CLASSIC
Taking jj trek for the shit pile it is the exterior design of the enterprise really isn't bad.
why is the round thing all burnt?
>>63691695
Deflector Array and it's just the picture
>>63691646
more classic than the Freedom Class USS Pizza Cutter?
Sadly limited to another substandard movie.
I'm glad defiant didn't end up like this turkey
>>63691746
Kitbash a shit
>>63692013
Oh no, it was official and featured in an actual television series
>>63692070
Kinda what I mean. All those wolf 359 ships were unused models or pieces of models cobbled together.
>>63692070
I think a model of this thing from the aborted series before tng was in there somewhere too.
What a fucking beautiful ship.
>>63692393
The stardrive section seems way wider in the movies than it ever did on the shows. Top tier ship though. Talk about longevity.
>>63692393
Excelsior Class is nice, the poor Ambassador Class never got enough love even from Starfleet
Is Galaxy to Sovereign the same aesthetic progression as Constitution was to Excelsior?
>>63692541
who >nebula class here?
>>63692541
In my head cannon excelsior was really a dreadnaught moment for star fleet while the ambassador was quickly refined into the galaxy class.
>>63692612
Now there's a sexy bitch.
>>63692621
Maxwell did nothing wrong.
>>63692763
He forgot to leave bitchmaster Riker on the ship.
>>63692621
Anyone else think of corgis when they see this ship?
>>63692824
Not even a little.
>>63691773
Speaking of good ships in shit films...
>>63692815
What? Maxwell and Riker had almost nothing to do with each other.
>>63692846
What is that section on top for? are there more decks inside or is it just sensor equipment/weapon launch bays etc?
>>63692763
why are you being obtuse?
JUST
>>63693049
They're modular mission specific pods. Like a weapons platform, or sensor suite, or extra cargo and living space.
>>63692958
DUDE BAT LMAO
>>63693049
weapons pod carrying extra photon torpedoes and extra launchers
>>63691691
Have to agree.
JJ Enterprise looked modern but without sacrificing too much of the original's charm.
Too bad that 11 was the only "good" one. It's all been downhill from there, and that's fucking disappointing considering.
>>63693038
Oops I was thinking of John Locke and the pegasus.
>>63692763
That was the whole point of the episode.
Maxwell was right. The spoonheads were prepping for war.
But he did it all wrong.
It was all about how you did something. All about the dance.
Picard's last little speech to Gul notDukat said everything.
Seriously, the Wounded top 10.
Base as fuck
>>63692393
The aesthetic of the Star Trek movies from II to VII ought to go down as the best in the history of sci-fi film.
The aesthetic cohesion and the loving attention to detail is on par with 2001, and then some.
And my god, does it still hold up today.
>>63692846
What's the design philosophy behind the Nebula?
Like
>Ok so we want a massive exploration ship
>What about the Galaxy class, it's designed for long term voyages.
>No no, it has too much neck
>What?
>You heard me, too much neck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WQIw_fwzg&feature=youtu.be
So amazeballs
>>63693318
>Deck 78 in V
Yeah, "attention to detail".
>>63693338
wut
>>63692681
>the 4-foot model
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63693357
I was talking in terms of production design.
The writers though, well there's a reason why everyone's sperging over the new SW movie while Trek is getting the straight-to-video F&F treatment...
>>63693278
Top ten no doubt. That moment where O'Brien and Maxwell single the minstrel boy and Maxwell says "I'm not gonna win this one, am I , chief? "
There should have been a DS9 episode where they let him out after the dominion war broke out and gave him a command.
>>63693327
Well it uses many of the same components of the galaxy class, so I'm sure that streamlines the supply chain.
Its seems to be roughly the same tonnage, but seems to be geared to more mission specific work, while the galaxy class seems to be more of a generalist type ship.
There is one True Captain, and His name is Jellico.
>>63692541
I like the TV Ambassador, I think the originalAndy Probert design is slightly sleeker in design, but both are good
>>63693083
I'll pull you out of that one-bunk Riesa and cast you down with the Spoonheads. You'll think you've been fucked by an ore freighter!
>>63693446
>That moment where O'Brien and Maxwell single the minstrel boy and Maxwell says "I'm not gonna win this one, am I , chief? "
>mfw every time
It's one of the emotional moments on the show and it fucking nails it.
>>63693502
They even named a ball after him.
>>63693531
>>63693327
Realistically it would make sense to get rid of a weak and thin structural point
A Romulan Warbird just decloaked off the starboard bow while you were performing a routine patrol of the neutral zone. What do?
>>63691691
It looks like over-designed and edgy trash. I miss the bright and sleek designs you used to see in sci-fi.
>>63692013
Imagine having to captain one of those death traps in a warzone. I don't even think their shields worked.
>>63692612
I believe the evolution was meant to reflect the change in car design but I'm going by some half-remembered commentary.
>>63692824
As a kid I just assumed somebody sat on an Galaxy class model. Although I am fond of its triangle sensor thing.
>>63693531
I don't like the sleekness of that one.
I like how the TV one had a stardrive section like a torpedo with wings.
It took into itself the charm of the Galaxy class.
That is, it's unexpectedly unorthodox until you really sit down and appreciate it.
Then you're all like "Yeah, I get you, you beautiful girl".
You want sloping curves and narrowing points. But denying that has its own value.
>>63693502
>Finally telling troi to stop prancing around the ship all slutted up and put on a damn uniform
So based. But that was some bull shit with the shift reasignments though. I'd would've been salty if I were a crewman.
>>63693623
forgot my pic
>>63693083
>>63693531
It's decent but it sticks out as a 'missing link' ship design between the B and the D, rather than being its own thing.
what if they made a starship that was just one gigantic escape pod? so if they ever had to evacuate the ship everyone would already be ready to escape. they'd be invincible
>>63692612
Sovereign class a fucking shit.
The Galaxy had class.
Maybe it looked bloated, but it wasn't compromising.
The Sovereign talks shit and gets all up in your face about her design.
She's a hotrod.
The Galaxy is big and confident.
She doesn't give a shit about boasting, but if you fuck with her, she'll lay you the fuck down.
To paraphrase Roosevelt, the Galaxy carried spoke softly and carried a bit stick. The Sovereign was up in your face about it.
>>63693623
>>63693650
Open channels.
If the Romulans don't immediately open fire, it means you have a bigger dick than they do.
So you have the advantage right off the bat.
Talk and get them to go fuck off.
>>63693674
50% of the ship not enough for you, eh?
Deez nutz comin through.
>>63693664
>it sticks out as a 'missing link' ship design between the B and the D, rather than being its own thing.
That's the point. The TV version takes an odd swerve off the design evolution road, especially with the secondary hull that doesnt look like an advancement on the Excelsior refit and doesnt look like a step before the Enterprise-D hull
>>63693777
Shall we die together, Tomalok?
>>63693804
But that's more realistic.
You can see both B and D in the Ambassador, but also see a different idea.
The past doesn't have foresight.
It looks weird to us because we know what the ultimate Galaxy class will look like, but assuming the point of view of the Ambassador designers, they don't know that, so there's bound to be some weird angle and rough edges.
>>63693674
That's the Oberth class distress beacon tbqh
>>63693717
yes its very showboat-y
starfleet designed it with a more offensive mindset (for the federation anyways) than the all-rounder exploration ship that is the galaxy
its ostentatious but its still pretty sexy
>>63693796
If Marry Sue had a starship...
>>63693892
OUT OF MY WAY OVERDESIGNED SHITS
>>63693623
The purple heart box of the 24th century.
>>63693931
That fucking blew my teenage mind.
There was something different about that sequence. The lighting? Augmented by CGI?
Either way, it looked more HD than the prior starship model segements .
>>63693931
>posts literally the most overdesigned "how can we make a futuristic ship without having to actually pay for a new model" kitbash ever
No tinman yet?
Disgusting.
>>63693902
I don't think it was much of a Mary sue. It just seemed like it in comparison because star fleet finally got it's shit together and made a warship.
>>63693998
Great episode.
Top 20.
>>63693796
>Your chilling in spacedock when this ship comes in and fires a pulse phaser at your escort freighter.
>What do you do?
>>63693994
Doesn't matter still came.
>>63693796
>the first time the Defiant fires its phaser cannons
>>63693796
>there are literally people that defend the hideous terd that is the defiant
>shes an experimental prototype
>shes overgunned
>she flies herself apart in tests
>proceeds to operate flawlessly for the entire show run, while outgunning, outmaneuvering, and taking more hits than any other ship in the alpha quadrant fleet
if a ship could be a mary sue
>>63694003
>its only flaw
>ITS TOO POWERFUL
Also, its crew are all the senior officers on the starbase. Making sure you can't staff one without fucking the other.
>>63693717
>She's a hotrod.
Thank fuck for that. The Enterprise-D was a fucking family camper. The E-E brought sexy back.
>>63694100
She got BTFO in her very first episode.And she got BTFO in her last episode too.
>>63694077
>Straight up ramming through that jemhadar fighter in the ovarian nebula
Best Trek design in the past 30 years right here.
>>63694171
Akira class was too next-gen for its own good.
It's a meme now for based starship.
Ever since ENT copied its design, it's too meme to like honestly.
Church's (JJ) Enterprise design is great.
Then JJ decided to make everything on it bright blue
And ILM decided to scale the ship up by a factor of 10 to make it look cooler, even though it makes no sense for the way Church designed it
>>63693998
I loved every fucking aspect of this episode.
Tinman's spin could wipe out a solar system.
The guy who played Tam Elbrun had his best appearance in Star Trek during this episode as well.
>>63694171
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>>63694100
>if a ship could be a mary sue
>>63694133
>Oh hey, did you ship get blown up?
>Here have an identical ship that we've just had lying around for the entire war
>even after it demonstrated its effectiveness over and over again
>we gave the third one to some 12 year old cadets
>BTW you can call this one the definat too, in recognition for you blowing up the last one
>>63694133
>first episode
>survives while a galaxy gets btfo
>only loses battle because dominion magic technology
>last episode
>only loses battle because breen magic technology
>every other starfleet ship also BTFO
>replaced immediately after destruction by not-defiant because DS9 occasionally dipped to Mass effect 2-tier writing
>>63694171
Sexy ass Akira Class
>>63694209
I can't hate Voyager.
Intrepid class is a beaut
>>63694216
>>63694237
How much did you dislike The Voyage Home?
>>63694171
It's too bad it was used so seldom. Most use it saw out of first contact was that voyager episode with Andy Dick.
>>63694200
The Kelvin was pretty sweet
>>63694209
>literally stated as a light cruiser in the beginning
>only op because delta quadrant is literally space africa
everything else stems from bad writing, like their inexhaustible torpedos/shuttles or the producers being to cheap to make the sets look dingy/damaged
>>63693947
The Miles O'Brien of starships. Each piloted by an angry Asian woman.
I feel bad for giving Doug Drexler so much shit for the NX-01, back in the day, especially now that I've read the heartbreaking story of how it was designed and the unbelievable bullshit the producers and VFX departments subjected him to
>restyle the Akira, fans like that, you've got two weeks t. Berman
>hey put aztecing all over the hull so we can shoot it half-lit with a spotlight on it, t. VFX
>>63694307
>take a Freedom class pizza-cutter
>double it
Okay.
>>63694262
Kirk saves the galaxy twice after bending the rules slightly to save the guy who would eventually become the architect for peace in the alpha quadrant for the next 100 years.
Muh emissary is nowhere near that level.
>>63694216
Don't worry, we got a shit ton on the other side of the Federation patrolling the fucking Romulan Neutral Zone and shit. We're just throwing Mirandas at the Dominion for the lulz.
>>63694330
>if only it lived another season
>>63694330
I didn't know that until now.
I wish ENT got the proper gestation period it needed.
Everything about it felt so... half-baked.
>>63694342
You don't remember that episode where he convinced the Prophets to annihilate an enemy fleet and cut off reinforcements?
Starfleet likes him a lot after that.
>>63694208
Watching enterprise now, which at the time I bemoaned as the death of the franchise. Now that I've seen the necrophilic depths to which it has plumbed ent isn't that bad. It's not particularly good trek but it's still trek which is more than I can say for the design by focus group bull shit that has the name now.
>>63694307
Loved all the old-style JJ ships
>dat concept art
>>63694391
Jesus christ I forgot how terrible the dominion war was.
Deus Ex Wormhole
>>63694378
That feels too convenient.
Like "How do we make this look more like the Enterprise with no bloody A B C or D?"
The warp drive is the "sauce section" so is the crew section.
Why is the refit portion so huge?
I'd rather it be a tumor on the bottom the saucer, so you can see how future designers are like "Yeah, we gotta separate the saucer from the main deflector and drive section"
>>63694262
>enterprise
>dead for 2.5 years real time, shows up (and actually has a different name) for like 60 seconds after that
>only gets its own movie another 2.5 years later
>defiant
>blown up
>replaced literally 30 days later, immediately renamed to the original ship and identical in every way
if you missed those four episodes you'd never even know the ship got destroyed and replaced
>>63694378
Dis real?
>>63694441
But I kinda liked that.
The whole point of the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens, is that they don't see time linearly.
So Siskso convincing the Prophets to value Bajor then meant they valued Bajor in the past and future.
The Bajorans were full of stories about how the Prophets saved them. That moment was the time when Sisko made that happen.
It was pretty literally Deus Ex, but it made sense considering the context.
>>63694441
>>63694451
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore.
The Defiant gets BTFO in the show.
She even gets BTFO in First Contact too, just for good measure.
>>63694471
If season 5 of enterprise happened, yes.
>>63694318
>inexhaustible torpedos/shuttles
To be fair, they did say that the shuttles could be replicated and assembled
>>63694451
Yeah indefensible writing. Either destroy it outright or let it limp home. Or better yet destroy it a few episodes later over cardassia and have the crew beam down to the surface.
>>63694378
Lovely to imagine but the proto-deflector at the front of the saucer is now redundant and should be removed, unless it's a Voyager-style back-up.
>>63694547
The torpedo thing is the most egregious.
They specifically say that torpedoes can't be replaced.
And yet... This happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k
>>63694171
The Steamrunner-class will always be in the Akira-class' shadow
Funfact: Originally there was going to be 12 new ships in the First Contact Borg Battle
>>63694550
>Either destroy it outright
They did.
>or let it limp home.
But then 4channers would complain that it's too over-powered. Oh, wait...
>>63694522
i did find it funny how frakes and the first contact crew insulted the defiant both in the dialogue and by making the model tiny
and having it get trashed
the defiant is ugly and the writers of ds9 clearly had a love affair with it the way it mowed down enemy vessels with reckless abandon
>>63694451
Not to mention the original 1701 was being decommissioned, but the constellation class ships still saw service for almost another century. So they weren't exactly rare.
>>63694590
The Steamrunner doesn't have a based Thunderchild under its ranks
>>63693338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTwAxgqK2A
>>63694636
This is one of my favouriteJohn Cenavideos.
They manage the shitty audio distortions just right
>>63694587
>They specifically say that torpedoes can't be replaced.
They could have discovered new technologies. There were a lot of things they came across which were more advanced than Fed tech
Who /axanar/ here?
Some of the ships in the preview looked nice and the CGI was pretty good for a fanfilm.
>>63694380
Yeah, everything went wrong on that show, even before it started. Berman wanted to take a year off after Voyager, then UPN told him they were doing another Trek show, right away, with him or without him. And since a dying Roddenberry had entrusted the franchise specifically to him, he said FUCK and started sketching ideas for a prequel
They wanted the first season to be set on Earth, and be about building the ship and getting the crew together, and the politics of starting Starfleet. That could've been interesting. UPN said LOL BORING JUST DO THE NORMAL STUFF MAIDEN VOYAGE BRO
Then the whole ship design, it was originally supposed to look like this, UPN said NO NEEDS TO HAVE A SAUCER AND LOOK LIKE THE OTHER SHIPS, and they tried for months to come up with a good design before running out of time and getting Drexler to restyle the Akira as a desperation move
Then, as ratings fell, the interference from the network got even worse and worse. UPN/CW wanted them to have hot bands of the day come on the show and play, because that worked on all their other programming (that wasn't set on a goddamn spaceship in the future).
And then they wrote a 7-year arc for the main characters that basically had them being clueless idiots in the first couple years who grow into the archetypical Starfleet crew, which basically meant the first couple years were awful
Also choosing bad guys named the Suliban, then right before the series premiere the Taliban and AQ do 9/11
Also their theme song (Wherever You Will Go by The Calling) got stolen by WB after they'd already finished the intro sequence that was set to it, and they had to scramble for a song that fit the meter, which is how we ended up with Faith Of The Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEcaR9Cj7k <-- with the original song
Just a clusterfuck from Day 0
>>63694590
Nova class was my favorite small ship.
>>63691646
Daily Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5yB9Vmd6I
>>63694636
Thanks for destroying my speakers, asshole
>>63693440
In what world are sets not part of production design and the responsibility of writers?
>>63694692
This
Tbqh
>>63694672
They could also have said "This new technology will allow us to replace our torpedoes", but they didn't.
>>63694677
Best fanfilm I have ever seen. After watching the trailer for STAR TREK BEYOND, I wish Paramount would have put 100 million into Axanar instead of Beyond
>>63694689
What could have been...
>>63694689
>that original song
We dodged a bullet
https://youtu.be/RBlXE_Knsbw
I'm drunk as shit and I figure y'all would enjoy this
https://vimeo.com/46927209
No one ONLY watches Star Trek
>I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand... I killed them all... all Husnock... everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TREQGl54BU8
Best scene in DS9
>>63694879
As much as I like that episode (Nice house, good tea), I'm glad Star Trek moved beyond the omniscient alien of the week.
>>63694806
Faith of the Heart is much worse imtbho
It was just the only song they could get the rights to, that fit the meter for the intro sequence they'd done for Wherever You Will Go
>>63694884
nah here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnULSqHNR-U
>>63694879
We are departing the Rana system for Starbase 133.
>We leave behind a being of extraordinary power and conscience.
>I'm not certain if he should be praised or condemned.
>Only that he should be left alone.
>>63694950
I'd say DS9 was the first ST show to introduce masturbation, but then again, there's that one TNG episode with Jean Grey mindfucking Charles Xavier
>>63694879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT2U6DlfFNY
That entire scene was pure gold.
>>63694850
>https://vimeo.com/46927209
Song is better with the space ships.
>>63694700
Am I a Major Asshole?
>>63694947
>Faith of the Heart is much worse imtbho
>>63695061
You're a Colonel Colon
>>63695003
This is the perfect TNGxTOS episode.
It has the morals of TNG and the scope of TOS.
>>63694793
>dat aesthetic
>>63695003
Forgot how qt Crusher was
>>63695003
>We have no law for your crimes
Starfleet doesn't have laws for genocide? Wasn't Khan charged with genocide?
Me I like the Reliant, It's classic, stout, a warship in all but name.
Every time it swings into view in the wrath of Khan it feels menacing. It has been in use by starfleet longer than any other class of starship. While the enterprise is elegant, almost birdlike the reliant is a short little bulldog of a ship.
DS( reused the footage of those same two Mirandas flying in formation with the defiant and exploding so many times. It was just lazy reuse of effects shots.
I swear "plot armor" is unbelievably effective in startrek. these huge powerful ships explode when someone so much as farts in their direction, while whatever ship the main characters are on gets a blow by blow countdown of the percentage of plotarmor they have left.
>>63694692
Always wanted to serve on a nova class
Seemed like a good place to start
>>63695350
There's genocide and then there's "Erasure from existence".
>>63695350
What?
>>63695350
what could they do anyway?
>>63695386
The Oberth of the TNG era.. Good luck floating home mate.
>>63695370
It's the same as the constitution class just later out differently.
>same torpedo module
>same phaser banks
>same saucer
>same nacelles
>shown to be pretty much capably identical
>>63695350
yeah this line is poorly thought out
it should have been something along the lines of them having no punishment for a being like him
>>63695350
No, Khan left earth before starfleet was a thing.
>>63695452
Hope you like vacuum.
>>63695452
No, the oberth was still the oberth in TNG.
The Nova was always the other ship with a captain or ambassador of the week was on if it wasn't an excelsior.
>>63695506
The problem seems more jurisdictional to me anyway.
>>63695452
Oberth was fine.
There were hundreds of her.
The issue was that they were science and survey ships.
But Starfleet, in their infinite wisdom, conscripted them into wars.You should view Oberth class ships like academics drafted into Vietnam
>>63695370
I really like Wrath of Khan so much more now because of the horrible "THE SHIP THAT FACES OFF AGAINST THE ENTERPRISE IN EACH MOVIE MUST BE A SUPER ULTIMATE DESTRUCTION MACHINE" trope that they have shoved into every Trek movie thae past 20 years.
The Reliant was a Federation ship that had slightly more firepower than the Refit, and that made it so much more realistic and interesting.
Now there is THE MASSIVE USS VEANGANCE, and SHINZON'S MASSIVE SHIP WITH 900 DISRUPTOR BANKS, and NERO'S MASSIVE MINING SHIP THAT CAN DESTROY FLEETS OF SHIPS
Gimme a fucking break with all this fanboy shit writing
>>63695516
I don't think the nova was seen before voyager. It wasintroduced as ransom's ship.
>>63695516
Are people confusing the Nova with the Nebula?
>>63695597
Fuck I meant nebula. It's late, and I'm retarded. Goodnight /tv
>>63695471
Incorrect.
The Reliant has forward and aft torpedoes, enterprise has forward only.
The roll-bar phasers of the reliant are classed as some kind of turbo phaser (i cant remember the terminology they used basically they feed directly off the warp core or something and are more powerful)
The Saucer section is intigrated into the engineering section, again unlike enterprise that separates them.
The Nacelles are the same, wich seems to be a running theme in each era of trek that nacelle design is similar.
If the Miranda and Constitution are both equally capable and the Miranda gets the same job done while taking up less space that would make it a more advanced ship.
Most overlooked canon starship?
>>63695350
>Khan
>Genocide
This is some dumb bullshit Orci/Kurztman/Lindelof made up for Into Darkness because they were too incompetent to actually set up why he's a bad guy so they went for their standard tactic of "throw in a single line and don't explain it further" and genocide sounds bad.
>>63695589
This, to be honest.
I was hoping ST Beyond would be the good parts of WoK again.
That's what ST XII was missing.
A good duel between ships.
I hate that ST XIII has the Enterprise destroyed right off the bat.
Just once would I like see the old girl show up with a big ol' dick and fuck the assholes antagonizing Kirk.
>>63695649
Gonna need an onscreen citation of "turbo phaser"
In wrath of Khan they seem evenly matched. Both get off a surprise attack at the beginning crippling each other and then it's a game of cat and also cat for the rest of the movie.
>>63695589
shinzon's ship doesnt even compare to JJ's
the enterprise dukes it out with the scimitar for like 30 minutes, and even though it never had a chance of winning standing up, it's not even close to the narada trashing the entire federation fleet in 2 minutes or the vengeance blowing the enterprise up in 30 seconds.
besides the enterprise E beats the scimitar because the remans skimped on armor
>>63695589
I loved that in Wrath.. Here is a ship that is normally "no match for poor enterprise" that brings Kirk to tears. And when they are both crippled and damaged they are fighting on a roughly even field. Each blow in their fight is deadly, people are going to die, one lucky torpedo or phaser shot could be the end of either of them.
in the later films and JJ-trek we already know that the massive badguy ship is going to wreck shop until the crew finds some clever way to beat them. At this point it's a foregone conclusion.
>>63695731
Why are they afraid of a showing a real space battle in the new movies instead of "supership wins in 5 seconds"? I mean these are action movies right? Why pass up an obvious opportunity for action?
We're going to have more dirt bike action in the new movie than starships.
>>63695731
The WoK re-imagined meme needs to end.
>20 minute submarine warfare analogy
>modern movie action setpiece
Pick one.
>>63695840
The former.
Holy shit the former.
I miss that tension
God forbid a modern blockbuster have fucking patience between explosions
>>63695754
>Mining ship
I'm pretty sure an oil platform of today wouldn't stand a chance against a South Dakota class battleship if it went back it time.
JJ a hack
>>63695816
I'm actually a big puzzled by this.
Movies like Transformers have shown that CGI ridiculousness are in the budget for this type of shit.
So why not have it here?
I'm thinking it's because that the modern ST movies are 100% designed by committee, so they think "Can people tell apart these two grey hulks? Probably not, better just resort to gun play"
>>63695892
I can buy it.
In the future piracy is more of a thing than today.
Also, in the prequel-prequel comics, the Narada is actually a Romulan/Borg hybrid warship that Nero stole.
>>63695813
I liked how the shields worked in VI. There's still damage with the shields up they just prevent catastrophic penetration of the hull.
>>63695749
Sorry, best I can do is a Memory alpha page that lists them as some kind of phaser cannon. On screen they seem to preform like the enterprise's phasers. Though both ships rip holes in each other like they are carving up a beer can with a steak knife.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Phaser_cannon
what is with the federation and giant circles? it just doesn't make sense
>>63695983
Shields were never really consistent on all of Trek.
Sometimes they were a hull-stuck flicker when shit happened.
Other times they were full bubbles.
DS9 really ruined it by going back to the hull hugging design.
I could buy that TNG time and on that shields were whole bubbles, but DS9 ruined that by returning to the tight shields
>>63696019
Sphere is the 3D most efficient shape.
Circle is the most efficient 2D shape. 4
Humans think in 2D.
QED
Humans thinks that circles are most efficient shapes.
>>63696019
To remind you that whenever you see them you should just turn 360 degrees and walk away.
>>63696027
Are you drunk or high or something?
>>63696097
>Are you drunk
Yes, I am, but still that's true.
TOS inspired shit, like the show and movies, shields were hull hugging.
TNG came along and shields were bubbles around ships.
DS9 returned to hull hugging. Weapons glared against shielded hulls.
VOY went back to bubbles again, like TNG.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, the modern world doesn't have synthehol
>>63696019
There was some logical sense to the way Starfleet ships were designed. well "rules" any way that Gene laid out.
Basically that the central disk section was a sort of centralized hub with many decks sort of like an old Greek city. with the bridge in the center. the 2 nacelle or paired nacelle rule which was later broken for variety. And the engine room and engineering, separate from the living quarters.
JJtrek kind of fucks up the aesthetic by making the engine room look like a brewery and those sceens visually don't match the rest of the ship so they look like they are happening somewhere else.
>>63696179
>bridge MUST be on top of the ship
>nacelles must have line of sight between them
>>63696144
DS9 had bubble shields but defiant had ablative armor so fire struck right on the hull. But yeah it was wicked inconsistent. Nemesis went back to hull hugging shields too.
>>63696144
I recall reading that they omitted shields due to increased budget costs, apparently it was a tricky effect to create. Can't remember where I saw that though.
>>63696179
>JJtrek kind of fucks up the aesthetic by making the engine room look like a brewery
more egregious is the massive open sections and total lack of anything resembling a bulkhead system
>>63696144
Maybe the hull hugging design became used for the war because trek ships fight in retard close formations and Voyager was in essence a ship not outfitted for the domnion war lost in the backwoods of space.
Visually the magic bubble shields are a lit less dramatic and more obvious plot armor than seeing weapons beating on the hull and scarring metal.
PS: Fuck shields get money.
>>63696179
>JJtrek kind of fucks up the aesthetic by making the engine room look like a brewery
This.
I can get his ideas.
Like, the engine room should look like... an engine room.
But this is Star Trek.
This is the future.
Engine rooms should look like memories of modern engine rooms.
TOS did it right, TNG did it further.
By making the movies' engine rooms look like industrial plants, JJ lost a lot of the charm of the source material
>>63696301
Best ST movie, tbqh
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No Sexy Luna Class that Will Riker captains posted, trekies im dissapoint
>>63696288
On a separate note, did anyone else find B5 to be extremely amateurish, especially after S1
>>63696262
>>63696262
>>63696209
You're all right, What took me out of it the most was that the scenes just don't look like they are happening on the same ship. It is a total visual dissimilarity that just makes you loose your train of thought.
Like in Inside out, the dinner scene where we are jump cutting between 3 people's heads and the "real world" every set immediately lets you know where it belongs in the order of things. When they cut from the bridge to the engine room in JJtrek you're eye is instantly distracted and you subconsciously start wondering how they fit a warehouse in a spaceship.
>>63696334
Will "dead end career" Riker. 20 years without a promotion and still never the enterprise's co.
>>63696411
Star Fleet desperately needs an "up or out" rule.
>tfw you deck your ship out in every type of weapon that you can.
Can we for a moment say how retarded it was for JJprise to be constructed on Earth?
Can we please just say how ridiculous that was?
>>63696460
Yes and before anyone brings it up writing San Francisco on the plaque of the original ship is no where near as retarded.
>>63696460
I'm more bothered by how huge the ship was.
>>63696381
Bitch you best be trollin.
The existence of DS9 is owed in part to JMS's pitch to paramount. The idea of a multi season arced story and non episodic show got it's roots in b5.
I love me some Startrek. Really I do. And i really Love me some B5 I'll not debate which is the superior show because frankly I'm glad to have had them both. The CGI made it possible to produce that show and did get better and better after the first season. Of all the shows that have come and gone after it, B5 still holds up today as one of the best scifi series ever put on television.
>>63696501
no one knows how huge it is because all of the indicating shots contradict each other because the FX team is inept
>>63696520
ILM has been doing spaceship effects for 40 years. How did they forget how scaling works?
>>63696334
It looks like a Sovereign and a nebula fucked and had a tardbaby.
>>63696510
>The existence of DS9 is owed in part to JMS's pitch to paramount. The idea of a multi season arced story and non episodic show got it's roots in b5.
Yeah that's true, but after S1 it got extremely retarded.
Ok I get that the actor got schizo or something.
But still, Tron's love affair with Delan was stupid as hell.
It was essentially, Mary Sue: The Couple.
I could have gotten behind it until Tron sacrificed himself and resurrected after. That was stupid as hell.
And then G'Kar and Londo were "conveniently" paired together.
Honestly, the show peaked when Tron died.
After that, all shit
>>63696541
JJ ABRAMS
>>63696541
Because Scifi writers have no sense of scale. And ultimately ILM does the bidding of those writers.
>>63696596
>poorlitteenterpise.jpg
>>63696596
>Because Scifi writers have no sense of scale
while this is true, writers dont to the effects shots
and there very clearly must be multiple classes of bird of prey, there's pretty much literally no other explanation between the massive ones you see in that pic, the middling ones, and the tiny one from the voyage home
>>63696625
Writers do things like the shuttlebay scene that makes the new Enterprise insanely big. Or are there other scale issues in the new movies besides that?
>people enjoy DS9
>>63696562
Londo and G'kar was one of the best parts of that show. Fuck that, just Londo's entire arc is a 5 season parable that ends in "be careful what you wish for"
Alfred Motherfukin Bester... never have I hated a villain for all the right reasons.
Finding love in the face of your enemy is basically what the tron/badactress thing was all about.
Susan "God" Ivonava. "All love is unrequited, all of it."
Oh and Pic related...
>>63696653
writers just write things
its the directors jobs to make sure that their writing translates over to the effects teams, or that he make changes that he wants
is the shuttlebay to blame on the writers or the director or the effects team, who the hell knows. the fact that no one caught it means at the very least the director and effects team are to blame
the other scale issues have to do with the absolutely massive wrecked saucer the enterprise almost crashes into, the fact that the massive size means that roughly only every other deck has windows, the size of the workers you can see building it at its... shipyard, the massive size of the engineering bay, and things like the enormous open-air column thing from the sequel, and probably other things i forgot
>>63696717
>In Season 1 we hear Londo talk about his prophetic dream about him and G'Kar killing each other when they're old
>In Season 2 we see the dream
>In Season 3 we see it happen but in a new context
>In Season 4-5 we see their relationship and situation evolve to set up where it it will happen
Every single show these days is serialized. Why is B5 one of the few (only?) that was planned out ahead of time so you can have satifsfying plot lines like that?
>>63696717
Alfred Bester was based, yes I admit.
Londo and G'Kar was based as fuck, until shitty writing made them together.
The show was at its best when G'Kar and Londo were in that elevator dying of smoke.
G'kar just laughing at Londo when he knew that Londo would die of "natural" causes and so would leave his people free from repercussions.
That was based as fuck. But after that, it turned to some "Lomdo and G'kar (aka space-Jesus) team up" shit.
B5 went on too long. They got too much lore in the way.
Can't hate Ivanova though. She's my gay waifu
>>63696751
"Writers have no sense of scale" is quoting a trope.
It is a blanket statement meant that the majority of the time the people in charge of planning and making the visuals are not knowledgeable on the scale of the environments they are in. More often they are concerned with a shot being visually impressive than if all the sizes add up right. Because in today's fast cut action scenes you don't have time to process it right away, or at least not the first time you see it.
Back when I was watching TNG in it's broadcast days and they pulled one of those fucked up scale shots of the birds of prey and the enterprise D it was on screen so long that i had time to think "Well fuck me that's not right."
Here, have some Oberth-prise
>>63693623
*initiates multi-vector attack mode*
>>63696757
It wasn't planned ahead, Jesus.
It was just as faked as Lost, but B5 managed to make it seem like it was planned.
Yeah, Londo was meant to end up as an evil Emperor but they retconned hat like twice with his evil parasite, that was never really fully actualized.
And then there was the sudden end to the Shadows.
The whole point was that the opposed the "Light" side of the ancient aliens.
But yeah, they decide to go alongside the good ancients.
I was hoping they'd betray the rest and pretend to go along, but they honestly did.
B5 lore is shit.
Sinclair was based. But once Tron steps in, it's shit
>>63696842
i know what tv tropes is, thanks
and that trope specifically refers to scifi writers not understanding the distance between stellar objects or the size/mass/volume of those objects
you can derive from this a lack of understanding on effective ranges of weapon types in space, or how easily it is to detect things in space
not understanding how to properly scale different parts of your ship to actually conform to each other, even remotely, has nothing to do with it and is simply straight up inept retardation or unabashed apathy
though orci, kurtzman, and lindelof definitely have no fucking sense of scale either
>transporters go all the way to another star system, let alone the klingon homeworld
>enterprise travels from quonos to earth in like 3 minutes
>enterprise gets blasted out of warp like 200,000km from earth
...good fucking god into darkness was horrible
pew pew
>>63696972
Or just
>Starships are in visible range when they fire on each other
>>63696972
>klingon border is 75,000km away from the kelvin
>scotty says transporters only work on a grapefruit sized object for about 100 miles, even though humans are blatantly transported farther earlier in the film
>supernova threatens to destroy the galaxy
>enterprise falls from the moon into the atmosphere in two minutes
the writers must have failed physics
>>63696802
It still ends with G'kar Strangling Londo to death.
I really loved that story. At episode 1 the Centari are a defeated humbled empire, their former slaves now laughing in their faces and taking territory from them and the Centari (imperial french) empire won't do shit about it. Londo is a drunk, he is marooned on a diplomatic position to get rid of him.. so he gets pissed off, he plots and maneuvers.. He is about to Trump the shit out of the Centari republic. And all it costs him is a deal with the devil. the woman he truly loved, becoming the face of a second genocide of the narn, murdering a insane dictator, and becoming ruler of his people. Only to have to learn the truth, that he will be corrupted, that he has to drink himself into a stupor in order to hope to have control, all that he fought for, all that he schemed to avoid, How Proud he was to have beaten all the odds. Now in his final hours he has to call on the Friend who was his most venomous enemy to kill him.
>>63697031
this is just a disconnect between visuals and actual dialogue. frequently weapon range is stated as like thousands of kms in TNG or TOS. but combat at these ranges is pretty fucking dull, ever for star trek
>>63697031
the other explanation is that all the weapons we see move pretty slow and the ships are both pretty fast and agile
at non-visual ranges, ships simply have too much time to change direction or speed to avoid a shot. i mean at, say 1,000km, you only have to alter your course by like seconds of a degree to totally avoid the shot
>>63697049
But I like it better when G'kar strangles Londo out of hate.
In the later continuity, he strangle Londo out of compassion and freedom.
I like Londo failing, but G'kar shouldn't recognize that failure. He should kill Londo out of his crimes against his people. Not for some greater good.
>>63696873
The major story beats were all written out in advance. the network being wonky with the renew or cancellation forced JMS to condense the stories for season 4 and 5 into season 4.
While there is some great stuff in season 5 I think it would have been served better to have stretched the end of the shadow war and given the earth civil war more breathing room then ended it there.
>>63697127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHpMAubwfQg
>>63691646
Heres what I dont get about the federation. Is there some canon lore that states why the ships used are primarily human designed and built? I mean why dont we see Andoran or Vulcan ships play a similar roll as the ships shown in star trek?
>>63697215
Because
HUMANS ARE SUPERIOR
>>63697230
T'/pol/ does not approve of this SJW shit
Humans are inferior beings-- they naturally tend toward violence and ignorance
>>63697268
>The Vulcan Science Academy has proven that time travel is impossible
>>63697230
I always figured it was a standardization thing, like maybe they sent a few transfer officers/cadets on a Vulcan ship and they got hella disoriented. (Head canon I guess) still would be kickass to see one of these in star fleet grey and blue.
>>63697215
Humans get shit done?
Seriously though, if the federation shipyards are run by humans, man we can build shit. You can say we have a knack for construction and in a post scarcity environment what makes you think we would stop?
Also, might be that human ships are the cheapest to make, seeing how fragile they seem to be unless there is a main character on them. So like every other military they are made by the lowest bidder.
>>63697215
The Federation is separate from each Planet's militia.
Earth is the exception. We only have the Feds.
But each other species operates their own spaceforce in conjunction to Starfleet
>>63697373
That's a funny looking Agamemnon
>>63697417
I was playing STO years ago, all of my warships were named after B5 earth force ships.
>>63697532
Got to be square, B5 ships had some based ass names
>>63694692
Nova class is my favorite Federation ship but my favorite overall is the Klingon Bird of Prey.
>>63697728
Fun fact, as I'm sure you know, but in the original script the BoP was a Romulan ship.
Funny how the most iconic Klingon ship began as another species ship
>>63697759
looked essentially nothing alike beyond having 'wings'
>>63697728
I'd like the bird of prey more, but apparently klingon ship design is just taking the bird of prey and running it through the photocopier at 2x, 5x, and 10x to get different ship classes.
>>63693785
Why are Eve ships so fucking ugly? Honestly, I just hate their aesthetics, they're so bulbous and shitty looking.
