If Luke is the son of Padmé, doesn't that mean he is the rightful heir to the throne of Naboo?
>>63629170
Elected queen. Pay attention fag.
>>63629170
The "queen" is democratically elected.
Naboo people are dumb.
>>63629170
Padme was not Queen when they were born and Naboo's monarchy is elective, not hereditary
>>63629170
Padmé was elected.
Yes, it makes no sense.
Has a "Queen" or even a King ever been ELECTED to the throne in the past? As in, through some kind of presumably democratic fashion? I always thought it was strictly hereditary and then through shear might, otherwise it's, ya know, called something else.
>it's a '12 year olds don't know what an elective monarchy' is thread
No, because Naboo's queen is elected like a president.
>>63629208
Yes. Lots. Rome was an elective monarchy, at least in theory
>>63629208
Some British monarchs have been chosen by parliament, for example William and Mary were invited to take the throne instead of the catholic next in line.
>>63629170
>Luke is the son of Padmé
>>63629194
It does make sense just follow along:
>Naboo is a /tv/ pedo haven that every few years vote on their favourite pedobait shitter in the cunnympics
>>63629208
Heaps and heaps of examples, the thing is most of them eventually transform into hereditary monarchys because niggas want to keep power in their family.
>>63629208
it was a pretty common practice in ancient scandinavian societies
>>63629170
>Hereditary rules for an elected post
I'm not sure what's dumber, you or the fact Lucas said the queen post was elected
Nabooians haven't even researched "hereditary rule" yet. Making them in fact, ludicrously primitive. I bet they traded the gungans for code of laws.
>>63629363
the main civilization of Naboo didn't even have any authority over the gungans. Amidala a shit.
>>63629242
But Julius Caeser got stanbed in the back for being too much like a king, sooo....
>>63629182
>>63629183
>>63629188
>>63629194
>>63629208
A King or Queen or monarch of any sort could still be elected just as any citizen by runing in an election. Their title would be Minister or Member of Parlaiment/Congress whatever. But you can still imagine people would call them King/Queen because that's what they did before they ran for office. That's the only scenario I can think of where it'd make sense. They can have two titles and positions, being Queen but also Prime Minister if the law of Naboo allows it.
>>63629208
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Emperor
>>63629242
Rome was not an elective monarchy. The Latin Monarchy of the early period was hereditary, the Republic was annual elected consulship and the Empire was either inherited by decree of former emperor, or self-appointed by influential Romans.
>>63629329
Elective monarchies existed in real life anon. It's not really something unique.
What was extremely stupid though is that Amidala served terms as a queen. She was basically a U.S. president in space but Lucas wanted more poetry so he made her a queen.
>>63629729
I'm talking about the Roman Kingdoms that preceded the Republic. Yeah it was overthrown because Tarquin Superbus was an asshole but things ran smoothly for centuries. Kings had to be appointed by the assemblies, though there was corruption and conspiracies to get certain people elected
Even the Roman Emperors, despite their absolute power, still had to be recognized by the Senate and bloodline was not a guarantee of succession
>>63629784
Google and Wikipedia are your friends.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elected_monarchy
>>63629833
>what is the interregnum
>what is the curiate assembly
The only King who was not elected by the assembly or popular support was Tarquin the proud
so why elect a 14 year old girl?
>>63629956
Dude are you seriously asking /tv/ that
>>63629956
Naboo people aren't exactly smart.
>>63629329
Sweden didn't have primogeniture succession until like 1530.
>>63629170
His father is the son of a slave scum.
That would destroy all his claims.
Captain Pancake or the Communication Disruption guy probably have better claims than him.
>>63629877
>mobile
>>63629170They didn't marry matrilineally.
>>63629956
These are people who think communications disruption means invasion
>>63630178
They know the planet is blockaded and the communication is disrupted, it's a fucking invasion you fuckwit
>>63629183
why would they elect a teenage girl? it made more sense that she was from a monarchy
>>63630178
I mean. It's a pretty fair bet.
And presumably their communications doesn't just get disrupted willy nilly.
>>63629170
>If Luke is the son of Padmé
Spoiler that shit you cunt.
>>63630211
Because apparently "The Naboo often elected young women, believing they possessed a form of pure, childlike wisdom that the adults lacked.".
I.E. Fucking retards.
>>63630211
Because George was a hack.
He wanted a princess/queen in the PT like he had Leia in the OT. So he made Padme queen. Too bad he thought the queen is an elected official like the US president that serves two terms also.
>>63630249
Literally /tv/ the planet.
>>63630205
They didn't know about the blockade yet, they literally just got technical problems
>>63630249
That just sounds like something the fanboys made up.
>>63630249
How would such a planet ever reach space faring level?
>>63630294
They are humans, they arrived there on spaceships probably thousands of years ago
>>63630294
They were colony of Corellia originally or some shit, dunno if this is still canon.
>>63630294
I would wager they got that tech from the Gungans.
>>63629208
I think there are a few asian countries that still have elected monarchies (although the monarchs are selected by a committee rather than the people at large).
Also weirdly enough upon researching a bit into these countries Nepal is actually controlled by Communists right now.
>>63629729
You know what they say
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
>>63630249
No wonder Sheev became a Sith Lord after growing up in that kind of society.
>>63630294
That reminds me. Humans native planet is Corrosaunt right? Where the species evolved I mean.
From what I saw in the movie, Naboo seemed like a really "spoiled" society where everyone dressed nice, payed attention to art and culture and were xenophobic against Gungan scum because they gave their high society a bad image.
They probably elected a 14 year old as their leader because they thought it would look cute
luke, remember when padme saw no reason to live after giving birth to you? she was a good mother.
>>63630330
He probably just wanted to be king but was passed over for a teenage girl
>>63630414
Kind of hard to draw that conclusion, as we don't see much of the regular Naboo people, just the court folks in the royal palace.
>>63629170
>Sheev didn't completely bombard his home planet to rid the universe of the Gungans
Wow, no references to Dennis the peasant so far.
>>63629170
Naboo has a weird system where some undefined group votes a monarch for a short term from a group of young girls.
Luke wouldn't be eligible from virtue of having a penis.
>>63629208
Ie. Poland for a good amount of time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland
>>63629170
He can't be. He isn't the master of trade negotiations.
>>63631194
Because master Jar Jar wouldn't have it.
>>63630249
Maybe if they'd elected an adult then the entire palpatine plot wouldn't have worked- The Valoorum might have believed a leader that wasn't a 14 year old girl.
>>63631194
The gungans live underwater, they'd be hard to bombard. Not only that, their leadership is on the other side of the planet to the capital.
>>63629194
>Yes, it makes no sense.
Elective monarchies are certainly a thing, but Naboo is unusual in that they're elected to serve a brief term and have the same term limit as the US president. Generally, an elected monarch serves for life, and upon their death, a new election will be held.
I'm not entirely sure why Lucas felt the need to have Padme be a senator in AotC & RotS, there was nothing that demanded she not be queen anymore.
>>63629170
No, but they are rightful members of the Naberrie family, which is a powerful political dynasty among the Naboo.
Do you guys think Sheev cared about his homeplanet after he took his rightful place as Galactic Emperor?
Did he arrange Gungan hunting parties for fun or hunt down his old school bullies?
>>63630283
>They didn't know about the blockade yet
are you fucking retarded
>>63631958
No but the movie is
>>63630249
>Letting George make decisions
its just a movie, retard
>>63631966
Maybe, but so are you if you think Naboo didn't know about the blockade.
>>63632007
What are the indications that naboo knows about the blockade? (before the guy talks about communication disruption, that is)
Or is it simply assumed.
>>63631946
Some of those court guys from rotj seem to be wearing naboo fashion atleast
>>63632029
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. You actually think a space-faring civilization wouldn't know their planet is surrounded by a hostile force? You think they wouldn't notice that all their export/import has stopped? That they can't even leave their own planet?
Never mind the part where Padme was the one who asked the Republic senate for help in the first place.
>>63632064
So you're assuming that they'd know about it.
Then why did they use 'communication disruption' as a sign of invasion when they knew about the invasion already?
Remember, they didn't know about the blockade because of the communication disruption. That's how.
>>63632091
They did know about the blockade you retard, that's why the fucking Jedi came in the first place. They KNEW it was a trade blockade but they didn't think it was an actual invasion yet.
>>63632091
I really hope this is bait. The communication disruption happened after the Jedi arrived, when Sidious commanded them to launch a full-scale invasion. Before that they could still send and receive messages.
Why didn't the federation just maintain the blockade instead of invading?
>>63632159
That would have been more logical, but reasons.
>>63632135
>>63632141
So in effect, it's:
Blockade + Communication disruption = invasion.
However, if the blockade was over the taxation of trade routes, then a communication disruption would be undesired for the trade federation, as it would disrupt negotiations.
Have to assume it's a Sheev thing
>>63632159
Because they attacked the senate's diplomats you idiot. They would have gotten their shit pushed in by the Jedi Order if that got out.
>>63632196
Jesus, you are thick. It's a pretty standard tactic to disrupt your enemy's means of communication before attacking, that way they can't call for help.
>>63632159
Sheev interfered. He wanted an invasion to create a crisis that the Valorum wouldn't believe so to create a political disturbance for Sheev to seize power.
>>63632197
But it did get out and they got their shit pushed in by a kid who knows that spinning is a neat trick
>>63632222
Except that calling for help is exactly what sheev wanted naboo to do
>>63632197
Actually, why DID Sheev order them to attack the jedi?
>>63632197
Invading the planet doesn't change that. As soon as they lost the Jedi they were fucked. They aren't going to comb every square inch of a planet looking for 2 guys.
>>63632238
>But it did get out and they got their shit pushed in by a kid who knows that spinning is a neat trick
Well, that's because they simply got out-skilled. If they had managed to kill Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon no one would have found out.
>>63632238
>Except that calling for help is exactly what sheev wanted naboo to do
No, it isn't. He wanted to the invasion to be legal. He certainly didn't expect the Trade Federation to lose to a bunch retards and a kid, and his apprentice to get rekt by a Padawan.
>>63630249
So they're all literal pedos
That's nice
>>63632159
Why did anything in Phantom Menace happen? Only Sheev had anything to gain.
>>63630349
Yes, Coruscant is the human homeworld and capital of the galaxy; Humans are the most powerful species in the galaxy
I am surprised with all the Nazi and WW2 themes running through prequel trilogy they didn't throw in some xeno holocaust. Guess Jedis will have to do.
>>63632270
Because he'd know that they'd survive being gassed and then escape down to the planet to rescue portman before she signed the treaty and fly to the senate THROUGH THE BLOCKADE and then the king of coruscant would not believe the very people he sent to settle the trade dispute which would cause princess amigdala to call a vote of no confidence in the valorum etc.
>>63632303
>Sheev wanted the invasion to be legal
If it was legal then his plan to seize power of the senate wouldn't have worked, since if it was legal then the senate could not interfere.
>>63632270
Because the Jedi would have forced to them to lift the blockade.
>>63632273
>They aren't going to comb every square inch of a planet looking for 2 guys.
Why not? They have an infinite army of tireless robots and the Jedi can't leave the planet due to the blockade.
>>63632316
Well a lot of Siths were non-human.
>>63632329
>the Jedi can't leave the planet due to the blockade.
Except they did
>>63632320
>If it was legal then his plan to seize power of the senate wouldn't have worked, since if it was legal then the senate could not interfere.
No, he planned to use the crisis to become Chancelor, then use his power to make it legal. He even says " I will make it legal."
>prequels
jesus fuck why is this thread happening?
>>63632329
Actually it'd be pretty easy to find the jedi since the what's wrong with your face alien knew that the jedi were in the ventilation shaft
>>63632357
But how would he become chancellor if the invasion was legal?
>>63629208
The Pope
>>63632316
Ah, but didn't you notice that the Empire was only white human men? No ayliums, niggers, and women allowed.
>>63632320
>>63632329
Ahh fuck it, I'll just have to watch the Plinkett review again. I saw the Phantom Menace again a couple of weeks ago and the plot made zero sense to me.
How did the Trade Federation get involves with Sheev in the first place?
Did they just have talks about trade n shit and then this dark robe clad figure comes up and says yo start a blockade?
>>63632347
That's just a fuck up on the part of the Federation. I don't know why Sheev worked with these retards.
>>63632366
News about it would have eventually leaked, I suppose. IDK, it's not like he ever explained his plan. He was just exploiting the Federation.
>>63632424
Well, his Sith master was a super-rich alien banker. He probably started the whole thing.
>>63632424
>That's just a fuck up on the part of the Federation.
A fuck up?
They were shooting the ship. If they'd managed to sneak past the blockade the fuckup would have made sense but they were getting shot at quite heavily. They were losing droids fast, remember.
Does Luke hate sand as much as his dad did?
How come Sith are so powerful if they have day jobs?
Like, Sheev was a senator, Plagueis was a banker, even Vader was a general which ate a lot of his time. While Jedis are full time Jedi and can train a lot and shit.
Is the dark side just really powerful or are they all very exceptional individuals?
>>63632474
He probably hated when he learned that his family had been murdered and set on fire more than the sand.
While Anakin hated when his mother was kidnapped by sand people after he left her behind there.
>>63632456
Then it was luck/fate/the Force.
>>63632486
The Sith follow survival of the fittest doctrine. The only was a student can "graduate" is if he can kill his master, while the Jedi will train almost anyone with force potential. It's quality over quantity.
>>63632486
im pretty sure the entire point is they're equal in power but sith can get there faster which is why people fall for it
>>63632486
Yoda spells it out for you in ESB. Dark side is just a fast route to gains many consider unnatural.
>>63632564
Does this mean that sith die of heart attacks?
the fast route to gains
>>63632564
>>63632540
But you still have to train with lightsaber and do other stuff that's not directly proportional to how strong are you in the force.
>>63632535
This is actually a good point. Based EU.
>>63632580
Sith learn to shoot lightning for a reason.
>>63632564
>Dark side is just a fast route to gains many consider unnatural
>>63633114
Dat synthol
>>63630268
kek
Naboo blew up. So it doesn't matter. Also elected monarchy.
>>63629260
I could see /tv/ voting for Herschlag to rule over it.
>>63634598
I'd have voted for kiera knightly over portman
>>63634230
>Naboo blew up
that was alderaan
