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holy fuck this is worse than power rangers
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holy fuck

this is worse than power rangers
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>>63531344
watched episode 1 and part of 2 yesterday and called it quits. i think i made the right move
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thank fuck I never even started it.

there was no way it was going to be good, why are people so dumb?
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The only good things about this show so far is the black asshole and calista flockhart auditioning for the devil wears prada.
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>>63531344
hola reddit
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He kinda looks like a red Ivan Ooze.
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>>63531344
KEK IS THIS REAL LIFE
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Do they end up having sex?

That hand trick could be interesting.
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>>63531344
DC.ucks will defend this
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what do tv shows on The WB have such atrocious effects?
It seems to be all of them
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>>63531410

You mean the black asshole that is secretly Martian Manhunter?

And no, Calista Flockhart is fucking terrible, I wish Supergirl would slam her against a wall so she'd shatter like the Nazi in Last Crusade, she's an even worse casting choice than Jimmy.
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>>63531344
Indians now make capeshit too?
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>>63531481

>what do tv shows on The WB have such atrocious effects?

This is CBS though, CW stuff looks way better, and this show apparently has a higher budget, the first episode cost them 14 million dollars and looks like SHIT.
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>>63531489
Who do you think is a better actor than her right now on this mediocre show?
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>>63531481
Supergirl is on CBS
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>>63531515
a tv show made 22 years ago with amigas and video toasters had better effects than shows today
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>>63531535

I like B5's special effects, even now. Pleb and proud
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>>63531344
At least she's qt as fuck
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>>63531524

Being a better mediocre actor than everyone else doesn't make you good, nor is her character interesting or engaging, she sounds like she's on lithium most of the time.
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>>63531576

In Whiplash? post pics or be named a liar, Bootstrap Bill.

you can't
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>>63531344
what is this?
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I have been disappointed so far. Plus they put it up against Gotham. And I really like Gotham so I have to watch SG a day or so later on the website.

The show puts feminist so front and center that I think it takes away from the show. Obviously Supergirl can't be exactly like Arrow or Flash. But it is so off the rails in terms of being a superhero show.

And I have no problem with shows trying to be more diverse with the casting. But this show is ridiculous. I *hate* when movies/shows replace a white character with a black one. It is borderline demeaning. They are so incredibly lazy when shows do that. Are there any regular good white men on that show? I'm black and I think that is so fucking stupid.

/blog
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>>63531621
>In Whiplash?
In supergirl, dumbass.
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>>63531344
kek
what am i looking at?
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>>63531558
>>63531535
only thing it failed at were digital mattes of cityscapes and the hollow interior
that should have been traditional paintings, or even model

everything in space still stands up

Optic Nerve Studios prosthetics was on par with some of the work of Baker, Botin, Winston, Woodruff
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>>63531636
>Are there any regular good white men on that show?

Maxwell Lord is a successful white billionaire who shits on Supergirl any chance he gets and has chemistry with the sister, odds are they'll bang before the end of the season.
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>>63531418
Realer than real life
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>>63531650

It's a TV series not a movie, which is what you said in >>63531576
you can understand my confusion. and uh, Winslow's a love interest too I guess...lol
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>>63531636
>webm

I fucking hate how she always has to pose when flying or using any of her powers. Also, can her sister finish teaching her how to fight so she stops throwing punches and kicks like a pro wrestler? She telegraphs shit more than Samuel Morse.
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>>63531697
>Winslow
Who is it?
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Making Jimmy black is the stupidest shit ever.

They had a new character who they could have made black. Why not make her nerdy friend black and leave Jimmy white?
Oh wait, it's because she HAS to have a black love interest.
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>>63531726
>>63531724

>They had a new character who they could have made black.

He's not a new character, that's Winslow
Schlott the Toyman
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>>63531726
You do realize Jimmy isn't going to be her love interest right?

It's basically a romcom. She always ends up with her "true love" which in this case is the nerdy, white guy.
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>>63531344
For a second I thought it was a cutscene from a video game.
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>>63531771
Fair point, I didn't pick up on his last name in the series.

>>63531780
She is totally going to end up with the black guy. Or come out as a lesbian and end up with her adoptive sister.
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>>63531576
>in the movie
There is a super-girl movie too now?
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>>63531817
>Or come out as a lesbian and end up with her adoptive sister.

Fingers crossed.
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>>63531726
Everything is BLACKED on tv right now senpai
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>>63531413
>like something
>reddit
>hate something
>reddit

Where does it end?
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>>63531822

Nah the pic is from Whiplash, guy meant to say series, not movie.
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>>63531849
Into the Badlands is asian guy on black girl.
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>>63531677
>Maxwell Lord is a successful white billionaire who shits on Supergirl any chance he gets and has chemistry with the sister, odds are they'll bang before the end of the season.
Yeah, but isn't he (historically) a mentally-abled bad guy? Or maybe he is an anti-hero? I know he is against aliens in the comics. But I think in one universe he also establishes a group of superheroes. I could be talking out of my ass on that. But on the show they are making him out to be a villain.

>>63531717
>I fucking hate how she always has to pose when flying or using any of her powers.
I think that is just the "campy-ness" of superhero shows. I think you are always going to have that. I have to say that it is a lot more noticeable to me on Supergirl when she is hovering. They have her looking awkward IMO while in the air...and the hovering look sort of fake to me.

>can her sister finish teaching her how to fight so she stops throwing punches and kicks like a pro wrestler?
I don't understand the training. Why the hell isn't Supes handling it. That is another issue I have with the show. He only other living relative never seems to visit of communicate with her. Why isn't he mentoring her? I understand licensing issues...but it is so stupid to me.
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>>63531771
He's actually his kid. He mentions that his dad is a horrible person and is in jail.
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>>63531909
>never communicates with her

But he DM'd her <;@)
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oh my fucking god I'm dying
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>>63531909
>HER only other living relative never seems to visit OR communicate with her.
muh english
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>>63531956
>But he DM'd her <;@)
That rustled my jimmies...more than it should have.

This show...
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>>63531344
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAH
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>>63532049
He's just too god damn big to be Jimmy Olsen.
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>>63532062

For you.
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>>63531636
>>63531909
>>63532038
how angry is she on a scale 1-10?
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>>63532073

Payless didn't have the shoes in the size she wanted mad
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>>63531909
Those youtube guys that do the fights and destroy the house, ragga something do special effects better than this.
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>>63531636
so i heard you like lense flare
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>>63532073
>how angry is she on a scale 1-10?
According to the episode, she isn't allowed to get angry because she is a woman.

And then she uses a car as a punching bag to work out her frustrations. Which was hilarious to me.
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>>63531344
Holy shit this is impossible bad. I am at a loss for fucking words
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>>63531344
is that supposed to be Red Tornado? What the actual fuck
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Someone post the webms from other threads
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>>63531344
Legit thought this was a fan made version of Vision from Avengers 2.
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No guys you don't understand all the budget went into 3 seconds of J'onn
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>>63532216
i couldn't tell if this was the look they were going for or if it was just bad costume design. The thing is suposed to be an android but every part of it looks robotic except from the face.

Either way it just comes off as something you would see in a bad sci fi flick decades ago.
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>>63532229
Pretty much this. At least they didn't fuck up based MM.
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>>63532158
>Those youtube guys that do the fights and destroy the house, ragga something do special effects better than this.
The effects don't bother as much as other folks. My biggest issue is when they are hovering (there was a fight SG had with her aunt in one of the earlier episodes that looked bad IMO). But then again I don't mind the effects on The Flash. So maybe I'm not the right person to judge the look of special effects.

I do remember watching a couple of videos by an asian guy a couple of years ago. One of the videos was really cool...they were having a gun fight. But the guns were shooting seeds??? When the bullets landed they turned into flowers. It was the weirdest thing I had seen in a while. I'll have to check out the Ragga guy.
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>>63531344
>those explosions
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>>63532258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7rrdzPOdk
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>>63531344
Is that Apocalypse?
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>>63531344
HAHAHAAHAHA
DC TV SHOWS ARE FUCKING AWFUL
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>>63531344
Who the fuck is that nigger?
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>>63531344
Is Josh Trank getting work again?
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>female superhero
>is thin and flabby

Imagine if Superman had the body of an early 20s skinnyfat college kid
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>>63531391

It has a female superhero lead.
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>>63532209
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>>63532562
how did this make it to air
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>>63532496
He does though. At least in all the non-body-double shots.
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>>63532625

Someone say air?
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>>63532663
>charge someone at super speed but slow down to normal speed before hitting them
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>>63532062
This.

I don't care that he's black, but there's a difference between Steve Urkel and Black Zeus.

Donald Glover could have pulled it off.
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>>63532697
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>>63531344
>show called supergirl
maybe you expect something like jodorowsky's philosophy?
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>>63532737
>Not hurt at all

Honestly is there even a point in trying
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>that webm
Dear god.. This is horrible
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>>63532759

>I rape them...but with love
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>>63532663
Do you have the one where she's supposed to create a crater but it's just an elevated bed?
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>>63531344
Jesus christ.... the comments on this video
kekolding has gone mainstream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KuqKlyqX0
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>>63532775

Just a minute
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Did she get BLACKED yet?
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>>63532774
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>>63532774
OH COME ON!
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>>63532737
>the way the dust disappears after her impact

Thank you stock effects.
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Fucking UPN tier.
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>>63531344

>Not Muh Red Tornado!
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>>63532834
>>63532864
ayyy
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>>63532298
That fight between her and her aunt was so fucking bad.

It looked like they were just hanging on wires and someone was swinging them into eachother like a kid playing with action figures.
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>>63532903
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>>63532864
lmfao what the fuck
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>>63532562
>Elevator cable
>Can't even hold up one guy
Each of those cables is capable of holding the elevator on it's own.
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>>63532864
bretty gud
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>>63532937

Was damaged by an earthquake or some shit.
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>>63531344
This is the worst shit I've ever seen in my life. And this costume makes me feel terrible, it looks so incredibly cratchy and uncomfortable, I just want to die looking at it. Also so fucking cheap.

I can't believe people watch this shit or Flash or any other show like this.

Incredible.
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>>63532735
Basically this.

It's like they designed him around the fact that they already had a nerdy male character and went way the fuck overboard trying to avoid redundancy.
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>>63532864
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Guys please don't tell me you actually waste your time on watching this crap with CGI from early 00s, social progressiveness from future 50s and acting from German straight to tv movies.
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>>63532663
AHAHAHAHAHA
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>>63533055

I just skim through episodes looking for things to webm, mostly Supergirl getting beat up or maybe wearing a sexy outfit, plus these webms have saved lives/viewing time that could be used elsewhere.
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>>63531481
its not the effects, which are functional. Its the super girls actresses shitty combat acting. Looks like limp flailing
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>>63531344
lol people said this is better than arrow or flash? I'm not seeing it. Looks worse even with a bigger budget.
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>>63532921
This clip by itself isn't so bad.
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>>63533117
who the fuck said that?
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>>63533137

A disgusting contrarian. This is how CBS does a tornado with their super budget.
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Why is Red Tornado a baddie?
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>>63533162
Why didn't she just blow it away? Wtf was she even doing?
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>>63533162
literally what?
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>>63533163

Well he was built by an evil scientist but yes he's usually a hero

>>63533180

Reversing its rotation to dispel it, speaking of, here's how the CW does their version.
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>>63533057
i honestly expected a blacked logo to fade in the corner there, holy shit
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>>63531515
>CW stuff looks way better

No, it's the same level. I thought the wind effect was the exact same as the flash when i saw that.
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>>63533208
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>>63533162
>>63533208
>two tornados in two DC tv shows both solved by going really fast the opposite
BRAV FUCKING O
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>>63533162
>>63533208
see, I dont think the difference here is budget of sfx. Its direction and acting and editing
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>>63533057
ahahahahah
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>>63531856
It doesn't end, were all reddt, every one of us, every opinion you or anyone could possibly have or ever have is exclusively reddit.
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>>63533255

Yeah the CW version has better presentation and visual cues, Supergirl just blends into the dull greyness of the tornado and there's no effort to make her stand out.
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>>63531344
DC should just stop making TV shows of their IPs
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Hey guys, there is always S2, right?
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why is she always getting fucked up ?
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>>63533495

is there?

>>63533500

She's a newbie.
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>>63533219
I disagree.

CW, even for a worst budget, seems like they actually give a shit.
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Supergirl is cute! Cute!
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>>63533709

she aight
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yeah, ok

but what about her feet?
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>>63533795

Her fappening pics should have some
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>>63531856

On reddit
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>>63533057

>glass wall
>glass door
>it takes a person coming in to get startled
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>women try to do action and fail miserably
>oh by the way this character is black now
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>97% on rotten tomatoes
HOW, JUST HOW
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>>63533855
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>>63531515
>CW stuff looks way better

no
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>>63533949
because serious reviewers won't even bother with it
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>>63531344
What video game is this?
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>>63531344
If they're gonna have shit special effects they should at least make the fights feel really energetic. The shows stuff like Power Rangers takes footage from are at least enjoyable because of that, that webm doesn't only look like shit it also looks incredibly slow and boring.
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>>63531439
you mean the spinning?
that's a good trick indeed
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>>63533106
>Black
>Transforms into alien
>Still looks like black man
Why?
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W-why does Red Tornado have a badly painted face when the top half is latex? Why is his armor made out of FABRIC??

I... what. the. hell.
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I like how she's called Supergirl and not Superwoman. Calling women "girls" is a trigger for some.
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Why almost all actors in recent superhero series looks like shit? They almost ugly at times.
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>>63533949
>Actual reviewers won't touch it
>You run the risk of being called a misogynist because "muh female super hero"
pick one or both
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>>63532562
Where did the costume come from
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>>63531344
The worst part is adults watch this shit unironically
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>>63533949
Nowadays reviewers only care if it caters to their political beliefs. If it does it's fresh, if it doesn't it's rotten.

Imdb is better than RT desu.
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>>63531909
>>63531636

man that fucking laser feels so limp dicked compared to her expression
it should be 3x thicker, spazzing out left and right like that new lightsaber
it should be the focus of the shot, not an after thought

>>63532038

at least it looks better here
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g-guys...pls...
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It's a show made for kids.
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>>63531344
this is fucked
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>>63534625
No it's not.
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>>63533949
people have to watch it to review it
a lot of shows and old movies suffer from this on RT
if actual reviewers dont touch it it will stay high, and this show is way too obscure to attract attention from anybody interested on good cinema
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>>63534625
No, it isn't and even that doesn't justify this
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>>63532737
>they just walk up to her and grab her arms
lmao what
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>>63532663
worse thing ever
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>>63534335

We're all secretly martians.

Also Live Wire is best girl
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>>63534625
No it isn't. It's targeted for adults. I didn't watch this one but the other super hero show has a hardcore interracial scene in it, I can assume there are sex scenes in this one too.
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>>63533949
RT sucks in general but it's fucking worthless for TV shows
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I want to hate this, but everytime she's in costume she's so goshdarn cute, also them thick white thighs make me my dick hard.
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>>63532742
it is embarrassing
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>>63532515
exactly, there was no chance it was going to be good
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is this show 95% shitty cgi?
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>>63534889
> that moisture effect on the camera
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>>63534790
You be wrong.
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>>63532038

that's pretty hot
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>>63534956
its 2015 you racist fuck
let your woman have some bbc so we can end racism and have more diversity
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Genuinely curious, what is the target audience of capeshit?
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>>63535099
what the fuck is going on in the top left with whor?
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>>63532774

is that guy a hologram? then why are his clothes affected by wind?
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>>63535143
what, Thor cant have some of that bbc?
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>>63535143
Its 2015, Thor is now a tranny, next avengers movie he will be played by a girl.
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>>63532774
It's like fucking Power Rangers
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>>63535349

Power Rangers has better costumes and choreography these days, seriously.
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>>63531344
Jesus christ.
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>>63535143
Thor is now Jane Foster, and she left Odinson(old Thor) for Sam Wilson(old Falcon, now Captain America).
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>>63531344
hahahahahah ahahahahaha
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>>63531344

Wait, that's the attack Wham does in JOJO what the fuck.
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>>63534703
>a lot of shows and old movies suffer from this on RT

I'd say it's the opposite with movies. Older ones have a way less bloated score thanks to the requirements to being considered a professional reviewer being harsher. Now just about any slightly ok movie ends up in the 80-100% range thanks to dipshit bloggers along the lines of this guy being accepted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6U0GN53Xo0
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>>63532977
Well...hello boner
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>>63535650

you like that, eh? She makes the best faces.
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Hurricane hands is underrated form of attack
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>>63535708
fuck, I think I'm picking this show up
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>>63535748

Don't you fucking dare..
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>>63535834
I don't know dude, I love girls getting beat up and choked, how is this not a show for me? While I don't love the kucking, it may be a fun ride.
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what is supergirls backstory again?
is she from krypton?

supergirl was the first gender crossover to appeal to a new market. nobody complained because she wasnt replacing supermans identity
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>>63536089

Her new origin is she was supposed to take care of clark who she was older than at the time of Krypton's destruction, but her pod got knocked off course so when she reached Earth Clark had matured faster.
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>>63532663
Honestly all things considering this looks pretty good. The fact that it's 95% practical helps overcome the logic gaps. The other things in this thread look like shit though.
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>>63531576
How is this anything but a good thing?
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>>63531909
>I know he is against aliens in the comics. But I think in one universe he also establishes a group of superheroes. I could be talking out of my ass on that. But on the show they are making him out to be a villain.

He was funding the Justice League but was actually a bad guy. Blue Beetle found out so Max shot him and used his power of a kind of mind control to make everyone think he commited suicide.
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>>63534393
They go on about that a few times.
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>>63536422
Yes
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>>63536191
Was that Superman cominng to rescue her?
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>>63535595
>I just love the Civil War story line
>The Punisher, Spider-man, the Mutant side of it.
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>>63536619
Yes.
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Isn't she supposed to be as strong as Superman? Why is everything kicking her ass?
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>>63531344
Jesus Christ. Even fucking Kamen Rider is better.
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>>63536694
I'm so sick of this damsel in distress trope.
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>>63536694
I thought they were supposed to have the same powers, so why is he immune to force lightning?
What kind of dramatic writing can survive a superman/girl protagonist in the first place?
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>>63533057
BLACKED
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>>63536797
Honestly, I think eventually even the most raging fan will say "wait, this is shit" and start buying other comics/media that isn't full of this bullshit. At least I hope that's the case.
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>>63531344
I watched that gif 4 times already. I cant understand how this exists. I'm getting out of touch or im losing my grip but i cant fathom how they can show that cheesy crap on Prime TV
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> she sounds like she's on lithium

What does "being on lithium" sound like?
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>>63536761
>You wanna watch it for the BBC.

white girl with black guy?! Pffff... How boring and no longer the cutting edge of shoving ones PC agenda in a viewers face. No you need to switch over to Arrow now where the black guy is married to the tiny twink size white guy.

Being every media couple is now white + black, of course.. Even Jessica Biel's new film has her getting blacked.
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>>63537035
>how none of them ever go "it's never a asian male, arab or indian"
A real fan would have a problem with a character's race being change, to black or any other race. These fans, these beta males won't complain if they make johnny storm black, or any other race, why would they complain if they're getting what they want? The problem, I think, is that changing a character's gender or race is actually incredibly racist, because it implies that you can't make a new character of said race because it won't sell well.
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>>63534481
Women have built in pockets
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>>63537103
It sounds like when you start charging your cellphone....like "beep"
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>>63531909

you could fit like AT LEAST 5 cocks into that mouth
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>>63531535
Some of the battles are Return of the Jedi tier.

The Shadows still look cool as fuck, especially the way they move. The shot of the Whitestar skimming over Mars still gives me an erection.
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>>63534978
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>>63533110
>its not the effects,
lol
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>>63533709
But Smallville's version was sexy...
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>>63531834
Supergirl should spread for the sisterhood. Its the right thing to do.
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What Asylum flick is this from?
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>>63531481
Dude, Flash's effects are pretty fucking good for a tv show.

Can't vouch for Arrow.
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>>63537045
>gif

get with the times grandpa
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>>63531344

The Washington Post just names it the 7th best series of 2015. They also put Master of none at number 4.
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>>63537483
Its amazing how shitty 2015 has been for television.
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>>63532737

GODDAMN, they literally just stuck black tape and grey foam on the ground for effects.
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>>63532737
>Completely unharmed by being smashed into concrete from the sky
>Oh no they grabbed my arms, guess it's game over
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TORNADO HOLD
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>>63532774
>first punch didn't even connect
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>>63534777
what the fuck
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My grandma watches this show to laugh at the bad effects and weird acting
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>>63534447
>>63534538
>Nowadays reviewers only care if it caters to their political beliefs.

Is there even political agenda pushing in the show besides turning Jimmy black?
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>>63532834
>>63532864

>those girly punches

My sides
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>>63533057
Why does Jimmy look like a 40 year old retired NBA player who got into weightlifting
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>>63532774
lel wtf is this shit?!
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>>63531344
>this is worse than power rangers
>>63534040

>>63535349
>t's like fucking Power Rangers

What was the last season you did see??
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>>63532864

Oh god it's like those old MSPaint eye beam gifs
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>>63531344
And yet oddly enough, it's still better than the Flash.
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>>63531344
>already stealing flashs moves
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>you know I never really noticed Clark having to get his rage on
>well because hes a man, girls are taught to smile and keep it on the inside
>well its not like black men are encouraged to be angry in public

now THIS is tumblr
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>>63531489
>You mean the black asshole that is secretly Martian Manhunter?

They turned Cyborg Superman black, then made him Martian Manhunter. What the FUCK?
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>>63542039
It's why I dropped the show. I gave them 6 episodes to fuck off with Tumblr shit. If you want to make a female Superhero, do it. Don't constantly tell us how she's female. You don't see Arrow going around saying "I can do this because I'm a MAN!" No they show that he can do shit.
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>>63534243
God damn it all to hell
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>>63541894
>And yet oddly enough, it's still better than the Flash.
Not even close
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>>63531515
14 million are you fucking serious? It's so bad I can't believe it. These effects are like "The Asylum" tier and they use far less for their crap.
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>>63533542
I think the reason the CW shows look better is because they use way less special effects than Supergirl. It doesn't look as bad when you don't rely on it much.
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>>63538164
>Is there even political agenda pushing in the show besides turning Jimmy black?
The show throws "girl power" around every 10 minutes or so. Every goddamn episode.
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>>63533106
honestly this wasnt that bad, and its Martian Manhunter if anyone is wondering
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>>63542172
Flash is full on retarded.
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>>63542376
as stupid as that is, it is still better than Supergirl.

also, showing the absolute dumbest thing in 2 seasons as proof isn't much of an argument.
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>>63531344
>embrace the sillyness
>TOO STUPID AND CHEAP!
>make it realistic
>IT'S CAPESHIT IT'S SUPPOSE TO LOOK SILLY!

fuck you all
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>>63542376
That's actually possible, you retards don't know how to lasers.
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>>63531344
Watched one episode and knew it would never be worth it.

You know what's funny? Flash shits on this show in every possible way, including CGI, and they have a fraction of the budget on a network with a fraction of the views.

I can't believe how hard CBS tried to shill this show on /co/ last episode, too.

>HOLY FUK GUIZE MARTIAN MANHUNTER EVERY1 WATCH DA SHO NAO K?
>OMG DA JONN AW YIS SO GUD PLS WATCH NAO PIK IT UP
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>>63531909
She looks like she could swallow a big fucking cock.
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