That was a great movie, fuck you /tv/ for making me feel like itd be shit, i fucking hate this board.
>>63766205
It wasn't shit. It was just flawed and had a lot of retarded stuff in it.
Good, get the fuck out and never come back you plebian shitstain!
>>63766205
Stop coming here then
>>63766232
No, your the plebtaste shitbrained bitch, that movie was fucking godtier you shitstained bitch.
>>63766205
I thought it was great
>>63766226
>A lot of retarded stuff
Literally no
>>63766507
Shut up JJ and go watch more cuck porn you hack.
It's a flawed but ultimately good movie. /tv/ just loves to nitpick the shit out of everything but in the end I thoroughly enjoyed it and would like to see it again now that I know all the major plot points and can pay more attention to the finer details.
I'm glad I had low expectations. It wasn't great, but I was pleasantly surprised.
>>63766205
So what were thosefour planets that got ker'sploded? That all happened rather quickly and I didn't catch what planets were supposed to be destroyed. Was one Coruscant?
>>63766775
I don't think so. I think it was just the Republic fleet's base on the outer rim.
They really could have explained that better. It didn't look too much likecoruscant
>>63766205
Back to reddit
Poe was the best part of it.
>>63766939
He didn't even do anything
>>63766610
> having to stare at the center of the screen to get the movie
> 2012
> ishygdhjgdfh
>>63766883
Ah, I had wondered about that, like you said they could have spent an extra minute or two with that whole sequence to give it more weightI mean that's gotta be on the order of 20b billion people suddenly crying out in terror, if those planets were as populated as Earth. The shot of the beam entering the atmosphere was cool though, poor bastards.
>>mfw he takes down like a dozen TIES in a single pass overhead
Luke and Anakin have nothing on Poe.
>>63766205
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/co/
Some safe spaces where you can hive mind
>>63766939
Poe + Finn was awesome. Poe was damn near my favorite part.
>>63766979
He didn't have all that much screentime but what little he did have was great, he's charismatic as fuck. Withhan out of the pictureI'm sure he'll be a bigger part of the rest of the story.
>>63767069
Poe and Finn being bros was really well done, their opening sequence together was fun as fuck.I actually thought Poe was dead until he showed back up again, I hadn't seen any spoilers going in
>>63766979
He did stuff.
If you want "Nothing" look no further than Captain Toyseller.
>>63766205
It was awesome. Always remember: /tv/ is always wrong.
Just got back from seeing it.
I thought it was pretty good, probably a 75/100 if you wanted a rating.
Now I think JJabrams played it a little too safe and basically put so many nods from the original trilogy that he got whiplash, but those were still enjoyable.
Kylo Ren was not my favorite villain, he just looked and acted like a pussy, but that is part of his character. You can just see his insecurities, and his reason for wearing the mask to look tougher.
Finn, Po, and Rey were all great, but I had to question why everyone can use a lightsaber so flawlessly. I thought it took force training or something?
Either way, pretty good. Needs a better villain
>>63766205
> I CARE WHAT PEOPLE ON AN ANONYMOUS BOARD THINK, ENOUGH TO LET IT EFFECT ME AND MY OPINIONS
>I BLAME U DESPITE THE FACT THAT I COME ON HERE BY MY OWN VOLITION AND CHOOSE TO STAY HERE
Hi Nigger!
I enjoyed it. The only gripe I had washow fast Rey leaned to use the force.
>>63767354
>Needs a better villain
Benicio del Toro is doing a villain for ep VIII
That one shot where he takes out like 7 TIE fighters and ground troops in one go.
Based.
>>63767421
That was a little off I agree, however I fucking loved the scene where she touched the lightsaber and got mindfucked.
>>63766939
Agreed. He was the one non shitty bit.
>>63767421
how did she pick up the jedi mind trick ?
>>63767526
Reminded me of playing Rogue Squadron on the N64 as a kid, only in HD and seen from the groundas one X-wing lays fucking waste to everything in sight
>>63766226
>>63766232
These guys are correct
>>63766351
>>63766507
Angry teenage fanboy
>>63766379
>>63766731
Normal human beings who should probably leave this board before its too late
>>63767584
If she's heard stories about Luke and the Jedis and shit then it's probably part of the legends. Although I had the same thought during the scene, it definitely wasn't my favorite bit of the movie.
Seriously, if it wasn't for /tv/ I honestly probably wouldn't have seen this movie. But from everything in hearing I'm intrigued enough to go. Congratulations /tv/ you successfully shilled TFA
>>63767421
She beat a guy that can stop lazer bolts
?????
>>63767421
Felt the same with that thing, I meanKylo Ren has trained for years and is easily overpowered by 15 minutes of self taught force power and shitty blade mastery, that is just dumb. Also Han's death was stupid, totally unnecesary, just because JJ wanted an analogy to Obi Wan's sacrifice in EP IV
Just saw this for the first time and fucking hated it.
I was visibly shaking by the last 20 minutes of the film, muttering "this is reddit, this is memes, this is videogames, this is memes" under my breath.
>>63767674
Shot first solo would have punched him in the mouth after he got stabbed
My brother was going on and on about how Luke would be a sith lord -- hope he isn't too disappointed.
>>63767674could see it coming a fucking mile away
Ford's wanted Solo to die forever, and is just straight up tired of acting altogether.
>>63766205
It's the movie of the century. Now take your friends and go back to reddit.
>>63767674
To be fairhe was suffering from a shot to the abdomen and a cut from Finn.
Still, the fight seemedeasier for Rey than it should have.
>>63767481
Is this real? I hope this is real
>>63767687
It wasn't that bad, you fucking "meme" crying baby.
I was hoping the movie wasn't going to carry itself through nostalgia. It kinda did but it also built itself a nice story that doesn't have to hold onto the skywalkers.
Fin was better than I expect, but he still did too many goofy things.
>>63767674
Ren took a boltcaster to the side. Even Finn was able to get a few shots in, and he got his ass kicked by a stormtrooper with a shock tonfa or whatever the fuck.
>>63767867
He felt so out of place in guardians of the galaxy. I don't he belongs in those kind of movies.
>>63766205
Bad story, good execution. Like Avatar.
>>63766547
>Gets asked to point out retarded shit
le fuck off JJ, le cuck meme!
I think Reddit is more your speed kid
>>63767969
Oh, damn that's disappointing then
Only seen Pan's Labyrinth so thought he'd be good
Better than the prequels and worse than the originals, like literally everybody who isn't retarded could have told you when it was announced.
>>63767674
Han wasn't sacrificing himself though. He was trying to get his son back.
>>63767421
My main problem wasHow quickly they glossed over the new Death Star plot and how quickly it got destroyed, like it was just a run-of-the-mill thing that they did every other week, nevermind that it destroyed 5 planets in one go just now.
My favourite parts were the cinematography (there are some really nice shots especially at the beginning) and the part where Kylo turns fully bad just as the sun disappears.
I saw it a few hours ago. /tv/ had me pretty nervous, I'm not going to lie. There's a few things they could improve upon but overall the movie seems pretty fine. Poe, despite not being around that much, was my favorite part of the movie. Wedge was my favorite character in the original trilogy despite having a really minor role until the last movie. Seeing a similar guy be one of the main characters was great. Rey was the low point of the movie, honestly. She was necessary in the same way Luke was necessary in the original trilogy. She also plays into Disney's girl power thing they seem to do a lot lately but what can you do when it's 2015 and there's all this retarded gender politics stuff going on. She's force sensitive and that sort of explains why she's pro at almost everything she does. I guess. Kylo Ren would have won that duel if he hadn't been fucked up hardcore by that blaster shot.
Speaking of Kylo Ren, I actually really enjoy him. The whole time he was dueling Rey I was thinking "this is a kid in black robes". Not in a bad way. He's desperately trying to live up to Vader and he's trying to fight the light side the same way Luke and Anakin had to fight the dark side. Those temper tantrums aren't lolsorandumbJJXD. They're a kid lashing out (inb4 some stupid novel makes him 30) at bad news.
I have high hopes for VIII. I feel like it's the episode where we'll see a lot of Finn, Poe, and that chrome captain while Rey and Kylo train. It'll be REALLY interesting if we get to see both of them get trained. Speaking of Finn, he was actually pretty great.
Overall, my expectations are pretty high for VIII. I'm expecting one of the main cast + Luke or Snook to die. Needs more chrome captain (like in a main character capacity) and it'll be great.
>>63768202
>like it was just a run-of-the-mill thing that they did every other week
m8 have you watched any of the other movies?
>>63768119
your thinking of teh wrong one
>>63768143
Yeah, but it's kinda the same idea behind it, the death of someone important. It felt so rushed to me though, really it would have had much more sense in episode 8 or 9 when they would have developed Kylos backstory.
It makes me seriously think Ford did not want to act as Solo anymore, and he just said kill me in this movie as I won't do it anymore
>>63768202
>That shot of the TIE fighters directly in front of the sun
Goddamn that was Apocalypse Now shit
>>63768245
One of the characters could have at least said "Oh they're doing THAT again?"
>>63766205
back to reddit faggot
>>63766883
how did the First Order find the rebels base this time?
>>63768202
>nevermind that it destroyed 5 planets in one go just now
I wish that had been played up more too, what system was it even again?
>>63766226
Pacing was fast. Sometimes too fast for its own good. The only part I didn't like was Finn telling about his backstory, but they could have shown it instead.
Also Rebels having dame tactic for Starkiller Base. Other than that, it is not overtly retarded. No much more unrealistic than New Hope
>>63767687
Dude you need to see a psychologist if that was your reaction.
Do the empire/sith/first order people have infinite fucking resources? This guys just fuck it up and it doesn't matter, how many more fucking death stars are they gonna make before they realize how to protect it from small 1 manned starfighters.
It was so fucking easy, like yeah let's send this 3 guys who have no fucking idea to save the Galaxy. They even JOKED about it, even the fucking people in production knew how dumb it was. But it worked, because it's star wars and Death Stars suck balls.
>>63766731
Same here, I'm glad /tv/ made me go in expecting shit, I actually had a good time.
>>63768381
they did show a screen of him as a infant
>>63766226
>a lot of retarded stuff
There was the tentacle monster action scene that had no relevance to the plot
and
and what?
>>63768423
At least the base did tremendous damage and showed the galaxy the Empire is back. And yes the Empire basically has nearly limitless resources.
>>63766205
>this retarded
>this open about retardation
>>63767674
Kylo was physically wounded and emotionally unstable, insecure and vulnerable at that point
plus it's not like he had done a real lightsaber fight before
>>63767021
>>63768347
Guess I was wrong
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_Prime
They did a REALLY bad job of explaining this properly
>>63766205
Hi, reddit
>>63767687
Nice meme.
>>63768692
Well shit, they really dropped the ball there.
If we'd had one prior scene there, like just a holo-call with the resistance or whatever, it would have been fine.
>>63766379
>>63766731
Geto ut before it's too late.
>>63768459
I'm not him but I thought the "Father-Son on a Catwalk" scene was pretty fucking retarded
It was enjoyable, but lacked soul
#BringBackLucas
>>63767354
>You can just see his insecurities, and his reason for wearing the mask to look tougher.
Is that the reason or is it hero worship? He idolizes Vader and takes after him in a similar style. I wish they actually explained shit in this movie instead of assuming that everyone will just "get" it.
>>63769675
He called Vader Grandfather, you dummy. And then Rey calls him out for being afraid of not being as strong as Vader
It was pretty damn obvious what the deal was
>>63767354
Luke had to spend 2 years on a swamp with one of the greatest masters the Jedi order has ever seen.
Rey picks up a lightsaber and is able to duel?
Horse shit.
>>63767674
Rey learned the power of the Force when she was a child, and when Ben Solo mind fucked her with the Force all those mind control walls put their to protect her identity as Lukes daughter were taken down and everything began to feel natural to her again
>>63766775
Hell, we don't even know where the First Order is even located or where they're attacking from.
But then again, they never bothered explaining where Onderon was in relation to Tattooine or Yavin either.
>>63767674
Pretty sure he died because he was supposed to be dead since ep 5 also notice at the pain in Ford's eyes whenever he is acting
>>63768423
>It was so fucking easy, like yeah let's send this 3 guys who have no fucking idea to save the Galaxy. They even JOKED about it, even the fucking people in production knew how dumb it was. But it worked, because it's star wars and Death Stars suck balls.
It would have made more senseIf Fin had known what the fuck he was actually doing, and had some working knowledge of the base, and not just making shit up. He should be a Jedi, considering the amount of bullshit he pulled straight out of his ass.
How the fuck did kylo get vaders skull when he was burned in rotj?
>>63769799
She's Luke's daughter, dipshit. She has genetic/midichlorian-based memories.
>>63769747
>He called Vader Grandfather, you dummy. And then Rey calls him out for being afraid of not being as strong as Vader
And he says he "killed" the person he was before when he became Kylo Ren, pretty much mirroring Vader's "killing" of Anakin.
Seems like the guy couldn't take the whole light side/dark side balance, and just went off the deep end with the Dark side, where he could kill/dispose of everything that got in his way and could possibly make him feel guilty.Killing Han means he no longer has to worry about dealing with dad because dad is dead.
Why was the lightsaber blue? Luke's lightsaber is green. I thought the original lightsaber was lost after it fell from Cloud City.
>>63769799
2 Years, Fuck yourself..2 fucking days
>>63770026
How is she lukes daughter? She had reala parents at one point.
>>63769969
>How the fuck did kylo get vaders skull when he was burned in rotj?
It was burned when he had it too.
Fire doesn't always make everything disintegrate into a pile of ashes.
>>63766205
I agree, it was fantastic.
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>>63770081
>Why was the lightsaber blue? Luke's lightsaber is green. I thought the original lightsaber was lost after it fell from Cloud City.
Probably got caught somewhere in Cloud City and over 30 years of routine maintenance, somebody finally found "that thing that was rattling around and causing a malfunction in the micro-climate gate of sextor 34-B."
What was the point of Captain Phasma's character? She did nothing. All this promotion on posters and toys and she has all of 2 minutes of screen time.
>>63766775
I thought the city one was Coruscant, but later they named the system. I can't remember it.
>>63769943
Exactly, even though they used it as a joke, which was actually not bad, it would have been far better if Finn actually knew what the fuck he was doing. JJ don't fucking mess strong plot points just so you can get some laughs at a decent joke, seriously that was like EP1 all over again.
>>63770081
>original lightsaber
>that's right yeah, hey maz how did you get luke's original lightsab
>THAT'S A STORY FOR ANOTHA TIME, SONNY BOY
>>63770187
>Being called the next Boba Fett
>both have cool armor and little screentime
poetry from a certain point of view
>>63770187
Ebin chrometrooper
She was just a high ranking stormtrooper, like a NCO
>>63770026
>juhnetic memuhrees
Then why did Luke require training if he's Anakin's son?
>>63767867
Hes supposedly playing a "Master military strategist thats always one step ahead of his enemies and is manipulating all sides to his own ends."
Prepare for Supreme Admiral Nwarht.
>>63770187
definitely feels like she had a bigger, if marginally bigger, and more threatening role but they had to tone her presence down in editing. Hopefully in the next films she'll be back with a vengence to fuck her old subordinate finn's shit up
>>63770284
Another dumb moment, so this old lady magically wandered off Bespin and got the lightsaber?
That shit was lost on a gas giant, seriously how could someone so linked to the resistance get it in such a pristine state.
>>63770336
>Supreme Admiral Nwarht
I wouldn't not believe this at this point
>>63770371
That cgi lady was retarded. Snoke also looked Hobbit-prequel tier. Literally what the fuck was thay shit?
>>63770336
lel
How the fuck did Finn know all the technical specifications of the planet. Why would a nameless mook know all that?
>>63769799
>Rey picks up a lightsaber and is able to duel?
We saw her wreck those two guys who tried to steal bb-8 she obviously learned how to fight defending herself from thieves.
>>63770187
At the start of the movie she orders finn around
At the end he orders her around
her only purpose was literally poetry. she was just given a toyetic design because money making and as a result she was featured more prominently than she should have been in promotional material
If she returns in the next movie she might have a more personal vendetta against finn for being a traitor
>>63770371
It's called hanging a lampshade on it. They acknowledged its crazy and moved on.
>>63770419
Unnecessary. Both characters could have been done with makeup/puppets and the film would be better for it.
THINGS GEORGE LUCAS DOES BETTER THAN JJ ABRAMS:
>choreographing dogfighting
Lucas puts you in the action and makes you feel like you're flying.
>having the first part of the trilogy self-contained
Both Episodes I and IV are movies unto themselves. They don't end on cliffhangers.
>not referencing things too much
None of the Prequels have nostalgia for the sake of it, whereas Episode VII is nostalgia overload.
>>63767021
I want to make love to this cat so tenderly and sweet.
>>63770458
If he works in sanitation he would know the pipe structure which is basically the map of the place
>>63766205
its a cheap rehash of Episode 4
>>63769675
I liked it a good deal, but the last thing this film needed was pointing more shit out to the audience. I felt like everything could have been a little more subtle.
>>63766205
You should be thanking this board. I went in thinking it would be good and thought it was shit.
At the end of her fight with Kylo Rey looked more angry than focused.
>>63770560
>being this blind
>>63768459
The Death Star 3.0
The dragged out ending
Han is a taxi driver
I could go on but those stood out to me the most.
>>63766379
>>63766205
it was an agitating piece of shit.
my head hurts from seeing 3 hours of JJ Abrams fail at simple film production.
he cant even work a camera like the star wars films.
>>63770085
in empire luke trained with yoda for months
>>63770688
>Han is a taxi driver
what?
>>63766351
>god tier
you are retarded, see more movies
it was ok, it was safe. i'd argue that it was forgettable, but i wouldnt say that was due to it being bad. it was just ok.
>>63770560
>disagree
>IV ended as it did because it was not certain that a sequel would be made
>It can hardly reference much since it's happening in the past. But the poetry is there.
>>63770560
>None of the Prequels have nostalgia for the sake of it
Why were C3PO and R2D2 in the movie?
>>63766939
shit, the most charismatic character had 5 minutes of screen
If you are white and support this piece of shit cultural marxist propaganda "film" you are a brainless brainwashed faggot ass sellout c.uckold pile of garbage.
Fuck you.
I liked it, but problems I have with it:
>luke's blue lightsabre - didn't that fall into the abyss on bespin?
>rey (and finn to a lesser extent) can seemingly pick up a lightsabre with ease and defeat a semi sith
>rey can use the force without any knowledge of it, what it does and how to use it
>fairly forgettable soundtrack - no parts when i think back on it can i pinpoint the soundtrack except for the last scene
I think I'm forgetting a couple bits but that's what stood out for me. And it's pretty much IV's story again.
>>63770419
>That cgi lady was retarded. Snoke also looked Hobbit-prequel tier. Literally what the fuck was thay shit?
Snoke is the one thing I refuse to even try to defend about this movie.
I was expecting some kind of cosmic horror type entity, but instead we get something that looks like fucking Gollum in a snuggy. And all he does is sit around in a chair in a robe and issue orders/make cryptic remarks like Palpatine 2.0.
And was there any real reason why he needed to be CGI? He was just a skinny guy with a badly scarred left cheek.
>>63770732
This, desu. God tier is going way too far. God tier is like Goodfellas or something like that. Something that will set a trend, be revolutionary, have amazing performances. Nothing like that in this.
>>63770560
>Choreographing dogfighting
From a visual standpoint, the dogfighting was almost an improvement. There were some cool cockpit shots where the camera panned around and if there wasn't as much shit flying all over the screen and I was more emotionally invested, it would have been better.
>Self contained story
I absolutely agree with you. We all know that there are going to be sequels but the movie still needs to be self contained.
>Not referencing things too much
George is just as guilty of this as JJ actually. There were a lot of borrowed visuals and plot points in RotJ and the prequels.
So.
Where's Lando?
>>63766379
Hype blinds you, turd.
This movie is utterly mediocre. I seriously don't know what the fuss is all about. Why is everyone treating this like some big deal? All the characters are weak, and the story is bad. The music and attention to details are nice but that's purely thanks to the budget.
>>63770705
All he does is fly the main characters from planet to planet until he dies.
>>63766205
I enjoyed it, not so much the humor but hell it was a disney movie
it had more blood than I've seen in a star wars movie
Poe and Fin turned out really good characters imo
>>63770876
>I was expecting some kind of cosmic horror type entity, but instead we get something that looks like fucking Gollum in a snuggy
i described him as voldermort and the wheel chair cripple from hannibal.
>>63770893
There were a lot of borrowed visuals and plot points in RotJ and the prequels.
but they didnt feel THIS forced or used for a cheap yuck.
>>63770838
>rey can use the force without any knowledge of it, what it does and how to use it
they establish she's heard of legends of the jedi, it's not unreasonable to think she's heard of jedi mind tricks before
but it's definitely one of the weaker aspects of the movie
>>63770877
exactly, like a new hope was. people had never seen shit like that before.
there was nothing in TFA that we hadnt seen before. nothing new or mind blowing. it took no risks.
>>63770893
The dogfights were great. They actually pulled some realistic moves, like spinning on a dime rather than banking (which is impossible in space).
>>63770915
A mediocre movie is the worst outcome for this movie though. If it was Empire Strikes Back quality it would be amazing. If it was The Room quality it would be hilarious. If it's mediocre, it's basically The Phantom Menace.
>>63770838
>>rey (and finn to a lesser extent) can seemingly pick up a lightsabre with ease and defeat a semi sith
Kylo was still injured after Chewie shot him. He was repeatedly pausing in battle to tend to his wound.
>>rey can use the force without any knowledge of it, what it does and how to use it
Yeah, that was some straight up bullshit. Resisitng mindrape/torture through sheer mental will is one thing.Pulling off a Jedi Mind Trick, Force Pull/Push when you weren't even sure Jedi even existed is a whole other thing.
>>63770968
>but they didnt feel THIS forced or used for a cheap yuck.
Yeah, that's definitely true. But once you notice them in RotJ and the prequels, it's really annoying.
If you liked A New Hope, you'll probably like TFA.
>>63766205
So you enjoy watching shit remakes?
>>63771084
Well, it's pretty much a modern day remake.
>>63771084
TFA is just a cheap copy, none of the scenes had nearly as much weight as A New Hope did.
>>63771072
Yeah when you NOTICE them.
>>63771084
If you like ANH you'll HATE TFA
>>63771121
Pretty much this.
JJ was really trying so hard to give everyone a wet dick to the original trilogy. Everything to the plot point literally had the same pacing as a New Hope. Which is sad because it was slightly unoriginal. Other than that it's a great fun film to watch.
>>63766205
Honestly, I think /tv/ should be renamed as /c/ynical.
>>63770898
no one? pity.
>>63767311
That pic makes me cringe...
>>63767737
I agree. You know they froze his character in carbonite because he wasn't sure he wanted to come back to film the third? They used it so they could get rid of him with the possibility of bringing him back.
>>63771238
Asked my mate this at work. Was waiting for a cameo or him to appear when they were planning.
>>63771225
I think you should learn to cope with differing opinions.
>>63771170
no binary sun
No fun.
>>63771201
>Everything to the plot point literally had the same pacing as a New Hope.
Yet somehow worse pacing.
oh i know why, IT NEVER SHUTS THE FUCK UP!!!
silence is golden in film, director, make space for calm moments.
>>63771294
I can cope, but everything seems really one sided around here.
I don't expect everyone to agree with my own views, but wow, some people just seem to really hate things just for the sake of it.
>>63771284
you'd think there'd at least be a reference to his fate. or maybe they are pulling an ESB and we'll know nothing until VIII
>>63771334
Buddy...I defend Man of Steel on this board.
And even i thought this movie was dogshit.
what does THAT tell you?
>>63771323
>Yet somehow worse pacing.
Lol
The pacing was the same For ANH honestly.
Entertaining, but frustrating to watch for long time fans. It feels a little too obvious that they needed to get rid of the older actors ASAP so that future films wouldn't need to worry about them.
As a result, the pacing just feels off. We don't get a good sense of Rey's background or the world she grew up in. Finn is a Marty-stu with almost no characterization/development. Kylo Ren, ironically, is the most interesting protagonist because he actually struggles with feelings, but even then all that does is set up another cliffhanger.
>>63770898
>>63771238
Slowly dying of SPACE AIDS
>>63771371
True that.
Very good point.
>>63771334
Seriously cry about it and get it out of your system, anon, or post elsewhere. Either of the two. Defend the movie all you want but stamping your feat and complaining about posters contributes nothing.
Friendly reminder that Kylo Ren is on some sort of inverse heroes journey. He went up against almost insurmountable odds at the end of the movie and almost prevailed. We will see him grow as a character in the next movie.
>>63771402
Crying?
Just making an observation.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
Or something like that...
>>63770838
>>rey (and finn to a lesser extent) can seemingly pick up a lightsabre with ease and defeat a semi sith
Finn is a trained for child hood fighter, who still gets beaten straight up dueling a storm trooper.
He almost holds his own against a badly wounded Kylo, but is eventually taken down and would have been killed if not for Rey.
Rey is a skilled fighter, innately very powerful with the Force, and came out on top because the already wounded Kylo was hurt further by Finn, and Kylo is legitimately intimated by her.
>>63770026
>genetic memories
I thought that was just a Jew thing
>>63766205
came for torrents left with tears
>>63771387
>Entertaining, but frustrating to watch for long time fans. It feels a little too obvious that they needed to get rid of the older actors ASAP so that future films wouldn't need to worry about them.
Honestly, I was surprised they DIDN'T do that.
By the end of the film, Han is the only old character killed off. Everybody else is alive, and it seems that R2 and Chewie are Rey's new sidekicks as she goes on to train under Luke in episode VIII. Fin, who looked like he was taking up the mantle of male lead is now dead/comatose/in recovery. I honestly did NOT see that coming.
>>63771373
Not really, between the sound design, visual, scene direction, over all length, silent moments, and how the action was done, A New Hope was fast paced, but it wasnt irritating. it took time to slow the fuck down, establish shots and characters, let shit sink in.
and best of all, enjoy the atmosphere.
this movie when it wasnt doing a FUCK ton of close up shots and shitty camera work and cramming in stupid ass jokes and references.....had nothing.
no pause, no relief, no time to soak in the atmosphere, not wide open establishing shots, ect.
honestly this movie was paced like shit framed like shit, shot like shit, and somehow felt CRAMPED as shit.
watch the originals, george lucas almost NEVER had close ups. Nothing beyond nipple and top of the head cut off points.
and definitely not this shitty hard zooming or that bullshit violation of rules of thirds when doing a close up.
>>63767021
I'd think I'm a galaxy full of planets that killing a planet is like Nuking a country
>>63770335
So he could be even BETTER. Luke was already a badass pilot. He used his lightsaber in self defense prior to his training with Yoda.
They just advanced/refined his preexisting abilities.
Why does no one address the fact that Luke's blue lightsabre shouldn't even exist? Who the fuck got it?
>>63771497
it was definitely missing luke's binary scene or the sense of magic we got from obi wans first scene or yoda's descriptions of the force
I'm fine with people liking this movie but faggots are already telling me it's the GREATEST STAR WARS EVER! I fucking hate hype because I'm sure this is why they are saying it.
>>63771033
all of this could have been avoided if they just made kylo blind
it would a) give him an excuse to wear the mask, and b) make the fact that rey rekt him more believable. the wound is just passable as a explanation for why kylo lost.
Am I the only one who was incredibly bothered by Han popping out of lightspeed just before hitting the surface of that planet/superweapon? The precision that would be necessary to do something like that is far beyond the scope of what even a Jedi could do, much less a 70 year old man in a broken down ship.
It was good, felt closer to Star Wars than anything else I'd seen in a long time. Lots of fun, and practical creatures/sets out the ass.
>>63768008
>Like Avatar
ooh. that bait.
>>63771600
Didn't it get sucked out of the same vent as Luke on Cloud City?
>>63771641
hay man he made the kessel run in less that 12 parsecs
>>63771641
If that annoys you then you're annoyed by the wrong things in a movie like Star Wars, shit isn't science fiction.
>>63771494
It's those darned feminists taking down the patriarchy!But seriously, R2 and Chewie are basically the only two characters that Star Wars can keep using out of the older cast. Neither one will literally die before the next film and they're hugely popular.
>best scene didn't even make the final cut
>>63771600
Could it be a duplicate?
I mean, Lukes green bladed saber was based on Obi-Wans hilt design, but with a green crystal.
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I have no idea.
>>63770335
To master the force, not to combat with the lightsaber.
Also, Luke already had god-like reflexes and amazing physique
>>63771641
He's Han fucking Solo, mate.
>>63771724
That scene was in the cut I saw in the theatre, dunno what you're talking about.
>>63771715
If they killed Chewie I'd be salty, it's be like the EU shit all over again.
>>63771641
Well, I don't think Star Wars is known for its basis in reality.
Fantasy...in space!
>>63771715
Chewie is just going to ignored from now on. It's a real shame. It really should have Chewie dying right as the planet exploded, similar to Vector Prime.
>>63771494
This. They even brought back Nien Nunb for fucks sake (not complaining, he is my nigga)
>>63771724
Obviously saved for the Director's Cut Extended Edition coming out on Blu-Ray© for just $99.99.
>>63771724
It was there when they attacked pirate planet. Everybody was just expecting the shot to come on Jakku.
>>63771806
And then of course, after the other two films are released, there will be some sort of mega collection of all nine films.
It never ends.
Bland environments with no imagination, Rey is a Mary Sue, it's 80% nostalgia-baiting, it's full of dumb plot points that make no sense, it's a worse version of A New Hope.
If you like this movie, that's fine. It's enjoyable. But it's still a 7/10 at most. All the people giving it 9s or 10s are the reason why Michael Bay is still making movies.
>>63771497
>watch the originals, george lucas almost NEVER had close ups. Nothing beyond nipple and top of the head cut off points.
fucking this
i couldn't put my finger on it, but holy shit this sucked so much of the adventure out of the film.
what happened with R2?did luke lift a "force block" in R2 after he felt Han's death?
Disney won't stop with nine either, there will be three more a few years later.
It's a given.
>>63771837
As only as I can get the original cut of the classic trilogy on BD I don't really care how much it is, not like I'm a poorfag without a job like most of this board. And I could give two shits about the principle of it at this point really considering how many formats Star Wars has been released on.
>>63771894
No explanation. Probably just a convenient timing because the writing is shit.
>>63771686
>>63771743
>Shortly after this, Luke carried the weapon with him to the Cloud City on Bespin in a bid to rescue his friends from Darth Vader. Engaging the Sith Lord in a lightsaber duel, Luke demonstrated his vastly increased skill with the weapon, impressing its former wielder. Ultimately, however, Luke's lightsaber hand was sliced off by Vader and fell, along with the lightsaber it carried, into the depths of Cloud City
>The lightsaber, still clutched by Luke Skywalker's hand, had become lodged in one of Cloud City's lower air shafts and eventually was recovered by a maintenance drone. The drone deposited the hand and the lightsaber in Smelting Core D. There, it was discovered by Groggin, the Smelting Core's supervisor.
Obviously the 2nd part is a part of the lore, and considering this movie brought back Chewie even though Chewie is supposed to be dead (I'm pretty sure) I doubt they'll use this explanation, and probably ignore it all together.
>>63771894Some people are saying that Rey's "awakening" as Luke's daughter is the trigger. But no one has an actual fucking clue.
>>63771894
R2 was just waiting for the right person to show up, I guess. Someone worthy of the legacy or some stupid shit like that. That, or R2 has some kinda Mary Sue radar
Han dies...well that pretty much ruins half of it for me right there.
I'm sure JJ thought it was a ballsy thing to do, but I find it to be really stupid, after waiting all this time for the original cast to return.
Ah well, we shall see how Harrison fares in Blade Runner 2.
>>63771715
R2, Chewy and 3PO aren't going anywhere, ever.
>>63771874
George is actually a damn good cinematographer, he uses similar techniques as spaghetti westerns without the close ups because he's all about the enviornment.
because Star wars is a galaxy size ADVENTURE FILM.
another example: Conan the barbarian.Few close ups, lot of wide and enviornment shots.
took its time, didnt get bloated, let atmosphere, time and music show emotion.
>>63771641
No you're not. I mean, Han's a great pilot but that shit is really pushing it.
>>63771909
You mean the originals, as in, not the special editions?
Yeah, that would be great.
>>63771417
Would be cool if kylo was a double agent.
>>63771950
which that awakening is fucking bullshit.
>>63771925
This is what I assumed happened too. Cloud City's depths don't just open up to the air. Shit can get trapped in there, and they do maintenance and stuff. After 30 years, someone must have found that lightsaber rattling around, along with a couple corpses, some missing tools, lots of missing left socks, and discarded porno mags.
>>63771724
Was in the movie moron, when first order showed up at Maz's place.
>>63771996
>as in, not the special editions
Yup, as the only ones available are the last edits from Lucas with shit like NOOOOOOOOO in Return of the Jedi. It's like someone is interrupting you inside the movie while you're watching it. Disney said they'd do a release but they probably have a lot of archive digging to do considering Lucas literally tried to destroy all the old copies because he's embarrassed by them or something similar.
>>63771724
Nah it was there, just completely out of nowhere and it made no sense. It was shown during a broad daylight attack when that shot was clearly during the morning or evening.
>>63766226
> expecting a space opera to be realistic
>>63771925
I'm surprised that little bit of info couldn't have been shown in some sort of flashback or something instead of leaving it ambiguous to everyone else.
>>63771961
Han has been wanting his character gone since the end of a New Hope. The entire reason he got frozen in Empire Strikes Back is because he was on the fence about ever coming back to the series. Him dying in this movie was likely one of his conditions to even accept appearing in it.
>>63769920
He's finally free of Han "star wars" Solo. I guarantee u wen ppl ask him about Star Wars/Solo he will just say his character is dead and who gives a shit now that he's char is dead
What planet was Luke on? Was it Rakata Prime?
>>63772053
The only thing that made sense to me in the special edition of ANH, was making Jabba look like how he does later on, because initially it made no sense that he was just some fat guy, and then a big sluglike alien later on.
Han shot first though, yes he damn well did.
>>63772079
>>63772023
Yeah, it's fucking stupid. I don't know why this shit isn't explained. Just watch the movies through and then look at what you have storyboarded and explain/alter where holes are, surely it couldn't be that hard.
>>63771715
Chewie is the new Jar Jar now that Han is dead.
>>63766205
This picture confirms Snoke is Vader
Snokes model fits perfectly into it, literally perfectly
>>63772150
Undeniably the best change they ever did to the originals was changing Yub Nub to Victory Celebration. Yub Nub sucked.
>>63772150
I thought the Jabba scene was alright, but simply unnecessary, along with sticking Boba Fett in it as well. I just want the movies back to how they were before people stopped telling Lucas he was wrong about some things.
Nothing felt like it had any explanation or setup.
Who were the Republic? Why was I supposed to carethat they got blown up?
Why was the First Order different from the Empire? Why did they need to change the name if they were basically the same organization?
More importantly, why was the movie an almost shot-for-shot remake of Episode IV?
Basically everything that happened in IV happened in VII but with a new coat of paintCute, nonverbal droid has valuable information to deliver to the Rebelli- I mean Resistance from the evil Empi- I mean First Order.
Person from small shitty desert community gets swept up to fight against the First Order in the Millennium Falcon.
Meanwhile, they're being hunted by Darth Va- I mean Kylo Ren, a black masked Sith lord with a temper.
The Emp- First Order has a massive spherical superweapon that can wipe out planets called the Death St- Starkiller Base and the Resistance needs to stop them.
They formulate a plan to destroy it and one group infiltrates.
There, the old wise man gets killed by Not-Darth Vader and they have to shoot their way out after sabotaging the weapon.
A pilot goes in to destroy the weapon and succeeds, blowing it up entirely and leaving victoriously.
And to top it off, the lightsaber battles were shitty, the cinematography was jarring, there was very little of the classic camp, everything had too much impact to it, sound wise, and it overall just didn't feel like a Star Wars movie.
I don't usually post on /tv/ but I had to come here to complain about this.
I'm glad I wasn't counting on it being good, I went in with no expectations and I was still let down.
>>63772083
True.
I do remember that Han was supposed to die earlier, but it sucks now because he became more of an established character, and now they kill him off all these years later.
Whatever, the show must go on I suppose.
I am happy he at least came back one more time for the role.
>>63766205
Only R2D2 hit me right in the nostalgia. Leia looked like shit, Chewbacca became another comic relief in a movie that in just 2 hours had more comedy than the preview movies together. Han Solo was ok
>>63766979
he was white, and he was a man
there you go
>>63772083
I have no problem with Han dying. I knew it was going to happen to either him or Luke since they needed to kill of one of the old cast. But the way they did it was really annoying. The way he confronted Kylo Ren was the most obvious set up to his death. From the minute you saw that they were in the same room you knew it was coming.
If they put Han's confrontation and death when Rey was being kidnapped, it would have been much better. It wouldn't have been nearly as obvious and it would have raised the emotional stakes during Finn's rescue and battle with Kylo on the Hoth Star.
>>63772232
It'd be even stranger to have EVERYONE ELSE show up and not have Han at all.
>>63772218
Yeah, it went to Georges head.
That scene in Jabbas palace in ROTJ, you know the one...the little musical scene...omg.
>>63772203
Sadly even that was ruined once they replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen's wardrobe test.
>>63771978
thank you for putting this into words for me. i couldnt figure out why it didnt feel like star wars. everything was also very dark with a lot of fast cuts, and its a problem from the very beginning.
why keep the shitty transitions if youre just going to completely change the style of cinematography?
it felt like fucking call of duty
>>63772312
I just didn't understand that, why? Did Lucas want to make musicals instead? It's not like he didn't have the money just to make a musical, the man is an enigma of idiocy, like bacon wrapped autism.
>>63772150
Was fat guy Jabba even in the original cut? I thought that was a deleted scene. And it was fine that way.
Was it just me or was the movie a copy paste of ep 4.
>Desert Planet person with high hopes and dreams
>Targeted by empire for droid
>Escapes with help of han solo
>Empire deathstar
>Need to destroy deathstar by blowing up thing
>Old man leader dies
>Battle with Vader/Kaylo
>destruction of death star
>Happy end
>>63772294
Yes, that's also a good point.
I actually was a tiny bit worried that Harrison might back out, but was proven wrong, thankfully.
>>63772364
basically what I said here
>>63772224
It felt like some bizarre combination of Episode IV's story with the visuals of Guardians of the Galaxy but not any of the humor or charm
>>63767584
It's pretty heavily implied she knows a thing or two about the 'myth' of the jedi.
Once she senses the force with Kylo, she probably took a shot at it to see if it actually worked from what she had read/heard about Luke/Jedis.
The lightsaber fight I just put down to her skill with the staff.
If she is Lukes daughter, it can just be put down that she has fucking strong jedi genes in her.
>>63772334
Christ, I know. WHY DOES HE LOOK YOUNG WHEN YODA AND OBI-WAN LOOK HOW THEY DID AT DEATH?
>>63772364
I think it was on purpose... I bet next film flips the universe on its head
>>63766507
>shield now always had the weakness if you fly light speed you go through it
>only damaged, unrepaired millennium falcon with old pilot can do it even though xwing pilots seem pretty ace.
>only send 19 fighters, non bombers to do a bombing required exercise.
or how about
>star absorption without collapsing its core making it a nova or black hole or everyone outside the planet not flash freezing due to a lack of sun.
>not burying your base's weakness into half the planet so it cannot be attacked by fighters or making it highly visible with line pointing to it
>not having shield power tampering detection and making it as easy as pulling a lever to depower it in a mostly guard less room and no overide
>rey's first time seeing a forested planet in her life, but after her vision runs away into a thick of it like nothing
>r2d2 got a heartbeat sensor in han solo and awakens after he kek cause it werks.
>not attempting evacuation of your resistance base, when you have enough time to send a fleet with 15mins to spare
>millennium falcon showing no inertia dampers on jakku with bb8 flipping around losing its shit. seems to do a 90 degree turn pretty well on starkiller with minor shakes.
sure anon sure not retarded at all
>>63772359
<--------- This.
As far as story goes, it's fine, but when you see him later as a big slug alien, then it's like, huh?
I thought it was okay that they changed it because I think there would have been a major continuity error.
Other than that, I have no qualms with the original trilogy.
>>63772442
Oh like Empire Strikes Back?
>>63772150
they could have just kept human jabba and then said that "jabba" was just the term for mob boss or whatever
>>63772224
>the lightsaber battles were shitty
fucking GOOD
FUCK LIGHTSABER BATTLES
>>63772357
Only George himself knows the answer...and he won't tell.
That scene makes me cringe every time I see it.
Gives me a sick feeling, like the holiday special.
>>63772224
>the lightsaber battles were shitty
The hell are you talking about? They completely did away with the super flashy garbage from the prequels and went back to the OT style of lighsaber duels. The OT fights were definitely better but episode 7 had the most realistic fight out of any of them.
>>63772425
I thought the same thing too.
It didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Obi Wan and Yoda are old...but not Anakin?
George didn't know when to quit.
>>63772224
Basically my thoughts on it.
>everything had too much impact to it
Fucking this, every little thing had a ton of bass added to it, blasters felt like fucking weapons from God instead of what they were in the original, it felt like a generator was turned on somewhere every time a lightsaber fired up, and every hit felt like a car crash.
It felt like it was trying way too hard to be a generic summer blockbuster capeshit movie or something, it felt absolutely nothing like Star Wars.
>>63772486
Shit like the Star Wars Holiday Special really makes you wonder, especially the fact Lucas realized how shit it was actually. What happened during the Indiana Jones years that made him stop being able to shit from not shit? He'll never let us know, along with the fact Disney probably only wants him talking about Star Wars when it's beneficial to them.
>>63772521
Forgetting Rens anime spin?
They sure got me bynot verbally confirming if Rey is Luke's child or notlike fuck man now I'm actually looking forward to the next one
