>63956644
Dark Side gains power by unleashing emotions. Luke only beat Vader in the end by unleashing his anger.
>>63955430
Maybe his way to ease the pain?
Stop being an autist
Rey was just good at too many things for one character. Without any overt explanation in the film.
She's a good fighter. A good mechanic. A good pilot. And miraculously skilled with the Force.
If she were just a good fighter and mechanic, that would be fine.
Have Poe pilot the Falcon and have her be the one who actually gets it running. Have her fight Ren off, but not completely defeat him without even getting injured.
>>63956683
Luke wasn't a conflicted wreck
>>63956677
Read the post again senpai maybe you can make a reply which actually makes sense (y)
>>63955597
>eeded Obi Wan to save him
>Nearly got killed by the men in the cantina, need Obi Wan to save him
>Needed Leia and Han to cover his ass constantly during the rescue mission, which ended up being a clusterfuck
>Screwed up deflecting blaster bolts while Obi Wan was training him, never actually does that until 2 movies later
>Rarely uses his lightsaber at all
>Initially annoyed Han and Leia with his naivete and innocence
>Needed R2 to save him from being crushed by the trash compactor
>Needs Obi Wan to protect him from Vader
>Needs Han to save him during the trench run from Vader
>Pilots competently, doesn't do anything the other rebel pilots can't do (except aim the torpedo)
>Uses the force once
she fucking outmanuver 2 modern tie fighters with pilots trained since childs with and ancent huge spaceship..
The force awakened in her it's like women's intuition OK OP you cis scum shitlord!!!!
>>63956499
>g for 15 years on a ghetto planet will teach you to
so the empire/first order must be full of idiots if they spend years training their soldiers since childs when they can just go to a getto and hire some beggers...
Is Kylo Ren actually the Luke Skywalker character?
Young and whiny
Thinks he has some great destiny
Rebels against his parents
Incomplete training
Unable to defeat his enemy
>>63954430
some anon here made a prediction that eventually we will find out she was a "Creation" of the force, a la 5th element.
>>63954430
Until she starts ripping Star Destroyers out of the Sky, I'm gonna keep my head down.
>>63956758
>Implying you can't salvage a flight sim, combat and survival training course sim, and a translator from several wrecked imperial and rebel ships
There should be signs of things like this IN the movie, instead the audience is being asked to assume (or rather, ignore) so much. It's ridiculous. Just throwaway lines, background details, would be enough. But it isn't there.
>>63956605
you clearly have no experience with melee weapons. even being used to fighting with that awkward looking too-fucking-big-for-a-girl-to-use-properly heavy as fuck weighted staff would do nothing more than fuck her up even more when trying to use a light sabre, which handles like a rapier or fencing foil, not a weighted, balanced sword.
>>63956391
>What? How is stopping one bolt at a time by turning towards it and aiming at it any OP? That shit is straight up inferior to just deflecting it with your saber without even looking
> and the telepathic interrogation
So simple a technique yes, and one that no one else did even when it was not only practical but life saving to have done so.
>This was in the clone wars comics afaik
If you'd notice I said the six movies and never once cited any other source for it's obvious that a great many things seen in the clone wars is not canon at all, for instance the light and dark side representation and all that.
>>63956401
citation isn't needed which is a clear indicator you've never once watched any part of the OT. Go watch those films and tell me that Mare-Sue Rey isn't a power Princess. Just before the events of Jedi, Luke builds a green light saber which is an indicator that he's no longer a learner but a Knight. Not yet a master, but a Knight. Lucas himself said that the scene was cut because him using Jedi powers showed better him becoming a Knight so having both scenes would have cheapened the reveal in Jedi. get the god damn dvds and watch it you plebian.
>>63956782
Ben is Anakin done right
>>63956839
Did you watch the Rey Ren fight? Both of them had no technique, they basically just whailed on each other, you don't need a lot of training for that to work
>>63956607
Kind of like, I dunno, The entire Star Wars series for example. Literally started with episode 4.
>>63956478
in the sixth films when it would have been useful there is no indication of mind raping ever being used, ever. Vader could have used said ability when interrogating Leia but instead he uses a droid.
>>63956525
No, the blaster bolt struck his hand. and then he pulled it to him. Nice try though.
>>63956470
i just hate to see bullshit branded as salad is all.
here's a true heroine on the hero's journey...done right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21mzWdfHnwg
the Bride trains with this old bastard for years and gets good THE HARD WAY! this is what Jar Jar should have done. You know why everyone likes those old Jackie Chan movies and Rocky 4, because in each, the hero trains hard and long and suffers horribly while training and comes out better for it. But not Mare-Sue Rey though. she teaches young girls that belief in your self is all you need, fuck the hard, fuck the effort, fuck the training, fuck repetition.
>>63956908
Kylo was clearly trained in single and double handed techniques. Although he is no master he should have defeated them in under five moves each.
>>63956499
A rather fascinating observation, so every woman who has ever lived in a war zone should, by your estimation, be a bad ass fighter, right?
>>63956924
Learn to read
>>63957007
Or every man. She just happens to be a woman, why does that threaten you?
>>63957007
Considering the fact that she's lives alone, not a slave, being a scavenger that scavenge shit on old empire ships, I think she can handle herself pretty well
>>63957046
How many women have you seen that are from war torn areas that's able to take down men a hundred plus pounds heavier than she is?
Let's say, for the sake of argument that the force some how, albeit latently, gave her extra strength, then the data book should have cited that. don't ya think? I mean the data book on Anakin some years ago spoke of how he wrecked pods but was still a manageable pilot because the force gave him a faster reaction time which was super human compared to human terms. So being able to decide a few fractions of a second faster was Anakin's edge, why not say, the presence of the force albeit succinctly in Rey's body makes her a bit stronger than a regular person?
>>63957052
not because she's a fighter though. that's not how it works. a woman is never,ever stronger than a man, unless she's heavier than he is and considerably more efficient in the muscle department. the data book should have said the force gives her an edge.
If lightsabers can have force energy embued in them - like Luke's lightsaber, can we also accept that a fucking spaceship can be imprinted with the power of the force such as the Millennium falcon?
>>63957145
Oh right, this is BB8
>>63954430
Who fucking cares?
No really?
Who actually fucking cares?
Does this actually make you concerned or upset? Does this fucking stupid bullshit actually make you intrigued?
No really, who the fuck actually thinks "I HAVE to make this thread, I truly do care about this stupid fucking shit"
>>63957145
Read your post again. It's fucking terrible.
>>63957149
that objects that has latent psychic energy is utter and complete bullshit and came out of nowhere. it's a cheap attempt at bridging two plots and its lazy and cheap and retarded. fuck j.j. and fuck the mouse.
>>63957188
terrible and yet o so true.
>>63956661
Honestly I think its fair to say that the Jedi were ~absolutely~ notorious during the time of the rebellion.
Jedi were everywhere at one point because they were assigned as body guards to members of the senate right? Jedi dressed uniquely, walked, spoke, and acted completely uniquely from anyone else.
So I think its safe to assume that even people who live on fringe desert planets could have learned about Jedi from hearing stories of the Rebellion at a cantina.
The Jedi as well as the rebels themselves were hailed as war heroes.
If TFA took place 30 years after VI, then I think its within a reasonable timeframe to accept that people on fringe planets could have heard endless stories about the Rebellion and the people who made it happen.
>>63957187
and yet here you are, caring enough to post in this thread
>>63955864
His glasses are quite small for his face. He's got a big face.
>>63956865
Ben makes no fucking sense. I'm not sure what kind pf mental gymnastics should he or we jump through to justify wiping out a whole village of people. Not even rebel scum. Just people that were there. He's a guy that wants to be evil, but has urges to do good. He equates light being tempting as something aching to heroin or torturing animals. He doesn't feel like he succumbed to the Dark Side but straight up volunteered for something that was for 6 movies explicitly stated as bad. It's a bizarre way of trying to introduce some kind of moral gray area in a space fairy tale. It's like that whole every villain looks at himself as the hero, but taken to some extreme bizarro offshot where up is down and the sun is wet.
>>63955258
How do people not understand a world so simple?
The Dark Side.
Sith and the power of the dark side feed off emotion. 'losing his grip' on his emotions is EXACTLY what a Sith goes for. Why do you think Kylo is beating his open wound, to causehimself immense agony, furthering his rage and increasing his raw power. Thats the depth of how mary sue Rae is. She goes from being a competent scavenger, getting annihilated in a fight with a Sith Lord, to being a Jedi Master capable of winning the fight with a creature of rage that feeds off pain with EASE.
>>63958868
>Sith Lord
You guys keep repeating this
He's nowhere close to a Sith Lord, he's a little fag that can use the force and has a red saber
Everything about him screams 'I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing'
>>63955544
Forgot that Luke needed Leia to rescue him from his own rescue mission.
IMO each of the things Rey does by themselves sort of makes sense. She was kind of tough so she beat up some dudes using a big stick. She worked with old salvaged mechanical bits for a living so she was good with machines. Etc.
But when you put it all together and add all the Force stuff it gets to be a bit much. Her biggest character weakness was a desire to be there when her family came back... I mean, come on.
>>63955452
How?
Did ANY of you watch the film or just silent spoiler webms on here?
It's clear that Rey knows a lot about the Jedi, what with her house having a bunch of Jedi memorabilia. It's quite clear she's heard stories about Jedi powers including mind tricks, and after seeing Ren attempt it she knows it's real.
And did noone notice that Ren was bleeding, injured and emotionally unstable? If Rey was just going at him at his peak and still won it'd be bullshit.
>>63954430
We want the Hunger Games audience
>>63958238
>that was for 6 movies stated as bad
The fuck? How is this a criticism?
>>63959107
>her house having a bunch of Jedi memorabilia
literally didn't see that
>>63959107
>implying sword fighting with a lazer is something you can learn in under a minute
>lukes first words/opening scene to the next movie
>REY, I AM UR FATHER
>>63959217
It wasn't just jedi memorabilia but she had a luke doll, a rebel helmet and a few more background things.
She clearly knows all about Jedis and the rebellion from that scene with Han.
>>63959230
>implying she hadn't been fighting with a melee weapon her whole life
If you two watched the film instead of just webms on /tv/ you'd understand.
>>63959278
it wasn't a luke doll it was just a random rebel doll
>>63955376
Needing a sequel to explain the plot holes of a film does not a good movie make.
>>63959312
I thought it was Luke, but still there's no denying that she didn't know about the Jedi. It's one of her most obvious character traits.
>>63959278
I did watch the movie. Swinging around that huge heavy staff that was nearly twice her size isn't much like a lazer sword.
That reminds me, wouldn't dragging that thing around all day in the desert get tiring for a skinny malnourished teenage girl? And wouldn't it get snagged on all kinds of things when she is crawling around inside crashed ships? And why does she take her goggles and face covering off after she steps into the harsh blinding sun and stinging desert wind?
>>63959396
>heavy
When is it shown to be heavy? She carries it around just fine and uses it like a lightweight staff in combat.
>that entire second paragraph
Just pure autism. It must be hard hating every film because of shit like that.
>>63959396
>using a melee staff is entirely different from using a sword
you're retarded
>>63959388
You're making it seem like she was a jedi fangirl, I think more likely that she had a base level knowledge of what jedi were
>>63958979
Exactly. His force powers obviously pale to Rey's (counter mind scan + force pull fail) and his saber is so shitty it's pumping power out of the hilts (those are exhaust ports)
The true Gary Stu is fucking Poe. Gets fucked up in interrogation, completely self heals and does crazy shit with his X-wing that makes Luke's torpedo shot look like a noob maneuver.
Oh but no, let's bitch about the girl because we're all insecure sexist neckbeards.
>>63959482
She was a rebellion AND jedi fangirl and knew Han, Luke and the Falcon.
Is it not possible that she once heard "Jedis can use mind powers and shit" from someone on Jakku? Especially considering the Max Von Sydow character lived there.
>>63959440
You go to professional critics for opinions exactly like that second paragraph. Just because its on 4chan doesnt mean they arent legitimate complaints.
Believability is everything for a movie that wants to take itself seriously
>>63959440
Look at it. It's not a fucking broom handle. If you can't handle discussing a Star wars movie with autists who pay attention to detail then you are in the wrong neighbourhood friendo.
>>63959482
Longstaff is nothing like a lazer sword.
>>63959574
Professional critics don't nitpick tiny loopholes like that. Unless you think someone like YMS is a 'critic'.
>>63959595
bullshit, it's the same general principle
>>63959553
I prefer "over heard it from someone on jakku" to "jedi fangirl" because in the latter case she'd probably have experimented with it sooner
>>63958979
Hes been trained by Supreme Leader Snoke, this is established several times already.
Snoke IS an immensely powerful being, there is no way in hell he would send an incompetent fuck to be his Fist, leader of the Knights of Ren and dually in charge of general operations of The First Order.
Ren is undoubtedly skilled with a decent mastery of the force. He is simply young and inexperienced but the base is there for a really good character. Maybe not a Sith Lord but abso-fucking-lutely more then enough to handle some scavenger from a backwards desert world.
>>63959595
> Longstaff is nothing like a lazer sword.
Depends on the lazer sword.
Star Wars can't seem to make up its mind over whether they actually are heavy or not.
>>63959595
I did look at it in the fucking film and it's not a heavy axe-type thing like you're implying it is.
And for the other points, since you're so autistic.
>tiring
As already said it's not that heavy and she uses a shoulder strap.
>snagging
We don't see her running through any cramped corridors with that thing so why is this an issue?
>harsh blinding sun and stinging desert wind
Because there wasn't a sandstorm and she's used to it. People at the beach don't need goggles you fucking idiot.
>>63954430
she was training with Luke but had a memory wipe and put on Jakku due to unknown circumstance.
you capeshit plebs really need to stop watching simple movies you can't understand, it's pathetic. your pathetic.
>>63959549
You're point is valid yeah. If Poe had been anything other then a secondary character you would be seeing more people complaining about how stupid it is. This is why you see more criticism of Rae
>>63959665
TFA went back to heavy
>>63959607
You do if you want a 10/10 movie.
>>63959632
It is not the same general priciple. One is a heavy stick longer than your body, one is a hand grip with an arm length lazer coming out the end. I would love to see someone try to twirl a lazer sword the same way they do a longstaff. Goodbye hands.
>implying you can even train a 4 year old in anything
>hurr durr she knew stories of Jedi hence it makes sense she can use jedi mind powers.
Are these posts bait? or are star wars fans this delusional.
>>63954430
to be fair, luke trained for like a couple of days. the whole movie is about magic anyway, I don't know why people are freaking about plausibility.
>>63959728
Who's saying TFA is a 10/10?
It's not a 2/10 either which is what the majority of /tv/ wants to believe.
>>63959742
>I just learnt I can use the force
>I remember hearing somewhere they can do mind tricks
>Kylo Ren also tried to do one right in front of me
>hmm... whatever could I do?
You're really this retarded, aren't you?
>>63954430
>people are basically taking the picture I saved and reposting my thread everyday with increasingly bad grammar
wew, never expected to become a meme here, I'm only on this board because of TFA. This board is so bad wew.
>>63955273
>Rey not being your waifu
>2015
shiggy diggy my friend.
Wait a minute, guys. I thought it was a thing in the Star Wars universe that only C-3PO understood the other droids like R2-D2 "beep bops" because he was also a droid.
Did it sound weird to anyone else watching the movie that she can have conversations with BB-8, knowing exactly what it's talking about? Poe Dameron spoke to BB-8 like if it was a dog, not knowing what it was talking about. No one in the prequels or original trilogy aside from other droids, as far as I remember, understood droid language either.
I guess she really is a Mary Sue.
>>63955228
I really hope she keeps the staff and attaches the light saber to the end of it. Sort of like mauls, but just the one sided and a long handle. Something different and unique. Highly doubtful
>>63955297
The way I interpreted the scene was that when Kylo Ren started digging into her brain, she felt what is was like to use the force and it woke something up in her.
>Saw the movie Today
>Rey is a STRONK women who don't need no man and can (literally) do anything
>She cries twice in the movie to show the audience that she's still a human bean, and emotional too
I don't know what feminist, or hell, women want anymore, luke had way more shit happen to him in the first movie, and didn't CRY.
He also had flaws, and was unable to do most things in the first film.
Rey, it's like they wanted her to be SUPER STRONK, yet BE EMOTIONAL.
How people can't see through the transparency is beyond me.
>>63959791
You actually make it sound even more retarded.
>see emperor palpatine throw out lightning
>guess i can do that too
Thats your level of logic.
>>63959681
If it wasn't heavy she wouldn't need a strap in the first place. The ends are weighted which creates a balance issue. Unless those things at the end are made of tinfoil.
>tiring
When was the last time you carried anything at all up and down a few sand dunes?
>snagging
She is inside a wrecked ship with a great big stick sticking out above her head and behind her. It WILL get snagged, probably several times a day.
>sun
You don't remove your protective clothing like that. The glasses are tinted which implies they are for outdoor use or perhaps welding, both of which renders them useless inside a dark space and useful outside in the light. The correct thing to do would be to take cover in the shade outside the ship, take a drink and then replace the protective gear before leaving the shade.
>>63959878
I thought it was like Iron and magnets, soon as she felt a field she felt she could push back
>>63957188
looks good to me guvnuh
>>63959387
Actually, in a series it works to build plot tension and set up the potential for reveals. Unless you just want to watch self-contained movies.
>jedi power unlocks from experiencing someone elses force powers
Lol thats literally japanese anime level bullshit
>>63959883
maybe she is the secret villain? In 8 and 9 she becomes the dark side?
Nah everybody involved in this shitty series is too much of a hack to try anything that deviates from the formula.
>>63959927
Better explanation of what I was trying to say.
>>63959844
>nitpicks
>>63959883
you'll get a girlfriend one day, kid.
>>63959387
this, but this was never designed as a standalone movie, its a transition to a new trilogy. And from a marketing standpoint, its essentially an episode of a miniseries that should make you want to pursue further.
>>63955864
He's gone very far despite having mediocre ability. Guys like that are always cocky.
>>63959883
There's nothing inherently wrong with being strong yet emotional. Being capable doesn't necessarily mean you have a solid grasp on your emotions. I think the problem is that it all happened in one film.
>>63959844
Luke talked to R2 several times during Empire and Jedi.
>>63960323
> Luke talked to R2 several times during Empire and Jedi.
I know at least during ESB he talked to R2 at least a bit via a readout in his X-Wing cockpit that translated R2-speak into real-speak. Can't remember in RotJ.
>>63955864
It's a combination of his really strange and punchable face, his name being shortened to "JJ" and the fact that he's hailed as a big director for doing the bare minimum.
>>63956116
You know this how?
>>63959844
both Anakin and Luke could understand R2-D2
>>63960425
Its been a long time since I've seen any star wars movies, but I thought Luke only talked to r2 and understood him through the xwing which was translating it onto a screen in front of the pilots seat
>>63954430
>FORCE OF NATURE
it still that though
it picked her remember
and it decided to make her OP
>>63956348
^^^^^^^^^^^
This
>>63960323
>>63960366
>>63960425
>>63960484
Both only understood R2-D2 by written text shown in the cockpit. Other than that, they talked to R2-D2 like if it was an animal barking sounds at them.
I love this "Ren isn't even strong anyway so that means Rey isnt a Mary Sue character."
That leaves you with two conclusions;
>JJ Abrahams wrote a Star Wars movie that stars a pissweak antagonist for no reason
>A guy personally training under the big bad Snoke is weak and by extension so is Snoke. Kylo is named the Master of the Knights of Ren and has huge control over a galactic military force - but it's okay guys he's a weak character trust me.
The Force Awakens is genuinely prequel tier writing. JJ tried to directly plagiarise A New Hope and he even screwed that up.
>>63954430
>AND MAKE IT ABOUT POWERLEVELS
>multiple high level force skills
You're the one making it about power levels you daft cunt
>>63958979
And this^^^^^
>>63960989
>Ren isn't even strong anyway so that means Rey isnt a Mary Sue character.
That's not what anyone is saying you fucking idiot. Rey beat him because Ren was injured, bleeding and at a fucked up emotional state.
And even then most of the fight was Rey running away before she had her "use the force" moment.
>>63960989
Hux is the true main villian
>>63956528
I agree with all of your points anon. Except the force voice thing has always seemed really cheesy to me
>>63955544
But Luke was basically a farmer. He was so uncomfortable when entering the cantina, like he is an anon and has never met rough people. Rey on the other hand grew up on a place like the cantina.
Rey is obviously Luke's daughter.
Luke left her on Jakku to be watched by Max von Syddow and the junkyard fat guy (you see him taking Rey away in her flashback, when he sees her with the droid he knows the droid is related to Luke's disappearance) after Kylo Ren kills all the other students
Would explain the lightsaber "reacting" when she goes to grab it
She's clearly very strong in the force
She is an excellent pilot (just like Luke and Anakin were)
Also a variety of other things I can't think of off the top of my head
>>63960017
>Le "Hehe u must be a virgin" may may
Dayum nigga, how many straws did you manage to grasp with that one?
>>63960323
>I think the problem is that it all happened in one film.
That is literally the problem, Rey is a mary-sue mainly because they wanted to get it all out of the way in the first film.
They'll need to keep up that pace though, any change in character development is going to seem unnatural as fuck, and will just fuck thinks up even further.
The foundation is shaky as fuck, mainly because they didn't want to take any risks, and that essentially means your characters are going to be a bit shit for the rest of the saga.
The point I was trying to make though, was, pandering (or awful pacing) becomes apparent when you try to make your character sob twice in the same movie where that very same character is doing pretty impossible things.
Luke wasn't a little bitch, and was generally useless in the first film, because, he was written as someone who would grow gradually within all 3 movies.
If luke was doing the same stuff that rey did in the flick, all in the first film, I'd literally have the same complaints.
