So this was really mediocre, right?
>>63841068
Nope. Better than ROTJ and all of the prequels.
>>63841143
Agree. Still makes it mediocre though. I'm personally really happy about how it turned out to be.
>>63841068
Not really a SW movie. More like a Marvel movie pretending to be a SW movie.
Huge let down desu.
>>63841852
love this meme
>>63842132
Shitty copypasta, get your ass out of here, you retarded 13-year old facsimile
>>63842262
fuck off to reddit
>>63842262
GO BACK TO REDDIT
>>63842273
>>63842297
You need to use more lube when you're gangbanged by your nigger boyfriends so you won't feel as butthurt
>>63841068
no it really fucking sucked, worst one yet.
god damn that gave me a headache.
>>63841143
>Better than ROTJ
nope.jpg
>>63842262
reddit the poster
>>63842431
samefag the virgin
>>63841143
You fucking what cunt? ROTJ has one of the best duels AND based Sheev cucking Luke's ass with lightning.
>>63842406
this so much.
nothing in TFA comes close to ROTJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE1nL4xFOfM
even the Saber duels in ROTJ are better.
so was the cinematography, lighting, sound, music, pacing, and characters.
Hell even the effects were better because they didnt give me a headache.
>>63842555
even the dialogue was beter in ROTJ.
the dialogue was fucking better.
what the fuck?
>>63841068
THE NEW OBJECTIVE STAR WARS TIER LIST
V>IV>VII>VI>III>I>II
>>63841068
It's ok anon. Not terrible but only decent. Want my advice? Just wait and save your money. Not worth 10 dollars.
nah it was pretty good
>>63841068
The only reason people are liking this, is because it isn't as bad as the prequels.
The movie on its own is painfully mediocre.
Just saw it, i enjoyed it and accept it as a proper addition.
BB-8 was qt
I liked Rey, headstrong hero
I liked Fin, funny, really rooting for him despite his faults
Liked the luke hunt idea, great cliffhanger ending
Battles were tight. Dope costumes and imagery as expected
Traitor trooper was boss
Liked kylo ren up until he took his fucking helmet off and began CRAAWWWWLLLINNGGG
Phasma felt wasted
Snoke has a retarded name
Carrie fischer gave an awful performance as expected
BIGGGURR DEFF STURR was stupid but i got over it.
Overall i felt good about it
>>63842803
>VII>VI
the fuck?
>>63842803
This.
>>63842921
oh its worst than the prequels, but for different reasons.
>>63843130
He's not wrong.
would you?
>>63843111
TRIPS ARE LAW
WE ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT
>>63841068
it was decent
it'd watch it again over any of the snorefest prequels any day of the week
I thought I'd be way worse, glad it turned out okay
>>63843191
you lie
>>63841068
Yeah, just got back from it.
It's thoroughly mediocre, I'd give it about a 6 maybe 6.5.
Visually it's very good, but the story is a rehash of Ep IV, the writing it bland, the script was clunky and full of ass pulls, the pacing is rushed yet not consistent and the acting was hit and miss. The characters were weak, Rey is a complete Mary Sue with a weak actor (probably the worst part of the movie) and the villain is pathetic.
The movie is fun to watch if you weren't expecting anything deep and are happy to turn your brain off. If all you care about is original trilogy fan service then you won't be disappointed, but as a movie standing on it's own merit it's absolutely mediocre. It wasn't a waste of the ticket price, but I've little interest in seeing it again.
>>63842262
>The Return of The Redditor 7: Reddit Awakens
>>63843172
I'm honestly curious what was so bad in TFA that makes it worse than any of the prequels
>>63841068
yeah I thought it was just alright. I over heard someone when i was walking out of the theater say that it was one of the best movies he's ever seen. I was shocked
>>63843111
10/10 analysis
but didnt finn die? at least that was the idea I got
>>63841068
It's okay, but nothing special. Nor does it deserve all the high praise it is getting.
>>63843399
nigger please, in ROTJ they rehash almost the whole plot with a new death star "oh welp gotta destroy it again"
at least here they took it to the next level
>>63843556
Not the same guy, but to me what's bad about TFA is that it is a lazy rehash of A New Hope with a worse protagonist (Marey Sue) and a worse villain (Crawling Ren).
I would take a really bad, but funny movie like the prequels over this generic shit.
>>63843727
>new level
>wot weesa gonna do jay jay
>...another death star...... but bigger
>>63843730
seriously Ren seemed like a little bitch in this movie.how the fuck did he lose a lightsaber fight against ren? a little girl with no lightsaber experience at all
>>63843556
>>63843556
what >>63843730
said + bad cinematography, shit lighting, bad acting, shit pacing, plot holes, sense of scale is non existent, and John Williams worst work yet.
also pointless characters and scenes and the only good part are the storm troopers.
its not a star wars movie, its disney's marvel's the references and quips awaken, directed by JJ Abrams.
>mediocre
I keep seeing this word, is it one or multiple autists posting it?
>>63842555
You're comparing the best parts of RotJ to the entiriety of TFA. RotJ had one great series of scenes strung along by two utterly pointless subplots and one cool space battle.
>>63843841
if you wanna simplify it like that sure
>>63843893
you're on /tv/, what do you think?
>>63842803
this is fine
>>63843636
Lol wut? Naw. He got cut up bad though. When they return to yavin4 some medical person is like WE HAVE A HEARTBEAT.
>>63843893
It really is mediocre anon, that's just the best word to describe it. It wasn't bad, it wasn't good, it was mediocre. A completely "meh" film.
>>63841852
Accurate
>>63843842
The entire point of Ren is that he's just some wannabe badass Vaderboo who is revealed to be a complete pussy. He's like Luke at the end of ANH-tons of potential but utterly inexperienced.
>>63842803
>Pleb taste
Why are younger actors all so ugly and uncharismatic?
Why can't they find good looking people to play roles in movies?
Why do they all have to be uggos?
Why didn't they find and hire this generation's equivalents to young Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher?
Is there some sort of body acceptance agenda going on? Are handsome people illegal now?
>>63841852
This could have easily been a Guardians of the Galaxy movie.
It doesn't feel like Star Wars.
>>63841852
>>63842803
horrible taste
>>63843842
rey.
as in Mar-Rey Sue
>>63843956
which is more than what TFA had.
>>63842883
>nah it was pretty good
i find the capeshiter
>>63841068
Really couldn't stand the Jedi girl, her whole attitude just got on my nerves throughout the whole film. When you don't support the protagonist it kills a lot of the movie, so I was more telling her to fuck off than rooting for her.
Liked Finn though, he was cool.
>>63844088
>It doesn't feel like Star Wars
Did we see the same movie?
>>63844025
>The entire point of Ren is that he's just some wannabe badass Vaderboo who is revealed to be a complete pussy
exactly. Not the best traits for your big bad villain.
>>63842803
Swap V and IV and we've got a deal.
>>63844025
But how come he is one of the leaders of the First Order if he is such a wimp?
Luke started as a no-one.
>>63843842
Well if you remember she had that stick and was really handy with it in the earlier scenes and her movements in the lightsaber duel were similar implying some kind of practice or previous skillzz.
Also Kylo got fucked up bad by chewie and fin before fighting her and it was obvious his power was fading dramatically as the movie went on.
Also how is she any more of a mary sure than luke?
>>63844025
so a shit character then. wow bravo jewjew 8/10 can't wait to give disney money for the next piece of shit
>>63841143
>Better than ROTJ and all of the prequels.
I havent seen the new star wars but i can easily believe this is true. Although that doesnt mean its not mediocre
>>63841311
You want to know how I know you're a jaded fuck?
How you can put a movie on roughly equal footing with one of the best and most iconic movies of all time and still call it mediocre.
>>63844189
The point of Kylo is that he's wants to be Vader but is too rash and impulsive. That makes him more unpredictable and, in that way, the stakes seem higher.
>>63844222
>Luke started as a no-one.
but he wasnt a bitch. he kicked ass.
>>63844222
He has ForceHaxx
>>63843999
I disagree. nice trips tho
Did anyone feel like there was this absurd contrast between traditional star wars and the new flavor of joss whedon marvel/buffy style dialogue?
Poe felt right and in-character then he breaks with this buffy style banter in front of Kylo and charred remains.
And Finn was just a complete insert of some black buffy character into star wars.
>>63844160
Remove the old characters (Han, Leia and Luke) and any lightsaber shit, and it feels and looks like exactly like Guardians of the Galaxy.
It has this generic processed feel to it that you find in any of the Marvel movies.
>>63842730
frickin' Krampus had better dialogue than TFA
>>63844318
>Did anyone feel like there was this absurd contrast between traditional star wars and the new flavor of joss whedon marvel/buffy style dialogue?
Exactly this. God. I liked the movie, but that shit annoyed the fucking hell out of me. People laughed, like, after every minute.
>>63844318
Yeh it was annoying as fuck.
Finn asking Rey why she wanted to go back to the desert planet 'your parents, your friends, uhh you got a boyfriend?'
Was so cringey and character breaking, he is supposed to be a damn trained stormtrooper not a typical nigger.
people actually clapped in the theater at the end of the movie. I couldn't even believe it. and yes I am american
This movie just felt like really good character development, with a really meh plot. Gets me hype for the next one though ngl. Since i really like these characters i feel like if the next has a stronger plot and conflict and the like itll really be amazing. TFA was good and entertaining at best though.
>>63842132
>recommending SAO and Aldnoah Zero
>>63842262
>yelling at people not taking the b8
I don't know who's trolling who anymore.
>>63844344
fuck your right never thought about that comparison.
If you really need to ask that question you don't have the braincells to comprehend how good it was.
>>63844274
Youre supposed to like luke, youre not supposed to like ren. I doubt he will even be a large part of episode 8
>>63844318
The difference between the two franchise is that, while both have quips, TFA also managed to give the characters a character. Really, if I think back every Avenger member is cardboard cut-out compared to the new SW characters
>>63844481
>good character development
>Finn
A stormtrooper with a crisis of conscience that gets reduced to a bumbling sidekick
>Rey
A badass scavenger that turns into a badass jedi at the end
> Poe
Hispanic Han Solo (he has no development)
>Ren
Evil bad guy that becomes even more evil at the end.
There's no chacacter development
>>63844445
What is it about you fucking retards that makes you think like this?? Breaking character???
Are you a fucking multi million dollar film critic? He was actually funny the whole movie or weren't you watching? Jesus Christ your whinging is becoming unbearable 4chinz
Let me guess you didn't like when BB-8 did the lighter thumbs up either?
>>63844613
Finn isn't a character, he is literally a stereotypical nigger and acts like one which is hilarious since he is supposed to be a stormtrooper.
Poe hard to say, he feels let down by the script more then anything else.
And kylo literally acts like an inbred teen about to cut his wrists.
>>63844655
Nah i don't find joss whedon jokes all that humorous but i'm not underage.
>>63844516
Think about that scene with the tentacle rape monster for exemple.
Doesn't that looks like a scene that could've easily come out off Guardians of the Galaxy?
>>63844644
u wot m8
Finn grows as a person from wanting to run from the First Order to fighting them.
Rey goes from wanting to go back Jakku to wait for her parents, to being an almost Jedi.
Poe was in the movie for like 5 minutes total, so no surprise there.
There was no visible development for Ren, but we saw his motivation to live up to Darth Vader, and his failing miserably. Next movie will be his development into an actual big bad.
>>63844741
ahha yeah that scene was dumb as hell. that tentacle monster seemed totally out of place
>>63844644
Its not about the characters themselves but how they evolve together. Also your character analysis is pessimistic, unfair, and untrue.
>>63842555
This is literally the only good scene anyone can come up with for ROTJ.
>>63844741
Damn i'm kinda scared to analyze this more because i'll probably find a zillion thing's that are like that.
>>63844680
What exactly does he do that makes him a "stereotypical nigger"
>>63844875
jabbas palace shit was pretty cool. made luke look like a badass
>>63844827
They don't "evolve" together.
Rey never meets Poe and Han Solo (the guy who always distrusts people) instantly accepts and trusts Rey.
Rey and Finn starts with Finn wanting that white pussy (you know he does), and ends with Rey friendzoning comatose Finn.
Great "interactions" there.
>>63844989
DROID PLEASE
>>63845019
Aight im done thats enough peruvian beanstacking forums for me today
>>63844741
Damn i completely forgot about that. Yeah that was really bad.
>>63844267
Cmon a fucking padawan has more force level, he sucks, a pathetic villian
>>63844989
his face makes him a stereotypical nigger.
Was anyone else bothered by how quickly Finn just stops being a stormtrooper, I mean come on. They say in the movie that they are practically raised from a very young age to be the best soldier.
>>63844481
You are kidding, r-right?
Just got back from watching it.
Didn't even feel like a Star Wars movie.
>>63844655
hello reddit!
>>63844318
>Poe felt right and in-character then he breaks with this buffy style banter in front of Kylo and charred remains.
the camera frames were already throwing bad signs for me but this is when i went "GOD DAMN IT!" in my head, because its all shitty quips.
>>63844613
Makes sense since the Avengers and all marvel films are essentially a new hope
>>63841068
I'd give it like a 7/10
It has good action and some of the acting is fine, the story is garbage tho and it looked rushed at the end. I think JJ didn't have control on the script
>>63843111
I would say I agree with all your points except on Ren or Fischer.
Ren without the mask struck me as the idea of an emo teen Jedi like Anakin but done well. I hate everything about Driver yet somehow I enjoyed his performance, especiallywhen he killed his dad on the bridge, that was some very good acting tbqh.
Fischer wasn't horrible but she felt outclassed at this point, considering the originals were legitimately b-tier films in terms of the acting talent and that's what she brought to the table. Still perfectly adequate though
>>63845132
>stormtrooper acts confused
>wtf why? who is he?
>he busts out Poe all of a sudden
>wtf
>Ok they discuss his rogue trooper expect some backstory to explain his 180 from every other trooper
>his records show no abnormality in personality
>LOL
>acts like a typical ghetto black teen all the way through the movie
Finn's character didn't make sense, nor did they even try to make it make sense.
>>63843111
are you me?
>>63845132
also he doesn't even look like a stormtrooper he doesn't have that perfect soldier look at all
>>63844680
i thought he was essentially Chris Tucker. Especially with that "I'll blast your head off" bit.
It was ok. Better movie than his Treks. And more Star Wars than his Treks were Star Trek.
>>63845028
Really though explain, i did not see him act like a stereotypical nigger. I used to work in a McDonald's in baltimore I have very good experience with your stereotypical nigger
>>63841068
7 on 1-10 score line
A rehash of the first movie but worse.
>>63845132
>Was anyone else bothered by how quickly Finn just stops being a stormtrooper, I mean come on. They say in the movie that they are practically raised from a very young age to be the best soldier.
I didn't mind that.
It's the premise for his character, so them not going in huge details about it didn't bother me.
Also it is the first time in Star Wars history that they have tried to humanize a Stormtrooper.
What pissed me off was that they turned him into comic relief and decided to go with MaRey Sue instead as the main character
Think about it: you could've gotten a trilogy about a Stomtrooper becoming a Jedi. That would've been pretty neat.
>>63845262
He was on sanitation duty for his whole life. That was his first combat deployment, ever. He just couldn't handle his best friend dying right in front of his eyes and the slaughter of civilians. Basically he got instant PTSD, shit happened to people in Vietnam and some of them even abandoned the army, like Finn did.
I honestly disliked how JJ portrayed the mind reading scene, which is basically just Rey and Ren staring at each other for like a minute without anything happening. The last one with the helicopter shot also was a bit meh, though maybe I'd have liked it more if I wasn't spoilered.
Everything else felt pretty well done, though I also felt like the movie lost a bit of steam in the end and Rey was a bit shallow as a character.
>>63845254
I'll admit I'm biased on Ren, as I went into the theater wanting some badass BBEG. and i liked the scene with han on the bridge. He just seemed... Too comedic i guess?
>>63841068
How the fuck is it rated so highly? Very average.
>>63843111
trips confirmed true
>>63845263
Yes. I am also the eggman and the walrus
>>63844079
>>63844079
Daisy Ridley and Oscar Isaac are both hot
>>63843893
It has been in the english language for hundreds of years, anon
>>63845662
why is any modern movie rated so highly?
marketting and retards being told its good.
>>63841852
Fucking this
>>63845132
Didn't they mention Finn working in sewage and the mission in Jakku was his first action mission?
>>63845813
JJ Adams thinks a plot twist is foreshadowing and foreshadowing is a plot twist.
>>63845813
Stop making sense. That upsets /tv/
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>>63845786
>muh sheeple
>>63845908
dude, jurassic world made over a billion and the transformers movies keep out grossing each other.
Predictions:
Kylo was weak because Snoke was intentionally holding him back until the thing that Snoke believed to be the main threat to his hold over Kylo (Han) was dealt with. That's why Kylo is off to 'finish his training' at the end of the movie.
I think both he and Rey are the only two that can contest Snoke's power, which is why he will intentionally keep Kylo/Ben from under performing compared to his potential. I think him trying to either tempt Rey to serve under him or be destroyed will be a plot point later.
Rey is Luke's daughter. She was left on Jakku when Kylo went and killed the rest of the trainees for her protect, and probably had her memory wiped or was too young to remember anything. This explains her having some ability with the force/lightsabers. That or she was given up by Luke to hide the fact that he had a daughter and her adoptive family abandoned her for whatever reason, perhaps to protect her for the reason above.
Also I think Kylo will redeem himself at somepoint and will take down Snoke with Rey.
>>63845972
>Also I think Kylo will redeem himself at somepoint and will take down Snoke with Rey.
so rehash of a new hope.
>>63845961
Jurassic World has like a 71% on RT, and all of the Transformers films are rated lowly.
>>63845725
Do ho ho ho
>>63842132
This is my new favorite SW meme!! Keep it up /b/!!
>>63845972
>Rey is Luke's daughter
Who would be the mother, then?
>>63846073
>>63846073
71% is still too high and they still made a fuck load of money.
or need i whip out the avengers card?
>>63845662
People feel inclined to give it high scores just because it's Star Wars. Actually read the reviews on RT, they all pretty much say that it's not that great of a film in many regards yet they all give it 10/10's.
>>63845569
>which is basically just Rey and Ren staring at each other for like a minute without anything happening.
Yeah that shit was awkward as fuck.
Finn, ex-Stormtrooper, is a good shot
Thought this was funny.
>>63846157
>Who would be the mother, then?
>>63841852
This
>>63843111
I agree mostly, except for a few things.
I think Kylo was a better character than Rey.
I think it would have been better if the first time he took off his helmet was the confrontation with Han.
The hunt for Luke was a good idea, but the whole "missing map piece" made no sense at all. The map literally had the path drawn out and the end location was within BB8's piece. they didnt need the rest of the map.
I dont know what you refer to with "traitor trooper" but if it was that baton guy that Finn fought then I must disagree. That made no sense, why would this random trooper have this weapon to fight a light saber?
>>63846252
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>>63846169
Yes, I'm sure you have better taste than everyone. What Avengers card?
>>63846312
the entire Piece of Shit MCU.
everyone claims its good, give it a shit load of cash, but weeks later completely forgotten about. No lasting impressions.
>>63846293
They didn't know any of the things that were on the small piece of the map.
It'd be like if someone handed you a cutout piece of map of a part of Siberia with a dot in the middle and nothing that you know around it. You'd need to reference it with a global map to figure out where you're going in reference to places you already know.
>>63841068
haha¨
nope it was fucking awesome you gay ass cynic
>>63845457
>Think about it: you could've gotten a trilogy about a Stomtrooper becoming a Jedi. That would've been pretty neat.
>stormtrooper is on his way to becoming a jedi
>he is force sensitive but is struggling to fully grasp the force, especially with no master
>constantly fighting back his stormtrooper programming
>make Phasma the TRAITOR! stormtrooper
>constantly hunting down the stormjedi with jedi-repelant baton
>proves to be an extremely competent fighter, maybe even slightly force sensitive
>only barely escapes encounter with Phasma and only with help of friends
>at the end of the trilogy, Phasma corners him
>all hope is lost and his mind is breaking down
>stormjedi fights back with his mind and breaks through the programing with the help of Luke in his mind (RIP) and defeats Phasma
Why didn't we get this.
>>63845972
>That's why Kylo is off to 'finish his training' at the end of the movie.
I'll have to re watch the movie, but it didn't seem like kylo had enough time to get off that planet before it was destroyed. He was in the middle of the woods, so I assume it would take a while for him to get to a ship.
>>63846293
>I think it would have been better if the first time he took off his helmet was the confrontation with Han.
fucking this man. it annoyed me so much. like he's this mysterious villain. then in a random scene where he's supposed to seem weak he takes it off.
>>63844079
Dude wtf are you on about? Daisey Ridley is gorgeous
>>63846293
Well the idea seemed to be that they didn't know where the fuck this little piece of mapped space was, so it was useless out of context.
I mean, it's kind of stupid but the only 'solution' I see that they could've easily applied is just more techno-babble on top.
>>63845019
did rey strike anyone else as similar to a donut steel self-insert mary sue character?
it really fucking seems like some idiot fan's version of ep7 where omg they're luke's daughter and they're really badass and omg i'm a force master with no training
>>63846618
apparently enough of the first order made it off, but the pacing and editing is completely fucked to tell.
>>63846622
I had seen Han's death via a webm before the movie and then when he took his mask off earlier in the film I was actually stunned.
it was SUCH an easy thing to do properly and they fucked it up. they must have really, really thought showing him being a crybaby would make him scarier or more believable.
if they'd left it until Han's death his character development would have actually been better.
>>63845132
>First ever field mission
>Big Boss of the Order saw him disobeying a command
>Supervisor tells him he's in deep fucking shit for it
He was a failure of a Stormtrooper, and didn't want that life for himself. He knew he was fucked and took the very first opportunity to escape. It was completely reasonable.
>>63846622
To me it symbolizes that Kylo is gonna be a sort of anti Anakin. They humanized him in order for him to turn to the light by the end of the trilogy. Then again he did kill Han Solo, and the point was made that EVERYONE witnessed his evil act. Maybe that was the potential turning point and by him killing Han, he has turned to the dark side for good.
>>63846618
I'm pretty sure Snoke tells that General to leave with Kylo so they can go to him and he can "finish his training" when everything is going to shit on the planet.
Not a SW fan. Should I go see it? JJ's work usually makes me rage.
>>63846779
No.
>>63846746
he was a fucking garbage man.
also i swear they lifted that joke from fucking Tropic Thunder.
>Did you even serve in Nam!?
>Of course i did! Coast Gaurd...Sanitation unit.
>Oh great we made an entire movie based on the lies of a fucking garbage man!"
at least that movie was INTENTIONALLY funny.
>>63846657
>>63846536
I guess, but that scene where they finally brought the map together mad it look like it was a massive section of the galaxy. A better analogy would be if the map was a cutout of Asia and a pinpoint in Siberia. But I get what they were going for I just wish it was depicted in a different way.
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who noticed the overly obvious symbolism with Kylo and Han on the bridge.
Kylo's face is fucking split half-blue half-red by two different light sources, and once the sun is drained right before he kills him his face is in all-red light.
This makes me believe that >>63846748
may be the case and now Kylo is fully dark,though I am hoping he redeems himself somehow.
>>63846746
>>63846746
he could have just fired his blaster and missed the villagers, it's not like anyone would have criticized him for being unusually bad at aiming.
Nah, I really iked it.
>>63846764
yeah snoke did say that, but how would the general even find Kylo? also like>>63846733
said, maybe it was just the editing. Because it seemed like very shortly after the millenium falcon took off and left the planet, the planet blew up. and chewie landed the MF next to rey right after her fight with kylo.
I know this is my inner /pol/ going off, but how do they keep fucking getting away with it?
This fucking bullshit kike propaganda is nothing more than an attempt to part foolish goyim from their money.
If Abrams had been born in 1940's Germany we wouldn't be having this problem.
>>63846871
>it's not like anyone would have criticized him for being unusually bad at aiming.
they would in this movie.
>>63846861
To normies, Killing Han makes Kylo irredeemable. If he turns, it will be in death.
>>63846871
He was too caught up in his feelings I guess.
>>63843842
Chewie shot him in the gut and FN2187 got a hit on his sword arm. He was not on his A game when he was fighting Rey and for the first half he was pushing her back constantly.
>>63846850
In the star wars universe only about half of the galaxy is mapped
>>63846925
I don't know, maybe there were going for ANH style ending where the main bad guy's situation is unknown.
If that was how they killed off Kylo it'd be fucking retarded.
>>63846861
I too liked the idea of him eventually turning to the light, but that scene definitely seemed to symbolize that he killed the light in him along with his father.
>All these people complaining about Kylo Ren
Okay, maybe I misinterpreted what the movie was trying to tell me, but I never got the feeling that I was supposed to be scared or intimidated of him.
From the moment he started slashing the console I instantly characterized him as a whiny, childish villain who was so insecure about his lack of real power that he was willing to do anything to get people to think he was actually evil. His hero worship of Darth Vader also gave me that impression—Vader is everything he can never be, so he treats Vader like a god.
I think this kind of fucked up how I viewed the rest of the movie. Him getting rekt by Rey during the torture scene felt natural, because I never really considered him that powerful. His moment with Han seemed to be more of a "Hey, killing your dad is evil, so I can do that and then be evil, r-right?" type of thing than a "hello audience, I am evil" type of thing. A lot of the things that are really pissing off other people aren't making me angry at all.
I don't know. I just never got the feeling that Kylo was supposed to be a real threat.
Should I watch Star Wars A New Hope?
Is this a bad franchise to start when you're older?
>>63844875
Fucking please. The whole first act with Jabba's palace is boss. The gang's all back together, slowly but surely we realize, in a hostile new (yet obv familiar) environment. And later we have the three simultaneous angles on Battle of Endor, which is actually PACED decently to accommodate the very different tempos. And plenty of secondary characters (and gear) are back as well, in a way that makes sense and doesn't feel forced or rushed, unlike initial impressions of another film.
Literally the only reason why people actually feel obliged to hate ROTJ is the ewoks. For a third installment whose principal function is to bring the larger story arc in for a safe landing, it does perfectly fine. In fact, let me go a bit further: it's one of the better "third installments" in ANY film franchise, that I can think of - If things are really going to fall off the rails, this tends to be the film where it happens. Paradoxically, the opposite is true of TV seasons, because they tend to have written more material (not every bit of which has to be gold), and really found a voice for an ongoing narrative that isn't expected to be over by this point.
>>63846998
you are correct. Anons saying otherwise are fucking retarded.
>>63847005
no, the original 3 are not only good star wars movies, they're excellent for anyone with an interest in film.
a New Hope is especially an editors wet dream. At least when you read the backstory.
>>63847005
No, its still enjoyable
>>63841068
In my humble opinion,
PROS
>Poe and Finn are nice characters
>The acting was nice
>The visuals were beautiful
CONS
>Unoriginal plot (way too unoriginal t.b.h.)
>Rushed development
>Rey is too OP
>Main villian (Kylo Ren) is a whiny faggot (no motivation)
>Too much nostalgia-pandering
>Death Star 3.0
>Many plot holes (inb4 "the next movies will solve them")
>No contextualization (what is the Republic? why it isn't the same as the Rebellion?)
Overall - 6.5/10
>>63846969
Finn shouldn't have been able to get any hits on him even if he was injured. Finn was just a below average storm trooper with no experience.
>>63846998
It does seem apparent that Kylo is not very powerful...yet. He lacks discipline and is very insecure, which makes him weak. We've seen his power when he is focused, he's no slouch. If he completes his training with Snoke he will become significantly more powerful.
>>63844741
The very first thing I thought of was Meryl's crew when those mercs showed up
>>63846984
>If that was how they killed off Kylo it'd be fucking retarded.
yeah he's definitely still alive, but I just thought the timing seemed way off
Mediocre in a way its way worse than the prequel trilogy if you forgive it for dumb shit like jar jar etc.
Characters build on merchendise.
>>63844318
Remember when the marveldrones/redditors thought Age of Ultron would make 3billion dollars and beat Avatar?
Jim remembers.
First Joss now JJ, Jim is ruthless.
>>63847105
>Kylo Ren no motivation
I think he does have a motivation it just doesn't make much sense. He wants to return the empire to its former glory and finish whatever Darth Vader started (killing all the jedi? just ruling the galaxy? some new unknown thing Vader was doing?). It doesn't make sense because you'd think he would know Vader also redeemed himself.
I think Kylo didn't get Vader's full story or he's just obsessed with the Empire/the darkside
>>63847105
>>Main villian (Kylo Ren) is a whiny faggot
I liked this aspect of him, it was interesting to see a dark side user who was more bark than bite.
>(no motivation)
His motivation was to gain power to remedy his insecurities.
>>63847177
That is my major gripe with this movie. The pacing and editing made the movie seem very rushed.
>>63846998
Well, the movie does go out of its way to show him as powerful, too. At least that's what I think. He has a new kind of lightsaber, knows how to stop blaster fire midair using the force, read minds using the force, and is the only force user for like half the movie.
how much do you think finn got paid when he was a janitor?
>>63847269
>read minds using the force
this was the only thing that made me think "wow this guy could be a serious threat."
Could Kylo's mind reading abilities be the reason he and Han had a falling out?
>>63847105
>what is the republic
really dude?
>>63847246
>It doesn't make sense because you'd think he would know Vader also redeemed himself.
I think they're gonna bring that up during some big confrontation (probably with luke in it) as a "did you know" kind of thing that destabilizes him for a crucial moment
>>63847246
>>63847251
I thought "being like Vader for the sake of it" was a kinda shallow motivation desu.
>>63847378
They could've expanded more on the topic.
>>63843111
This review nailed it. The movie had its good and bad points, but I enjoyed it except for Darth Emo.
>>63847436
it wasn't "for the sake of it." Kylo was insecure because he felt weak.
>>63847436
Kylo is totally trying to be starkiller, just look at his costume and his why-was-vader-not-my-daddy thing
>>63843225
I bet these girls have seen a lot of action.
>>63847478
Well yeah, I think that's the only thing having watched the prequels is important for. Aside from quality contrast of course.
>>63843842
>seriously Ren seemed like a little bitch in this movie.
Because he is. That's the point. He's insecure as fuck.
So how many years after RotJ is this supposed to be? ~40? So that would put the Clone Wars and the end of the Jedi about 60 years ago.
How come everyone seems to have no recollection of the Jedi or what went on during what was probably the most tumultuous ~25 years (AotC-RotJ) in the history of the galaxy?
I understand Jedi haven't been around within Rey and Finn's lifetime, but you'd think they'd come across things (space internet, old newspaper, etc.) or people that would tell them about them.
>>63841068
Shitty moments:
- hitler salute
- ren's so evil, he kills his dad, look at how evil he is guys
- several endings
- penultimate ending is a happy ending, despite ENTIRE CIVILIZATIONS having been destroyed
- dat lingering close up of Hamil's face, was awkward as shit
- Hamil's hair
- remember how we replaced the death star with a bigger death star? Well we thought we'd surprise you and replace that death star with a bigger death star
That's all I could think of. Decent pacing, no robots making retardedly annoying sounds, so the main pitfalls of the other six were avoided. Really, really enjoyable. Like all other star wars stuff, this is just a vehicle for selling toys to kids, so expecting something great is inane.
>>63841068
It's trying hard to be everything that made episode 4 a classic and miserably fails at it.
They better fucking make VIII a lot better.
>>63841852
100% correct
God, I can't believe how many of you little faggots are threatened by Rey. Your shorts are all in a wad because she's not in a slave bikini or done up like Ahsoka. Grow up.
>>63844222
He' strong in the Force, Snoke needed him.
But Snoke's already planning to replace him with Rey.
>>63847582
>le low expectations meme
>>63847623
Dude star wars was always sexist, they just had to rail it in gradually because of modern times
who fucking cares
you grow up
>>63847582
go fuck yourself adam.
>>63842803
>VII anywhere above fourth place
>>63847573
I mean, why the Republic fell? what is the First Order trying to achieve? why the Rebel Army isn`t the Republic Army if the rebels founded the new republic?
I unironically believe the prequels had potential. I thought the "politics" aspect of them was a good idea. It was poorly executed tho.
>>63847267
it seemed like this whole movie took place over like 2 days.
also the fact that Fasma turned off the shields so willingly seemed kind of lazy
>>63845457
>Also it is the first time in Star Wars history that they have tried to humanize a Stormtrooper.
I felt more for this guy in his 30 seconds of screentime than I did for Finn over the course of the entire movie.
>>63847781
I agree that the politics are too vague in this one.
Like that thing blondie mc blonde blurts out during his hitler speech about "the order of disorder" or something in reference to the republic... what does that mean? It's so generic bad guy worldview with no detail at all.
But I still thought the movie was awesome, this entire thread can sue me.
>>63847985
I know calling people autists is a meme
but seriously, what
>>63841068
Somewhere between a 6.5/10-8/10 is an acceptable rating for it.
Worth seeing imo but it has its flaws.
Why did the FO attack the Republic instead of the Resistance themselves? It seemed like the Republic was fine with them being the Empire part 2 as long as they didn't do shit like blow up an entire system.
>>63848003
From what I understood, The First Order is just the remnants of the Empire.
The Resistance is not the Rebellion/Republic, but they are backed by the Republic.The Resistance is, I believe, the people who are still living under the First Order or in proximity to them that are fighting back to keep them from growing and Leia and the Rebel veterans are helping because they want to see the Empire gone for good.
>>63841068
>>63847781
>>63848003
That part is for sure retarded especially when you take the " Überdeath Star " in count.
So it seems we have the New Republic on the one side nad the New Order on the other.
And while the Empire in its prime needed a lot of wealth and workforce to build two death stars secretly, that New Order guys have the ressources to build an even bigger Deathstar for like 20-30 ? years and no one at the Republic is doing anything against it or even witnesses the construction.
>>63848054
There was just such passion in his line. You could feel the anger, the sense of betrayal and the pang of loss this guy felt in the face of the traitor that got so many of his comrades killed. These were men and women that lived together and trained together since they were children. They broke bread together, traveled the stars together, fought terrorists together. And then suddenly one of their own goes rogue and winds up getting thousands upon thousands of his fellow soldiers killed.
And even then, he didn't use his gun. The stormtrooper could have easily just shot Finn with his blaster. But no, that was too easy. He wanted to fight the man that had cost him his friends one-on-one, man-to-man, and so came at him with the closest thing he had to a lightsaber. This was the face of a man with nothing left to lose.
>>63848073
you think a galaxy with merely 200 billion stars is large enough for TWO galactic governments?
what are they going to do, manage with only 100 billion stars each like broke-ass pieces of shit? fuck you.
HURR NAZIS
>>63842389
>>63848245
... okay
>>63848245
i thought so too, i guess that guy had one word in the whole movie but he fuckin nailed it
>>63843172
>>63848073
>implying they didn't just want to fire the giant planet-sized fuck cannon at SOMETHING
>>63848471
That something was the Republic capital apparently. Shoulda just fired it at Hoth or some irrelevant outer rim shithole
>>63848471
They should have spend the money on more Tie Fighters.
Always the same shit of 20 X-Wing who rip a Base apart that should be filled with thousands of Fighters.
Not mentioning that the Room where you can disable the Shiled with one click is not secured or the controls in general at the main bridge.
>>63848598
well, to be fair they didn't think anyone could land on the planet right? A FRACTIONAL REFRESH RATE ANON
darth landis and darth snooki sucked balls along with most of the movie
>>63848689
>A FRACTIONAL REFRESH RATE ANON
Yeah...that..part
>>63848725
Snoke is fucking shit. Give us Sheeev
With Kylo getting his ass kicked and being all scarred at the end, he's going to be all Vader-y and badass in the next movie.
That much is obvious. The potential is there, they're just building him up to it.
>>63847436
He fears he is less powerful than his grandfather. His mom and dad were not force users. Who else does he have to look up to? I thought Adam Drivers performance was the best in the whole film.
Showing his face during the scene were Rey cucks his mind read was great. People think it should have been later, but that scene shows you how insecure he really is. It's a character flaw, but that is character writing 101.
Finn felt forced most of the movie. A "good" guy but raised his whole life to be a stormtrooper. Maybe they'll expand on his role later, but he was like a weak version of Han Solo rather than a Jedi (Which the trailers seemed to hint)
Rey im not sure yet, she cried a lot but it would be interesting to see a female Jedi.
I just want more Kylo Ren, he was my favorite new character.
>>63848812
>Snoke
You mean Darth Gollum. Honestly of all the fucking names they could imagine. Snoke.
>>63849078
Yeah Kylo is great. He's just really powerful but he's trained poorly so he fucks up a lot. He's along the lines of what Anakin should've been.
The scene where he's punching his wound to keep him amped up on anger is pretty sick. Definitely the best part of the movie.
>>63849253
>The scene where he's punching his wound to keep him amped up on anger is pretty sick.
I think he did it to stay conscious with his bleeding wounds.
>>63849320
The pain strengthens his connection to the dark side. Why do you think Sheev kept Vader in that fuck awful suit?
>>63841852
Nah, the humor wasn't nearly as forced and stupid as a Marvel movie
>>63849409
Because without it Vader would die. Come one thats Star Wars basic.
>>63849156
>Darth Gollum
Oh godamn it now thats gonna be stuck in my head whenever I see him.
>>63841852
Wouldn't call it a let down, but was pretty accurate. Now that I think about it, Guardians of the Galaxy *was* a better Star Wars movie.
>>63849484
Sheev could've given him a much better suit that didnt affect his breathing or cause him pain all the time.
Pain is a strong emotion used by the dark side is all I am trying to say.
>>63841852
this anon gets it, except the casting for TFA isnt marvel tier.
>>63849550
Vader as the second in Command of the Empire could have easily made himself another suit.
But he looked good in that suit and for me thats the only thing that counts about that.
>>63847269
>new kind of lightsaber
Dude he just built it wrong.
It's unstable as fuck and needs exhaust vents.
>>63843636
How bad are you with context clues? Hell you didn't even need them they stated he was alive.
>>63847246
I'm hoping for a kind of situation where, as the child of war heroes, nephew of the new master jedi, and grandson of an Anakin that has been talked up by Luke, only sharing the real story of Vader with a few people, Kylo felt a lot of pressure to excel and wasn't as powerful as his peers. Simple, but suitable. I can't really see why he would decide spaze nazis are a good idea though.
>>63847582
mark hamill took time off to vacation in Philly
He went under the name Rickety Cricket.
>>63847623
Fuck you Ahsoka was cool.
Bariss did nothing wrong though.
>directed by JJ Abrams
You tell me.
>>63849973
Because everybody loves the Uniforms of Nazis no matter if Space Nazis or not.
>>63849078
>His mom and dad were not force users
Leah is a force user. Dumbass.
It really bothered me we know nothing about the empire. How strong their army is, do they have the same amount of soldier than the republic ? How many planet are they controlling ? Are they winning the war or struggling to stay alive.
There's also a lot of retarded shit like troopers's helmet filtering smoke but not gas, the sith being so weak someone completly untrained can beat him, R2D2 not showing the the map sooner ... At least I like most of the character. It was decent but it could have been a lot better, it felt like a giant teaser for ep VIII and IX.
>Darth Snoke
top kek
