>it's a "kira is an unrepentant former terrorist" episode
>It's a kai wynn episode
Fucking kill me
>it's a Dax is charming and flirtatious episode
>>63402116
I thought he was looking for an IED under his desk
>it's an admiral with a weird uniform episode
>it's a DS9 isn't true Star Trek and never will be even though you keep posting about it because it's the only Star Trek you know but it never will be true Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry would have hated it and you know it's true so you hate Gene Roddenberry instead of accepting that it's not true Star Trek and never will be thread
>>63402116
I love this webm, its like Sisko is throwing Kira a infinite amount of hats from under his desk
>>63403581
gene roddenberry was the worst thing to happen to star trek though
>>63402139
>COSTAMOGEN
>PAH WRAITHS
Fucking bury me in the ground, those plotlines couldn't even be saved by based dukat
>>63403649
tng maybe
it's a
>sisko dogmatically persues eddington and ignores every bit of truth michael confronts him with, because sisko is essentially a braindead federation thug
it's a
>sisko forgives his cunt girlfriend for aiding eddington's 'terrorists' because she 'didn't know better' or something
i like ds9, but sisko is insufferable
>>63403684
The actor who plays him is fucking insane, have you seen any interviews? He's a rambling lunatic. He seems fine when he's acting but after the show wrapped up he went nuts.
>>63403680
All memes considered, Roddenberry TNG episodes are literally the only good ones.
>>63403581
>that one tng fan who never fails to bitch about DS9 and the Defiant because da Galaxy class is da best!
>>63403721
This is a meme steeped in xenophobia and racism.
>>63403581
Nothing is 'true Star Trek'
TNG is its own thing from TOS, Voy is its own thing from DS9, 09 is its own thing from ENT.
We are lucky that Star Trek isnt the same shit over and over and over again. Its not like Roddenberry himself was arguing with his producers during the start of TNG since some of the production wanted to stick to old TOS attitudes while others, Roddenberry included wanted to expand further.That or Roddenberry at this point was senile and was obsessed with sex.
>>63403737
>Star TREK
>Space STATION
Nobody cares about the defiant except for pewpewtards
>>63403763
Scotty is true Star Trek.
>>63403759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2MEYMMDhKk
No, he really is unusual. He was fine in the show but afterwards he went a little odd.
>>63403737
not that guy because the galaxy is an ugly boat
but the defiant is essentially the equivalent of a ship mary sue
>its overgunned!
>it blows itself apart in tests!
>it cant handle its firepower and engines!
>blahblah
>proceeds to function flawlessly for the entire show run
>is like 80m long and apparently outguns every federation ship bar the sovereign
size alone should preclude a warp core capable of generating enough power for such weapons, unless making bigger warp bubbles really use that much power
its also fucking ugly as sin
>>63403581
DS9 had good stories
It had an ongoing story that did not reset at the end of every episode
It had characters who change and grew over the course of the series and did not reset at the end of the episode
It did not have stark black & white morality in which the humans and federation were perfect and had no conflict and went around telling all the aliens how to be more human
>>63403826
No, you really are truly racist and xenophobic. We've had this fucking discussion before and I'm not going to have it again. Just because you're incredibly unhep and can't be bothered to decipher jazzman language doesn't mean this person is insane.
>>63403734
is this some sort of joke? first two seasons of tng were atrocious
>>63403827
don't forget cloak they aren't supposed to use but use all the time anyway
>>63403852
>you just don't get it!!
Oh ok so instead of having discussion you're just going to talk shit, kill yourself.
>>63403865
The Romulan who was supposed to be in charge of that just vanished after the episode they introduced it.
>>63403734
roddenberry had very little to do with tng other than receiving a paycheck
>the secret to the success of DS9
>>63403900
le babylon
>>63403900
I tried watching this and it just didn't click with me. TNG and that have been remastered I guess while that is still very obviously 90s CGI that ages horrendously. The storylines and characters are good at least.
>>63403827
>>is like 80m long and apparently outguns every federation ship bar the sovereign
Just as planned. They stripped it of all research and exploration and humanitarian facilities and crew
>size alone should preclude a warp core capable of generating enough power for such weapons,
And you know how much energy is produced in a matter/anti-matter explosion do you?
It could produce as much as it needs, it would simply be limited by its fuel supply requiring constant resupply OR OPERATION FROM A STARBASE
>>63403940
plebspace9 fans are really the worst
>>63403940
if size doesn't limit power than why not make the defiant the size of a shuttlecraft?
>>63402116
there are diarrhea gargling troglodytes who think Sisko was the best commander/captain, that his acting was solid and that he was in a good star trek series.
>its a ds9 thread
>>63403981
he had moments but all that fucking bajoran god shit should've been left out
>>63403937
first season is a little wonky
they have to introduce things
and they get a lot of notes from the studio about what to do/not do
also cast change for the lead made some of the episodes redundant
>while that is still very obviously 90s CGI that ages horrendously.
Babylon 5s original effects company Foundation Imaging did the effects for DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise when they finally made the switch to digital
B5 had a smaller effects budget, and they upgraded their equipment after the pilot and after season 2, you can see a big leap in quality in season 3-5 a good example is instead of just plain starfields they have Hubble telescope mattes straight form JPL
>it's a TNG/VOY/ENT trying to be a TOS episode episode
Why did they even try?
>>63403937
you didn't give it enough time, it grows exponentially better and by 3rd season its the GOAT scifi show (yes the cgi too also)
you can pass on 5th season and all the spinoffs/movies if you want, Except In the Beginning..
>>63403972
phaser cannons and torpedos
>>63403864
More meme propagation.
All you fucking retards can do is recycle old ideas.
Fuck you.
>>63403940
seems to operate for relatively extended durations in the gamma quadrant fine
nothing in the show ever indicated that it has fueling probels
and if size doesnt matter for warp cores and its just fuel capacity, why is the defiant's warp core fit in a room, and the warp core on the galaxy or sovereign like 12 decks tall
>>63404037
season 5 is fine, I dont understand why people say this
>it's a black captain episode
>>63404039
what is a phaser cannon? is that a stargate thing?
>>63404049
name a good episode from season 1-2
>>63403827
>>proceeds to function flawlessly for the entire show run
don't let O'Brien hear you say that, hasn't he suffered enough?
>>63404050
smaller ship smaller engine
>>63404091
The Neutral Zone
>>63404091
all the ones with Q + The Neutral Zone
>>63404070
because JMS pretty much wrapped up the entire show at the end of S4 expecting it to be canceled, then they were just aimless
Oh but he can watch the s5 finale ofc, since it really was the s4 finale
>>63403881
>The Romulan who was supposed to be in charge of that just vanished after the episode they introduced it.
Overused the cloak device on himself probably?
>>63404091
The Naked Now
>>63404082
>>63404135
those are pulse phasers
>>63404115
the q episodes were terrible
>>63404109
smaller ship smaller engine less power less room for weapons less firepower
except for the defiant, its special
>>63404125
>we have to do a story to refer back to the original series
>>63403881
>The Romulan who was supposed to be in charge of that just vanished after the episode they introduced it.
He was killed on screen during his first outing. The empire probably figured the Defiant would be promptly destroyed anyhow.
>>63404159
>smaller engine
and you know how much anti-matter can fit inside it?
have you ever seen a rally car? they're compact cars, they often have just a 1-2 litre engine
>>63404157
>q who
>bad
literally kill yourself
though hide and q does suck
>>63404212
the q episodes in voyager were generally ass
>>63404198
power to weight in a car has nothing to do with spaceships and definitely nothing to do with energy based weapons
such race cars also have high strung engines with heavy maintenance schedules and short service lives
both of which are things the defiant is also never ever shown to have
>>63404249
>VOY
>having anything to do with S1-2 of TNG
>which is explicity what he was asking about
Why do these threads attract mostly autists who think if you disagree with them it's a personal attack?
The Conspiracy is a great example of how bad Rodenberry was and incapable of dramatic story telling
The story was originally conceived without aliens, it was strictly a cabal of Admirals trying to take over the Federation.
It was written as a parable of Iran Contra (remember TNG started in 1987)
Rodenberry was aghast at this.
For him Starfleet and its Officers were perfect and do not have conflicts.
They would never do such a thing.
Never mind human story telling going back to the first recorded story Gilgamesh has been about some sort of conflict or other and a story about perfect people with no conflict would be rather boring.
Kind of like the first two seasons of TNG.
So the story had to be rewritten to introduce Alien parasites.
And as the story was developed it was decided that these aliens were to become a reoccurring foe.
Because many felt the first season was very lethargic with no antagonist and the Ferengi proving laughable.
But the insertion of these aliens ruins the stories parable.
Instead of cautioning about our own military and intelligence unchecked powers, the warning is about insidious outside forces corrupting our purity from within.
Thats stock standard fascist propaganda.
>>63404198
Someone might say that, dear lady, if someone thought that the Defiant was akin to a rally car. But this, er... increasingly hypothetical someone... would not be me.
Bashir, or as I like to call him
>صدّيق الطاهر الفاضل الصدّيق عبدالرحمن محمد أحمد عبدالكريم المهدي Ṣiddīq aṭ-Ṭāhir al-Fāḍil aṣ-Ṣiddīq ʿAbd ur-Raḥman Muḥammad ʾAḥmad ʿAbd ul-Karīm al-Mahdī
Is not my doctor.
>>63404280
>power to weight in a car has nothing to do with spaceships and definitely nothing to do with energy based weapons
Oh really and you know this how about matter/anti-matter warp drives in a FICTIONAL STORY in which every technical problem is solved by reciting a string of technobabble
>>63404357
its comparable to a missile corvette, a small fast ship armed with anti-ship missiles
fast and agile and capable of destroying larger warships with one shot
>>63404372
the halls of deep space nine gotta be littered with the blood of cardassians
>>63402191
Erzi best Dax.
>>63404381
>every technical problem
ironically, in addition to having more firepower than all but one federation ship on screen, a cloaking device, the best maneuverability, and ridiculous durability, the 'experimental prototype' defiant also has no technical problems to technobabble in the first place
>>63404415
>it's a Dukat becomes the messiah for the Bajewrans episode
>>63404381
>it's FICTIONAL so it doesn't have to make sense
Sorry, but this in not a valid argument. A thing not working in accordance to the already established rules of a, fictional or not, universe without no explanation it's never OK.
Cheers.
>>63404345
would there have been a Raygun president of the Federation?
>>63404446
they never laid out the rules of power output or fuel capacity
>>63402116
That was the only redeeming thing about her otherwise useless character. her terrorist past and the fact that she seemed disturbingly comfortable with it served as the premise for a lot of good episodes.
i would have liked it if odo was as comfortable with his past. if he had been like "yeah i collaborated with the cardassians. i'm a creature of order and i could ensure justice and equanimity better from a vantage point of power than i could as a rebel sympathizer" it would have made it much easier to respect his position. but instead he got all mushy because he wanted that bajoran poontang and had to grovel for kira's forgiveness instead of owning his past and telling her where to shove it if she doesnt like it
can the defiant saucer separate?
>>63404345
IF YOU DONT LIKE RODDENBERRY WHY DONT YOU FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER SYFY SERIES?
WHAT IF I LIKE FASCIST PROPAGANDA?
>>63404449
>that poster
>again
>>63404515
it doesn't have a saucer
Is the sexual organs guy asleep?
This thread feels wrong.
nothing can stop the gomtuu
>>63404595
It knows a good trick that makes it UNBEATABLE.
>>63404499
Engines are as big as they are for a reason.
Otherwise they'd be just wasting space and my time. And if there truly is no reason to not make them smaller, as shown by Defiant, then why making them so big?
Defiant is a neat idea, just handled poorly.
>>63404444
>it's a quads episode
>>63404595
Giant, space pine cone.
>>63404091
Symbiosis, Skin of Evil, Datalore
All from Season 1.
This meme needs to die.
>>63404765
Move Along Home is better than all of those
>>63404822
No.
>>63404595
This was my favourite episode of all time and no one seems to like it.
Jammer's Reviews said it was hammy but I felt like the guy fucking SOLD it for TV acting. He gave that goddamn role his all and I didn't mind it at all.
I feel like this thread has given me a true breakthrough because this is truly /reddit/ the show because everyone on that website is obsessed with this show.
but also, it is a great show, and contains an equal amount of liberal/conservative values that can appeal to anyone on 4chan, especially because of its irreverent humor and (sometimes) great writing
reddit is a terrible website, but in a sense so is 4chan because we created those Scientology faggots that made 4chan look like a bunch of Guy Fawkes wearing autists four or five years ago.
/tv/ is my favorite board on 4chan, but it has an unfortunate overlap with reddit. I'm just (very) drunk and am realizing that this great board has more of a relation to reddit than any of us would like to admit, what's important is that we continue to remain extremely hostile to each other to keep our faggot asses in check
>>63404997
Jammer's reviews is wrong about literally everything.
>>63405168
Go to bed, faggot.
>>63405168
The overlap is coincidental. Remember that reddit didn't even exist before 2007
>It's a "Kira turns into a hot silver fox gilf" episode.
>>63403826
I will never understand the Avery is crazy meme.
He isn't fucking crazy. He's just on a lot of fucking coke.
>>63405427
Has he even been in anything since DS9? Where do you think he'd get the money for that?
>>63405442
He's a professor (tenure) and does a lot of plays. Cons also pay a lot if he goes to them.
>>63404822
FUCK YOU BUDDY
>>63405427
seems more like morphine would be more his style
>>63402116
Kira is so goddamn QT like holy shit
>>63405169
"no"
>>63405388
I fell your hatred Child, and I forgive you for it.
>tfw excited about the new series but they'll probably ruin it by making it all a dumb popcorn movie and nothing intelligent that also explores the human condition
>>63404155
no. they are phaser cannons. source : star trek online
>>63405924
The new movies had a supernova threatening to destroy the galaxy.
A supernova.
The time of Star Trek has passed. Don't get your hopes up.
>>63406011
>tfw Star Trek has been taken over by Star Wars fans
It didn't have to end this way.
>>63406011
a blue fart threatened the Enterprise once.
I forget.
Bajoran and Cardassian.
Which one was Israel and which one was Palestine? Back when I watched DS9 I wasn't as enligtened on the oppression of Palestineans as I once was.
>>63406153
The Cardassians were Nazis and the Bajorans were Jews.
If the new series is smart, they'll have the Bajorans occupying a less advanced species that uses terrorism to achieve its goals.
>>63406153
Cardassians = Israel
Bajorans = Palestine
>>63405802
Is it wrong to find admiral Nechayev to be the cutest woman in star trek?
I just want to cuddle her
>>63406221
She looks like she cooked meatloaf for dinner and keeps asking if you finished your homework
>>63406221
She isn't the cutest, but I definitely would t.b.h.
>>63406221
She's a hotter milf than Beverly, that's for damn sure.
Is Barclay autistic?
>>63402191
i can't stand the Dax/Worf relationship. made me dislike dax, and i loved the character before
>>63406397
Ahm-uh, au-autistic? I d-dont think so n-no...
ds9 just doesnt beat Picard and crew. I feel at home when watching TNG, on DS9 i dont give a shit what happens to them 50% of the time
Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.
>>63406011
>>63406114
Shit can't be that bad, right?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2621446/
Welp.
>>63406626
>Admiral Chekov
>>63405726
really? i fucking hate kira. like, 0% feminine
>>63406562
>it's a Dukatgoes nuts after Damar shoots Ziyalepisode
Holy shit, that broke my heart.
>>63406727
>>63406727
>not liking viragos
>not liking star trek partly because it is filled with bossy-ass go-getter women in pantsuits and shiny black boots who would probably grab you by your visible starfleet uniform genital bulge and order you around if you were an autistic barclay motherfucker (which you are)
>not enjoying this precisely because nothing remotely like these women has ever existed or will ever exist in real life
>not wanting to work on ds9 and get bossed around by tall starfleet graduates who have had martial arts training and get angry at you for fucking up constantly
>not wanting to be friends with chief o'brien
>not wanting an arc where worf teaches you to stop being such a bitch all the time
>not wanting to live in star trek
>not thinking of killing yourself because you can't live in star trek and star trek isn't real
I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF
>>63406745
(hands Sisko the baseball)
"...and I forgive you, too."
>>63406785
>>63406727
That's just because you haven't watched enough episodes. She takes out the shoulder pads.
>>63406762
dont make me nod respectfully towards you
>>63406808
10/10 lower body m8.
>>63406808
She forgot to age
>>63406808
im at the point where she gets foreignpregnant.
shit's weird, and they deal with it too nonchalantly imo
>>63406841
Yeah, Bashir knocked her up IRL and they had to include that shit in the show without rekking it. You kinda notice when they got together in season 3, they both had these real tense moments together.
>>63406665
>implying the fair and just Federation doesn't have a fair, just and clearly determined promotion paths so anyone can be an Admiral one day
See: Admiral Janeway.
>>63406841
That and the weird sexual tension between O'Brien and Kira was a little weird.
>>63406840
best girl
>>63406821
You have a point, m80, I haven't done a ds9 viewing in a couple years.
>>63404119
>aimless
It shows dealing with the aftermath of establishing the Interstellar Alliance, Telepaths and the other Shadow Creatures, it would be childish as fuck if after winning the Shadow War everyone lives happy ever after and no problems ever arise again.
>>63406884
NotCanon future
>>63406808
Was she Romulan?
Has there ever been a bigger character rape than Picard from the movies?
>>63406876
>ywn knock up prime Nana
>ywn leaver her afterwards because you go on a search for pussy
>ywn have the dashing Arabian Knight looks complimented by e perfect English accent
>ywn see based Siddig play Stilgar in Dennis Villeneuve's Dune
Feels bad man
>>63406996
>I have been in Cairo for my schooling.
>>63403581
That autism. Fuck
>>63406996
>you will never be the Prince of Dorne
>you will never be Malcolm McDowell's nephew
>>63407031
Isn't he from Khartoum?
Imagine a remake of the 1969 Khartoum, with Michael Fassbender playing Charlton Heston and Alexander Siddig playing Laurence Olivier. Directed by Mel Gibson.
Would a show focusing on a cast of not-bridge officers in the Trek universe even work?
I'm tired of seeing captains and 1nd officers beaming down like retards all the time.
>>63407075
>Prince of Dorne
Holy Fucking Shit I knew he looked familiar.
Jesus!
>>63406203
From my point of view, the Cardies were Israel and the Bajorans were Palestine.
>>63407084
You are absolutely right.
The Mahdi wouldn't have to be played by a guy in blackface. That'd be good.
(That said, Olivier killed that part desu)
I'd watch that.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>63407094
>Prince of Dorne
Really faggot?
>>63407094
>a ferengi cut-throat amoral team goes around the galaxy cheating other people show
>a klingon bird-of-prey crew goes on a bloody rampage across the galaxy. grimdark, but it works
>a rogue cardassian starts to plan a revolution to overthrow the gov'mint. Starring based Dukat and based Garak forming an uneasy but necessary alliance.
>a Maquis go rampaging in Cardassia, killing civilians and shit show. Dukat as the main villain.
Fuck yeah this shit would work.
>>63405427
Not to mention he despises Trek, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was high during the interview
>>63407160
>>a ferengi cut-throat amoral team goes around the galaxy cheating other people show
Ferengi suck at cooperation.
They're rugged individualists
>>63407160
>JJJ Trek action pew pew show
Nah, was rather thinking sci team technobabble not-Flagship of the Federation thing. Smaller, more comfy, "down-to-Earth" (pun intended) thing, much like to that one alternate crewperson Picard ep.
Ah well.
>>63407182
They in fact are very good at cooperating with one another, especially when profits are at stake. They never had any war or slavery on their homeplanet if I remember correctly.
>>63407182
They seem to work good in pairs though.
The two posing as gods on that planet.
The two abducting Lwaxana.
The two running the bar on DS9.
>>63407231
>The two posing as gods on that planet.
That is worst trek, so I disregard it
>>63407212
1. That would be a rather economy and money based show. Few pew-pews since Ferengi would rather negotiate.
2. That would be less pew-pew and more stab-stab.
3. That would be the good Homeland seasons in the Trek universe. Few pew-pews.
4. That would literally be Heart of Darkness in space.
I hate what Joo-Joo did to Trek mayne.
>>63406821
It made me sad when I found out Nana didn't like the bisexual angle they went with the intendant. That was one of her best features!
>>63407379
>post yfw you could have had a Nana/Nana lezbo scene but you never will
>>63407111
Is that Keiko???
>>63407502
Yes.
>>63407548
>>63407555
Holy hell. I always thought she was kind of a shrew but good for O'Brien
>>63407218
>Sisko's fw Quark bragged to him that Ferengi never had slavery
>>63407548
How many cardies must I kill to go home to something like this?
>>63404187
>>The Romulan who was supposed to be in charge of that just vanished after the episode they introduced it.
>He was killed on screen during his first outing.
That character was female.
>>63407669
I know I'd kill a couple of SF officers to go home to a qt half Cardie painter tbqh.
>>63408178
>tfw you will never make an enemy of Dukat by taking his daughter's virginity
>>63408314
>tfw he was already your enemy before you took her virginity
>no holodeck to safely live out horrendous mind fantasies
>no ferengi pimp to suggest lewd cyber interludes
>no academy to become rogue but talented pilot in
>no dax mommfu doctor gf to administer weekly brain medicine
>no Risa class, Federation approved, replicated, vibrating asshole
