Moffat's gonna do it, he's really gonna do it, the Doctor Clara, Clara Who confirmed, the absolute madman
Didn't confess >>63152165
>>63156856
If he does, I stop watching till Moffag is gone.
>>63156856
that pic from ep12?
It's just the mental construct of Clara again otherwise why would she be wearing the same clothes?
>>63156875
"Heaven Sent is GOAT" isn't an appropriate reply to "Heaven Sent isn't as fun as The Pandorica Opens". Get a brain.
>>63156856
Moffat > RTD
and you all know it.
>>63156856
>yfw Clara’s the one regenerating
>yfw Jenna’s leaving but Clara isn’t
>yfw Ashildr’s the hybrid
>yfw HS/HB will be GOAT
>>63156988
I wonder how heavy and uncomfortable wearing that thing is?
>>63156924
Yes
>>63157014
The roundels are anti-grave devices.
>>63156953
In your opinion
http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/doctor-who/episodes/hell-bent
>Believing for years that his home planet of Gallifrey was destroyed in the Last Great Time War, the Doctor was amazed to discover a couple of years ago that it actually still exists but is frozen in its own ‘pocket universe’.
>He couldn’t be more grateful that Gallifrey is still around because, after the traumatising death of his companion Clara Oswald (Jenna Coleman), home is where he wants to be more than anywhere else, so he can nurse his deep emotional wounds.
>In this week’s series finale, Hell Bent, the Doctor has finally arrived on Gallifrey, and he’s in a very angry mood, wanting to find a way to bring Clara back - but of course that’s something he can’t do.
>The Doctor is still in a foul mood as he faces his fellow Time Lords – led by The President (Donald Sumpter) – as well as Ohila, the High Priestess of the Sisterhood of Karn (Clare Higgins).
>He also wants to find out more about the mysterious Hybrid, a creature that’s been a legend throughout Time Lord history and who he battled in the weird world he was trapped in before he got to Gallifrey. Can the Time Lords and Ohila provide him with all the answers he wants, though?
>The adventure also sees him come across a dalek and cyberman and ends with an almighty struggle that takes The Doctor to the end of time…
>yfw the Time Lords make Clara a Time Lady
>yfw she regenerates into a new person
>yfw a Weeping Angel touches her
>but because of Clara splinters presence in the Doctor's entire time stream it sends her back to before the Doctor was ever even born
>yfw the Doctor thinks all is lost
>yfw The Woman reveals that she is Clara, and the Doctor's mother
>>63156856
>Docto Who General
I wonder if this will rustle as many jimmies as 'dr who general'
>>63157112
Why are you quoting this? It's blatantly written by someone who was trying their hardest to extrapolate from BBC press kits and also hadn't actually watched Heaven Sent yet.
>>63157014
This incredibly rare Timelord collar was made for the Tom Baker classic "Deadly Assasin" the collars were designed by renowned costume designer Jim Acherson. Six of each chapter were made and reused in subsequent story's featuring the Timelords.
The collar is made from a low fibre content fibreglass and is very fragile, the cap is made from a stiffened felt, only around four collars are known to survive.
What does /Who/ think of the Simm Master in the end of Time Jumping up into the air shouting DINNER TIMEEEEE!! ??
>>63157139
Damn, didn't even notice, my mistake
>>63157151
how do you know
>>63157139
>not knowing the titles is referring to the christmas special when Capaldi regenerates into an octopus.
>>63157170
It was shit.
When is 8 gonna face Davros again?
>>63157186
>>He also wants to find out more about the mysterious Hybrid, a creature that’s been a legend throughout Time Lord history and who he battled in the weird world he was trapped in before he got to Gallifrey.
I mean. That last bit reads like they thought the Veil was the Hybrid. They probably wrote it up about a week ago.
And besides that, literally nothing in that summary couldn't be either gleaned from the promo images/official synopsis or flat-out guessed.
Personally, I think it's one hell of an episode.
Heaven Sent is the closest we'll get to a Jim Mortimore episode. I found it extremely reminiscent of The Natural History of Fear.
>>63157187
I don't concern myself with xmas specials. I never watch them.
>>63157240
EPISODE
>>63157252
The part where the Doctor had to kill himself billions of times reminded me ofwhat Ian has to doin Campaign.
Hybrid is obviously not the doctor dummies.
It's Ashildr, A.K.A "Me".
The med pac that constantly revived her came form a notorious warrior race.
Calling the human race a warrior race is a typical bit of doctor who dramatics.
The doctor's confession is that it is he who did this to Ashildr.
Do you really think Moffat so little respect for the Who canon that he will piss on the graves of the people who wrote the Doctor as a timelord?
Well actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have any respect, but I don't think this is the case currently.
How did he do this?
I didn't understand
>>63157295
him having whatshisface's face from the Rome episode during 10's run was a warning not to create Me, not a call to keep doing it. by changing history in such a way he brought about the ruin of Gallifrey, AGAIN.
Reminder that BIRD was not only the bird who sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain, but also the Phoenix that the Doctor had to become (burning himself in order to be reborn).
Thanks Kate Orman.
>>63157318
He channeled all the psychic energy the Archangel network had been manipulating, into himself
>>63157318
bad writing
Did anyone else feel that sat's ep felt like a thematic combination of "Triangle" and Dark Souls?
>>63157295
>The doctor's confession is that it is he who did this to Ashildr.
Why would this be at all relevant to the Time Lords?
>Do you really think Moffat so little respect for the Who canon that he will piss on the graves of the people who wrote the Doctor as a timelord?
No more so than the people who decided the Doctor was a Time Lord 6 seasons into the show pissed on the grave of Verity. Which is to say that all Who 'lore' is retcons, so get the fuck over it now.
>>63157358
But the Archangel network was supposed to "control" people, no?
How did he undo the laser screwdriver thingy the master did to him?
>>63157409
personally i've been getting a MGSV trailer vibe, especially from the end of this episode
>>63157212
In the Nightmare Child audio that they're almost certainly going to make at some point.
>>63157438
because Ashildr is prophecized to destroy Gallifrey, they want him to admit he was the one who created her
>>63157451
Themain twist about the hero having been manipulating duplicates of himselfwas very MGSV.
It's kind of sad how the ginormous event of bringing back gallifrey has basically been ruined to allow that shit Game Of Thrones girl to have 4 episodes. Moffat definitely got fucked over by some BBC execs writing this series
>>63157438
>The doctor's confession is that it is he who did this to Ashildr.
Obviously they already know. But that's why it's the confession dial and not the truth dial.
It's not acquiring the knowledge that is the goal of the torture, it's acquiring the admission of guilt. The dial itself is the punishment for the crime.
>>63157531
it reminded me a lot of Planescape: Torment in that way too, i was expecting the prison to be built by the 13th Doctor or some other Time Lord/companion to try and prevent the Valeyard from being created or something before it clicked it was the confession dial he was trapped in.
>>63157556
Can we not do the 'complain about retarded theories as if we've watched the episode' thing yet? It's too early in the week.
>>63157409
Its Dark Tower meets the Prestige.
>>63157455
But played by Molloy or Bleach?
And wouldn't they do that with Hurt?
>>63157409
>Triangle
Based. The skulls scene made me think about that too.What a fucking horrifying movie at times
Name the things Moffat ripped off (sorry was influenced by) for Heaven Sent.
I'll start with two
It Follows
Cube
>>63157907
Why is influence a bad thing faggot?
>>63157907
Memento.
>>63157907
Harry Potter
the confession dial's interior constantly changing is Hogwarts basically
Hooray, the worst of the rebooted doctors is gonna die!
>>63156953
>>63156953
I don't disagree, but I don't think HS was designed to be a fun episode. In other words, I don't think "fun" is a fair comparison.
>>63157965
>>63157965
John Hurts cancer isn't something to joke about
>>63157965
ButEccleston'sDr died years ago.
>>63157907
Every story ever
Because there was a beginning middle and end and a plot
>>63158057
Eccleston at least had his goofy moments, like when he threatened harkness with a banana, and the empty child arc was incredible. Capaldi is all brooding.
>>63157722
>And wouldn't they do that with Hurt?
Nah. The War Doctor would just Davros die. McGann is the one who'd try to save him from the Nightmare Child. Also, we're told that this happened "in the first year of the Time War", so probably long before McGann gave up being the Doctor, regenerated and joined in.
>But played by Molloy or Bleach?
Interesting dilemma. Molly is kinda "the Big Finish Davros", so I'm leaning towards him.
>>63158111
Tumblr please go to gallifrey base
>>63158111
His goofy moments were what made him shit. He just couldn't pull off the whimsy. DESU I've not seen enough Capaldi to form an opinion on him.
>>63158013
Looks like a Dimensions in Time maquette.
>>63158153
Only thing I do with tumblr is porn
>>63158185
Desu? That's not what I typed. WTF does that even mean?
>>63158231
Word filters.
s m h t b h f a m
baka desu senpai
>>63158231
It means "I love anime and want to annoy others that don't"
>>63158272
But I fucking hate anime.
>>63158304
>hating anime
>on an anime imageboard
>>63156988
I have to admit that he Lord President as fuck. Not even pissed at no Dalton.
>>63158304
>>63158418
It hasn't been an anime imageboard for years m8.
>>63158304
So I didn't understand the significance of "bird" so I watched it back and heard the "how long is eternity, when the bird has chiseled through the entire mountain a second of eternity has passed, you must think that's a hell of a long time, personally I think that's one hell of a bird", the Doctor being the bird.
This is the first episode people can non-sarcastically say bravo Moffat.
>>63158418
wanna bet more people hate than like anime on 4chan?
You are the weird one.
>>63158111
Capaldi is the funniest Doctor since the reboot by a distance. He doesn't need to be le so goofy xD to be hilarious. The man is a top tier comic actor.
>>63158424
>tfw no Mathews-to-Warrington regeneration
>tfw no Warrington-to-Dalton regeneration
>tfw no Dalton-to-Sumpter regeneration
>tfw literally no Rassilon regenerations ever
>>63158516
Capaldi's delivery of "ONE HELL OF A BIRD" made me literally grow hard.
>>63158532
His banter with Clara is top tier, wish she could give it back.
What I don't get is how they're trying to turn the Time Lords into a warrior race when 1. not all Gallifreyans aren't and 2. in classicwho they were annoying as fuck bureaucrats who always attempted to manipulate the Doctor for their own personal gain.
Riddle me this, /who/, after 7,000 years (the first time we see the Doctor) the river/lake/ocean around the castle is around a quarter full of skulls, so surely after 2 billion years the skulls would become so numerous that when he dives into the water he breaks his neck/head on the skulls rather than diving into the water, right?
>>63158574
Yeah, that's something that triggers me, the Timelord aren't warriors, their literal first rule is not to interfere, how can warriors be warriors if they ban people from fighting?
>>63158576
The bottom skulls will erode, the water level will get higher because of physics.
>>63158574
>>63158619
>What is Time War?
You should have been complaining about this 5 years ago lads.
>>63158619
They're like that now, they weren't always like that.
>>63157293
I like to think when the doctor is unsure, he asks himself 'what would Ian do?'
>>63158576
The skulls are rotting at the bottom
OR
Its a magic ocean, the bottom gets lower and lower everytime a skull is thrown in, so there is always the same body of water waiting for the Doctor
>>63158576
>river/lake/ocean/pond
wait a minute...
>>63158574
Yeh, also why aren't the no-Time Lords (that is, everyone outside the Citadel) wearing fucking rags and being savage as fuck like Leela? Now they are fucking space wild west?
>>63158645
Righte-o lad, ta for that.
>>63158516
It's all one conversation actually, it works if you're familiar with the fairy tale by the Brothers Grimm, bird bit is the end
ONCE UPON A TIME there was a little shepherd boy who was famous far and wide for the wise answers he gave whenever anyone asked a question. The king of the country also heard about this, but he did not believe it and had the little boy summoned to his palace, where he said to him, "If you can answer three questions that I'm going to put to you, then I shall regard you as my own child, and you shall live with me in my royal palace."
The little boy responded, "What are the three questions?"
The king said, "The first one is, How many drops of water are in the ocean?"
The little shepherd boy answered, "Your Majesty, have all the rivers on the earth dammed up so that no more drops of water can flow into the ocean until I have finished counting them. Then I shall tell you how many drops of water are in the ocean."
Thereupon the king said, "My next question is, How many stars are in the sky?"
The little shepherd boy said, "Give me a large sheet of white paper," and he proceeded to make so many fine dots on it with a pen that they could hardly be seen and were almost impossible to count. One would have gone blind trying to do so. Then the boy spoke. "There are as many stars in the sky as there are dots on this paper. Just count them."
But nobody could, and the king said, "The third question is, How many seconds does eternity have?"
The little shepherd boy said, "The Diamond Mountain is in Lower Pomerania, and it takes an hour to climb it, an hour to go around it, and an hour to go down into it. Every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on it, and when the entire mountain is chiseled away, the first second of eternity will have passed."
Then the king spoke, "You have answered the three questions like a wise man, and from now on you shall live with me in my royal palace, and I shall regard you as my own child."
>>63158619
They didn't interfere with non time traveling races
When you have dalek shits trying to change history to destroy every race including you then you have to interfere
There were always warriors - the guards etc
Baker C first role in oldwho was as a gallifrey guard captain
>>63158516
What Grimm Brothers story is that from?
>>63158602
>WHAT THE FUCK, I DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD ACTUALLY WORK
>>63158185
You fucking spanner, you've seen more of Capaldi than you have of Eccleston.
>>63158574
And sand niggers used to be some of the most scientifically advanced peoples on the planet. Look at them now. Cultures change.
>>63158721
>>63158715
Woops, nevermind.
>>63158730
No, I watched all of S1.
>>63158715
>The whole conversation has significance to the episode.
Nice.
>>63158602
>beyond the crystal wall
>>63158778
Yeah one season whereas this is capaldis second plus Eccles didn't have any xmass specials
>>63158722
Post yfw the Doctor is up against a firing squad for vandalising/damaging Gallifrean property next week.
At 400 times harder than diamond I imagine it's pretty fucking expensive after all, even if it is just a torture chamber of the mind.
>>63158778
Then watch all of Capaldi's episodes then?
https://twitter.com/ryxnf/status/671070100104060928
>>63158789
>>63158715
When will they just start adapting fairy tales with Capaldi as the only actor in it? So much better than regular doctor who.
>>63158876
Since the show has gone 'no fun allowed' this will have to be the next best thing.
>>63158822
Two series and an xmas special that I have not seen in their entirety. Duh!
So... Was it real?
In his head?
A pocket dimension?
Did 2 billion years really pass?
Is he over 2 billion years old now? He said that he remembered every single time he punched the wall, so is that 2 billion years of memories?
The Timelord are pretty fucked up, inventing an eternal torture chamber with apparently no way to get out other than confessing, that's some Brazil level shit right there.
>>63158876
I think a better question is why does that hack Gatiss still get to write episodes? Surely Sleep No More was so bad that he's exiled for good right? Who approved that fucking episode?
>>63158944
>He said that he remembered every single time he punched the wall
What, when?
>>63158944
>He said that he remembered every single time he punched the wall,
He did?
>>63158965
The first time we see it. When he says "birds" he kind of snaps, goes into his head and tells Clara something like, "I remember. I remember every single time."
>>63157556
Gallifrey being brought back has been so long winded that I'm glad they hardly made a deal of it when he got there.
Because who is really impressed at Gallifrey alone at this point?
>>63159007
I took that to mean he remembered the story.
There's no way he could remember punching the wall before, because that Doctor technically never did.
Now that Gallifrey is back, will we have an appearance by Braxiatel? He's the Doctor's brother after all.
>>63158231
newfag on two levels.
How many BAFTAs is he going to win?
>>63159136
He needs to win something, he's already won my heart
![52ee74c2-b3e2-4f28-b999-e7deba4cd5ac-2060x1236[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cJqWnxy.jpg "52ee74c2-b3e2-4f28-b999-e7deba4cd5ac-2060x1236[1].jpg")
>After well over two billion years The Doctor finally punches through the diamond wall
>Waiting on the other side is this man
>What does The Doctor say?
>>63157212
God dammit the one torrent I found for BF Audios is stuck at 88% because no one is seeding. This and a few other awesome 8th Doctor stories are not fully downloaded.
>>63158944
>Is he over 2 billion years old now
No he's just like a week older than Face the Raven.
>>63159007
As in "every time I remember what I have to do only at that exact moment, too late to change things".
>>63158722
Does the final Doctor even know about all the other ones that were before him? What did he think when he stepped into room 12 and saw a 20-foot crystal wall that had already been smashed down to a millimeter?
>>63158231
lurk more
>>63159169
>Well with 121 gold tokens, but 43 silver tokens, you've lost. But of course you don't go away empty handed...
>>63158965
>>63159000
>>63159075
Watch the whole scene again. He's breaking down because he remembers it all.
>that's what I remember. Always then. Always then. Always exactly then.
>I can't keep doing this Clara. I can't!
>Can't I just lose?
>It would be so easy, just tell them, whoever wants to know, all about the hybrid.
>I can't keep doing this. I can't. I can't. I can't always do this.
>Its not fair! Its just not fair!
>I can remember it all. Every time
He remembers all of it. How? Because its his mind prison inside the dial.
>all I have to do is tell them about
>>63159169
He asks if he was in a time warp.
>>63158944
>So... Was it real?
Sort of, sort of not, it was like a nightmare crossed with a video game you can't escape.
>In his head?
Yes, but no, he was projected into it by the time lords.
>A pocket dimension?
Yes, except rather than a parralel plain it was a confession dial, still existing in our universe but designed solely for the use of isolating an entity until that entity has said what was expected of him.
>Did 2 billion years really pass?
In the confession dial, yes, though it's unclear whether the confession dial ran at the same speed as everything else, it could have been frozen at a specific point in time until the desired outcome had been reached, like the inside of the tardis it was both a separate dimension in a separate time and the same dimension in the same time.
>Is he over 2 billion years old now? He said that he remembered every single time he punched the wall, so is that 2 billion years of memories?
No. The confession dial was merely a simulation, he came out of it remembering what happened in the simulation but for him no time at all passed.
In the old Christmas episode where he turns into matt Smith, some questions
Will the woman who was behind Timothy Dalton turn out to be Ashilda, and then the doctors mum
When he's doing the rounds saying goodbye to everyone, he says goodbye to rose behind rose meets him like next week, how come as soon as the Doctor regeneration into Tennant, rose doesn't go "holy shit I've seen you before"
>>63158944
>>63158965
>>63159000
>>63159007
>>63159075
>>63159192
>>63159202
He keeps repeating the same thing over and over, down to the step, until he reaches the wall. Then he says he remembers all of it. He argues with Clara because he knows what he has to do but doesn't want to keep repeating this cycle for eternity.
>>63157444
>But the Archangel network was supposed to "control" people, no?
It also joined them too , a massive psychic network, and the Doctor integrated himself into its matrices
>How did he undo the laser screwdriver thingy the master did to him?
Hype up on psychic energy m8
Will McGann be in the finale?
Alright /who/, after this episode I have a confession of my own to make.In the past I did have a fap session or two where I fantasized about stone slab girl.
>>63159222
Fuck you and your gold tokens
>>63159217
>>63159239
You've interpreted it all wrong my friend.
>>63159191
Physically that is right but mentally he remembers it all. That is what makes the whole ending that much more horrifying and heroic. Every time he reaches the wall and remembers he breaks down and wants to quit but he doesn't. For 2 billion years.
>>63158862
>mfw
>>63159263
Oh that makes it a lot darker. but it makes sense.
It is the only room which doesn't reset so his memory works in it.
>>63159257
the lady in end of time was supposed to be the doctors mother
RTD cut it though
moffat might make it canon though
I want to do lewd, impure things with Clara Oswald
>>63159007
He realised what was going on at that exact point every time.
He realised he'd been fucking around with this wall forever and he still had to do it another billion times.
There's no way he could have actually remembered every single time he did it because they were different copies.
>>63159239
M8 if he remembers it why would he keep repeating the same things over and over
>>63159300
So he has a ridiculous amount of the same memory in his head now.
He shouldn't be able to function anymore.
>>63159300
No he breaks down because he realizes what's happening, realizes that he's a clone.
>>63159239
No, he's breaking down because he's realised that he will have to die, and as we've already been told he's actually afraid of dying. He always has to face his own fear and die, to give a copy of himself a way out, because he can't give in and give up his confession.
Imagine suddenly remembering each time you've fought and cried in the same spot of your inevitable reset. One billion, two billion lives, never quite sure when it will end.
>>63159097
The Doctor shouldn't have a brother. I wouldn't mind seeing his 45 cousins though.
>>63159416
pretty sure 10 says he has a brother once
this show is weird
>>63156962
Ashildr should regenerate, so we don't have to see quasimodo anymore
>we will never see the footage of Capaldini naked
What the fuck Moffat, you let Clara say arse yet when we could've had child-friendly nudity (a peak at his bare buttocks or his back) you fuck it up? Fucking hack senpai.
>>63158944
None of these questions matter.
>>63157154
Pretty sure they're not still using the exact same ones that were made in the seventies. i think seeing as they have an actual budget now they just made some more similar ones.
heaven sent had such good music
i think we've all done some mariogold shitposting but he really hit out of the park this episode
Anons next week would you rather find out he actually is a clone who was stuck on a cycle, or it was psychological torture and it didn't actually happen (e.g he is the original Doctor)?
>>63159355
>>63159360
He literally says he remembers it all and says that he wants to break the cycle by confessing.
>>63159333
>But I can remember Clara. You don't understand. I can remember it all. Every time
Exact quote.
>>63159360
>I can't keep doing this
He wouldn't say this if that were the case. He's saying he can't keep going through the cycle not that he doesn't want to die. Clara's motivational speech is also about continuing the cycle, not facing his own death. The horrifying thing for the Doctor isn't that he's going to die, its that to live he has to go through billions of years of torture. That is why his decision to go the long way around is more heroic.
>>63159473
You should rewatch the scene instead of parroting what people say online.
>>63159416
a reminder that the 'mystery of the Doctor was ruined in 'the war games'
seriously I think it could be a great on screen dynamic, Brax as the oldest and more authoritarian brother and the Doctor as the wayward son. It could be a symbolic about order and rebellion.
>>63159360
>he's realised that he will have to die,
So is the real doctor dead now?
is the doctor who came out only a copy of a copy of a copy
>>63159571
I thought it was all in the confession dial and he was the original?
>>63159539
The soundtrack of the episode kinda reminded me of that used in Prince of Egypt.
>>63159490
Friendly reminder that the way those clothes were thrown down was rehearsed, and likely took multiple shots to make it look as cinematic as possible. All for that short scene.
>>63159539
Reminder that Marigold is now channelling the Barry Lyndon soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYHzXFSk4s
>>63159263
No, you're doing it wrong. The Doctor that steps out of the teleporter each time is the Doctor exactly as he was when he first arrived; there is no shared memories across the multitude of versions.
When he gets to the diamond wall he just figures it all out... that he's been doing this for millenia, laments that he'll obviously never be able to figure it out soon enough to change things (ie. maybe by bringing the shovel at least), and realizes he's got no choice but to either repeat the cycle until he punches through the wall, or just give up a die.
He doesn't remember his other lives. He remembers the story of the bird and mountain and works out what's been happening, but always too late.
>>63159583
No because he doesn't die and that guy is wrong. The Doctor remembers each time, its like his consciousness exists outside of the Doctors playing out the torture. He just doesn't remember about it until he goes to room 12 again.
>>63159626
>But I can remember Clara. You don't understand. I can remember it all. Every time.
>>63159626
Exactly. This why it's so horrific for both the Doctor and the viewer. If he had shared memories, he wouldn't have to work anything out at all. But that would have ruined the episode. No, the fact that he's stuck in this cycle for bilions of years is genius.
>>63159306
The Woman is the doctor's mother, and Clara >>63157124
>>63159577
>You should rewatch the scene instead of parroting what people say online.
>Knows hes wrong
>calls people correcting him 'parrots'.
>>63159611
Nigga, the Barry Lyndon soundtrack was remastered pieces of late 18th century composers. Not original at all.
Just posting to say the newest episode was literally 10/10 and this is the GOAT season of Who.
>>63159704
Posting one line out of context over and over is not an argument. He's referring to the story, not his other lives. This is not a time loop, or a reset button; There's no "Last of the Time Lords"-style "it never happened but I can remember it" trickery going on. The versions of the Doctor are sequential and unconnected. They have no shared memory.
>>63159716
The scene of him talking to Clara and trying to motivate him to continue only works if he has shared memories. He wants to give up because he's been at it for 7000 years and still has 2 billion to go. If he didn't retain anything then it wouldn't matter if it was 1 year or 2 billion because the Doctor would only have the consciousness of a couple of days.
And again, in case you didn't rewatch that final Clara scene he outright spells it out for you and says he remembers.
>>63159775
sleep no more was utter shite and before the flood was really disappointing but otherwise i've actually really enjoyed this series desu senpai
The Doctor was in the confession dial for "well over a billion years" let's assume for simplicitly it's 2 billion years exactly, he lived roughly a week each time, so 52 x 200,000,000 is 104,000,000,000 = one-hundred-four billion, so he did this one hundred four billion times.
>>63159775
10/10? Yes. THE GOAT season? Um, no. S9 has been incredibly inconsistent since the start. Not wholly bad or good.Kind of like S2.
>>63159775
>GOAT season of Who.
No, at least one part of every two parter was mediocre or shit
>>63159463
You ain't seen nothing yet.
>>63159300
seriously how can people be this retarded?
>>63159839
>>63159856
What has been the GOAT season then?
>>63159891there isn't one
>>63159821
No, it doesn't "only work" if he has shared memoeries. Riddle me this, motherfucker: if the Doctor has shared memories, why are they only mentioned at the end of the cycle? The whole notion of shared memories ruins the episode.
>>63159818
Its not out of context. I even posted almost the entire conversation earlier in the thread. Rewatch the scene. The very next thing he says after saying that he remembers is that Clara is gone. So he's had to live with the fact that for the last 7000 years Clara is gone and he hasn't had the time to properly grieve because he only remembers at the very end.
It makes zero sense in the context of the scene for him to be talking about the fairy tale. That's the first thing he talks about and he quickly moves on to the subject of giving up. What follows is him describing why he wants to give up then why he has to continue.
>>63159891
One
>>63159891
S5 by far. Wonderful writing, very consistent, beautiful debut ofr Smith and Gillan (and Moffat), and a strong opener and ending, with few disappointing bits in the middle.
>skulls pile up over time
>chairs don't
>eyepieces don't
>flower petals don't
the rules were really inconsistent if you think about it
also
>the very first time the Doctor went through the maze, he must have been naked most of the time after leaving his wet clothes behind
>>63159891
with the most GOAT GOAT episodes to shit/mediocre ones4
>>63159891
>season
13 or 14
>>63159982
>tfw we'll never get an episode where the doctor and clara go to a nudist community and are forced to strip by aliens
>>63159905
Why not? There can be loads of reasons. The trap is designed to break him and him remembering at the end of the episode very nearly does. Or maybe its because room 12 is the exit and not subject to the energy loop and his memories are the kept just like the state of the diamond wall. Or maybe its because as Moffat said in Doctor Who Extra and the whole torture chamber is in his head and all those Doctors that died are all him and the original is the one that steps out of the dial.
Take your pick. Either way both Moffat out of the story and the Doctor in the story fucking tell you.
>>63159945
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>>63160018
Name your GOAT episode. GO.
>>63159982
Skull of a timelord wibbly wobbly i dont fucking know shut up it was great
>8th doctor spent years trying to bury the half human bit, that he was lying or something
>Moffat finds the loophole
>"I'm half human, on my FATHER'S side."
How mad would the internet be?
>>63158619
They don't interfere as long as no-one does anything to interest them. If you are close to developing time travel or anything to threaten the time lords they'll fuck you up. Also they'll burn your world if you steal any of their knowledge, as they did withthe earth.
>>63160048
Mate, feel free to make up whatever headcanon you like, but stop trying to force it on everyone else
>>63159982
Doctor isn't part of the room so it lets him and his ash sit
>>63160077
Blink
>>63159982
The rooms reset, the Doctor-pieces does not. Hence why he has to replace the coat himself, and why he can write in the dust.
The whole thing was originally planned out so that he'd end up in that last room and be confronted with his release, if he told them his secret. The Doctor didn't leave any clues for himself, except for the Bird part.
>>63159891
Fourteen.
>>63159909
>It makes zero sense in the context of the scene for him to be talking about the fairy tale.
It also makes zero sense for the copies to have a shared memory. Because they're copies, not the same person. Their memories diverge from the moment they step out of the transporter.
You're wrong. Sorry.
>>63160077
The Doctor Dances. Then Midnight.
>>63160077
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.
That CAL reveal makes me tear up everytime
>>63160048
He can say "I remember" without literally remembering every single time. He meant "Oh, well right, I remember what this means. So I know how this is going to end." He didn't literally remember 2 billion years.
On season /who/ is full of the most retarded parts of the fanbase, I swear to god.
>>63160077
Geez. One out of them all? I can't do that, so I'll give you a list in no particular order:
The Pandorica Opens
Dark Water
The Waters of Mars
The Day of the Doctor
Vincent and the Doctor
>>63160119
>yfw his mother was Clara the whole time
>yfw he becomes his own father
>yfwthen they discover they're stuck in a recursion and can't get out
>>63160048
>Or maybe its because room 12 is the exit and not subject to the energy loop and his memories are the kept just like the state of the diamond wall.
THERE IS NO LOOP YOU DENSE FUCKING RETARD
The Doctor goes through a maze. Dies, and in the process creates a clone of himself to re-do the maze and get a bit closer to the end. There is no possibility for shared memories in this scenario.
>>63160149
>>63160181
>>63160194
>>63160207
> it's all new shit
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>>63160145
Wouldn't the sediment from rotted out bones pile up enough over 2 billion years that it would start to rise from the water?
>>63159982
Skulls pile up because only the things that are there reset, the Doctor isn't part of the prison so any part he leaves that wasn't originally there remains.
Also, this means the Time lords always left a reset change of clothes for the Doctor, otherwise every single time he would have to be naked in order to leave clothes for the next version.
Things that were part of the prison and as such reset:
chairs
Windows
Flowers
Curtains
Eye pieces
Portraits of Clara
Changes of clothes for the Doctor
Shovels
Things that were not part of the confession dial and as such didn't reset:
The Doctor
His skulls
The Abzantium was not part of the confession dial prison, it was left on the door as a stopper so it couldn't be opened, except the Doctor in all his determination did open it, without having to confess what the hybrid was.
Although for some strange reason he told the Confession dial "I know you can probably still hear me in there so you should know, the hybrid, the one destined to destroy Gallifrey is me"
Though that could have been a parting shot, his promise that because the Time lords put him in the confession dial he will stand in the ruins of their cities, or it could have been the truth.
>>63160294
go to bed gramps
>>63158444
>pic
Thanks for reminding me how much of a smug, pompous, condescending, know-it-all smarty pants arse Kasumi is.She'd make the perfect female Doctor, right down to her outfit.
>>63159891
>>63159945
Agreed. S1 had a fairly unremarkable first few episodes, but there was some amazing stuff later on. The worst episode was The Long Game, and I still didn't dislike it as much as the worst of the other NuWho seasons. S5 had just as many great episodes, maybe even more, but it also had Victory and the Silurian two-parter.
Eccleston was a great Doctor who left way too soon and 9, Rose and Jack are the GOAT NuWho TARDIS team.
>Veil is based on something something the Doctor experienced as a child and that grew in his subconscious
>The Doctor was previously "haunted" by/obsessed with a creature under his bed and under everyone's bed that had perfect hiding up until Listen
So that confirms the Doctor realizes such a creature doesn't exist and got over it right? Cause I'd guess that otherwise part of his nightmare would be something he can't see and has to listen for, that's after him.
>>63160347
>Rose
>GOAT anything
>>63159982
>skulls pile up over time
it was a river
>>63160314
That's assuming that the inner court-yard is in no way connected to the ocean outside. Any current would easily bring the tiny bone particles with it, and I really don't see why the inner part would be completely unconnected with the larger sea right outside. You don't create a pool of stagnant water for no reason like that.
>>63160258
Not the guy you're talking to but they definitely could if they wanted. Doctor is using his body with electricity to power the hard drive, hard drive is not exactly hard to tamper with
Fuck, if it's just a hard drive then why aren't there all sorts of teleporter clones?
>>63160258
This, I can't see how people have difficulty with this.
The doctor is a blank slate each time he's created. There are no shared memories. He lives three days and dies taking his thoughts/memories with him. Copies just happen to have the same responses when exposed to the same situations in each iteration.
>>63160294
He said episode, not serial. What did you want me to say? >Oh yeah, um, uh-huh, yeah, episode 4 of The Romans was pretty GOAT.
You want serials, mother fucker? Here you go.
The Romans
The Mind Robber
Inferno
The Ark In Space
The Caves of Androzani
The Last Adventure
Remembrance of the Daleks
There you go. One for each Doctor, and I even threw in an audio for your petty arse. Pleased?
>>63160347
At the first season I didn't really like Rose. She didn't really do anything important and she looked skinnyfat in all the baggy clothes.
She grow in me on S2
>>63160347
>The worst episode was The Long Game
>not the slitheen two parter and boom town
IMDB review are priceless
> I know if David Tennant did this episode he would'nt be able to explore inner emotional rage demons with gravitas and wondrous anger, but what he could do was make it FUN TO WATCH. When i watch Doctor Who i don't want to have a lesson in how to show the fallibility of human nature, or terrorism, or God making. Why Blink, Dark Water, Parting of the Ways and Doomsday are so much better than this episode, and why this series sucks, is because its dull.
The space of a human skull is 1260 cm2
105,000,000,000 ish doctors, that's like, 13 trillion square meters of bone matter from the skulls alone, the earth is only 6.4 million cubic meters, so that's like 2000 earth worth of Doctor heads
Or did I dun goof my maths
>>63160344
dat costume is pretty qt though
cant speak about her acting though, I stopped watching Sentai shit when I was 12.
>>63160294
Well what's your GOAT episode or serialgramps?
>>63160314
Remember that every time he stepped outside he ran a pile of his own dead body through his hand.
>>63160315
>Also, this means the Time lords always left a reset change of clothes for the Doctor, otherwise every single time he would have to be naked in order to leave clothes for the next version.
No, only the very first Doctor needed to be naked.
>gets to fireplace room, hangs his clothes up to dry, leaves them
>dies
>next Doctor comes through, hangs up his wet clothes, and takes the now-dry clothes left behind by his predecessor
PROOF THAT MATRIXLORD212 IS MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN YOU FUCKING KEKS ON THIS SITE OF HATRED !
Here we see him at a book signing on his book world tour taking photographs for screaming fans.
>>63160481
An eroded skull is not.
>>63160481
Who says skulls aren't pushed into ocean when castle moves. Maybe all surface of this universe is now Doctor's skulls
>>63160481
Maybe it was originally a castle floating in space, and slowly accreted enough Doctor skulls to form a planet.
>>63160512
So even if each skull eroded to 2000th it's size, it's still a planet worth of Doctor heads. And what the fuck happened to the rest of his body
>>63160258
>There is no possibility for shared memories in this scenario.
There really is though. Sacrificing your own body's energy to power a machine that simultaneously dissolves your old body while creating a new one is a fundamentally magical act. It's not something that has any meaning outside the fantasy setting of this particular version of the show. This isn't hard sci-fi. Also note that he connects the wires to his head - under Doctor Who fantasy logic, it's perfectly possible that memories make the transition into the new body's unconscious.
>>63160539
The gravity would be higher than Earth-normal though.
>>63160481
Its around 400-500 billion liters of water displaced.
assuming each doctor lived around 4 days, over two billion years.
>>63160573
He mathed out his fall and his time was spot on.
>>63158944
the closest thing we have to real time travel is creating an electro magnetic field and being able to speed up or slow down time in a small area. so the confession dial is probably a pocket dimension of highly compressed time where the passage there is meaningless compared to the outside world.
>>63160591
He has a good sense of gravity.
Don't ask how I got this gif.
The special 'regeneration scene' in Hell Bent. Spoilered because I don't want to ruin it for some people, but I have no clue how they managed to keep this person's casting a secret.
>>63160653
i bet this guy is a huge "progressive" mangina
>>63160485
>I stopped watching Sentai shit when I was 12.
And you kept on watching Doctor Who why exactly?
>>63160481
1m^3 = 1,000,000cm^3
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-29/steven-moffat-the-doctor-returns-to-gallifrey-like-clint-eastwood--a-mad-bad-dangerous-bastard
>>63160600
Any closed timelike curve would do. Cosmic string is a great contender.
>>63160688
I read that. I'm really really trying hard not to get hype but fucking hell its all sounding so good....ffffffffffffffuuuuuuck
>>63160560
That process is only ever described as being a source of power, like a battery.
And it would be an inconsistent variable; While the Doctor would predictably react to the same situations in the same way each time (having no memory of doing them before), there would be no predictability of when the shared memories would kick in, since the transfer would be an at-best inconsistent process that we're told ends up happening more than a billion times. All it would take is one of those times to have his memories earlier and the whole game would have changed.
The fact that the same events happen each time seems to have people confused. This is not pre-destination and it's not a paradox of any kind. It's not the same moment of time repeating. Start throwing in wild variables like memory transfers and it simply becomes impossible to believe that it never once worked out slightly different. It ruins the whole story.
>>63160470
Boom Town is a comfy little character-focused episode, I refuse to dislike it.
Aliens of London / World War Three is a good story, apart from a few elements (the farting, Mickey's l33t computer skillz, some of the special effects).
The Long Game is ruined by the stupid Adam subplot, it would be an alright if unremarkable episode without that.
>>63160677
I'm older than you think, I was 18 when new Who started and I got into it then.
>>63160485
She's probably the best of the bunch, she shown her acting chops particularly in this week's episode. It helps that she's an established actress while the others are usually newcomers. The bloke who plays Red is fucking horrendous tho.
If he could figure out where he was by the stars how come he didn't figure it out on Day 1. I get the other times confusing him because they were hundreds or thousands of years but shouldn't he have known immediately on that first night?
