It was shit
- Home
- Board: /tv/ - Television & Film
- Reading: It was shit
It was shit
>>63468018
Maybe you should go back to Yugioh then.
/a/ here, it's shit
It kinda was, cool animation though
>>63468018
Horrible nip cartoon. A live action American rendition with white actors would be far superior.
shit visuals, shit music, shit characters, shit story
tell me how this is regarded as the best anime of all time?
>>63468018
Lol no
>>63468018
The manga was superb, the anime was sub par.
>>63468110
Good animation for its time
>>63468131
ive seen better
>>63468018
animes that compress the story of a really long manga always end up getting overrated by weeaboos. a lot of people cite Nausicca as the best Miyazaki, too. it's something to do with how overstuffed with ideas they end up being, it gives them a distinct tone.
>>63468110
Great imagination, beautiful animation, new and fascinating vision.
I saw this on film last year, and also recently acquired the bluray. Gotta say, from a technical standpoint Akira is fucking amazing. I cannot think of another animated film that can pull you in on its sound design alone. "Akira reds" look so vivid, there isn't a better looking animated film to come out of Japan, ever actually.
The story is extremely overrated tho, and the characters uninteresting. But I found the setting to be really good.
Memories is also really good.
>>63468110
The visuals and music are excellent, it's the story that people usually complain about.
>>63468131
"For its time" implies it no longer is good animation, which is not true.
When I was younger I thought all anime is about robots and cyberpunk. tfw most of it is garbage for pedophiles.
>>63468192
Sure, the animation is still good, just not top-tier.
>>63468110
>tell me how this is regarded as the best anime of all time?
It's not. That would be Neon Genesis Evangelion
>>63468182
>Memories is also really good.
Well the first two parts are. The third was quite a let down, even if not awful.
>>63468214
What would be top tier then, genuine question. I haven't seen anything surpassing Akira's.
TETSURO!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>63468182
Akira gets so much shit for it's story. How is it overrated?
>>63468211
Stop whining about this. It's about what sells in Japan.
>>63468018
Take it to /a/
>>63468256
It's Tetsuo, faggot
>>63468182
Memories suffers from the same. Animes are like videogames, if the gameplay/graphics (animation) are good then the story MUST be shit. Only way to enjoy anime is to accept that. Some ghibli films are the exception.
>>63468211
I'm not aware of even a single anime meant for pedophiles.
>>63468293
>if the gameplay/graphics (animation) are good then the story MUST be shit.
No.
>>63468293
Story isn't that important in film anyway.
>>63468340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnd1wSIyN-g
>>63468260
its kinda a mess, after tetsuos experimented on his visions start to lose people also the reason for him losing his mind are lost on a bunch of people
the random movement of people with the priest/ess? that follow him around calling him akira, when akira was supposed to be top secret right?
also the concept of becoming an amoeba was kinda of strange way of explaining his loss of power and keis monologue wasnt very good at explaining it
tl;dr- overall the manga being compacted is why everyone berates the film for having an overrated story that was condensed to mush
>>63468392
This. In fact the best films have little of what plebs look for or think makes a good film - plot, character development and so on.
>>63468495
K-On isn't a story-driven show. It doesn't even have a plot.
>>63468564
So it's patrician?
>>63468541
This guy seems to agree.
>>63468564
It's an example of anime for pedophiles.
>>63468597
Nah, Kodomo no Jikan would be a proper example of a series aimed at pedophiles
>>63468597
Ain't the girls 15-18?
>>63468585
Film is ultimately a visual medium. The best kinds of films are the ones that integrate the visuals with the plot, and the soundtrack. Apocalypse Now immediately springs to mind when it comes to an almost perfect union. So when folks in here say that the visuals in AKIRA should trump the fact that the plot is kind of here and there, that's what they're talking about.
>>63468645
Yes, but they don't act or look like teenagers.
>>63468597
Huh? The characters are in high school, and even if they were in elementary school it still wouldn't have anything to do with pedophilia because the mere existence of the characters doesnt' somehow make them inherently "pedophilic," and if you think otherwise it just means you're a pedophile. And even if they were being ravaged by tentacle demons in every episode, it still wouldn't be pedophilic. Because anime characters are not real, and are not modeled after real people.
>>63468644
That's not a valid example either.
>>63468677
They aren't supposed to act or look like real teenagers. You thinking that this somehow makes them prepubescent children just means you have mental issues.
>>63468680
>and are not modeled after real people
Of course they are.
>>63468705
No, they are not. You are trying to apply the logic of Western fiction where it doesn't belong.
>>63468698
>defending pedophiles
You know there is no difference in Japanese language between lolicon and pedophile?
>>63468018
Back to /v/, cocksucker
>>63468731
I never defended pedophiles, and it makes no difference even if lolicon has both meanings in Japan. It's like arguing that The Simpsons is anime because in Japan anime is synonymous with anime.
>>63468747
Akira is an anime, genius.
>>63468731
In the English language there's no difference between whore and your mother
so much better
It's a work of art even if it's ultimately a lacking adaption of it's source material.
>>63468768
In lolicon magazines there are anti-pedophilic ads. I wonder why.
>>63468792
Well no not really. That movie seriously didn't need to be filmed the way it was, and I think in the long run people will find it did more harm than good. It left a lot of room for real wonderful shots that cannot be done when it's supposed to be POV shit.
>>63468792
Only similarity is the powers. Other than that it's shit.
>>63468110
It's the blade runner of anime f@m
>>63468797
Most likely placed there just to appease critics.
If someone is into kids they can just go buy junior idol DVDs. And until very recently it was legal to possess CP.
>>63468851
That would be GitS.
>>63468157
>Great imagination
What? Asian characters with special power? Truly imaginative.
>beautiful animation
It's dirty and shoddy looking
>fascinating vision
How do you come to this conclusion?
>>63468768
It's /v/ retards who got laughed out of /a/ who start anime threads on here.
>>63468223
Evangelion is a meme.
Akira is far superior, but in my opinion it's on par with GITS and both aren't as good as Ninja Scroll.
But ITT: Teenage faggots who have no taste at all.
>>63468867
>It's dirty and shoddy looking
It's called film grain. I guess you're too young to be familiar with that.
>>63468890
This is nothing more than a meme.
>>63468858
>junior idol DVDs
It's disgusting but they aren't even naked in these videos. It's not comparable to lolicon porn.
>>63468897
NGE becomes great wen you realize the everything after the finale was done just so he creator could piss off weebs
GOAT song though. That opening scene is fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5r8ONtacw
>>63468920
Nothing wrong with film grain actually. I love film grain, this just looked ugly as fuck.
The Animatrix looked better than this shit.
>>63468925
They are real kids. 2D characters are 100 % fictional and intentionally designed to not look like real children.
So what you're saying is that you find pedophilia more tolerable than being attracted to imaginary characters.
>>63468851
That's Ghost in the Shell.
>>63468867
>What? Asian characters with special power? Truly imaginative.
What an utterly gross simplification. The worn down "school" the youths go to, the scene where Tetsuo falls to the ground and his intestines spill out, he tries to pick them up but the next shot they aren't there. In his dream when the shadow is over his body his body begins to break down. The fucking hospital scene when the kids are fucking with him.
>It's dirty and shoddy looking
The film grain?
>>63468968
Those imaginary characters represent children.
>>63468956
The soundtrack is fucking fantastic. Those drums are just MMMMM.
>>63468970
>>What? Asian characters with special power? Truly imaginative.
>What an utterly gross simplification.
It's not imaginative.
>>It's dirty and shoddy looking
>The film grain?
No, the shitty animation. I like my film grain with good animation.
>>63468928
More like he ran out of money.
>>63468564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnaRtNMGMI
>>63468988
The soundtrack was lacklustre and lacked anything substantive. There was no powerful sound to it whatsoever. The minimalist drums were shit.
>>63468956
agreed desu senpai
>>63468928
I'll give you that.
NGE was great, but for the real nigs who grew up with the first wave of badass anime to hit American shores, like Akira, GitS, Ninja Scroll, Patlabor, Fist of the North Star, Vampire Hunter D, etc. it felt like the new shit that was already starting to meme-ify itself and implode on its own cultural quirks.
Evangelion will always be a classic especially for you younger cunts, though, and who could hate that Frank Sinatra cover credits song? My god.
>>63468729
>characters in Japanese media aren't based on people the writer knows
holy shit dude yeah America is literally the only place where that kind of approach to writing characters comes from, that totally fucking makes sense
>>63468998
>It's not imaginative.
Give me one film/manga series before 1980/1988 that did "absolute power corrupts absolutely" on this scale.
And nice job ignoring the rest of my post.
>No, the shitty animation. I like my film grain with good animation.
What did you have issue with specifically? I'm a tad confused here. What is your yardstick for shitty animation, there's a reason AKRIA is lauded as a landmark in animation. You're kind of going against the grain here.
>>63468998
>it's not imaginative
Can you name some films with scenes similar to Tetsuo's transformation?
The best.
>>63469018
I'm not so sure. If you look at Otomo's contemporaries ala Miyazaki who utilized a full orchestra, the soundtrack choice of AKIRA was unprecedented and worked very well in establishing the mood it does. That opening theme, Kaneda, is high strung and works wonders for the motorcycle scene.
>>63469053
Lucy actually. That scene was disgustingly grotesque and unaesthetic.
>>63469018
This is the worst opinion on the internet. Do not reply to this poster. Do not read this post. Do not attempt to interpret or internalize this opinion as it will give you cancer and destroy your soul.
>lackluster and lacked
ayyy lackey just jack yer jaw there
>>63468965
>I love film grain
Who do you think you're fooling?
>>63468987
They specifically do not. They are fantasy characters. This same thing applies to teenage characters. They also do not represent real teenagers. They are unrealistic on purpose.
>>63469046
America is not Japan. Americans, and Westerners at large, have a fundamentally different understanding of fiction than the Japanese do. Fiction is regarded as being an extension of reality, and the 2D-3D principle is incomprehensible to most people here. Everything is supposed to be based on reality, one way or another.
Anime characters by and large are not intended to be representations of real people.
>>63469077
It was low key minimalism.
>>63469101
You're just butthurt someone didn't like your shitty manchild anime.
>>63469102
>Who do you think you're fooling?
No one. I'm talking to a retard.
>>63469083
>That scene was disgustingly grotesque and unaesthetic.
So is it unimaginative or is it grotesque and unaesthetic. It can't be all unimaginative, as the Tetsuo transformation scene had never, and has never, been done like that in 1988.
>>63469106
Yes, and?
>>63469120
Are you >>63468998
Can you reply to >>63469049
>>63469120
>le manchild meme
Meanwhile all of America is busy watching superhero movies.
>>63469101
>This is the worst opinion on the internet. Do not reply to this poster. Do not read this post. Do not attempt to interpret or internalize this opinion as it will give you cancer and destroy your soul.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have mentioned the truth, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
>>63469135
It was both.
Low key minimalism is shit. It lacks any effort and instead results in safely made music and/or production.
>>63469174
So you're just not gonna answer my request, are you?
>Low key minimalism is shit
What is your meter for this?
>>63469120
Manchild doesn't really make sense as I saw Akira when I was actually a child.
I'm sorry that Naruto was your first exposure to anime, son, but the Akira soundtrack is legendary and you need to have a good hard look at your opinions before you're too far gone.
For gods sake you're a young man.
>>63469102
>Americans, and Westerners at large, have a fundamentally different understanding of fiction than the Japanese do.
Stop pretending you know anything about Japanese perception regarding fiction.
It's gibberish and you know it.
>>63469174
>>63469201
And it can't be both, as again, it hadn't been done, nor has it been done like that, since 1988.
>>63469215
https://www.academia.edu/3665383/Lolicon_The_Reality_of_Virtual_Child_Pornography_in_Japan
>>63469018
Did you watch it on your laptop, faggot? This soundtrack has some of the best 5.1 music I've ever experienced.
>>63469219
To be honest, Cronenberg's The Fly isn't that different.
>>63469201
My meter is that I have half a brain when you don't. Low key minimalism is involved with low effort and poor creative thought. It is safely made shit, designed for economics rather than artistic purposes.
>>63469212
It does. You're a child who didn't grow up.
Anime is shit.
>>63468928
no it wasn't, it's not the first time Gainax run out of money half way an anime
check Kare Kano, same shit
>>63469219
It's both.
>>63469244
I watched it in my home theatre. It was trash.
>>63468018
it was shit
art and animation was 11/10
>24 frames hand painted animation per second
it is beautiful to watch pure art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcOiJnWniWg
>>63469270
Kare Kano didn't run out of money. They had a conflict with the original creator so the plug got pulled on it.
>>63469278
Confirmed for troll or retard then.
>>63469240
The irony being that the Japanese can tell the difference between drawings and real people, westerners cannot, continuously trying to affix legal rights to drawings.
>>63469240
What does this prove? Nothing. I'm not talking about banning lolicon manga or that lolicons are more likely to molest children.
Most pedophiles aren't rapists.
>>63469290
looks like shit
>>63469261
>My meter is that I have half a brain when you don't
This was completely uncalled for and I dunno what you hoped to do in saying this.
>Low key minimalism is involved with low effort and poor creative thought
Do you honestly think it was "poor creative thought" that the soundtrack is the way it is when My Neighbor Totoro came out the same year? Are you this silly?
>>63469256
>Youth that transforms into a mass gigantic baby the size of a small building and then devolves into a gigantic mass of flesh the size of an olympic stadium isn't that different from The Fly.
Otherwise I get what you're saying.
>>63469278
Oh alright we're done here I guess if you're not gonna answer my request. See ya on the flipside anon.
>>63469306
Stop putting yourself down.
>>63469342
See ya dumbass with no artistic taste.
>>63469322
sure go watch today computer generated shit
Akira and Ghost in the shell animation are the best
>>63469375
CGI is shit.
Keep telling yourself that. LOL you got low standards.
>>63469261
A safe soundtrack would be nondescript orchestral music the viewer never even notices. Not drums and chanting.
>>63469261
>Anime is shit.
Then so is everything else.
>>63469290
I believe it's 12 FPS in most scenes.
>>63469312
Oh well guess I gotta spoonfeed you. See pic related.
>>63469375
The Animatrix has better animation than those two flicks.
>>63468293
>if the gameplay/graphics (animation) are good then the story MUST be shit
Anime is a visual medium fucktard. Badly directed animation results in a poorly told story.
See Lain for a good example of unique visual directing being used to tell a story.
>>63469322
hand drawn is x4676587 times better then this computer shit now days just look at that shit look at it
>>63469261
I understand very clearly now, thank you.
Pay attention anons, there's a grown man in the thread now and he's going to talk to you about being a man.
>>63468597
I've only seen the movie, but I don't see how it's for pedophiles.
No fanservice. Shit aired on Disney Channel in Japan.
>>63469439
Attack on Titan is hand-drawn just like 99% of anime today.
>>63469402
>>>63469261 (You)
>A safe soundtrack would be nondescript orchestral music the viewer never even notices. Not drums and chanting.
No, you're just saying that to fit your argument that somehow it isn't minimalist.
Minimalism definition:
a reductive style or school of modern music utilizing only simple sonorities, rhythms, and patterns, with minimal embellishment or orchestrational complexity, and characterized by protracted repetition of figurations, obsessive structural rigor, and often a pulsing, hypnotic effect.
>obsessive structural rigor, and often a pulsing, hypnotic effect
This is so Akira, with it's repetitive low key and dull drums. They just kept repeating the drums hoping it would get stuck in the viewer's head.
>>>63469261 (You)
>>Anime is shit.
>Then so is everything else.
Nice logic there.
>>63468928
If you wanna see Gainax pissing people off, watch Otaku no Video.
It's like a whole documentary dedicated to both celebrating and shitting on otaku.
>>63469465
forthyKeks.jpg
>>63469439
95% of anime is still hand drawn
Including the one you posted an image of
>>63469466
Nice tumblr gif
>>63469402
Again, you are not proving anything with this. You are making some laughable distinction between the West and Japan. Do you think people in Western world treat Disney films as the reflection of reality?
However, that doesn't mean people who enjoy drawn children getting fucked don't have pedophilic tendencies.
>>63469439
In most cases it is, except that animation you've posted looks like shit.
>>63469442
Look, he's still whining.
>>63469466
You just love to hate me.
>>63469495
It is hand drawn.
It's just the colouring that's done digitally.
>>63469500
no its not do you know how much it will cost if its hand drawn
>>63468018
The story is kinda eh, the visuals are what you watch it for.
>>63469517
Zinger of a comeback.
Do you even like animation? If you don't, that's some obvious bias that could explain your neutered, baseless, hollow, and frankly retarded non-answers where you simply say "looks like shit" with zero thought or reasoning and expect to have any credibility at all.
But please, continue educating us on how the real men who have grown up think and talk.
>>63469474
>
No, you're just saying that to fit your argument that somehow it isn't minimalist.
I never even said anything about whether or not it's minimalist.
The fact is that thet most safest, blandest, generic soundtrack music is the orchestral kind that you don't even notice while watching.
>Nice logic there.
Because it's completely true.
>>63469495
The animation is drawn by hand and is then scanned so it can be colored and composited digitally. That's how almost all anime is made now. Sometimes they will draw with a tablet.
>>63469507
>Again, you are not proving anything with this.
I just demonstrated that the Japanese have a different understanding of fiction than Westerners.
>You are making some laughable distinction between the West and Japan.
Because the distinction exists.
>Do you think people in Western world treat Disney films as the reflection of reality?
They do whenever they start blabbering on about the representation of women or sexism or racism or something along those lines.
>However, that doesn't mean people who enjoy drawn children getting fucked don't have pedophilic tendencies.
They don't.
>>63469444
Most of these shows air late at night. And pornographic doujinshi based on them are really popular.
Pedophiles tend to be emotionally stunted and immature.
>>63469552
But they're both eh
>>63469549
>no its not do you know how much it will cost if its hand drawn
You're saying this seriously, aren't you
>>63469549
It is hand drawn you fucking idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0K2EXjmGY
Skip to 4:09, you can literally see them hand drawing the animation frames.
What you're referring to is the jump from traditional animation cells, to just scanning it into a computer.
Anime is still handdrawn, but by koreans and other underpaid semi-slaves
>>63469578
>Because the distinction exists
It doesn't.
>They do whenever they start blabbering on about the representation of women or sexism or racism or something along those lines.
No. It's only a very recent thing. Older Disney films were always just fairy tales with no connection to reality.
Great animation, but the plot is a bit of a mess. Probably because it was made before the manga was even finished, and they had to shove a bunch of story in a very short amount of time.
I prefer the first Ghost in the Shell film overall.
visuals and music are good, everything else is embarrassing
>>63469571
Stop whining.
>I never even said anything about whether or not it's minimalist.
>The fact is that thet most safest, blandest, generic soundtrack music is the orchestral kind that you don't even notice while watching.
You always notice while you watch, otherwise you would be deaf, so stop trying to argue your way out of the shitty soundtrack. What you're trying to refer to is a generic and mediocre soundtrack that some films have, and those are just forgettable. What you don't seem to understand, is that Akira is worse than the average generic soundtrack, simply for it's shitty/poorly done minimalist soundtrack that you seem to obsess over.
>>Nice logic there.
Because it's completely true.
No it isn't true. I love many other films from Star Wars to James Bond, to older films.
Man, if it's this easy to entertain certain people, I'm going to make a movie with really shitty score that only uses a few instruments, and I'll keep repeating drums. Then I'll have a shitty animation with dirty looking graphics and ugly characters set to the backdrop of an increasingly absurd and crazy store. They'll say it's genius and no effort was put into it.
>2015
>still caring about anime
>Miyazaki retired
>Kon is dead
>Takahata barely works
>Oshii retired
>Nakamura is dead
>>63468392
It is if it's laughably bad, like in almost all anime.
>>63469579
Many anime that air late at night are completely ok for mainstream consumption. They air late at night because of other reasons.
>And pornographic doujinshi based on them are really popular.
So?
>Pedophiles tend to be emotionally stunted and immature.
They also eat food and wear shoes. What about it?
>>63469617
Key animation is done in Japan and so is a lot of in-between animation. Nobody seems to know how much in-betweening is outsourced overseas, but it seems to be a lot less than what people commonly believe. And the reason why it's outsourced to foreign countries is not because of costs but because of a lack of manpower in Japan.
>>63469618
It so very obviously does, as evidenced by your very own posts. Westerners keep relating everything in fiction to reality, one way or another. That's why they keep insisting that lolicon = pedophilia, because they can't wrap their minds around the idea that anime characters are something separate from our reality and exist on their own terms.
It's also plainly obvious how much more Westerners are concerned with realism in fiction whereas Japanese fiction is known for being unrealistic, weird and exaggerated.
>No. It's only a very recent thing. Older Disney films were always just fairy tales with no connection to reality.
And yet they are sexist and racist because (insert SJW stuff here).
>>63469663
>You always notice while you watch, otherwise you would be deaf, so stop trying to argue your way out of the shitty soundtrack.
People don't really notice a generic soundtrack. And I'm not trying to argue my way out of any shitty soundtrack
>What you're trying to refer to is a generic and mediocre soundtrack that some films have, and those are just forgettable.
The safest kind of soundtrack.
>What you don't seem to understand, is that Akira is worse than the average generic soundtrack, simply for it's shitty/poorly done minimalist soundtrack that you seem to obsess over.
Again, I never said anything about that.
http://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2016/winter
Literally not even a single 5/10-looking anime.
>>63469663
I see why you continually repeat the same comments: It appears you barely speak English.
But please keep telling me to "stop whining," it's really giving me those (You)'s I need.
>>63469663
>No it isn't true. I love many other films from Star Wars to James Bond, to older films.
And, by your own logic, they are all shit.
>>63469687
>2015
>still thinking that a couple of movie directors represented the entirety of the anime industry, which is mostly comprised of TV anime
>>63469770
Yeah, better judge everything by a short blub and not actually watch anything.
>>63469756
>Nobody seems to know how much in-betweening is outsourced overseas, but it seems to be a lot less than what people commonly believe
Nigga half the credits are usually Kim Lee-Park
>>63469663 (You)
>You always notice while you watch, otherwise you would be deaf, so stop trying to argue your way out of the shitty soundtrack.
>People don't really notice a generic soundtrack.
Yes they do, unless you're deaf.
>And I'm not trying to argue my way out of any shitty soundtrack
I know. That's why Akira has a shitty soundtrack.
>What you're trying to refer to is a generic and mediocre soundtrack that some films have, and those are just forgettable.
>The safest kind of soundtrack.
Indeed. Except Akira was still made with what I had said earlier, a safe (not safest) minimalist soundtrack that is utter shit.
>What you don't seem to understand, is that Akira is worse than the average generic soundtrack, simply for it's shitty/poorly done minimalist soundtrack that you seem to obsess over.
>Again, I never said anything about that.
Ok so you don't love it as much, hopefully you realize that it's garbage.
I find it interesting you didn't attempt to retort me about your insinuation that if I don't like anime, then I don't like anything else. I like many different films, anime is just shit. Akira tops it.
>>63469786
>>63469770
Watching anime as it airs is a mistake, better just to wait and marathon whatever turns out to be good.
But of course if everyone did that then /a/ would be nothing but waifu wars and Evangelion.
>>63469786
>Yeah, better judge everything by a short blub and not actually watch anything.
Visuals are pretty important in films and it's rather easy to say if something is for kids/manchildren or not.
>>63469783
Stop whining.
>>63469786
>And, by your own logic, they are all shit.
No, that's your logic, dumb fuck.
>>63469825
Are you responding to yourself?
>>63469787
No they're not.
>>63469825
>Yes they do, unless you're deaf.
I am not talking about LITERALLY NOT HEARING I am talking about not paying any particular attention.
>I know. That's why Akira has a shitty soundtrack.
It doesn't.
>Ok so you don't love it as much, hopefully you realize that it's garbage.
It's not.
>I find it interesting you didn't attempt to retort me about your insinuation that if I don't like anime, then I don't like anything else. I like many different films, anime is just shit. Akira tops it.
If anime is shit then so is everything else.
>>63469836
In other words, better rely on Internet strangers to tell you what's good and what's not instead of forming your own opinions. This is how memes get started.
>>63469866
I'm sorry, do you watch literally every single anime that comes out? I highly doubt it. And if you do it's a complete waste of time that leads to a lot of needless pain and suffering. Word of mouth is not the end-all be-all but it's generally very helpful at weeding out the trash. Sometimes obscure stuff gets left at the wayside but eventually you get hipsters who start promoting it.
>>63469770
>not enjoying Lupin the Third
>>63469842
Why are you this concerned about a few children's shows? Just don't watch them (and that's assuming they even get streamed or fansubbed).
>>63469843
No, your logic. If anime is shit then so is everything else.
>>63469911
I watch most anime that comes out.
All word of mouth does in the anime community is make you watch 5 shows a year and spend the rest of your time complaining about how there's nothing worth watching and how moeshit and haremshit comprise at least 99% of all shows.
>I am not talking about LITERALLY NOT HEARING I am talking about not paying any particular attention.
So am I. Are you dense? Stop taking things literally. I mean hearing and paying attention. Do you have autism?
>It doesn't.
You know it does.
>It's not.
You know it does but you don't want to admit it.
>>63469866
>If anime is shit then so is everything else.
What kind of logic is this? This is like /pol/ and SJW logic, thinking completely black and white, in absolutes, pure generalization; not possessing any form of critical thinking to understand that just because you don't like one thing, doesn't mean you don't like the other.
You're dense. I'm done with you.
Even The Animatrix was way better than Akira.
>>63469937
Most anime are for kids OR people with extremely immature taste.
>>63469939
>So am I.
But you're not.
>You know it does.
It doesn't.
>You know it does but you don't want to admit it.
It's not.
>What kind of logic is this?
Not all anime is shit, just like not all live action (or whatever else) is shit. So if you claim all anime is shit anyway, you are also necessarily claiming that all live action is shit as well.
>This is like /pol/ and SJW logic, thinking completely black and white
Oh you mean like how you think anime is absolutely shit?
>>63469970
This
>>63469982
Confirmed for autism
>>63469970
>late night anime
>for kids
>>63469970
Most anime airs at night and is intended for late teens and adult audiences.
And you don't get to accuse anime fans of being immature when you're watching superhero movies and Game of Thrones and whatnot.
>>63470003
If replying to posts is autism then you are autistic as well.
>>63469982
but it is shit anon
>>63470024
Then so is everything else.
>>63470022
lol
>>63470045
nice generalization there faggot
>>63469937
Then frankly you're wasting your time. I guess it can be fun watching trash as it airs and dissecting it with others, but it leaves me dead inside.
Personally I'd agree that those "5 shows" are probably the only ones worth investing your time in and the rest are mediocre schlock that people forget about a month after airing. But feel free to promote shows that fall outside of those 5. If there's gems getting lost in the shuffle, you're performing a service by giving them attention. However, if you think those neglected shows aren't actually worth promoting, you're just proving my point.
I'm sorry if I've offended your hobby. But I'm impartial, I generally do the same thing with western television. If a show stands the test of time it's worth watching, if it's just a fad or a time-waster then I don't bother.
>>63470022
>is intended for late teens and adult audiences
Manchildren.
>Game of Thrones
GoT is better than nearly every modern anime and I don't even like it that much.
>superhero movies
Blockbusters are important but a very small portion of film world.
Lets come up with a list of films better than Akira
Ghost in the Shell
The Animatrix
Evangelion
>>63470069
It wasn't a generalization.
>>63470083
>Personally I'd agree that those "5 shows" are probably the only ones worth investing your time in
If you don't actually like anime.
>>63470084
>Manchildren.
Meme.
>GoT is better than nearly every modern anime and I don't even like it that much.
Yes it's so mature because it has graphic violence and sexual content. Well, if you're thirteen.
>>63470150
Grow up, you're not 16 anymore.
My number one animated movie of all time. The musc and visuals are my favourite thing about it.
GOAT movie.
>KANEDAA
>TETSUO!!!!!!!
also that credit sequence is a joy to watch
>>63470150
>If you don't actually like anime.
You know what? Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't like western television either because I can't stand American Idol or Honey Boo Boo. Maybe I just like a good piece of media and don't care what medium it comes in.
I thought Akira was alright.
>>63470150
Most anime don't have interesting visuals, good acting or an interesting plot. Hell, most anime barely have a plot in the first place.
GoT is clearly better and more mature.
>>63470189
This t.b.h.
>>63470166
Yes, unlike you.
>>63470189
>Most anime don't have interesting visuals, good acting or an interesting plot.
Then neither do most live action shows and movies.
>Hell, most anime barely have a plot in the first place.
Yes Anon, almost every anime is like K-On. It's true because some guy on 4chan said so.
>GoT is clearly better and more mature.
If you're thirteen.
Comic is better. The movie is perfect if ignore the comic. I always listen to the movie soundtrack when I read the comic because it is very good. I don't give a fuck if my english useless.
>>63470224
>>Most anime don't have interesting visuals, good acting or an interesting plot.
>Then neither do most live action shows and movies.
Profoundly dumb logic here, generalization.
>>GoT is clearly better and more mature.
>If you're thirteen.
GOT is Rated R
It's time to grow up.
>>63470189
>Most anime don't have interesting visuals, good acting or an interesting plot.
> no interesting plot.
Most anime have better stories than movies or tv-shows.
>>63470224
>every anime is like K-ON
Many anime are like K-ON. Harems also barely have a plot. Most shows are literally ads for manga or light novels (which are also terrible).
>>63470275
I watched the movie before I read the comic and I thought it sucked anyway
I think we can all agree that most anime is trash for manchildren and teenagers
>>63470280
>GOT is Rated R
No, it's rated TV-MA
>>63470189
This t b h senpai
>>63470280
>Profoundly dumb logic here, generalization.
It's just logic, period. I already explained this.
>GOT is Rated R
And yet when an anime is rated R it's still magically for children or manchildren.
>>63470287
>Many anime are like K-ON.
Many anime are also like Gundam.
>Harems also barely have a plot.
Many of them do.
>Most shows are literally ads for manga or light novels (which are also terrible).
No they're not. This is a myth perpetuated by people who don't even watch anime and have no idea what they're talking about.
>>63470296
Movie sucked or comic? I understand movie because many friends say it's shit, if comic is shit you have a brain problem
>>63470313
Then so is most of everything else.
>>63470404
No, just you.
>>63470422
Don't try to change the subject.
Akira is kinda all over the place because of how condensed it is. Anime exposition is rarely top-tier in the first place, but in Akira it really errs on the side of fucking nonsense. A lot of the original story deals in a lot of the abstract as well, so it's not exactly a film that does a good job of conveying exactly what it's about in any sort of detailed, clear manner.
That being said, the film has sick visuals, and the actual city itself is super fucking well conveyed. The atmosphere, the disenfranchised youth, the behind-the-scenes power politics, the militarization, all in the aftermath and ruins of a nuclear bomb allegory? That shit is fucking awesome. Soundtrack is fucking awesome, character design is sweet, the actual characters manage to obtain quite a bit of personality for a work that is so fucked on the actual story.
Akira is fucking awesome
(has problems though let's not ignore it)
Aqueera sucks
>muh Disney animation
>>63470390
I meant the movie, the mango is great
>>63468018
10/10 animation
2/10 plot
8/10 villain
4/10 protag
It deserves praise on animation alone.
>>63468018
Most Asian movies pride themselves with their slow pace and somber atmosphere.
Akira in the other hand was extremely exhausting since its 2 hours of straight shit is happening on screen.
No other movie has made me feel so tired after viewing, even transformers 3 which had the most action had areas that paused for the audience.
I wish we could gas the weebs and jews
>>63468110
For taking on the challenge of trying to visually realize a person's transition to godhood.
I just want to say Aqueera again. Aqueera.
>>63468110
>shit visuals
Obvious bait, the rest is a matter of opinion but Akira might be one of the most well animated films ever created.
>>63468214
What do you consider top tier? And dont come around with modern anime, because everyone knows not even 50 percent is drawn and the other half is badly cgi'd
>that one asshurt crossboarder weeb defending his gook cartoons very seriously
wwwww
>>63468098
DELETE THIS
Wow. I haven't seen this one in 20 years. You dorks are still talking about it? I remember thinking it was pretty cool as a teenager. I should watch it again to see what I think now.
I can, however, say with clear judgement that OP is a fag.
>>63468018
Read the manga.
>>63471058
Some people like the music, I hear.
>>63470113
>excluding the best animated movie of all time
>>63468018
Never was a fan, but the animation is pretty damn great. Lots of other better animated films out ther imo.
>>63468018
fun fact: TMS animated Duck Tales and Winnie the Pooh at the same time it was doing this
>>63468018
It was never regarded as the best
It was one of the first to hit mainstream in western culture
Thats the only reason its popular
>>63468018
I liked it.
>>63468505
Not gonna lie, they had to skip a lot of the nuances from the manga.
You should check it out. The part where the city explodes is like part 2 of 6.
>>63470113
You mean anime films?
Angel's Egg
End of Evangelion
Kanashimi no Belladonna
Millennium Actress
Perfect Blue
Tree of Palme
Tale of Princess Kaguya
Princess Mononoke
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
1001 Arabian Nights
Mind Game
Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer
Ghost in the Shell
KANEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>63475528
Tetsuoooooooooo
>>63473761
Anime is still mostly hand-drawn, especially movies.
>>63469687
I MEAN C'MON!
IT'S 2015!
Well meme'd family. ;)
>>63468018
as everything from Japanese cartoonists...
>>63470189
>Most anime don't have interesting visuals, good acting or an interesting plot. Hell, most anime barely have a plot in the first place.
Maybe.
>GoT is clearly better and more mature.
No.
Now fuck off and get cancer, you pathetic fool!
>>63476401
Then everything else is shit too.
>>63476426
if you mean manga and anime, yes it is
>>63476483
No, I mean literally everything. Like all live action movies and shows. They're all shit.
>>63476483
Don't worry anon, you're right. Don't reply to this person, he/she/it is autistic:
>>63476504
>>63468018
This is more suitable for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafd97yJFOI
>>63476504
Dawg I was here last night at some point you gotta realize you're wasting your time when you know you're right.
>>63476534
>he/she/it is autistic
I know this is a meme, but this guy really has some mental problems.
>>63476549
I prefer The Animatrix t.b.h. Much better stories, animation, music, etc; That and Ghost in the Shell.
>>63476534
He isn't right, and I am not autistic. I am simply pointing out the logical inevitability that if all anime is shit then so is everything else. It cannot be any other way.
>>63476422
>No
It is.
>>63476562
This. Ignore the autist.
>>63468110
what movie are you talking about?
>>63476597
Stop making illogical claims.
>weebs on the suicide watch
>>63476614
Akira. Not Ghost in the Shell, far superior.
m.d geist is goat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDoiadGeYXQ
Well, not all anime is shit. But comparing anime to live action is kinda like comparing comic books to real books.
>>63476634
>Ghost in the Shell
it's a peace of shit
>>63476692
kek
>>63476702
Akira is a piece of shit.
You might want to learn how to spell, kiddo.
>>63476692
There's a lot of anime that's basically no different from live action. Such as Jin-Roh.
>>63468505
> random movement of people with the priest/ess? that follow him around calling him akira, when akira was supposed to be top secret right?
Area 51 is also supposed to be top secret.
>>63476692
Name one live action series that is better than Berserk.You can't.
>>63476716
ANIME IS SHIT
>>63476772
I agree.
>>63476772
Then so is everything else.
>>63476791
and your reasoning is?
>>63476772
this t.b.h. senpai
>>63476809
Not all anime is shit. Not all live action (etc.) is shit. If you claim the former is shit, it follows that so is the latter.
I shouldn't even need to explain something so elementary.
>>63476845
>If you claim the former is shit, it follows that so is the latter.
lol no it doesn't. They're two different things. Anime is shit.
>>63476879
>Anime is shit.
Then so is everything else. That's simply how it logically works whether you like it or not.
>>63476845
>Not all anime is shit.
you're wrong.
animation is retarded, people/animal/world representation is ugly as fuck. movement is often replaced by fade to black, and so on...
anime is garbage you better start dealing with it.
and for fuck sake contain your shit
>>63476879
>>63476909
Don't feed the troll folks.
>>63476845
>Serbian animation is shit
>So is everything else xd
>>63476915
>you're wrong.
No I'm not.
>animation is retarded
Anime has the best hand-drawn animation in the world.
>people/animal/world representation is ugly as fuck
No it isn't.
>movement is often replaced by fade to black,
No it isn't.
>anime is garbage you better start dealing with it.
No it isn't.
>and for fuck sake contain your shit
I didn't start this thread.
>>63476926
If all anime is shit then so is everything else.
>>63468223
Evangelion was boring for me because of so much drama
>>63476964
>Anime has the best hand-drawn animation in the world.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
fuckin weeb
>>63476964
>If all anime is shit then so is everything else.
So you can't refute this?
>>63468291
THESAURUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>63476998
Heard of Red Line?
>>63476998
It's simply the truth. And these days there's almost zero competition anyway.
>>63477004
Refute what? My own statement?
>>63477015
Yes?
>>63477028
Refute that Serbian animation and anime is a better analogy than "everything else" and anime.
>>63473739
Actually that award would go to the thief and the cobbler
>>63477042
I know or care nothing about Serbian animation, and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just trying to change the subject.
>>63477056
There's a lot more to animation quality than the framerate.
>disgusting effeminate asiatic animation
>good
>>63477004
the best I've seen has probably been in l'illusionniste. really fucking restrained and subtle but still contains wealth of character and ingenious ideas. japs can't do subtle so it's more like a spectacle, even if the animation is good
I got my friend who is really into anime to watch Akira, and he had to stop 20 minutes in because it "looked too old"
And I repeat, he claims to like anime.
>>63477111
It's the best animation in the world.
>>63477128
>japs can't do subtle
Not true.
>>63477092
Then I would argue that Little Nemo: adventures in Slumberland is better animated than Akira
>>63477141
>It's the best animation in the world.
says who?
>>63477148
lol
it has a dull style which apes disney all movie long
>>63477158
No one. Even the Japanese.
>>63477132
Your friend. I like him.
>>63477132
So what. He's a faggot because the movie looks gorgeous, but the story of the movie was pretty fucking boring. He did a good thing skipping it, visuals alone won't carry shit unless you are LE PATRCIAN LEL
>>63477158
Anyone who actually knows anything about animation.
>>63477141
not sure what you're talking about, please refresh my memory. it's all about canned expressions, samey design solutions, no attention paid to lip movement and most of the focus being on large body movements
>>63477229
>movie looks gorgeous
Are we watching the same movie m8? Akira looks like someone took a shit on the animation.
>>63477237
>Anyone who actually knows anything about animation.
tip top kek.
i think you and your pals are not the authority in that matter
The manga is better
>>63477158
Says me. What other animation do you prefer?
Disney? Its dead
French? It has its charme but still doesnt come close
You dont need to be a weeb to like mal animation
>>63477248
You are wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>63477282
I have no "pals" and this has nothing to do with me anyway.
>>63477264
Well I liked it.
>>63477237
>At the 2003 Laputa Animation Festival in Tokyo, 140 animation artists and film critics from around the world were asked to list what they thought were the 20 best animated films or animated series. These lists were then combined into one list with 150 titles on it. Many films from the finished list were shown at the festival that year, and after that it was made into a Japanese -language book about animation
Top 10:
1. Ёжик в тyмaнe / Hedgehog in the Fog (1975, Yuriy Norshteyn)
2. Cкaзкa cкaзoк / Tale of Tales (1979, Yuriy Norshteyn)
3. Fantasia (1940, Ben Sharpsteen, Hamilton Luske)
4. L'homme qui plantait des arbres / The Man Who Planted Trees (1987, Frédéric Back)
5. Le Roi et l'oiseau / The King and the Mockingbird (1952/1980, Paul Grimault)
6. 未来少年コナン / Future Boy Conan (1978, Hayao Miyazaki) (tv series)
7. となりのトトロ / My Neighbor Totoro (1988, Hayao Miyazaki)
8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937, David Hand)
9. Yellow Submarine (1968, George Dunning)
10. わんぱく王子の大蛇退治 / The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon (1963, Yugo Serikawa)
>>63477336
thats cause you're a colossal faggot.
>>63477340
>1. Ёжик в тyмaнe / Hedgehog in the Fog (1975, Yuriy Norshteyn)
i'll be forever baffled about how babby's first philosophy plus babby's first puppets is considered relevant
>>63477321
>I have no "pals"
now we know why
>>63477318
>Says me.
a faggot
>Disney? Its dead
it's live and well.
>French? It has its charme but still doesnt come close
are you implying that french cartoonists are worse than japanese?
you're retarded or blind?
>>63477340
They were just being pretentious and/or had no idea what they were talking about.
And while there are good non-Japanese animated works, when you look at the big picture it's clear that Japan is the best.
>>63477405
>now we know why
Again, this has nothing to do with me.
>it's live and well.
Yes, making 3DCG. Which is not comparable to hand-drawn animation.
>are you implying that french cartoonists are worse than japanese?
Some recent French movies I've looked at seem to use rotoscoping.
>>63477412
Yes, animators know less about animation than you, kek.
>>63477367
>babby's first philosophy
What was the philosophical meaning of this short?
>>63477412
>he big picture it's clear that Japan is the best.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHHAHAHA
what an idiot
>>63477340
fucking destroyed
>>63477321
yea I'm sure the useless normie who thinks japanese animation is the pinnacle of the medium is in the right. keep scratching that surface buddy and pretend you're digging gold
What subtle animation are you talking about? Really?
Thank for reminding me why hardly come this board anymore op.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTeayxENpFg
Better and more creative than 99% of anime.
>>63477441
>Again, this has nothing to do with me.
you're into anime. that has everything to do with you.
>3dcg is worse
disney's still bigger company than let's say ghibili.
you apparently know shit. and if you say that profitability isn't the marker of success then what is? recognition? disney has it as well.
they're just moved into something different.
anime is still the same shit as in the 70s. no fucking progress.
>>63468867
>asian characters with special power
its the story of a kid who rises into godhood and the choices he makes.
>dirty and shoddy looking
film grain and its all hand drawn
>>63477508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6xvpzqCUA
>>63477536
>
it's the story of anal rape, postwar tokyo, and some other weird shit that only chinks can think of.
it's crap
>>63477340
>no Jan Švankmajer
and into the trash goes this list
>>63477445
>Yes, animators know less about animation than you, kek.
Consider the fact that Miyazaki is one of the greatest animation directors of all time, yet everything he says about anime and otaku is complete bullshit.
>>63477446
There are good animated non-Japanese works, but Japan has even more good animated works. A lot more. And more different kinds.
>>63477467
>yea I'm sure the useless normie who thinks japanese animation is the pinnacle of the medium is in the right. keep scratching that surface buddy and pretend you're digging gold
What are you talking about?
>What subtle animation are you talking about? Really?
For example, in episode 8 of Hibike! Euphonium a character's response is physically conveyed through his hands being clasped together and tightening slightly. The shot only shows his hands.
>>63477508
No.
>>63477523
>you're into anime. that has everything to do with you.
This has nothing to do with me.
>disney's still bigger company than let's say ghibili.
Did I say otherwise?
>anime is still the same shit as in the 70s. no fucking progress.
Absolutely and utterly wrong. It's clear that you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
>>63468018
why do all animes have the same progression?
Start with borderline believable world, by the end crazy magic shit is happening.
>>63477633
>Hibike
cmon son, this is why /a/ is so boring. you don't understand what a canned expression is and you don't understand subtlety. just because there are slight movements it doesn't mean it conveys a highly specific and/or complex emotion. talking emotional content with weebs is like trying to explain algebra to a shoe lol
>>63477647
>why do all animes have the same progression?
They don't.
>>63477647
>words
Be careful with those! You could hurt someone!
>>63477633
>Absolutely and utterly wrong. It's clear that you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
yes i do have. apparently your weaboism is blinding you from seeing the truth.
but i know... it is hard to get rid of retardation.
we're all with you...
>>63477688
This. Anime is as subtle as a sledgehammer.
>>63477633
>a character's response is physically conveyed through his hands being clasped together and tightening slightly
wow bro super subtle and deep
>>63477713
Look! Its you in your echochamber.
>>63477721
art is a hammer
subtlety is for the unprepared
4u weeb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-s49bBbtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPf7JR-wgt8
>>63477688
>you don't understand what a canned expression
Where did I indicate any such thing?
>it doesn't mean it conveys a highly specific and/or complex emotion
Moving the goalposts. You said nothing about "highly specific and/or complex emotion" before. And your next trick, of course, is to define "highly specific and/or complex emotion" in such a way that nothing in anime could ever qualify.
>>63477713
The aesthetics, character archetypes, genres, story conventions, production and animation techniques, and target audiences have all changed since the 70s.
>>63477739
It is subtle. But I never said anything about deep.
I thought it was pretty good. Please show me the error of my ways and recommend a good anime film.
>>63477765
>using buzzwords
>saying nothin yet speaking loudly
idiot
>>63477804
Jiri Trnka's Midsummer Night's Dream
>>63477801
>The aesthetics, character archetypes, genres, story conventions, production and animation techniques, and target audiences have all changed since the 70s.
yet still there are parts where only background or character face is moving.
still there's fading to black when animation is too expensive or too hard to draw.
it's fucking retarded that you're believing in whatever you've wrote there.
>>63477812
at least my memes aren't stale, my dear friend
>>63477804
Here you go.
>>63474529
>>63468131
If something is good, it doesn't turn bad.
>>63477801
>>you don't understand what a canned expression
>Where did I indicate any such thing?
because then you wouldn't refer to a scene that wouldn't have been impressive in the fucking 30s you worthless normie
>Moving the goalposts. You said nothing about "highly specific and/or complex emotion" before.
>subtle
>[suht-l]
>fine or delicate in meaning or intent; difficult to perceive or understand:
>requiring mental acuteness, penetration, or discernment:
>characterized by mental acuteness or penetration:
I'm obviously not talking about the standard histrionics you've come to expect from anime people
>And your next trick, of course, is to define "highly specific and/or complex emotion" in such a way that nothing in anime could ever qualify.
I've always appreciated miyazaki for being fairly straight-forward and honest about his work, I'd say it reaches pretty far high up :)
>>63477909
Seen it. It's way worse than akira.
>>63477852
>yet still there are parts where only background or character face is moving.
>still there's fading to black when animation is too expensive or too hard to draw.
What about it?
>it's fucking retarded that you're believing in whatever you've wrote there.
Mecha show from 1979:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDTdcgIIP8
Mecha show from 1981:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHQjqtojwI
Mecha show from 2007:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akH8OQY0OxI
Mecha show from 2014:
http://openings.moe/?video=Opening1-AldnoahZero.webm
Yes clearly no differences to be seen here.
>>63477989
>because then you wouldn't refer to a scene that wouldn't have been impressive in the fucking 30s you worthless normie
Moving the goalposts once again. Now it's suddenly about innovation? And how exactly am I a normie?
>subtle
Yes, I know what it means. What's your point?
>>63469261
haha everyybody look at this loser xD ! ! !
>>63478148
I'm implying that it's a canned expression with no thoughts having went into it. much like most of japanese acting, animated or not. it doesn't reveal anything about the character other than the fact that it's a stereotypical anime person who behaves in typical anime person ways.
>Yes, I know what it means.
then why did you choose this particular scene to prove your point when it's demonstratively not subtle
>>63478346
>I'm implying that it's a canned expression with no thoughts having went into it
It isn't. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your narrative.
>it doesn't reveal anything about the character other than the fact that it's a stereotypical anime person who behaves in typical anime person ways.
You don't even know anything whatsoever about the scene and characters other than what I just told you (i.e. nearly nothing). You're just filling in the blanks with your insane anti-anime hysteria.
>then why did you choose this particular scene to prove your point when it's demonstratively not subtle
Because it demonstratively is subtle.
>>63468792
I was genuinely baffled after I saw Akira, people had been saying chronicle was essentially an akira movie but holy shit no, not at all. Do people really think this or is it a joke.
