Landis put up a video on unoriginal monster design.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ec1jRu4TPY
Interesting stuff. Robot things you're kinda stretching, but interesting stuff.
shoo shoo nerd c
>>63387948
This is Max. The video was posted way too earlier to be anyone else.
Fuck you Max, learn how to write a proper script.
>>63388093
Nah man, it popped up in my notifications and I posted it. Figured you guys would like it/throw a shitfit over this son of a childkiller.
>tfw you'll never be childhood friends with macauly culkin
>you'll never stay up late exchanging sex stories about michael jackson
>>63388093
Interesting comment. You're kind of using an ad hominem, but interesting comment.
>>63387948
I definitely agree with the grey humanoids/apes ones, I also noticed that as the most generic "monster" ever. Like a placeholder when they can't think of anything.
There's a lot of tentacle monsters, but those at least have a bit of variety, compared to the other ones.
>>63387948
Just tripfag already you fucking spergson of a chidkiller.
His high pitched voice is so stereo typically jewish Im surprised he doesnt wear those curls and a star of david necklace
Half the things under "tentacle monster" don't even have tentacles.
For instance Pacific Rim. They were specifically designed to NOT have tentacles.
>>63387948
I think the tentacle monster category should have had a slightly different name (even "Tentacle\Monster") but Landis' point still stands. Monster design has gotten really boring lately.
So his murderer daddy is paying for him to be a "pop culture critic" now that the movie thing flopped?
I like how on RLM he put up this giant defense about how he was saying Hollywood wasn't unoriginal, he was just complaining about lack of original IPs. Then he posts this shit, it's not even good. There's a shit ton of varied monster designs in his 3 minute clip.
What a douchy guy.
It's a little silly to include Gort and The Destroyer from Thor, but that's still an overwhelming amount of evidence.
I always though the arena monsters from Attack of the Clones looked pretty memorable, actually. At least the tiger with a bunch of eyes.
>>63388432
But Max Landis says it's a tentacle monster, just watch the video anon and agree with him.
>>63388432
The Godzilla monsters weren't tentacle monsters either. But anything to fill an autistic movie theory I guess
>>63387948
Can't say I agree with much of this. The humanoid thing yeah okay I guess.
But some monsters on the list don't make sense. The Kraken for instance is based on the old sea legends, which refer to a big octopus like monster, hence the name and looks.
>cloverfield is a tentacle monster
b-b-but it doesn't have tentacles...it fits more into the grey humanoid category
>>63387948
>low hanging fruit
>the music video
he even has shitty music playing
why not just have the tried and true linkin park or drowing pool songs?
have I been rused?
>>63387948
He could have made a video about the lack of distinct color palette in modern movies and achieved literally the same thing. Modern action movies are the same shit over and over again
>>63389526
I didn't really think that fucker looked human
>>63389643
Neither did I, I just said it fit more into that category than the tentacle monster category
>Max is trying to become an e-celeb movie reviewer
>>63389526
it had dick fingers tho
>>63389774
He's probably seen how much scratch they make...
>Max Landis
>thinking he has any right to talk about bad design in film
The guy is a writer. That's it.
And he thinks he's fucking Ingmar Bergman.
>>63388859
>original IPs
This is an oxymoron, idiot.
>>63389829
Is he any less qualified than any of the eceleb twats?
>>63389829
Do you even know who he is you fucker his dad can make it so that you never work in Hollywood ever again, repost this on Twitter i dare you.
why does max always act like people need to know his opinions on things?
>>63389893
No. But he's a guy in the industry, knocking potential people he could work with.
Maybe those ar ethe cheapest and easiest for cgi people to design
STop being so selfish Max
>>63387948
I wouldn't call the tentacle monsters "tentacle monsters." I think a better description is "bat-like creatures with squid mouths."
for once I agree with a point Max Landis is making
Where does this place the aliens in District 9? Since that was such an influential film on the industry.
>>63387948
A lot of this has to do rendering limitations. People figured out how to render realistic metal first. Lifelike human skin is extremely hard to render perfectly because of the warmth/color tones and the way it reflects light. Thats why there are so many dark grey/cold looking skin tones. People also figured out how to render "wet" surfaces easy, which is why there are so many scenes with big cgi monsters in the rain. Im pretty sure the Godzilla movie guys said that, word for word, in an interview somewhere.
Making everything grey and lifeless is an easy way to contrast the main characters. Every good robot in transformers is shiny and bright and colorful. By contrast, every bad guy is dark and desaturated and dull. Most movies do stuff like that, especially with robots and aliens, to show how inhuman the bad guys are. Tentacles are an easy way to show how wild and crazy something is. I think its nitpicking to say the monsters are unoriginal when its really the cheap symbolism and messages that are unoriginal. Tons of those monsters looked completely unique.
The guy cherrypicked pretty hard with some movies that had a variety of monsters too.
>>63390590
Pretty much the only informed, constructive answer in this thread
>>63387948
>signs
>grey humanoids
they're green you dumb fucking kek
>>63390590
> Every good robot in transformers is shiny and bright and colorful.
The only ones you can tell apart are Optimus and Bubblebee
>>63390847
They're not even green, they have chameleon like skin.
>>63390919
Yeah, but they're green when they're not blending in.
>>63390590
Forgot to mention one more thing about the skin rendering. Its extremely easy to go into the uncanny valley when rendering normal humans. CGI humans almost always make you think "something about this guy isnt right. they look weird and off". Naturally adding in "weird and off" things, like unnatural skin colors and odd facial features, plays off the uncanny valley in a good way. Instead of thinking creatures look like theyre fake CGI imitations, you get tricked into thinking they are creepily close to looking like humans. The uncanny valley is used to the movies advantage instead of being a flaw.
>>63387948
Max we know it's you
>>63391170
One thing where I thought the Uncanny Valley was actually beautifully used was in Tron Legacy. You'd expect a digital clone of Jeff Bridges to look...well, digital, so him looking human and at the same time inhuman was perfect. Also cemented CLU as someone who shouldn't be trusted.
Also, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but the uncanny valley in Adventures Of Tintin gave it a perfect "realistic cartoon" feel.
>Flying giant moth
>tentacle monster
What a fucking retard
>>63390143
>Grey humanoid
>Tentacle monster
If you're a dumbass like Landis, pick one.
all those monsters look different, this guys ill in the head
>>63392009
But they all have a color, and they look like monsters.
Look at the 1960s monsters, they look exactly the fucking same. They're all grey humanoids.
>>63392009
No they don't
Remember that time his father killed a man and two children, and that because he walked free, Max was conceived?
He was a good friend
>>63392081
u r an idiot too
>Landis
>interesting
pick one
>>63392081
>i'm pretending to be retarded
>>63387948
i agree with what he's saying, but he doesn't use great examples
>>63392114
Uhhh....he don't get to bring friend
>>63389829
His dad is a complete narcissist. It isn't exactly surprising when the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
>>63392167
All I see is tentacle monsters, grey humanoids, and giant brutes desu senpai.
>>63388432
yeah he shows a shot of Otachi who, while grey and glowing is not ape like or tentacle filled
>CucI< Landis trying to be relevant after the disaster that was American Ultra
>>63392387
>b-but frankenstein
>b-but RLM
a lot of those monsters were designed well before 2000s and weren't redesigned particularly differently, like complaining the Kraken has tentacles is fucking ridiculous.
or that Indie 4 has grey aliens when grey aliens are a staple of 1950s sci-fi which the movie, although poorly, was purposefully trying to invoke.
also Ultron's been a grey robot since 1968
>be professional wrestling fan
>see that max landis made a wrestling video
>'oh cool, it will be good to see someone who at least has a little bit of a mainstream voice explain the art of professional wrestling to normies'
>video is basically him praising the stupid shit like "I FUCKED UR GIRLFRIEND MAN" or "OHHH IM A SCARY DEMON MONSTER SPONSORED MOUNTAIN DEW" that makes it appeal to rednecks and dudebros
>and basically saying that the athletic storytelling is stupid and you shouldn't care about that
>>63387948
>posing about Max Landis
>>63388432
They are in the category of tenticle monsters because of their colorful mouths looking like flowers.
>>63392365
it had the tongue looking like a tenticle
they didn't do much redesign on Gort, he's a smooth grey robot - that's what he fucking is.
>>63392365
it still looks like the mutos and cloverfield monster
a lot of the tenticle monster ones are pushing it.
The rest are pretty bang on. I suppose its because of the move from puppets
>>63392225
You'd probably have a better point if you weren't so butthurt about Landis
>>63389526
some little tenticle monsters were in cloverfiels
>>63392553
that's because they're all based on reptilian designs, most monsters in general are based on animals and Pacific Rim was specifically paying homage to kaiju movies - which were predominantly monsterized animals.
it's not a trend of the 2000s that monsters are based on animals, it's been like that forever.
>>63392490
isn't that just because most orifices generally resemble one another
and flowers are just plant orifices
so really human mouths just resemble pink flowers and Pacific Rim Monster mouths resemble blue ones?
that's a bad point
>>63387948
Very stupid video. The way he classifies things is incredibly vague and could basically hold tons of creatures in it from before the 2000s, adding to that half of the monsters he has examples of don't fit the categories anyway.
Lots of those monster designs are also pretty good, so I don't get the complaining. Or is he complaining? Is he just pointing out something he notices? It's just a dumb video.
>>63387948
The Gray humanoid thing goes back aways and I think it has something to do with our perception and fear of corpses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiUlHE8cnjY
There was something I read once but couldn't tell you wear that was talking about a lot of the designs for demons or creatures in old paintings was believed to be copied from certain familiar phases of death because it naturally makes people uncomfortable.
>>63392553
Otachi's actually supposed to be an homage to Cloverfield.
so what, Sammael's awesome.
Maybe ayyy lmaos are preparing us for their appearence. Many aliens in modern movies are humpback
The Thing prequel was supposed to have a unique monster but they canceled it
>>63392763
also the Thing having tentacles comes from the 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muYFZVj-kDY
>>63392727
or maybe it's just because there aren't many upright animals
>>63392676
I don't even know if Del Torro's movies count. with a few exceptions they all share many similar design themes but they're all being designed by pretty much the same guy. Which might be a good question for OP's video is how many creature designers worked on all these projects and if there is any overlap.
>>63392797
The original thing was supposed to have 3 eyes. But we rarely see something with 3 eyes or limbs in the movies.
>>63391371
I would agree with you if I thought that CLU being so uncanny valley was intentional.
I don't think it was, simply because they also used the CG Jeff Bridges for the flashbacks.
>>63389824
>using scratch as a term for money
>not realizing it's meant as a term for a lack of money
you're either in california or you're just plain dumb.
>>63392638
>The Gray humanoid thing goes back aways
Was thinking this the entire time, that shit is literally centuries if not millennia old (are ghosts humanoid and grey?). The entire video is grasping
>>63392871
Kind of glad. I don't know that I've ever seen forehead eye done convincingly. Maybe if you make the torso completely animatronic. but then (especially in the 80's) full body scenes where you need a guy in a suit still look like shit even if it's far off.
>>63392861
a lot of Del Toro movies are designed by Guy Davis and Wayne Barlowe - the one in your picture by Barlowe is easily identifiable because he likes that style of head.
Why there are not a single one avian looking alien or monster? Birds are not scary?
>>63387948
Most of them aren't grey, they're just muted colors. Most of the Del Torro monsters look more amphibian/reptilian, which are often times muted colors, especially if they are predators.
>>63393052
>Implying
>>63393052
birds are subconsciously recognized as heroic, bro.
>bu bu but a bird nicked me once when i was a kid and never forgot that cunt bird
Yeah there's more than a lot of underwhelming and samey creature design in popular movies. Forms get repeated and reused either because of reliance on software like MASSIVE (used for rendering large groups like in I Robot) or just cost saving in general. Del Toro talks about in designing a creature well you want to give it a dynamic silhouette, focusing on a certain aspect in scene x and then a different quality in the reveal of scene y or some such.
>pic related
>>63393052
>soft, fluffy feathers
>scary/intimidating
>>63393087
nice grey tentacle monster, bro
>>63393122
thanks man
>>63393087
I wish there were more designers like Giger.
That crazy swiss bastard.
>>63393097
If birds on a distant planet evolve into sapient aliens they can be brutal and cold-blooded.
>>63393260
Exactly what we need is a new Giger. Someone with a unique vision that haunts himself not predicated on anything else existing. Someone with a vision so distinct and new that it changes the entire feel of a genre for years with ripples touching works decades out.
What Giger brought was so different from anything before; that's what we need.
At least this thing was bright red
>>63387948
Literally name ONE (1) SINGLE monster that does NOT fit into those 3 categories, right tf now, you pretentious douchebag.
>>63393424
A Thanagarian snare beast.
>>63393384
I don't know much about art. Are there any good modern surrealist directors should consider when it comes to monster design?
>>63387948
Fuck off with this queer you fucking queer
where are the tight monsters
>>63393384
The problem is that studios these days mostly just use art school illustrators who are doing "just a job". They create tons of designs and then collaborate via committee and slowly combine elements to create something "original".
Few visionary artists and monster makers exist anymore. If they do, the studios certainly don't care. Just use a bunch of 20 somethings to make a generic beastie.
>>63393481
Ask your mother.
>>63393427
Whaaat the fuck was that
>>63393384
we also need a new rob bottin, or at least more of an emphasis on his brand of in-camera fx
>>63393571
xtro 1982
>>63387948
Think of how many movies have a fight with a grey robot monster thing...
Iron Man
Iron Man II
Avengers
Thor
Wolverine Origins
Avengers 2
Amazing Spider Man (Rhino)
Shredder in new Turtles
Transformers (all of them)
GREY
>>63393424
this
The point of a monster is to be scary and there's only so many features humans find frightening. Surprised he didn't mention size, voice pitch, eye shape, or sex since those things also factor in, though I guess are held constant regardless of film decade.
Also, notice how literally all robot monsters nowadays make the "BRRRRN" dubstep foghorn sound because if they made "beep boop" sounds they wouldn't be scary. I'd love it if someone edited a bunch of movies and made the robots have realistic sounds.
Hey guys did you ever notice how movie monsters nowadays always fit into 1 of these 3 categories: A living creature. A robot. Something else.
Jesus Christ Hollywood, get your shit together.
>>63393974
>Also, notice how literally all robot monsters nowadays make the "BRRRRN" dubstep foghorn sound
I was just about to post how all monsters and robots make the same weird chittery noises. Sometimes high pitched chittery noises, sometimes deep chittery noises, but always chittery.
>>63392365
What video game is this from?
>guise monster design is so unoriginal and bad
>posts a video with unique and interesting monster designs
The tentacle monster category is insanely fucking retarded, it's just an excuse to write off all of the actually unique modern monsters. Many of them didn't even have tentacles.
Some things in this video are also much older than the 2000s (the day the earth stood still, grey aliens)
perhaps all monster designs have been done and all that is left are variations
>>63394337
maybe its a luck of imagination.
>>63393601
nice tentacle monster, bro
>>63393393
it does look exactly like cloverfield/super 8 though
>>63387948
>this song
it's like i'm listening to a modern rock station in 2002
>>63393297
that's pretty much most living things in the wild, though
>>63393424
>>63393974
>2015
>caring only about burgerland films and tv shows
>>63393424
What about something quadrupedal? I mean, even if all of the monsters shown are pretty diverse, they're generally either on 2 legs, a shitload of legs, or no legs at all.
![Pan's.Labyrinth.2006.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264.D-Z0N3.mkv_snapshot_01.00.00_[2015.03.11_14.22.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mVNl6W9.jpg "Pan's.Labyrinth.2006.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264.D-Z0N3.mkv_snapshot_01.00.00_[2015.03.11_14.22.48].jpg")
>>63393424
still a dumb video though
>>63387948
I think he explains himself really badly when it comes to tentacle monsters, which badly undermines his point because people just think that anything is a tentacle monster according to him. Two other points, putting all of the grey humanoids together, apelike bruisers together, etc in the video would have made the similarities more obvious, and a lot of clips don't really give a good look at the monster, so instead using still images, maybe concept art, and identifying and drawing lines to the relevant characteristics would have made his point better. Also I think that providing examples of monsters that do not fit these three categories would have been good. I think that he's largely right, but it's very difficult to understand, especially for a casual viewer.
>>63395812
i think he just made broad generalizations without contextualizing anything to get a rise out of people
>>63393424
Godzilla, and most other Godzilla monsters.
>>63395792
>muh grey humanoids :^))))fucking dumb video
>>63396006
he's not grey, he's white - his name is PALE Man.
>>63393442
Gorignak
FUCK OFF MAX STOP TRYING TO FIT IN
YOU'RE A RICH HOLLYWOOD ASSHOLE
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CINEMA
YOU'RE AN ATTENTION WHORING NORMIE
Raiju's a fucking shark, why is he in there
>>63387948
Is this lex luthor in his private persona?
it'd be ironic if the first monster in his syfy series is a grey humanoid with tentacles
>>63387948
I'm getting a ketamine abuser vibe from him.
>>63396234
Honestly, if Max Landis went into film criticism I would respect him. He would be one of the extreme FEW who actually made a movie, like Roger Ebert did. If he can make more money doing Youtube videos then God bless him I think.
Also do another movie fights you hipster twat.
>>63396329
I don't know how in the fuck you can tell the Pacific Rim monsters apart
>>63388179
Learn what words mean before you spout them
Hopefully RLM make him a regular on best of the worst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSYKd4nVno8
BTFO
>>63387948
at least he has good music taste
