Anyone have a hard gut feeling that this movie is just going to be incredibly bland? I don't think it's going to be outright bad like the prequels. There probably won't be much terrible dialogue to meme over or terrible characters to hate. I don't think it will be great either. I bet its going to be an OK but completely bland and unmemorable film.
>>63318617
All it needs to do is be better than the prequels, and you'll see a 96% at least.
>>63318654
Tbh I think it's going to be as good as the new star trek movies. I kind of liked them but they are pretty unmemorable and irrelevant in retrospect. I only like the star wars prequels because of how bad they all were. I actually hated them but I've gotten immense enjoyment from the sheer amount of shit talking material it gave me to work with. The only thing that even comes close is the airplane scene in batman, and that's just a ten minute scene.
It's a JJ Abrams movie which pretty much means it will be completely forgetable.
I bet it'll be great.
Also, Kylo will steak the show no doubt.
Boyega and Rey will be bland as fuck though.
>>63318886
Into Darkness was pretty bad imo, but not prequels-tier.
Abrams has a lot to live up to, and from what I can tell he's taking that seriously.
>>63318886
it's actually going to re-use dialogue from the Star Trek films - the "I can do this, I can do this!" where Chekov is trying to beam a falling Kirk to be precise - it can be heard in one of the clips where Boyega and Daisy are trying to jumpstart the Falcon or something.
That's the level of creativity I expect.
>>63319044
checked and this desu family
I have a hard gut feeling that redchannit has made every piece of entertainment feel incredibly bland. You are all ads or incredibly mentally ill.
>>63319106
What would you use in place of that line?
>I CAN START THIS FALCON (TM) *Available in Lego and Hasbro sets at all good toy stores fall 2015.
>>63318617
it'll be like Jurassic World
a movie that has no reason to exist and one that spends most of its time pandering to fans in the audience with explicit reminders of the movies they loved growing up
>>63318617
Pretty much. There's probably gonna be a lot of heavy handed emotional stuff but nothing that will actually stick with you after the movie is over. It's about selling you a brand and everything else is secondary to that.
>>63318617
>rehashing the old trilogy story
wow gr8 movie
So far, all the trailers have been pretty great, but what's gotten me the most hype for this is the Comic Con reel.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNJ51ghzdY
It looks like they're putting passion and effort into making this the best it can be in this video.
>>63318617
Obviously mate.
Disney don't want a 9/10 movie that will appeal to people that know what a good movie is.
They want an inoffensive 6/10 that everyone will like.
That's the primary reason they hired Jew Jew. He specialises in average, forgettable shit.
>liking a children's movie made by the walt disney corporation
shiggydiggy
>>63319279
Remember those behind the scenes videos from The Hobbit?
>>63319298
>appeal to people that know what a good movie is.
What is subjective taste
>>63318617
It's going to be better than the prequels, so it won't be a huge dissapointment. On the other hand, the prequels didn't put the bar high up
>>63318617
Yes. I'm still going to see it tho, senpai.
>>63319333
Yeah, but The Hobbit was rushed as all fuck. They took their time with this one, and I feel like that's gonna pay off in the long run.
>>63318617
You mean like the original trilogy?
Yeah, children will like it and one day they'll be nostalgic over it because of social conditioning.
The thing is, if it's like A New Hope, it probably will be kind of boring. And I say that as a massive Star Wars fan. I genuinely love the prequels even. But after seeing it hundreds of times, I've found A New Hope to be hard to sit through which is a problem I don't have with the rest. It's ultimately the least interesting film in the series, which is an odd thing to say because it's what got me to fall in love with the franchise to begin with. It's certainly not bad, just kind of dull compared to the rest. I think The Force Awakens will be good, but if it sticks too closely with A New Hope's structure, pace, and tone, it probably will be a bit disappointing.
>Hamill revealed that he wished fans would "relax" about the upcoming movie. "We're not trying to play games with people," he said when talking about the amount of security that surrounded the making of J.J. Abrams' revival of the space fantasy series. "We just want to maximize their experience at the movies where it should be seen and not have it leaked over the Internet. Believe me, it will be here before you know it.He went on to suggest that the audience should "forget about it [and] look forward to all the summer movies," adding, "I'm telling you, it's just a movie. These people that build it up in their minds like it's going to be the second coming of, I don't know what — they're bound to be disappointed.
You are part of the cancer.
>>63319164
>how would you write this line of dialogue in a movie by professional screenwriters and directors
I would write a line of dialogue, not just reuse one from one of my earlier movies.
>>63319400
after rewatching some of Phantom Menace recently for the first time since I saw it in a theater I am just stunned that there are people who love those prequels if they didn't grow up watching them as children. they are just unbelievably astonishingly terrible.
>>63319298
Fixed it for you
>Disney want a movie trilogy that will make billions in toy sales and other merchandising over the next 6 or 8 years
>>63319394
>they took their time
the script was written in 3 months and they started shooting before it was finished
>>63319333
The one where Ian McKellan breaks down crying?
>>63319279
>It looks like they're putting passion and effort into making this the best it can be in this video.
LOL
>>63319481
Cite?
>>63319488
Well, that one was release after.
>>63319298
if Disney knew how to make something that would stay in theatres for months like Titanic/Avatar they would. but they don't.
the diachotomy between quality and popularity is a myth.
>>63319182
This, I didn't think of Jurassic World. I went and saw it and they didn't put out a bad movie. That being said the only thing I remember about it is there being enough references to remind me I liked Jurassic Park, those clear ball roller things, and a white made up dinosaur at the end that fights t-rex. I don't remember the characters at all. It was an enjoyable bland movie that really didn't have to be made.
>>63318617
That's exactly what I think it will be. It will be like the marvel movies, bland unmemorable movies but not absolutely terrible. I would honestly prefer it to be terrible though, so ripping on it would be more fun.
>>63319525
>diachotomy
>he uses words he doesn't quite understand
>>63318617
I think every non-fan thinks this. It's going to be really safe and inoffensive.
>>63319525
are you implying Titanic is good?
it's a gigantic piece of shit.
>>63319734
> piece of shit
> Lifetime domestic gross $658,672,302
Cry some more, senpai.
>>63319400
I'm an older fellow who enjoys the prequels and I agree you don't want TFA to be a retread of the first. Can't it be a fresh an exciting new chapter of star wars like we wanted?
Did you not read the plot? It's safe, it's bland, it's forgettable
>>63319728
So what do hardcore fans think? I like the originals because they make me nostalgia and I had all the toys growing up. I guess I'm from the special edition generation. I've outgrown star wars though but I still like it. Prequels made me move on but for some reason my little cousins love them since its what they grew up with and had the toys they played with. Anyway, just wondering what these hardcore fans expect. I mean star wars hasn't been sacred for decades, lots of return of the Jedi was pretty bad.
>>63319400
The space dogfights seem to have gotten better in every movie as the technology advanced, so at the very least the action scenes will be entertaining. As long as the CGI is mostly kept to action scenes, and the dialogue isn't as bad as the prequels (which can't be THAT difficult), it should be a decent movie. JJ saying that he's gone for the more traditional 'lightsabers have weight like swords' approach gives me hope, since we finally get to see what that might be like in a fight where one person isn't restricted by a suit of armor like Vader. I'm looking forward to the movie.
>>63319798
do you actually like it?
it's unbelievably terrible
the script is such shit
>>63319525
Don't talk shit
The top 20 grossing movies, in order are:
>Avatar,
>Titanic,
>Jurassic World,
>Avengers,
>Furious 7,
>Avengers 2,
>Harry Potter: Deathly Hallows
>Frozen,
>Iron Man 3,
>Minions,
>Transformers: Dark of the Moon,
>LOTR: The Return of the King,
>Skyfall,
>Transformers: Age of Extinction,
>TDKR,
>Pirates 3,
>Toy Story 3,
>Pirates 4,
>Jurassic Park,
>Phantom Menace
Look at all those fucking classics.
>>63320188
>Minions
>Transformers
>Avengers
We brought this upon ourselves.
>>63318617
>Cast a black guy in order to appeal to a producers's whim, even knowing this may damage its standing in asian markets.
>Choose a mostly british main cast for a movie without realising the rest of the world let alone americans wont understand.
>Not expecting it to be awkward 20 years later when the whole british accent fad passes.
>Forcefully put in old tropes in order to rope people on pure nostalgia, Vader 2.0.
>Shill the movie on tv constantly, hoping that the boyega and horse teeth wont fuck it up
>Still not gross over Titanic
>calmly watch as space indians 2 grosses over 5 gajillion
>>63318617
I have a feeling that this film will achieve nothing while trying too hard.
Truth be told nothing can live up to the hype that was generated. Disney fucked up really bad.
>>63320188
Skyfall did this well?
I guess spectre is a double blunder now.
>>63318617
I have been thinking the same thing, disney are bland motherfuckers that do not want to rock the boat, they want all the casual fucks hapy so entire families can go see their movie
>>63318617
Bland with a big side of cultural marxism and "subtle" leftist propaganda
all you fuckers will go to see it anyway.
i won't. just like i avoided mad max and jurassic world. enjoy your shit movie.
>>63320267
>the rest of the world let alone americans
The rest of the world is watching a dubbed version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC18mrZJYao
>>63320188
>not adjusting for inflation
that list is used by the media so that they can keep claiming modern movies are the most successful of all time.
really Gone With The Wind is still #1
>>63320287
Hype trains are generated all the time, most of them don't live up. It'll be decent, I hope, but I can only imagine what the energy in the theater's gonna be like.
>inb4 shooter
It's all about how the crowd feels in a theater like that.
>>63319106
To be fair, "I can do this, I can do this" has been around since essentially The Little Engine that Could.
>>63320330
Will do. Enjoy your shit posting.
>>63318617
No, I've done more reading about this movie before it's release than I have any other. A LOT of care has been put into this. Every movie after this one will be pretty average though.
>>63320350
The inflation figures mean nothing in the context of Disney trying to make an inoffensive forgettable movie (just like most of those movies) to make a shitload of money for this one and the 18 to follow.
Cinema goers haven't been patrician since the 70s.
>>63320372
that was "I think I can I think I can".
the wording does matter if they are going to repeat it like a meme. I get that the situation is not unique but writing is all about finding a fresh approach to typical situations and in this case they didn't bother, because the script was cranked out and didn't exist before the deal to buy Star Wars. Disney has to start making it's $4.5bill back ASAP.
>>63319456
i rewatched the first prequel and the podrace at least was pretty fun, and the woman who plays anakin's mom is better looking than i remembered
Is there a single entertainment franchise with more hype than a new star wars movie? I'm thinking and seriously can't think of anything that comes close.
>>63320463
Their idea of "care" has been put into it.
Using practical effects and locations doesn't mean you've made a good movie. It's the bare minimum expected. The LotR practical effects and care only contribute to the trilogy being good because the source material, the script, the director, the vision and the actors were fantastic.
These movies are a reskin of the originals with JJ desperate to reminder everyone that, "guys, guys this is real sand; this is a real alien costume!!!".
>>63320486
1) Inoffensive forgettable movies isn't what makes the top of the adjusted for inflation list.
2) Disney didn't want to make an inoffensive forgettable movie if it would make less than Avatar/Titanic/etc.
3) There's a movie from every decade on the list. The idea that audiences have suddenly become retarded is just pathetic contrarianism.
Quality DOES appeal to "the mainstream" if done right. The fact is that Disney would love to make a Real Star Wars Film but have no idea how to do it and didn't have time to try. They won't make as much money as they could have as a result.
I dont think its gonna be bland or generic OP but it wont try much of anything "new". It will be good old star wars adventure like the OT just to get people back on board for the weirder shit in 8-9 (Rian Johnson writing both) and side projects.
>>63319939
I'm a massive Star Wars fan (not as much as I used to be, but still). Movies, books games, you name it. There was a period of time in my life where I consumed basically every piece of Star Wars related media I could get my hands on. Now as I said I'm not nearly as obsessive as I used to be, but it still holds a special place in my heart.
I'm not hyped at all. I'm probably going to end up seeing it in theatres multiple times, and I'll probably enjoy it while I'm watching it but I don't expect it to be particularly memorable or interesting. Someone earlier in the thread shared a similar opinion to mine: I expect it to be like the new Star Trek movies. Enjoyable while watching, but ultimately forgettable.
I'd honestly rather it end up being prequel-tier dog shit, because then I'll at least have a reason to talk about it and deconstruct it for a few years after release.
>>63320341
god no, fucking dubs.
i bet its the french they always do this type of shit it always ruing the pacing of the movie.
>>63320615
hype was the explanation offered when Avatar took a shit on all the records, but a lot of that was while the film was in cinemas. Star Wars is much more pervasive and the movie isn't even out.
Why is modus operandi here to not be excited for something? Are we truly that afraid of disappointment?
>>63320734
>I'm not hyped at all. I'm probably going to end up seeing it in theatres multiple times
do you feel like a zombie sleepwalking through life?
>>63320734
>I'm not hyped at all. I'm probably going to end up seeing it in theatres multiple times, and I'll probably enjoy it while I'm watching it but I don't expect it to be particularly memorable or interesting.
Star Wars fans everybody
>>63320794
Not him, but that's a relatable feel.
>I-I'm here for the girl!
>>63320794
>>63320795
Reasons: my friends want to see it, I'll watch it with them. My family also wants to see it, and we go to a movie every year on Christmas, so I'll see it with them as well.
>>63320692
they are just getting the ball rolling with this entry. revive the franchise without taking any unnecessary risks(enter JJ, the safe better's director) and let the brand name do all the heavy lifting. the next movie after this one will be the make-or-break moment for the SW/Disney franchise that's when they'll try to make a good movie if they're going to try at all
>>63320782
We have to hate what others like in order to differentiate us from any of the other forum-like websites.
If we don't, we'll be the same as...well, y'know.
>>63320486
Fuck you man Deer hunter sucked! It had plot! It had characters! An amazing storyline!
Dont you WANT greenscreens?
SAY IT WITH ME
>GREENSCREENS!
>>63320870
You sound much more insecure than the people you're trying to mock
>>63320734
I feel you, I remember when i was younger i would read everything and constantly look up articles on wookiepedia and such, playing every game.
Im not even a little excited for this one, i remember asking my dad who used to be a pretty big star wars fan himself back in the day about the trailer and his response could summed up to, "it looks cool, i guess"
My main issue is that it seems to have way too many important characters
> Oscar Isaac's Pilot
> Daisy Ridley's young jedi
> Bodega as rebel who dies
> Han
> Leia
> Luke for a bit
> Kylo
> Gwendoline as bounty hunter
> Donald Gleeson's character
> Max von Syndow's character
>>63320985
Sounds exactly like my dad. He's one of the biggest Star Wars fans I know, he introduced me to the movies when I was super young and can quote practically any line in the original trilogy (and he does all the time). I've barely heard him mention the upcoming movie at all.
>>63320863
same anon here. I think this movie will be a setup to a glorified cliffhanger: the reason the good guys are called The Resistance is because that's what they're going to be in the series moving forward. the Starkiller Base obviously won't be destroyed, something resembling the Empire will be re-established, etc. they're going to spread Episode IV over all three movies lol.
but my point stands: that's not how you get the big money. that's a good formula for $1.6 billion and I'm sure Disney will get it. the cognitivie dissonance in discussions about Star Wars is you have a bunch of fanboys who've totally forgotten the scale of the original film's success: even the BOX OFFICE of the new movies is going to be a nostalgic shadow of the original.
it's just like "yay there is a Star Wars-like film I guess". I don't think making a genuinely good movie is ever really going to be an option because of the approach Disney have used.
>>63320912
I'm having difficulty coming up with another reason why we so singlemindedly focus on that website.
It seems logical.
>>63320782
Actually yes.Being a customer somehow became a boring lifeless chore where you just hope your favourite movie or game wont have an experimental jew director, a money grubbing studio changing plot or constant audience tests.
I used to be a gamer and now i play fucking yu gi oh and crusader.
>>63320861
what if after you see it with the first group you discover it's rubbish? do you just mindlessly pay for more tickets or actually go "hey guys maybe we should check out the Tarantino film"
>>63320939
Fuck, I just watched that about 25 times and laughed the whole time. What's wrong with me.
>>63320870
Thanks for being honest. This is what I'm thinking. I think it's also a lot more fun to disparage than hate. Lot more lols in hate. But pre-emptive disgust for something that we know, when we're in theatres, until the moment we come back to the forum... anyone here who is saying they aren't excited or bashing it, are absolutely full of shit. We've been giving nothing to feel that way. You're lying and pandering to the /tv/ complain train.
>>63318617
Depends on where your expectations are. I set mine right above Revenge of the Sith. If it's worse than that Disney has serious problems coming their way. It's Disney & JJ Abrams I am not expecting some out of the box crazy film that is going to blow me away. I'm expected a well-made by the numbers summer blockbuster with a star wars coat of paint and some fun familiar characters. All I want, all I need.
>>63321089
Just go back to whatever board or site you came from. It'll be good as we have too many teens here now already
>>63321160
nonsense. there are a large number of objective reasons to think the movie is going to be not worth the price of a ticket. it's not hate, it's basic deduction.
>>63320524
Good thing it's already at least halfway there with merchandising alone.
The thing is "I can do this" isn't exactly a moment to make a fresh approach. "I think I can" is basically the only other way to do it, and that's long past cliché.
Would you rather the character say "I have no idea what I'm doing!" like a meme cat, or an MCUesque one-liner?
Judging an entire screenplay on one line from a scene that wasn't even intended for dialogue other than a brief self-peptalk is pretty damned silly, anon.
There are other, better targets if you're gonna pick it apart.
>>63320692
>3) There's a movie from every decade on the list. The idea that audiences have suddenly become retarded is just pathetic contrarianism.
You're talking bullshit man. Audiences have a taste for capeshit and the like. The masses don't want to be challenged or surprised anymore. Big movies are now made with spreadsheets and surveys. It's been that way since Lucas and Spielberg reinvented the summer blockbuster. The difference between the tent pole movies and the rest is getting bigger and bigger with every year. Spielberg even discussed that recently.
The Godfather was a blockbuster of its time.
You can't seriously tell me that you think that kind of film, if released today, would stand up economically to the capeshit. It doesn't matter how good it is.
>>63321173
question: would you rate Jurassic World above or below Revenge of the Sith? to provide a baseline comparison between incompetence and blandness.
>>63321223
>objective
All reasons to dislike a film are subjective.
>>63321196
I've been here since around 2009. That's the conclusion I've come to.
>>63321223
If there's one movie to *EVER* get excited for, it's this one. I guess... the more hype the more anti-hype here. To be expected. But all these "objective reasons" are of inconsequence when you sit down in the theatre and shit goes down. You will not go into that theatre *and you fucking will go* thinking "muh objective reasons". No, you're gonna see laser swords and blasters and Han Solo and be staring like a doe-eyed baby.
>>63321252
>Judging an entire screenplay on one line from a scene
it being from a previous film means the director was literally just having to improvise scenes on-set, on the day. it's a solid criticism to make assuming you are actually still hoping for a "good" movie as opposed to a series of Star Wars-referencing scenes.
>>63321264
Not him but Jurassic world was a better movie. I completely expect new star wars to be equal to Jurassic world. Pure 7/10.
>>63320188
wtf is pirates?
>>63321150
If I'm going with my family, I'm getting my parents to pay for it :^)
>>63321336
It doesn't mean that; it suggests that.
For all we really know it was a Kasdan written scene. It's such a monumentally common line. Fuck, I'm pretty sure I've even heard it in Pagemaster.
>>63321264
We're just diving into subjective qualities at that point. I think Jurassic World is a better made movie than Revenge of the Sith, it's better shot, the effects are used in a more reasonable way, the actors have been given some direction, the dialogue (while bad) isn't so bad it's funny, the movie isn't suffering from tonal dissonance every 5 minutes, etc... But it won't be remembered as long as Revenge of the Sith, part of that due to the fact that Star Wars is just a franchise that lends itself to multimedia more, and part of that is that the film was so disappointing and strange that it sticks in your head.
Jurassic World is a classic example of film as a product. It was designed to check all the boxes and entertain people for 2 hours. I'm not exactly sure if I'd call it bland, it did plenty of strange things ranging from some brutal on-screen deaths to bizairee character actions ( the park CEO suddenly becoming an action-movie helicopter pilot ), and the hilariously stupid dinosaur team-up fight at the end that might as well have been a re-skinned WWE tag-team match.
To answer your question Jurassic World would be above Revenge of the Sith.
>>63321261
the issue is that cinemas are becoming redundant tech, not that audience tastes have changed.
no individual success can be taken out of its time: that's the point - they are OF THEIR TIME.
The Force Awakens is of 1977, not of 2015. it's a relic and Disney are making no attempt (beyond casting) to update it.
>>63321305
we haven't seen the film. I said "reasons to think the movie is not going to be worth the price of a ticket".
as in, it's been made by people who neither knew how to make a good film nor had time to try properly. it's possible to be objective about those things because they are based on available information.
>>63321305
Stop talking shit.
>>63321444
You've never heard of the Pirates series from the 60s?
>>63321444
The only Monkey Island film franchise we'll ever get.
>>63321313
for non-fanboys, movies don't happen in our heads when we sit in a cinema. they're on screen and can be compared with every other film we've seen instead of us suspending critical thinking the moment we hear Star Wars music.
>>63320188
>Pirates 4 did better than Pirates 1 and 2
Fuck everything. At least Pirates 3 beat it.
>>63321466
>it was a Kasdan written scene
the delivery was the same as in the JJ Star Trek reboot brah.
I'm sure it was to replace something in Kasdan's script, but that's not exactly a promising sign is it?
All you have to ask yourself is if jj has ever directed a good movie. The answer? Nope. It's going to be bad.
>>63321594
Kek, a monkey island all CGI cartoon might be fucking hilarious. I'd greenlight it.
>>63318617
No because all the evidence points to them basically rebooting the series with reskins of ANH and ESB.
Say what you will of the prequels but at least Lucas wasn't afraid to take risks. He failed in some respects but he wasn't retelling the same story.
OT: Fallout 1/2.
PT: Fallout: Tactics.
ST: Fallout 3/4
>>63321701
Star Trek 2009 was pretty far from terrible the only people who seemed to dislike it is the Trekkies, the kid of people who give Star Trek V and Nemesis a pass.
Super 8 was also pretty inoffensive, just ET if ET was an asshole who ate people.
>>63321701
bad is a strong word.
A would rather say: oblivious.
You will watch the movie while your brain will remember ancient instincts of foraging for berries and hiding from predators. Then you'll go "it was okay" i guess.
>>63321749
They were pretty original, I'll give him that. However the forced references to the original trilogy completely negates it.
>>63321681
JJ is credited as co-writer. Kasdan's treatment of the scene was probably just a description without any lines at all. JJ's a sucker for giving into temptation. After all, it's not like this is directed by somebody who's not JJ Abrams. Why would you expect more than what he'll inevitably deliver? I for one am just thankful that Damon Lindelof's name isn't on this.
Sure, you could say I'm polishing a turd, but I'm arguing that what JJ's doing isn't even a turd. It's a generic brand ham sandwich that probably won't fuck up your bowels.
Lindelof would've eaten the ham and regurgitated it one way or another.
>>63321749
>Lucas wasn't afraid to take risks.
Is that why almost everything in the prequels is some kind of blatant callback to the OT? The only thing Lucas took risks on what actual stupid shit like midi-chlorians, jar jar binks, high ground, goofy racist stereotype aliens, and silly droids.
The prequels were anything but some bastion of fresh new ideas, it was all recycled shit from the originals like all jedi wearing tatooine moisture farmer robes, all sith being named "darth" etc...
>>63321783
Yeah, I can remembering seeing Regarding Henry for the first time as a kid and thinking, "I could've written this!" Now I see it as kind of a ripoff of Robert Bolt's TV movie, "Without Warning: The James Brady Story"
Of course, you can't harp on someone for borrowing from other scripts, but this next SW flick needs some good ideas, not just a little controversy.
>>63319182
My main gripe with the new jurassic movie was where they kept on hinting they had put spliced some DNA from another source and they built it up for a reveal and it turned out to be just velociraptor DNA. I was thinking they were going to say they had used human DNA and that's why it's so smart and would have been a "oh wow" moment rather than oh it has velociraptor DNA, meh
>>63321889
what has been lindeloff been doing recently
>>63321783
The only movie JJ did that was actively bad was Into Darkness, and when you look at the preproduction, you'd know that A.)Lindelof was in charge of the script (a first and hopefully last time that mistake is made), and B.) JJ didn't want to direct it in the first place.
>>63321921
I'm not convinced that the new ideas, if any are in the trailers. The trailers just seem to be full of "hey you remember this shit you loved?"
Regardless I am not expecting anything terribly new or challenging from this movie. Disney paid $4.4bn for this shit and need to restart Star Wars with a solid hit, this isn't the place to take risks. Those standalone movies however could be pretty interesting.
>>63321931
He's recently been hard at work ruining Brad Bird's career. He fucked his Tomorrowland script's shit up.
Normies will squeal at the references and Star Wars shit, but we shouldn't be surprised if the movie is crap
>>63322011
ahahah fucking gold
he's basically a walking land mine at this point kek
>>63321931
The leftovers
>>63319333
Trips dont lie
Star Wars 7 is more shit and rushed than most people suspect.
That's also why they released so much merchandise and so many toys already, because they know it's mediocre and people wont buy as much after watching it.
>>63322254
>That's also why they released so much merchandise and so many toys already, because they know it's mediocre and people wont buy as much after watching it.
That's actually a pretty bad example. The real reason they're releasing so much merchandise is because it will absolutely sell.
Even if this were the next Godfather they'd still roll out the merch just as hard.
>>63321916
What you're saying isn't highly original or thought out to be honest.
>>63322011
>Tomorrowland
the problem with that was that it was a live-action Pixar film where all the actors behaved exactly like animated Pixar characters. Why anyone thought that woudl work is beyond me, Brad Bird almost definitely fucked it up himself.
Star wars is so overhyped that even a best case scenario would be a disappointment. Hell even the original source material is a disappointment compared to the hype. Congratulations you fucking autistic nerds, you did this
>>63322039
I swear they just hire him now to sabotage movies and/or careers they don't want to succeed for whatever passive aggressive reason.
Lindelof, being a friend of JJ's, was gonna be on board for Force Awakens, and the producer promptly shot his ass down.
>>63318617
His Star Trek movie was 2 hours of pointless and stultifying violence. He wants to be the new Spielberg but he's closer to Michael Bay
Seriously I watched that movie at cinema and I didn't even remember it had a bad guy
>>63322402
He almost definitely didn't.
Lindelof is screenwriting poison, and you could tell the difference between a Lindelof scene and a Bird scene.
Bird is no stranger to directing live action; his Mission Impossible movie wasn't nearly as bad as Tomorrowland.
>>63318617
It will be a whole lot of nothing until Luke shows up at the very end. If that happens, I'll be disappointed, but it won't stop me from watching Ep8.
>>63322508
>Bird is no stranger to directing live action
I know, but in this case he very specifically directed the actors to behave like Pixar characters. It wasn't an issue with the dialogue.
Lindelof was probably brought in to make the script BETTER believe it or not.
>>63322520
I don't think anything this movie'll do will stop me from watching ep 8. Even if it sucks, Abrams took the OT Lucas approach and won't be directing sequels.
>>63322590
>lindelof
>making the script better
Name one movie with Lindelof as a writer that wasn't fucked one way or another.
On second thought I might as well just list off every major motion picture he's written/co-written
>Cowboys & Aliens
>Prometheus
>Star Trek: Into Darkness
>World War Z
>Tomorrowland
He should've stuck with television.
>>63322458
whew, close.
the producer fucking knew it kek.
but seriously the man is just dangerous at this point but somehow completely oblivious to it.
>>63322499
>not remembering Nero
Anon, you may have early onset Alzheimer's.
I reckon it'll be better than I expect, but I'm trying not to get hyped for it. It does seem a little bit too predictable though, part of me feels like I'm not going to be surprised that much story wise.
>>63322839
Is that the Picard clone?
>>63321916
Try getting your butthurt checked out before you talk next time. You might actually realize how wrong you are for once.
>>63323281
What the fuck is a picard?
I wonder how many times
>the camera spins down a hallway -EPIC!!!
>the villain screams at the good guys and the scene hard cuts -WHOA HE'S MAD!!
>ships break apart rather than explode -SO FUCKING REALISTIC!!!!!!!!
>all male characters are cardboard cut outs, females are headstrong and opinionated -PROGRESS X100!!!
>>63323380
I honestly can't tell if this is b8
>>63320188
Hold up.. Jurassic World is number 3? Since fucking when? It was just a dumb 4th sequel in a long dead franchise, right? This is blowing my mind
>>63323463
What's wrong with ships breaking apart instead of exploding?
I see all your other points, but seriously, what's the problem with that one?
>>63321010
>Bodega who dies
>>63322015
I can see it now:
>ZOMG HAN SAID A CALLBACK TO THE OT AND I GOT IT, SUCH A NERD XD, HAHA
>I NOTICED THE ENEMY'S SPACE STATION LOOKED LIKE THE DEATH STAR, I'M SUCH A GEEK
>I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THAT BUT THAT WAS A JOKE ABOUT THE PREQUELS? YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF YOU WEREN'T A NERD LIKE ME
December is going to be a long month
>>63318617
I honestly doubt they're going to TRY to make it great. They want to make it mediore-good in order to be just better than the prequels, but not so good that it's too hard an act to follow.
>read the leaked plot
>it's just safe and predictable
The hype was killed in me before this but now I don't even care if I ever see it
>>63321010
Poe "dies" early in the movie but then the stormtroopers just find an empty tie fighter where his body should be
He'll be back in the next few movies along with Luke. This movie is the Han/Rey show.
>>63319182
This is what I fear the most.
>>63318617
His sole purpose is to wrecked by Rey, so he will be lame, because we know that Rey, as a woman, doesn't have to struggle or worry about being in danger. She will defeat him and send him running, then say something like "which one of you men is next?!" Screencap this.
>>63324329
She fights off a bunch of stormtroopers with her staff
She starts the Falcon and escapes the planet despite never being in it
Her resisting Kylo trying to rip information from her mind I don't care since Leia did it, but I do find it stupid since it's just rehashing A New Hope
Her keeping up with Kylo in a lightsaber fight is just plain stupid.
>>63324065
What killed it for me was the third deathstar.
I can take Boyega and Ridley as the leads, but using another fucking deathstar tells us all we need to know.
>>63324124
Oh god, we are going to get a rehash of the "look sir, droids" scene aren't we.
Let me guess: "look sir, traitors".
>>63324407
Hopefully there will be enough of a backlash to have her go through some true agony in VIII. The whole "strong, survivalist woman" thing is such horseshit, it doesn't appeal to broad audiences.
>everyone just endlessly parroting the 'it's a JJ film so its going to be bland and forgettable' line that has been floating around on /tv/ since this film was announced
It's a statement that's about 70 per cent accurate and yet everyone on this board just endlessly spams it as if it's an original and accurate prediction
>>63324514
Well if you read the plot you'd know it is in fact accurate
woah Han dies I can't bel-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>63324407
The vibe I'm getting from Kylo Ren is that he too is basically just a scrub, he probably doesn't really know how to fight with a lightsaver
>>63324618
Was he just asleep when Luke trained him? Not to mention Snoke
>>63323529
remember that unremarkable image of chris prat with the raptors photoshopped in a million unfunny ways?
reddit marketing. Just turn your movie into a meme and it sells itself.
I think the graphics will be fucking sweet.
>>63324556
Hint: The vitriolic reaction on 4chan to a lot of the production elements surrounding this film (primarily the casting of Boyega) is a symptomatic of the way the film is widely going to received in the west.
4chan's (and larger parts of the internet's) reaction is an extremist angle on the way the rest of the Anglo-sphere will react to this film.
Obviously because of the PC world we live in people won't initially outright say what the problem with this film is at first, but eventually in time (say, five or so years) it will be acknowledged as an error, and then a core problem.
The public won't be satisfied with this first film. They will nit pick initially, then settle on three or so core problems, then criticism of the Boyega casting will become acceptable, then it will become the core, mainstream criticism.
This timeline already separated The Force Awakens from the rest of JJ's filmography, and by extension means it won't line up with the reception of the rest of his films.
>>63319402
Hamill is just too based
>>63319095
Only good part about the movie will be Kylo Skywalker and Luke Skywalker.
>>63320188
>you will never see LOTR:ROTK as a kid in cinemas for the first time again
>>63319402
This just makes me even more hype. All I want is a crazy sci-fi romp through a familiar galaxy.
>>63323529
Where the fuck have you been, faggot?
>>63324618
I bet Kylo is just a cool looking bad guy, like Darth Maul. Generic awesome looking sith with a red memesaber to sell toys.
>>63324658
>implying they aren't the same person
>implying Andy Serkis isn't just the voice of Luke while Luke using a Force voice mask
>http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-ca-hc-star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-20151206-story.html
>The story [in the prequels] does not interfere. We only have to deal with the first trilogy so we didn't have to deal with it much. They obviously have a certain feel, and that was not the feel we wanted this one to have.
>And with the canon — everyone refers to the canon, but it has zero meaning to me. I don't know what the canon is. I cannot get that straight.
No EU bullshit, movie will be fine.
>>63325098
>Han's son turns to the dark side and threatens the galaxy
Nope, no EU bullshit at all
>>63324905
What makes Jurassic park 4 any different from terminator 5, or mission impossible 5 or james bond twenty-fucking-four or any other forgettable 2015 reboot? Jurassic world was bland, mediocre. How can it be in the top 3 highest grossing movies of all time?
>>63325123
That's not EU bullshit.
Cloning Luke and the Emperor is EU bullshit.
Making a legless fat jedi the greatest of them all for taking Sheev's soul to Jedi hell or whatever the fuck that was is EU bullshit.
>>63319939
>lots of ROTJ was bad
Ikr? All that stupid shit
>Jabba's palace
>Sarlaac
>Rancor
>slave leia
>speeder bikes
>at-ats
>dat ending space battle
>vader/luke/palpatine climax
Name one single thing besides Podracing that the prequels brought to the table.
>inb4 durr bears killing people with rocks
Wow one fucking fun thing. Kill yourself f a m
>>63325184
>it's like a death star but it wipes out systems
Nope, no EU bullshit at all
>>63325152
>Dinosaurs
The other day I saw someone in a coffeeshop doing a sketch of Kylo Ren.
I get that people get hyped for movies, but how could you be so hyped that you are in love with the film before youve even seen it? I got hyped for interstellar, but I didnt commit myself to statements like 'interstellar is awesome'.
It would be hilarious if it was awful, because people have already determined that its going to be great.
>>63325262
Reminds of the darth maul tattoo
>>63325262
Maybe that person liked drawing and had star wars fresh in his/her mind?
Maybe that person just liked Kylo Ren's overall look without really having an opinion of the movie one way or another?
>>63325349
Maybe that person was a fucking faggot that wanted attention from people because they're drawing a Star Wars character in a coffee shop
>>63325349
Whatever. It doesnt matter to my overall point.
>>63325385
There is literally nothing wrong with drawing in a coffee shop.
>>63321313
>you will fucking go
To smell you fat desperate fgts? Nah man. Star Trek has been forgettable twice now. I'm going to torrent the fuck out of it though and seed through a proxied botnet. Fuck Disney and fuck you
ANYONE HAVE A HARD GUT FEELING THAT OP IS A FAGGOT?
>>63325418
It was just a bad example of your point.
I'd put more blame on people buying all of the Kylo, Finn, and Rey toys, and any idiot who actually got a tattoo of their likenesses, and I just fucking know they're out there.
>>63325436
Just like I have a feeling that water's still wet.
I'm betting the entire new movie trilogy will be one big underlying political message.
>new movies are about the millennial and Z generations, and how they're dealing with the massive fallout that the baby boomers and generation X left
>first order represents hardcore redpilled, right side; resistance represents liberal SJW and feminism side
>hence Kylo and Hux being nerdy white guys while Rey, Poe and Finn being two minorities and a woman
>going to get really fucking interesting when Rey (token feminist, tuff woman stand-in) switches to the dark side while Kylo (the token red-pilled MGTOW stand-in) goes to the light
>betting it's all going to boil down to both sides being total BS, Snoke (the illuminati) just wants to perpetuate these wars so that both sides are ultimately just pawns in his game
>The final movie will reveal that there is no light side or dark side, at least as we know it now. They're both just cult-like ideals for certain parties to perpetuate their own motives. All in all, there just the force (human will) and what you do with it
>>63324731
This guy gets it
>>63325642
Hamm Markill already said not to overthink it. It's just gonna be a crazy sci-fi adventure with no real subtext. It'll just be a spectacle.
>>63324731
>>Hurr Durr you guys are why this movie will be bad.
>>63325152
3d dinos
honestly these filmmakers try to sit down and think about so much shit to sell movies, but it boils down to one thing.
people like 3d
people like big monsters
people like spaceships and aliens
people like superheroes in tights fighting edgy villains
people love big fucking robots
this shit sells and it sells extremely fucking well.
>>63325983
Did you even the read the post you quoted?
>>63326089
Also movies like what you described only look better on the biggest screen you can find.
This is why Steve Jobs flopped. Why watch a brooding man try to win his daughter back on a huge screen when they could watch something spectacular on that same screen and watch the brooding man from the comfort of their easy chair?
>>63318617
OF course it's going to be bland. Disney knows how to make bland "four quadrant" movies made by a comittee of accountants.
>>63326089
>people love big fucking robots
Didn't work for Pacific Rim :(
>>63318886
Here's the thing about the prequels, if you take out the dialogue they still hold up remarkably well visually. I seriously don't know why Lucas didn't just let someone write the script.
Boyega is on one of his first missions ever when he decides that storm trooper life isn't for him.
Poe gets captured on purpose.
Finn saves him.
Kylo Ren is rivals with General Hux.
Kylo Ren wants the lightsaber because it's a symbol of hope and proof Skywalker was real.
Han Solo hasn't seen the Falcon since Lando took it from him.
Han Solo is still doing odd jobs around the galaxy for money.
Rey refuses to believe she's a descendant of the Skywalker lineage, and doesn't want the weight that comes with the blue lightsaber.
Rey runs away.
Rey gets captured.
Leia deploys a death star against the star killer.
Leia knows shit is hopeless because the star killer is about to destroy the resistance's entire star system so she orders the planet destroyed via her own personal death star.
Hux destroys everything in orbit around the Star Killer. Leia survives - she was far away from the battle.
Han Solo and Finn and crew all blow up the shields of the Star Killer.
Kylo Ren kills the shit out of Han Solo.
Han Solo is his dad.
Everyone else flees to rescue Rey.
Snoke immolates the shit out of Hux for his failures.
Finn is mortally wounded by Kylo Ren.
Rey fights Kylo Ren to a standstill using the Force to feel him out in a burst of revenge.
Uh oh it's the dark side
Kylo Ren escapes.
Luke appears during the middle in flash backs, and then briefly at the end for around 10 minutes.
>>63326356
>Poe gets captured on purpose.
Hol up.
You sayin, das getting caughtz be part of his plan?
>>63326391
Yes but he didn't have a plan. He just did it to get the First Order to stop offing innocent people.
>>63326391
Of courshe
>>63326551
Did you see the movie? If so, explain the contents of the flashback?
>>63326619
It's not a flashback so much as it is a mind meld... which felt really weird in star wars but there was cool imagery. It showed that Luke tried to do some things but failed because of what was implied to be a betrayal. His stuff was robbed, his students were killed, and the weight of death kind of sunk onto him forever when he burns his students' bodies. The lightsaber exchanges hands a couple times.
This comes after the "It's true, all of it" line in the Falcon and Maz is trying to show Rey why what they're doing is important. She kinda fails.
>>63326759
So who are Rey's parents? Is she Luke's then?
Any backstory or Snoke/Knights of Ren?
>>63326759
We don't find out anything about Rey - she stays a "nobody" in this movie.
Snoke and the Knights of Ren are really mysterious still, but not really in a vague way. It's more like how the Hutts are treated in the original movies. It's clear that they're really important and that the two coming together is a bad, bad thing.
>>63327102
Alright, I was just wondering if Snoke/Knights of Ren are supposed to be ancient or something. I mean, where the fuck did they come from?
>>63327165
Snoke is ancient and when the Empire fell somebody worse started gaining momentum. You can tell by looking at him he's been doing this for a long time. The Knights of Ren are probably a new thing because he's only recently been working with them.
>>63327203
Did you see the movie then?
>>63327242
Yes. There have been private screenings recently.
>>63327261
Was it good? I'm kind of hoping it's just going for sci-fi romp. I don't want any kind of social commentary or an attempt to be "something more".
>>63327261
How do you rate the movie then? Worth seeing? Better than prequels?
>>63327372
It's definitely a return to the roots, there's no attempt at a Spiderman style WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY line or any preachy social commentary bullshit unless you genuinely get distressed by Stormtroopers giving a black power salute.
It was very good, and not quite as A New Hope as I was worrying.
>>63327376
Worth seeing, better than Jedi, not as good as A New Hope or Empire. Much better than the prequels because its actually a Star Wars movie.
>>63327559
Sounds good, thanks bro.
Just in case though, Snoke is an OC character, not some EU guy?
>>63326356
>killing off Finn this early
Interesting. I wonder who's going to replace him then.
>>63327628
Snoke is brand new. He's not Plagueis, he's not a Munn, he's not Sheev, he's not Bane, he's new.
>>63327559
>Much better than the prequels because its actually a Star Wars movie
So its actually garbage and you're pretending you've seen it.
>>63327559
>harps on Uncle Ben's iconic and accurate line in one of the only two good spidey movies
>something JJ abrams produces being better than ROTJ
I can't name one fucking thing JJ Abrams has done that even comes close to 'memorable.' Not to mention....none of the concepts show anything remotely cool like
>speeder bikes
>at-at's
>slave leia
>jabba's barge
>Rancor
Torrents it is. Btw when you get a chance,
>mcfuckingKillyourself for shilling
>>63327704
Is he human or ayy?
>>63318617
Is that Revan?
>>63327755
>mcfuckingKillyourself for shilling
You were pretty cool till you went edgy anon.
And it felt like this was supposed to be the crown jewel of your post. Pathetic, even if I agree with you.
>>63327710
>mad prequelfag
>>63319182
Difference is Jurassic World was a massive piece of shit. I'm hoping it will at least be better than that.
>>63327710
Get a load of this prequel babby. Isn't it past your bed time yet?
>>63320188
>Jurassic World
wut?
how? why?
>Minions,
why live?
>>63327755
That's because you haven't seen the movie.
>>63327811
He's an alien. A big one.
>>63327704
>>63327704
>he's not Sheev
YOU LIE!
How does he look like then?
A meme lord?
>>63327813
I'm sorry sir, this is a Star Wars movie thread, not a Star Wars fan fiction thread.
>>63318617
I think it could be as bad as the prequels and people won't care as much now.
I think it will be bland-good.
Like one of the Thor movies.
Naeh a little better because of cool spaceships.
>>63327927
>leader of the pro-human order is secretly an ayy
Interesting. Looking forward to all of it, assuming you aren't lying.
Still surprised they are killing off Finn this early though. That will end up being the biggest "twist" for me.
How about Luke? Is a fat old Obi-Wan sort of dude or is he become a deformed cyborg like his father before him due to the flashback incidents? Also I'm assuming that he's still on the good side?
>>63327950
Like a weird space lich. That's the only way I can think to describe him. It's like he's broken up and down his body and can barely move, but just his presence seems to cause discomfort.
>>63327818
No, I legitimately hate Web 2.0 marketers and plebs. Both should rid the planet of themselves.
>>63327927
>it's only bad because you haven't seen it!
I've seen:
>TIE fighters: BUT DARKER
>iTroopers
>X-wing 'modernization'
>plasma hilt that is dangerous to user
>soccer R2
>Popsicle speeder
Try harder faggot.
>>63328053
Luke is a good guy, he just has a more robotic hand. He's not fat, either, his costume is actually pretty mellow. He's very calm and seems really hurt about the past, just trying to get back in touch with the Force all by himself.
>>63328096
The new X-wings remind me of classic Camaros vs. the present just wtfshit stop trying
>>63328085
Is he a Sith Lich then? Or something even older?
>>63328096
Except you haven't seen it. Leia's death star is cool, the desert bandit speeders are cool, the other space ships on Jakku are cool, the freighter Han is on is cool, Snoke is cool, the aliens are cool. There's a lot of cool shit, and no the hilt isn't dangerous to Kylo Ren. You don't know anything about swords, lol.
>>63328139
They don't call him a sith, so I don't know about that. He might be older than that, or just somebody different. He might be a sith, he might be more dangerous, there's just no real information about him so far.
>>63328215
>Leia's death star
How big is it?
>>63327977
He is an official character in the Star Wars universe. His story Fucking happened. They even made game(s) about it!
>>63328312
>Legends
>part of Star Wars universe
Get out here kid. Your not canon fan fiction is gone and dead.
>>63319044
This, his Star Trek was generic crap and TFA will be the same.
>>63318617
>NO ONE SNEAKS UP ON KYBO REN
What happens to Chewie? Is he killed off along with Han, or does he end up joining Rey's crew?
Any clues as to who'll end up joining the main cast for the next movie? I'm assuming Poe will play a bigger part in the next one if Finn is killed off? Maz Kinata becoming the token alien of the group; any indications of BB8 getting his own 3P0 knockoff buddy to tag along with?
>>63328285
It's kind of vague but it's bigger than a moon. Breaks up in Star Killer's atmosphere.
>>63328215
>x was cool and x was cool and
Get a fucking thesaurus. You're only proving your plebhood.
>hilt isn't dangerous
Show me a single medieval sword with sharpened blades for a crossguard. It defeats the fucking purpose as parrying in tight spaces becomes dangerous.
Oh wait - I did find one.
>your type of sword
>>63326333
>nearly entirely shot in front of green screen
>hold[s] up remarkably well visually.
>>63328570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLzvznM2dDo
>>63328667
>asks for visual example of any medieval sword/crossguard that is sharpened
>get a youtube video of anon in his redneck larp
Son, it's time to stop posting.
>>63328799
>gets shown that the hilt isn't dangerous
The point isn't that the quilions are sharpened, the point is that they never brush against the wrist or user. You are angry over literally nothing.
>>63329072
He's gonna stay angry, anon. He's too deluded to be anything else. He'll be stuck in /tv/ until he either kills himself or the site shuts down.
>>63318617
Harrison Ford already ruined the big fight of the movie: Rye vs. Kilo Ren.
>>63329072
The hilt isn't dangerous in your Larping video because:
>there is no parrying or blocks in tight spaces (just some faggot waving his cosplay sword around)
>it's made of fucking foam you retard
Here - you can test this yourself. Go to a blacksmith and ask for a fully functional sword with a sharpened crossguard for self-defense. At least your stupid can make someone laugh.
>>63329198
that's not larpin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR4_HZ-98IY
this is larpin
>tfw population of Earth watching movies is so huge, any moderately fun movie has a chance at 1 billion
Expect more bland movies in the future.
