Who's better at filmmaking?
Japanese or Koreans?
The chingchongs.
>>63682075
Hong Kongians
>>63682075
The Japanese were better in the past, but there's only been a handful of good films out of there in the last decade.
Korea has put out a lot of solid movies as of late, but only a couple of great ones.
>>63682095
/thread
>>63682095
hong kong
>flicks
koreans
>movies
japanese
>film
There's only one great Korean director. Meanwhile there's been about 6 great Japanese ones. Unfortunately they're all dead.
Chinese
Hmong
>>63682075
I think you are looking at cinema in a wrong way.
>>63682075
Japan: Silent Era to 90s
Korean: 00s and go on
The Housemaid is from the korean 60s and it's a masterpiece but they have just that.
Japan only have Koreeda as a patrician film director. Miike and Sion Sono are just fun meme directors nowdays.
Historically, Japan. RIght now both are pretty shit.
>the contemporary-Japanese-cinema-sucks meme
maybe try watching something else than live action anime adaptations you plebs
>>63682139
This. Korea has been killin it lately.
>>63682326
>Miike and Sion Sono are just fun meme directors nowdays.
You've only watched 'Tag', haven't you? Himizu came out in 2011. Cold Fish was 2010, regardless of what you say they are movies filled with amazing performances. I don't understand what makes them 'meme' directors nowadays when they are still doing their same style.
You musn't know much.
>>63683424
Korean cinema simply cannot be on the level of Japanese cinema. They were heavily censored up until the early 90's pretty much anything coming out before then is on the level of North Korean propoganda.
The reason their 'good' movies are so shocking is becasue they are behind, they are trying to play catch-up.
Japanese are simply the best film makers in the world. Always have been and still are creating some of the best movies out there.
>>63682326
>Miike and Sion Sono are just fun meme directors nowdays.
You'll eat your fucking words when The Whispering Star comes out, trust me.
>>63682187
Sion Sono isnt dead
>>63682187
Takeshi Kitano isn't dead.
>>63683617
>Japanese are simply the best film makers in the world. Always have been and still are creating some of the best movies out there.
I think you are biased.
>>63684090
Not at all. It is you who is biased if you think Euop directors influenced the modern industry more than the Japanese.
I won't even get started on the fact that Europ directors now are no way near the standard they were in their early eyars, Japanese how ever have fallen no way near as much.
>>63684153
French New Wave is more influential than any Japanese movement.
>>63682075
Japs by a mile
>>63683758
>>63684003
Whatever you're implying is dead wrong.
>>63683617
>They were heavily censored up until the early 90's
So was the Eastern Bloc.
>>63684182
>French New Wave is more influential than any Japanese movement.
>>63684182
Heh, no. Not in todays standard.
Think what he world would be like without Star Warts. Leave your bias at the door. The Japanese contribution to the modern canon is absoluelty massive. The Japanese Golden Age was much more influential, in the long run, than any other film contributors in the world. Simply fact.
All the "best" modern Japanese filmmakers make soulless looking shit that look like made for TV movies.
>>63684352
You are again completely wrong. French New Wave or Soviet montage were far more influential than any Japanese movement.
>Star Wars
Nice, one example. Except there were similar Hollywood films before.
Is Beat Takeshi still relevant?
>>63684447
>Nice, one example. Except there were similar Hollywood films before.
What? Kurosawa directly inspired Lucas' creation of Star Wars. Can't have one without the other.
>You are again completely wrong. French New Wave or Soviet montage were far more influential than any Japanese movement.
You know you could back up your blanket statement with some actual examples. But you can't, there are very few French new wave films which helped film making the way the Japanese did
>Kobayashi
>Kurosawa
>Mizoguchi
>Ozu
vs what? Goddard? Truffaut?
It doesn't really compete, at all.
don't even bother replying, if you don't bring up anything worth note I won't reply again.
>>63684592
I don't think you understand the importance of this movement. You know, they kinda created the term auteur.
Okay, name some other films influenced by the Japanes filmmakers except Star Wars.
>>63684592
and kurosawa was heavily influenced by eisenstein.
no alexander nevsky - no seven samurai
>this fucking weeb
Wow.
>>63684787
Hmmmmm, something tells me you have no idea what you are talking about just are attempting to parrot some 4chan ideologies.
>implying you ever heard the word auteur before you came here.
>except Star Wars.
It's only the biggest movie franchise in history. Everything influenced by Star Wars can have it's roots traced back to the Japanese directors.
Ozu's style is literally unique to Ozu, he invented many techniques which are still being used today. It's near impossible to list all the influneces of Japanese cinema, it's absolutley massive. I am only using their Golden age as an example as it's a small sample, and still resctricting it to a single movie. They invented the shomin-geki genre, something you have probably never heard of but seen an endless amount of movies revolving around that idea.
>>63685042
this is what we call a discussion, anon.
>>63685078
I'm wasting my time.
Japanese samurai films weren't the only influence for Star Wars.
>shomin-geki
There is nothing original about this genre.
>>63685349
>There is nothing original about this genre.
hahahahahahahahaha. Wow, it's literally entirley original. They started the whole 'movie about the common man', it's so intrinsic to modern cinema it's not even funny. Why are you so adamant in proving how much of a pleb you are?
>Japanese samurai films weren't the only influence for Star Wars.
Except that's wrong, and Lucas has straight up said he is influenced by Hidden Fortress.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8r0LhpMzk
Let me guess, just a conincidence?
>I'm wasting my time.
Yes, yes you are.
>>63685451
>movie about the common man
You mean Kammerspielfilm? Or maybe early Swedish films of Victor Sjöström?
He also said that he was influenced by Flash Gordon.
>>63685640
>You mean Kammerspielfilm? Or maybe early Swedish films of Victor Sjöström?
Ha, no. That's not shomin-geki, you have no understanding of what you are saying, at all. This isn't even French new wave vs Japanese Golden age, gee, I wonder why?
:^)
Shomin-geki is literally about common man, not featuring common man. They are two seperate things.
>>63684182
Eisenstein montage style is more influential than any French New Wave movement.
>>63685730
>They are two seperate things.
Can you elaborate?
>>63685807
Really? Are you even trying anymore?
>>63685807
one is about japanese commoners which means it's better because the japanese are more sugoi desu ne
also are we seriously measuring the worth of a nation's film output by how much it influenced star wars?
>>63685451
>Except that's wrong, and Lucas has straight up said he is influenced by Hidden Fortress.
>>Japanese samurai films weren't the only influence for Star Wars.
READING COMPREHENSION.
>>63682075
Classic Japanese cinema>>>classicKorean cinema
Modern Korean cinema>>>modern Japanese cinema
>>63685944
>also are we seriously measuring the worth of a nation's film output by how much it influenced star wars?
You're an idiot if you don't see the influence Star wars has had on movie's over it's years.
I don't even like star wars, but to deny it's influence is simply idiotic.
>>63685944
I guess German or Swedish commoners aren't good enough. Or maybe they are too melodramatic? But there are still films like People on Sunday or The Crowd.
>>63686040
yea and I'm sure beatles has influenced a lot of worthless pop acts, doesn't mean it's great art
shut the fuck up with your awful popular culture dreck you degenerate weeb
>>63686202
>ad hom
>denying objective quality of works based on a subjective opinion
Rather be a degenerate weeb than a pleb, make that choice any day of the week.
>>63686272
you're truly the last bastion of taste for watching the movie equivalent of a pop hit
bore someone else with your laser swords and green goblins
>>63686552
>still just posting ad hom
Please, continue.
>>63686552
>doesn't like electric swords and green goblins
>comes on /tv/
>>63684337
this
>>63682180
memeing hard this evening I see
>>63684787
that meme flick with kirk eastwood when he wears a fedora and cape
>>63686585
there's literally nothing to discuss. I can name hundreds of great directors who weren't inspired by star wars and you can tell me about kevin smith and the big bang theory
>>63682075
pre 1980's, Japenese
modern day, Koreans
altho I should preface that with a big IMO.
>>63686795
>implying that's the point.
You didn't read the thread did you? I mentioned many other examples other than Star Wars, it's you and the othe rpleb that is latching onto JUST that.
Coincidence? I think not.
>I can name hundreds of great directors
Go on then.
>>63686869
I latched onto just that because you're a tasteless mong
>I can name hundreds of great directors
abbas kiarostami
alexander sokurov
lukas moodysson
miguel gomes
lee chang-dong
hirokazu kore-eda
michael haneke
bruno dumont
hou hsiao-hsien
philippe grandrieux
james benning
lisandro alonso
ben rivers
claire denis
edward yang
davide manuli
michael palm
mohammad rasoulof
apichatpong weerasethakul
wang bing
quay brothers
tsai ming-liang
chantal akerman
matthew barney
lav diaz
I just realized I haven't checked wether these people like star wars so this is pointless
>>63687149
>posts a subjective list
:^)
That's only 26. Where are the other 74?
>all those modern directors
xD
I thought you were going to post actual great directors, not directors you thought were great.
>I latched onto just that because you're a tasteless mong
Sure.
Japanese:
>I will establish tone and character through thoughtful composition and structure.
Koreans:
>Yo, man! Wouldn't it be, like, so cool if there was a lot of blood and guts and some opera music played? Talk about tonal dissonance, man! Tarantino would be so proud of me!
Japanese by a mile.
>>63687210
I'm not going to post 100 because a) you're a rat who doesn't deserve quality and b) I can't be bothered to check wether they're inspired by star wars or not. who knows, sokurov might like the movies as much as you
>all those modern directors
what's the point of posting directors who came before star wars, they couldn't even be influenced by them
>>63687210
Not him but this argument has become absolutely ridiculous and you've not proven your point in the slightest.
I'm a big fan of japanese cinema but to say it's more influential than european is just wearing blinkers.
>>63687149
>>63687386
autism
>>63687226
Your description of Korean films applies to dozens of Japanese films though. It's what their country was known for at the turn of the century.
>>63687386
>being this butt hurt.
You know you can form apoint without being flustered, right?
>I'm not going to post 100 because a) you're a rat who doesn't deserve quality
:^)
>>63687402
>I'm a big fan of japanese cinema but to say it's more influential than european is just wearing blinkers.
You can always attempt to prove your blanet statement, with actual evidence. I proved my point much earlier in this thread with the other pleb, this guy for some reason can't leave Star Wars alone.
>>63687465
You listed four or five directors and the fact that Lucas nicked a couple of story beats for star wars from Hidden Fortress then refused to talk to a guy who listed a couple dozen directors as a rebuttal. You've proven nothing other than that you're completely closed to any kind of meaningful discourse.
>>63687563
>>63687563
I list those directors relating to a different argument though, so no, you didn't read this thread. You seriously want me to list off the directors which I THINK are great, not which are actually great? That proves literally nothing. Not one of those directors competes anywhere NEAR the quality of ONE of the directors which I list off earlier.
Are you also trying to imply those subjective directors he list are anywhere near the quality of actual objective directors which I list?
Listing those directors directly proved that the golden age of Japanese cinema was far more influential than the French New Wave.
>not backing up his point
>instead post ad hom
Try again. I need to leave, going to be interesting reading your replies when I get back.
>>63687631
>Are you also trying to imply those subjective directors he list are anywhere near the quality of actual objective directors which I list?
And there you go. You opinion = objective. Everyone elses = subjective.
There's no discussion here, you don't want to talk about this. You just want to scream about how you apparently know more than everyone else.
It's just so incredibly boring. No one here, even people who think you have a point (like myself) have anything to say to you.
Enjoy your day.
>>63687719
I am entirley interested in having a discussion. I don't know where you got the fact that I don't from? Is this you backing out?
>refusing to make a point but continuing to say you have a point
That's a fallacy, friend.
>refusing to admit there is an objective qulaity in film making which is the only thing that matters in this discussion
Rightio.
You haven't even alluded to your point, except stating you have one, you just post ad hom.
Come now.
Name 5 Japanese films
>Seven Samurai
>Tokyo Story
>Woman in the Dunes
>Sansho the Bailiff
>Ugetsu
Name 5 Korean films
>Oldboy
>?
>?
>?
>?
yup
>>63687972
pleb as fuck
memories of a murder
I saw the devil
sympathy for lady vengeance
sympathy for mr vengeance
The man from nowhere
a dirty carnival
new world
the chaser
a bittersweet life
those are all 7.5/10+ and it took me 20 seconds to name them
>>63688431
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>63682075
List good Jap films that aren't from Kurosawa
Koreans are really good at drama.
The Japanese are really good at horror. They seem to be obsessed with gore and perversion.
But there are a lot of exceptions.
>>63688431
They really are on fire as of late
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjo2nIme0Hc&list=PL6D214ADB736C7F97
>>63686585
>>63683617
what movies are these
Hong Konginese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P-71sIQiFQ
i saw the devil
I really like Kim Ki-duk and Hong Sang-soo but I'm not really well versed in Korean films outside of those two and the works of the major players like Bong Joon-ho, there is no Japanese New Wave/New Hollywood equivalent for Korean films, there are only a handful of directors who are all that noteworthy in Korean cinema, Japan has such a massive library of classics you can't compare the two.
>>63688965
I barely watch Japanese films. hard to get into them for some reason. what are some good classics?
>>63689033
just watch ozu, naruse, kurosawa
>>63688965
Actually, according to Wiki the golden age of Korean cinema lasted from 1953 to 1973.
>In 2003, Jean-Michel Frodon, editor-in-chief of Cahiers du cinéma, wrote that the discovery of The Housemaid by the West, over forty years after the film's debut, was a "marvelous feeling—marvelous not just because one finds in writer-director Kim Ki-young a truly extraordinary image maker, but in his film such an utterly unpredictable work".
It seems like Korean films wait to be discovered by the Western world.
atm, korean
it is a shame honestly, asia always produce interesting stuff but japan is kinda half dead right now and hongkong is sellout with cheap hollywood shit
>>63689033
Vengeance is Mine
The Throne of Blood
The Human Condition
if were using films from just this year, China is better than both.
>>63689193
recommend me some good chinese movies this year, brother
>>63689172
>>63688965
anything from this year or recent? give me some good oldies and some good modern ones.
Before 2000 - Japanese
After 2000 - Korean
Vietnamese.
No joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVoOQJK3iaE
i thought this was funny. not exactly film but it's in a drama series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfHh-HZCN4
>tfw Miyazaki retired and Kon is dead
Not even anime can save Japan now. Sono is going full meme (Tokyo Tribe).
>>63689343
I'm a vietfag btw, unless I just woke up in an alternative universe then your statement is nonsense. People only watch popular foreign shit like hollywood blockbuster or movies from other asian countries. They did try and make some horror and action movies but the quality is bad comparing to other countries since there is fuck all money. There are good director that actually making drama but nobody watching their shit and they are usually living abroad.
>>63689278
>
This except id say the jap era doesn't go upto to even 2000 (although I'm not big on horror so maybe my opinion is null, unlike 95% of the board I'm willing to admit that) id say there is at least 10 years between the two era's were neither were really noteworthy.
>>63689750
same guy, also like to add i have no interest in anime sorry.
Most Asian countries still suffer from heavy censorship. They don't release many films per year.
>>63689793
Do you only watch asian porn?
>>63689750
You are missing out. Miyazaki, Takahata, Kon and Oshii are mandatory viewing.
>>63689841
>Asian
You mean Japanese? Because porn production is illegal in the majority of Asian countries.
>>63689193
China/Taiwan/HK has so many acclaimed films and directors but its impossible to find most of the classics in decent quality
>>63689874
You're right. Have you only watched Japanese porn? (Which I guess my first statement is not entirely wrong).
T A I W A N
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>>63689033
7 samurai, ojimbo, kagemusha, and ran are kurosawa's best imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbUxHGfW5s
>>63689033
I mean for older stuff, just start with Kurosawa and Ozu, and just go through some Criterion shit to get going (Kobayashi is the best here). Move onto Yoshida or Matsumoto if you like experimental. New Japanese movies that are worth time are hard to find. Maybe try Love Exposure if you want an easy to watch, but not that great movie (aka all of Sono)
>>63689954
cool stuff. is there Japanese films that are not samurai that are good?
>>63690042
Samurai movies are comparable to Westerns; just a heads up.
Yes, there are a lot of good Japanese non-Samurai movies. start with Ozu.
>>63690042
>how to use google
I think memories of murder is a 5 star film, am I a pleb?
>>63689942
I'm not talking about censorship of pornography. Many Asian countries still suffer from heavy state censorship. China, Vietnam, North Korea obviously, every Muslim country and even India.
>>63690022
ok thanks. i'm sure i'll find something. I saw a Japanese movie once that i really liked. it was a guy who had a brother who was a gang member. he was an ex member and i think they were looking for him. he meets a woman and lives in her house for a few days. ends up falling for her. it was pretty good. I forgot what it was called though.
>>63690108
i'm just asking from you guys.
The best Japanese movies ever mostly came out in the black and white days. There's not that many of them collectively. Even last and this decade, there's still only a small handful, especially compared to the loads of utter shit they keep putting out.
Korea certainly won last decade, but lately (as in the last 4 years or so) they've declined in making great stuff. The last really good movies that came out in Korea lately were A Hard Day and Sea Fog.
Old Jap > Old Korean
New Korean > Old Jap
Plain and simple.
>>63690146
My bad, for some reason I thought you were solely talking about Korean and Japanese for some reason. Of course, Hong Kong and Taiwan are a lot less strict, India is an iffy on censorship (some fairly violent movies have come from there), etc. But you are correct.
>>63690287
>New Korean > Old Jap
My bad, I meant New Korean > New Jap. I'm not retarded.
>>63690287
I feel like there are quite a few smaller films in Japan last decade that deserve more credit. Of course, Korea kinda stole the spotlight for non-horror asian films last decade (and even some of the horror spotlight). I feel people focus to much on Park and Kim on the Korean side and Sono and Miike on the Japanese side too much, when there are a lot of great works from both countries overlooked, and I would still argue Japanese cinema is better than Korean to this day.
>>63690178
Oh shit, for modern Japanese work, try Su-ki-da and Eureka. The former is one of the better films of last decade, and both are slow as fuck.
>>63690431
I feel like korea is still a baby in terms of cinema. didn't they start getting popular until shiri came out?
>>63690511
Yeah, while some great Korean movies came out in the mid 20th century, it wasn't really until, hell the late 90s that Korea came onto the scene. It's odd to compare the two, both do have a lot of similarities (modern Japanese that is). In turn, it's hard to compare the two since it's comparing a country with a hundred year history with film and one with twenty.
>tfw japs too scared to make more good ww2 movies
can't they just admit they're fuckups and their lone accomplishment in the 1900s was fucking china up nice and good, there's still some good stories to tell.
>>63690596
The japs with the soviets had some of the best post-war films period. It's a shame that both counties can't make shit for war films anymore.
>>63690583
exactly. I think both are really different as well. already when you compare their historical films the difference is obvious. I see both as two separate flavors. For me however, Korea is my favorite of the two.
>>63684242
his hand is so tiny,lel.
>>63690431
Smaller Korean films certainly get more recognition from smaller Jap films, but that's just 'cause you have to wade through an onslaught of terrible anime adaptations and LOL2RANDUM4ME Jap movies. At least there's no nonsense like that in Korean movies except for crappy rom-coms.
By the way, what's the name of that Jap movie with the two assassins in the plane listening to music, bobbing their heads? It's a pretty random movie, but it was actually pretty great.
>>63690042
Most of Kurosawa's noir and crime films, like Drunken Angel and High and Low, are great as well.
>>63690926
thanks
>>63690823
>LOL2RANDUM4ME
literally 90% of the time when i see a jap movie.
>>63682139
Japan has been an empire in decline for a while. Shit's free-falling. Must suck to be a Nip
>>63691086
even k-pop surpassed jpop long ago, it's over for the nips all they have is their anime, manga, and meme films along with a dying sexless population.
>>63689242
That's a contradiction in terms. You want Taiwanese and Hong Kong- not China.
>>63689193
Give me five good mainland Chinese movies. And if you think Ip Man is a good movie, kill yourself now.
>>63691256
kpop is pretty good but jrock is good as well. I do agree that kpop is gaining mass popularity each year. shit is catchy.
>>63689909
Give me five good mainland Chinese movies.
>>63682180
>japanese
>film
>>63691374
I have no idea if Jackie Chan and Wong Kar Wai are Hong Kong or mainland, so I ain't saying.
>>63691394
That's because kpop had no qualms with shaking their non-existent asses. I also think Kdramas have dominated the market as well. Koreans are really getting their shit together.
>>63691427
You don't think the live-action adaptation of Attack on Titan is film? Plebian. It will be remembered throughout the ages.
>>63691445
HK/Taiwan is all you need to say
>>63691394
>>63691256
Fun fact, in the year that Kara won best rookie international artist and the Japanese Golden Disc award, SNSD won best domestic artist. Even the nips wants to be koreans.
>>63691458
>Kdramas
damn that stuff is addictive. I feel it's cause they have great songs and themes.
please listen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4QydMJ7mK4&list=PLtmZCmOAwOmugvZaSVm5YUSSi-y9NZCdw&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAEFAUQHoo&index=26&list=PLDA8998C17AC8779A
>>63687149
>ben rivers
Fuck off, retard.
>>63689845
Okay I'll have a look at their filmog, thank you. good to have a good film discussion and rec sesh rather than the regular shit
>>63688431
Why do Koreans make films for man-children?
>>63691803
>Transformers
>Ninja Turtles
>Batman
>Ant Man
Please.
Old school Japanese films are great.
Modern Japanese films are b-tier garbage.
S. Korea is probably the best film makers in the East right now.
>>63691542
I have to give credit to japan for making some good songs and manga. if it wasn't for the manga version of boys over flowers there wouldn't be a Korean drama for it.
>>63691736
Please understand that it's not possible to enjoy the songs you've provided at this time.Just kidding, the second one is wonderful ;-;
who gives a shit tbqh
>>63691960
one of my favorite dramas. Glad you enjoyed it friend.
>>63691821
Your comparing Hollywood drivel to highly acclaimed Korean directors/films. Try again.
