Why is Iron Man even an Avenger if people without super powers can just punch him to death in his suit?
>>63240841
Because marvel is shit and the writers are hacks.
He's the one without super powers, not the other two people in your image.
They're super soldiers, you fucking big guy.
>>63240868
The super soldier serum explicitly isn't superhuman. It just raises abilities to peak human performance. No one in that picture has super powers.
kinda reminds me of a scene in the avengers where he is being overwhelmed by aliens then just flies away.....
SUPER SOLDIERS: 1
POWER ARMOR: 0
>>63240953
He ded?
He ded.
>>63240889
No, it raises it slightly above peak human. Cap has done numerous things that even a peak human wouldn't be able to
>>63240889
They say this, but MCU Cap is obviously superhuman. Maybe "peak" human just looks an awful lot like superhuman, but it doesn't really make much of a practical difference. Cap and Bucky have been engineered to be way, way stronger and faster than a human being that has not undergone the procedure they have.
If we're splitting hairs here, I guess you could call them "extrahuman" or something else that implies they're not regular humans without using the word "super", but at that point we're really just arguing semantics.
>>63240841
>super powers
Nobody in Avengers has super powers.
Super powers implies something others can't do. But anyone dosed with Gamma rays could Hulk out, anyone with Super soldier serum could be Captain America. Anyone with whatever Hydra modifications could do magic like Scarlet Witch. etc.
Super powers are mutants, But those don't exist. The are a part of an unrelated Fox franchise.
>>63241111
>Super powers implies something others can't do
>according to these rules I just pulled out of my ass
Not to mention you conveniently leaving out Thor
>>63241111
>Anyone with whatever Hydra modifications could do magic like Scarlet Witch. etc.
If i'k not mistaken, they just "freed" her powers, they did not choose what she could do.
>>63241111
>Anyone with whatever Hydra modifications could do magic like Scarlet Witch.
Not really. It's heavily implied that you have to be special to be able to survive the modifictations. Like a minority of people have this "hidden potential" which can be activated by the modification.
>>63241141
He's an alien so really if you think about it he's just regular for Asgardians. They call him Regular Joe Thor over there in Asgard.
>>63241160
yea except they don't
>>63241021
In the Marvel universe peak humans can apparently do those things. Either way, the lore goes out of its way to continuously remind everyone that they are not super powers and even the weakest superstrength hero is automatically stronger. The Thing, Luke Cage, Spiderman... all stronger. Batman is supposed to be his physical equal after all.
>>63241160
>They call him Regular Joe Thor over there in Asgard.
>>63240841
They aren't punching him to death. They're holding back, just like Tony. Tony could carpet bomb them from the other side of the earth if he wanted. They're bummed out about having to fight, just look at Tony's face when he says "So was I."
What emotion was Tony trying to convey here?
>>63241111
Others haven't been exposed to gamma rays or have super soldier serum or have Hydra modifications.
You ruined your own argument.
>>63241021
Tony has done things even a peak human wouldn't be able to.
He built the Iron Man suit in a cave with a box of scraps.
Why are comic book teams always so retarded? They have Hawkeye on the same team as Hulk and Thor. DC has Green Arrow on the same team as Superman and Wonder Woman. Realistically they would just put the team in danger because the stronger heroes would have to defend the weak ones.
Is X-Men the only team that's at least somewhat balanced?
>>63241219
...the Incredible Hulk had a character exposed to both: Emil Blonsky.
>>63240841
They do have super powers. Captain America and Winter Soldier are genetically enhanced super soldiers with superhuman strength.
>>63240841
>Iron Man
>eats a direct hit from a tank shell and violently plummets to the ground
>nothing but scuffed paint
>Civil War
>ARRRRGH HELP ME HULK
>>63241253
The tanks don't punch this hard.
>>63241238
You understand that's how every military force in the world operates don't you?
>why do they even have medics with them if they're not as weapon-trained as the infantry? omg
Having a wide area of skillsets and abilities, even if they have functionally less firepower is a good thing.
>>63241271
medics are a bit different obviously, they heal the wounded. But they aren't going to put a guy armed with nothing but a knife to fight along side people with machine guns.
>>63241238
>X-Men
>The guy with knives for hands is on the same team as the chick who can fly and summon lightning and typhoons and the metal dude who can lift office buildings
Yeah, real balanced
>>63241227(You)
>>63241238
This is why I like ultimate hawkeye. He might physically be a normal human but he's a top tier operator and only uses a bow because he can get away with it. He'll use other weapons if he needs to. He and black widow are also generally working in the background doing recon/stealthy shit. There's a great moment in the ultimates where he gets attacked in his house. He gets dropped in the kitchen and immediately starts throwing knives and stabbing people.
>>63241253
Cap has punched open a submarine while underwater with his bare hands and cracked a tank open with his shield.
Bucky can tear off car doors clean with his metal arm.
>>63240841
Iron man is a guy in a flying metal suit. Cap and Bucky have been fighting worse Hydra shit since WWII.
>>63241334
It's okay they're just peak human.
>>63241253
Avengers
>Shield absorbs a hit from Mjolnir with Cap completely unharmed or even moved
Winter Soldier
>one M203 round hits the shield
>ARRRGH HELP ME TONY
>>63240841
hes not in the suit GALL
>>63241297
The guy with knives on his hand also can't die
>>63241238
Back in the day, Hawkeye had Iron Man trying to hide under a table.
Bucky and Cap are also masters of combat with Cap mastering every martial arts known to man. He's basically Batman on steroids.
>>63241271
The difference in strategy vs tactics, or a war vs a skirmish.
The fact that there are beings with godlike powers and normal humans with "peak human physique" is stupid. Why don't the stronger heroes like Hulk and Thor just punch Captain America or Hawkeye before they have a chance to react?
The writing has to compensate for the vast differences in power. Super hero shit is dumb. Batman fighting criminals is one thing. Batman fighting Superman and Darkseid who are basically gods is another.
Genetic enhancements > Cyber/mechanical enhancements
get fucked cyber fags
>>63241200
I take peak human in cap's case to mean the absolute limits of what the human body is capable of. Like he can lift the absolute maximum our skeletons are capable of supporting. His cardio performance is limited only by how fast a human heart can beat/how quickly lungs can fill etc.
Batman is just a natty god like scooby who also does a shit ton of crossfit.
>>63241344
IKR!? I could probably do that shit to, if i tried reallyreally, really like this image.
>>63241297
Wolverine is one of the strongest heroes because he's practically invincible. Metal dude can't stay metal forever, flying bitches are still vulnerable. Prof X is probably the only really overpowered one, if not counting Dark Phoenix.
>>63240889
Typical noob thinks he knows about comics..
At NO point does it reference the "peak human" power up of the serum in ANY of the movies. You're thinking of 616 Cap from the comics.
The Ultimates universe Cap is very much superhuman from his serum.
It seems the movies pick n pair elementa from all sources instead of just choosing one Cap from the comics at bringing ot to film unchanged.
>>63241450
>Guy has metal bones
>Main villain from his comic is the Master of Magnetism
And yet Magneto still never dismembers Wolverine just to get him out of the way.
>>63241503
He's done that a bunch, but healing factor too stronk.
>>63241513
>Magneto can't simply rip every bone in his body out
Why not?
Why couldn't they replicate the super serum project after decades?
>>63241550
Because they're saving that plot point for another movie.
>>63241450
Wolverine isn't dangerous because of his powers. Well I mean he is, but it's mostly because he's a professional soldier, an expert covert operative, and a master of literally dozens of forms of martial arts. When you add his powers and skeleton on top of that he's considered one of the scariest motherfuckers on the planet. There's a reason everyone was terrified when he was brainwashed by hydra/the hand during enemy of the state.
Unfortunately most of the time he's terribly written and is the X-Men's Yamcha. Bad guy shows up and tears him in half or throws him into new jersey to show what a threat they are.
>>63241503
That won't kill him. A single drop of his blood can regenerate him.
>>63241546
Because Wolverine is like some bullshit starfish and even if you snikt him into a hundred pieces he'll just come back and bub you over the head again. He's been nuked.
>>63241581
That's Lobo, dingus.
>>63241546
Not the guy you are replying to, but Magneto in the movie universe doesnt seem to want to be that brutal with someone who is a fellow mutant.
>>63241297
>The guy with knives for hands
>fuccboi trivializing one of the most iconic comic book characters ever
>said "knives" are capable of slicing right through virtually anything
>has one of the most extreme healing factors in all of comics
>master samurai and fighting expert all around
>More athletically capable than any human on Earth
Wolver-FUCKING-Rine
>>63241141
Sure Thor
The guy who has half his "powers" from his Hammer and Half his "powers" from being an Alien.
Sure, he's buff for an Asguardian. But not super compared to other Asguardians (he's actually pretty lame when you consider others can do things like see everywhere all the time)
>>63241592
Then that's retarded. Why fight him at all if he can't die?
>>63241622
Were you under the impression that comics weren't retarded up until now?
>>63241604
He literally tried to kill a mutant he knew because he was scared of the future.
Only reason he didn't is because beast jumped him.
>>63241622
he's dead anon, both in the main universe and Ultimate universe
>>63241662
And she was his lover.
>>63241238
>>63241406
Different Roles on a team.
Hulk, Thor and Cap serve as infantry. They hold off the masses. Hawkeye is the sniper/eyes. He snipes key members of the opposition disrupting the opposing groups infrastructure. Or he calls shots to organize the team.
And before she's mentioned Black widow does espionage. She sneaks in the backdoor when busting down the front door won't work.
>>63241622
He can be killed.
>>63241622
>Why fight him at all if he can't die?
Because he can still kill you?
>>63241665
they haven't brought him back to life yet?
>>63241703
Then it'd be best to not antagonize him at all.
>>63241665
How if his regeneration is so potent?
>>63241652
I know they are.
>>63241738
How much you want to bet Jean Grey/Phoenix Force ressurects him?
>>63241755
In 616 universe he lost his healing factor, and got adamantized.
>>63241787
BGC
G
C
Is Wolverine in the movies part of MCU or part of the X Men movies?
The near invincible versions of wolverine ruin the character. I liked him better when he would take so much damage he should be dead or in recovery for weeks/months but would just get up out of his hospital bed the next morning like "fuck you i'm wolverine". All this bullshit in the movies where he heals like T-1000 is so lame. Or that comic where hulk ripped him in half and he climbed a mountain to go retrieve his legs...just stupid.
I don't remember but didn't Tim Roth take the same serum as Cap in Incredible Hulk and hold his own with the hulk? Iron Man shouldn't be that big of a deal in close quarters.
>>63241755
He can die of old age, although he lives much longer than normal people.
You can also just throw him into the sun. He'll be gone.
>>63241738
nope, his getting replaced by X-23 his daughter (technically)
>>63241755
>How if his regeneration is so potent?
it's really not that potent, his most potent regeneration feat was aided by magic
plus he was dipped in adamantium in main universe and BTFO by Magneto in the Ultimate univ
>>63241847
>that comic where hulk ripped him in half and he climbed a mountain to go retrieve his legs...just stupid.
Source?
>>63241788
Jean is dead too, except teen Jean (worst Jean, made Iceman gay)
>>63241874
Ultimate hulk vs wolverine
>>63241885
I thought Jean kind of merged with the Phoenix force and has just been choosing not to come back.
>>63241847
nah, Tim Roth was just avoiding most hits but he got hit once was sent flying.
Although he had enhanced regeneration and healed broken bones and internal injuries in a matter of an hour
>>63241200
>batman physical equal of cap
what?
>>63241917
that's just comic speak for killing off a character since even death isn't permanent in comics
>Superman vs Doomsday
>Wolverine escaping hell
>>63241941
>Batwank
ignore it, plot armor is a reality warping power
best Batman is detective batman not "prep time" batman
>>63241503
He did that in Ultimatum. Literally ripped the Adamantium from his body and fucked his shit up.
Except they aren't even hurting him, and he could simply hover 20 feet in the air and shoot them with lasers. Or like another Anon said, he could just carpet bomb them from the other side of the planet.
They don't want to fight, everyone is just trying to subdue/disable/capture each other without doing permanent damage.
Autism.
>>63242056
He also did that shit like 25 years ago in 616.
Led to a whole bunch of weird shit like feral wolverine and wolverine becoming a horseman of apocalypse.
>>63240889
What are you a fucking retard?
>>63241334
>Cap has punched open a submarine while underwater with his bare hands and cracked a tank open with his shield.
>peak human strength
BRAVO MARVEL
>>63241405
So being good at MMA means you can punch harder than tank shells now?
>>63241787
I can't believe this gif came true in Age of Ultron. Does Whedon lurk here?
You are now aware that you live in a world, a terrifying world, where there are people right this moment who use terms such as "canon" and "cinematic universe" when talking about films and television shows.
A terrifying world where imagined characters on a screen are required, according to those who discuss them, to adhere to "ground rules" set out by the creators of said-characters. A terrifying world where those that discuss these characters and their actions, are actually enraged if said-characters deviate from the mannerisms expected of them, the mannerisms that may have initially been set in the pages of a comic book.
Think about that. A comic book. For children. Yes, pictures and words on the same page, which are meant to be read by children, that are actually read by adults who then bicker and express their frustration at film-translations of these comic books not being "faithful". Faithful to a comic book. That's supposed to be read by young children.
This is your world. This is the world of capeshit. Terrifying, isn't it?
>>63241450
>not counting iceman
He could cause another iceage if he stopped being a faggot.
>>63242594
>if he stopped being a faggot.
STFU CIS SCUM
>>63242575
>which are meant to be read by children
Have yo read BERSERK?
>>63241572
>one of the scariest motherfuckers on the planet
>gets his shit pushed in by Spider-Man every goddamn time
What would the Marvel Universe look like if Spider-Man actually took full advantage of his powers?
>>63241611
>more athletically capable than any human on earth
What are you even on about
He's a tank, but he's nowhere near the athletic capability of even non-mutant gymnasts
>>63242662
scary
>>63242662
i think theres one comic where spiderman goes full spidey and is literally unstoppable.
Wasn't Tony Stark the first person approached by Nick Fury for his Avenger Initiative?
Or did he already have Banner under his wing by that time. Hawkeye and Black Widow were probably already in SHIELD, Were they supposed to be the best of the best from SHIELD or what?
>>63242782
>Wasn't Tony Stark the first person approached by Nick Fury for his Avenger Initiative?
Yes
Or did he already have Banner under his wing by that time.
Banner didn't even know Shield was on to him until Avengers.
Hawkeye and Black Widow were probably already in SHIELD, Were they supposed to be the best of the best from SHIELD or what?
Hawkeye yes, Black Widow is a high level bad guy(assassin) turned good (because of Hawkeye). She's more a product of the Red room.
>>63242750
I know there's one, spider man of earth 8351 becomes an assassin and gets trained by wolverine and becomes goddamn terrifying.
>>63242662
People don't really acknowledge or respect it because he'sa beta, but Spider-Man (616 Peter/Ben) is obscenely powerful. As in, could toe-to-toe with gods and come out alive powerful. But he has Iceman syndrome and won't/can't embrace his potential.
>>63242872
And yet, Captain America gets to be called the first Avenger.
>>63242922
Ghost Rider is the same. Johnny Blaze could have been literal god tier but was always afraid of himself. Although he did go toe to toe with world breaker hulk and only stopped because he realized that hulk had every right to be pissed.
>>63242922
When Spider-Man was possessed by Doc Oc during the Superior run, he ran into Wolverine and made him look like a fucking clown.
>>63242954
That's because he was an Avenger before The Avengers even existed. He's also the oldest..
>>63240841
Becas hes an filantropist rapist saxofone.
>>63243018
>Oldest
>Literal Norse God on the same team
You fuckin dense m8?
Why the hell is an alien god an Avenger?
>>63241200
>weakest superstrength hero
>The Thing, Luke Cage, Spiderman
literally some of the strongest
>>63243041
>literal god
He's not a God. He's an alien. Norse mythology was based on a visit by their people, and they interpreted their alien powers as those of Gods.
I hope you have learned something.
>>63240841
>dat stunlock combo
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
>>63241941
Cap's experimental serum took him to the physical peak of human ability
Batman trained himself to the peak of human ability
>>63241209
Fucking this
I don't think that's even real Iron Man
>>63242954
He served with the people who literally created Shield. The same Shield that created the Avengers. The same Shield that found and revived Cap.
Whoever spider-man sides with
Wins
*leans in to whisper*
HAIL HYDRA
>>63241111
What about those quads tho
>>63241570
Or..ORRRR maybe they actually fucking explain it many times on separate occasions why no one else has it..
Considering what Tony can come up with using junk while dying and what he can do in hi tech armor by his own design, aka fighting hulk, moving hellicarriers etc, and having a whole fucking army of similar armors, marry sue cap and his emo butt plug buddy wouldnt last a day against him.
But hey, the power of flashy kicks and PEAK HUMAN CONDITION
>>63243252
Picking up heavy things by itself is a pretty shitty super power in a world with guns.
>>63242954
Tony refused the offer.
Cap was the first to agree to it.
>>63240841
Why do people on the internet argue about which company writes children's stories about men in tights?
>>63244094
*better children's stories
>>63243626
how is this even a fight.
Team of world war 2 vets and other military vets versus the racist black guy, tony the war criminal, an assassin from kgb..oh and war machine, military guy turned corporate tool.
Yeah those are even teams.
>>63244229
and to add onto my own point, Rodgers, Bucky and Falcon all become Captain America. Literally some of the best men we've ever made in our country.
It would be like creating a man out of the stars and stripes.
>>63243082
What a completely useless postNot even him
>>63240841
That might be just a suit you know
>>63240841
>without super powers
>super strength
dumbass
>>63243713
Not when you're faster than bullets.
>>63243069
Nah. That's bottom-tier super strength. If you're looking for high-tier, it's Hulk, Juggernaut, Hercules, Thor, etc.
Thing, Cage and Spiderman can throw cars around. The above can throw mountains.
>>63240889
>crashed plane into sea
>Literally frozen beneath the antartica for 50 years
>is completely fine, no side effects
>not superhuman
>>63244354
>>63242490
>>63241941
>>63241468
>>63241077
>>63241021
>>63240882
>>63240868
This guy is correct: >>63241421
>>63241513
>>63241450
except the female wolverine from the movies got killed by getting liquid adamantium injected into her head
>>63244437
>Encino Man had the super soldier serum too!?
Or maybe movies don't base every little fact around real science. Even with the serum, he'd be dead from that. The cold might've preserved him with minimal decay, but the total lack of oxygen isn't something you just "heal" through. He'd have had total brain death.
His being fine was just movie handwaving. "Being frozen doesn't kill you!" Not him having super powers.
>>63244363
And spidey isn't.
>>63244515
Are you really that fucking desperate to rationalize that he doesn't have superpowers? Comparing him to Encino Man?
We're done here.
>>63241271
>they're not as weapon-trained as the infantry
Combat medics are though. They are literally infanteers first and medics second.
>>63244467
That's comic stats not MCU power levels.
>>63243082
Fuck off MCU shit
>>63241155
>>63241111
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Inhumans.
>>63244802
Find something in the MCU that explicitly states he has superhuman strength then.
>>63241243
I really hope the Abomination comes back, now with Hydra mods.
>>63241406
>Why don't the stronger heroes like Hulk and Thor just punch Captain America or Hawkeye before they have a chance to react?
Because they're working together?
I know capeshit is literally for children but you not understanding basic team compositions in a children's movie is just embarrassing.
>>63241550
>literally used in The Incredible Hulk
>>63241211
I can just see RDJ sitting in his cozy booth. White silk scarf around his neck and $4000 sunglasses to help block out the hangover fart flashbacks. He's got a pudgy stomach. His crow's feet are deeper than Atlantis. Starbuck's in one hand, $50 organic gourmet fig and prosciutto sandwich in the other. He takes one bite of and throws in the trash, even though it was delicious. He leans into the microphone...
>UGH
>AH
>GUH
Gets up, yawns, and leaves.
>Okay Robert let's try one more... Robert? Mr Downey?
All he can hear is the sound of tires screeching as RDJ goes home for a nap and waits for his cheque.
>>63240841
How powerful these characters are goes up and down to fit in with each individual scenario.
Marvel movie fanboys over the age of 16 are spastics.
>>63241111
Its stupid as fuck but quads confirm.
Problematic...
>>63245226
>it's stupid as fuck
>quads confirm
What an unfathomable waste of space you are.
>>63245058
I thought that was an inferior copy.
>>63240841
because he's smart and shit
>>63244515
>or maybe it's fucking capeshit and doesn't care about making everything realistic!!!
>this is part of your argument on whether a capeshit hero is unrealistically strong or not
>>63241200
kek
Even Jessica is stronger than cap. What a kek.
>>63241111
Thor. Naturally super powered. Bye.
>>63240841
>>63240841
>>63240841
>No Superpowers
>Makes greatest engine on the planet out of bits of scraps and kebabs
>No Superpowers
>>63240855
>>63240855
This is true. Comic shit always scale the powers according to whatever is convenient for the story.
>>63245314
same serum. hulk kicks the fucker into a tree and then he recovers. adds hulk DNA to himself and becomes an inferior hulk
>>63245619
kek, why is Cap even trying to be a hero
>armor can go to space
>fights hulk
>fight Thor(guessing is the strongest)
What plot device will they use for this shit. Hell all he has to do is fly them up to space until they can't breath
