Listen 2: Electric Boogaloo - GOATer than GOAT edition
About to be sucked into a confession dial: >>63133779
Is moff actually going to reinforce the doctor being half time lord half human as super canon?
>>63137156
Yes.
So the doctor's just standing there on gallifrey after looking for it for a long time and he doesn't even give a shit?
>>63137188
but he does?
Moffat's gonna do it, he's really gonna do it, the Doctor Clara, Clara Who confirmed, the absolute madman
>>63137188
He does give a shit, he's just mad now.
>>63137156
Possibly.
>The hybrid is me.
>The hybrid is Me.
Clearly Moffat intended that to be ambiguous as fuck so we'd have it down to either the Doctor or Ash.
SHEEP episode. Maybe even a llama.
So anyone who disliked the episode basically has the worst attention span ever, yes? God forbid an episode of Doctor Who has an interesting, complex, and engaging story that makes you think. No, no, it must be action and running all the time! With silly shenanigans!
Wait a second, how did he have enough food to last 2 billion years?
>>63137188
He does, but he's also pissed off as fuck.
>>63137188
I'd say he gives all the shit given the current situation.
>>63137156
Gonna get moffucked. It's clearly Ashildr
Doctor's confession is that he created the hybrid, not that he IS the hybrid
>>63137228
The dining room would reset just like all the other rooms.
>>63137228
The food kept being recreated.
>>63137228
The rooms reset, m8.
>>63137188
>over 2 billion years of being trolled and probably worked out who was behind it all from the very beginning
the surprise has worn out its welcome
>>63137228
The bowl of soup regenerates each time he leaves the room.
>>63137188
Well, he's been looking for it, but his people found him and instead of just calling him up or something, arranged a complicated conspiracy that got his friend killed, then murdered untold billions of copies of him.
So, I'd say he's earned a moment to wrestle with his feelings.
>>63137248
Would also explain why Time Lords are pissed at him while also not trying to "kill him" eons ago when he first lived on Gallifrey
Could also be a double moffuck because he IS half human and was afraid prophecy was about him when it was really Ashildr
>>63137228
The castle was in a closed energy loop. Whatever that means, it was to explain everything would be reset. So just enough food to last a few days, reset in perpetuity.
>>63137248
Ashildr would be half human half Mara because she's immortal due to their technology retrofitted to work with a human, he didn't magic her into a Time Lord.
>>63137227
>>63137270
I like thinking of that as actual regeneration, so sometimes it comes back as tomato, sometimes clam chowder. Every now and then it's an ice cold gazpacho.
>>63137256
>>63137258
>>63137266
>>63137270
>>63137287
Ah yes I remember now, sorry lads. Did they ever explain why room 12 didn't reset? Just because it's outside or something?
>>63137127
Fuck,American heremy DVR cut off just as it began to fade to black, what happened?
>>63137305
Regeneration theories about a bowl of soup. Truly, this was the best of NuWho.
hello doctor who loving chums
in one of these generals about a week ago someone posted a webm of an actress on the show showing her flat derriere
flat asses are my fetish
if anyone saved and could share that would be top-notch
cheers
>>63137319
Best answer I've seen is that it's because it connects to the outside universe, so the not-diamond wall was the demarcation boundary between the closed loop and real time-space.
>>63137227
some of them are literally too stupid to follow it or piece together the story he was telling as he was chipping away was referring to himself
>>63137158
ITS THE SAME DINER FROM IMPOSSIBLE ASTRONAUT
MOFFAAAAAAAAAAAT
>>63137293
But he doesn't confirm either way that they had to be half Time Lord either
For all we know, if you got off non-TV canon, being Time Lord is a status, not a species
>>63137319
Because plot basically.
>>63137319
They don't explain in the show but it's assumed it doesn't reset because it's connected to the outside.
>>63137325
Eccleston came back. Screamed Fantastic and jumped out the window.
>>63137305
>gazpacho soup
>>63137227
it was more boring than the star wars prequels, at least they had light sabers
>>63137325
If the rooms all reset, why didn't his drying clothes reset the first time?
>>63137368
The soup equivalent of the Valeyard, one assumes.
>>63137305
>>63137393
>>63137380
Oh so it was already over then? Missed the "next time" trailer tho
>>63137325
This time instead of saving an enemy base from a monster or hanging out with a gang of special guest characters, the Doctor runs from a monster in something bigger on the inside again.
>>63137393
Only way it makes sense is if that room didn't reset either. Also, if you stop to think about it, the first time round the Doctor went to punch the wall, he was naked.
Goddamn I really don't like Maisie Williams and am slightly annoyed that she's going to still be in the next episode.
Oh but phenomenal episode this week, hot damn when he was making estimates to how long "if he didn't know any better" was so... I don't know how to describe it.
>>63137393
"First time I entered it"
so he was naked the first time.
>>63137393
I assume someone has to have pulled the lever for the first time. They probably watched, made minor changes, until it functioned as a completely closed loop. Eventually, they were tired of seeing his Capaldick, so they left him some clothes in the room reset.
>>63137268
But from his perspective it was only... how long was it? A week?
>>63137342
p-p-please i need to fap
>>63137342
>flat asses are my fetish
why
TIME LORD VICTORIOUS IS BACK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
>>63137339
his fucking eyebrows
>>63137428
Literally exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it.
>>63137435
>>63137452
>>63137457
>>63137465
lewdI like it.
>>63137342
>flat asses are my fetish
>>63137457
>yfw they filmed that and it's in Moffat's secret stash.
>>63137375
>what happened to the doctor who that was family friendly and had a reasonable storyline for children to follow
>>63137514
>>63137293
>half Mara
Sadly, it's Mire. Absolutely bog-standard you could say. No sneaky snakes around the corner.
>>63137536
I got RIDICULOUSLY turned on by this.
>>63137481
>>63137519
nicer to spank
>>63137350
Holy fuck, it is.
>>63137559
Are you a guy or a girl?
This episode used a science fiction concept (teleportation). It's a high concept story. If a DW episode could work as a great short film it's doing something right.
>>63137467
He still saw the skulls m8. He knows.
>>63137574
WHAT
DOES
IT
MEAN?
>>63137588G-girl.
>>63137530
>>63137536
HNNNNNNGtfw footage of nude capaldifu will never be leaked and will rot in moffat's basement forever
BIRD UP
>>63137574
We are about to get Moffucked, aren't we?
>>63137619
The BBC still only has three sets.
The Guardian reviewer for Heaven Sent said it was to The Deadly Assassin what The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar was to Genesis of the Daleks (presumably he means including Hell Bent as well)
>>63137574
>it's the same fucking diner
Oh shit did the WhoCrew film there while they were over in America for SDCC?Or is it just a reproduction?
>>63137375
that guy watched for 50 years but hates Capadli? He has the best aspects of new and classic Doctors.
So let me get this right. None of that happened right? I assume Ashilda put the confession dial into the machine or something and used it to send him to Gallifrey and the episode was him basically working through the confession dial to teleport to Gallifrey right?
>>63137666
the diner is in cardiff actually
>>63137693
oh
well fuck ignore me I'm retarded
>>63137519
>>63137481
Just be glad his fetish allows him not to intrude on your hunting ground.
Was a rather nice episode of Fort Boyard desu
>>63137127
>"CLALA! I KNOW YOU CAN'T HEAR ME BUT I'M GOING TO PRETEND TO TALK TO YOU ANYWAY"
>>63137665
>'In lots of ways, this series has been Capaldi and Moffat’s love-letter to Tom Baker’s mid-70s purple patch.'
What with the base-under-siege-with-a-twist episodes, the urban thriller Zygons, the spooky weirdly-lit spaceship with some kind of monster that hunts and infects humans (Sleep No More = The Ark in Space, even if SNM is pretty shit and the plot was constructed by Rasmussen or whatever), along with some bits of the Ashildr trilogy feeling a bit Hinchcliffe-y, I can kind of see what he means.
>next episode
>Time Lords
>Ashildr
>Daleks
>Weeping Angels
>Clara?
>The Hybrid
>12's guitar
G
E
T
H
Y
P
E
>>63137771
He was obviously talking to tulpa!Clara.
I'm literally angry about how the Davros 2parter ended up. It had everything going for it and then they fucked up in the last 10 mins for no reason other than to keep davros alive for another story. Literally why
>>63137808
Don't forget the diner from IA. Matt Smith when?
So, the veyland or whatever it was called. Was that the living entity of the confession dial? Like, some sort of living will? The end confused me when it turned into a bunch of gears, was it just clockwork?
>>63137342
>flat asses are my fetish
Ireland?
>>63137619
The wound in time in NotD only allowed Clara to splinter herself across the Doctor's timeline until he would have died at Trenzalore. Clearly, Clara splinters only turn up in places his previous incarnations visited. That diner is one of them. The Great Intelligence splinter probably stole Eleven's silly straw in that instance, making his life a living hell until Waitress Clara returned it.
>>63137808
>>Ashildr
God I hope not.
>>63137836
11 didn't want to go, so he arranged all of this, then took retcon to remove it from his future self's memories.
where's the stream?
>>63137905
Episode's been over for a while m8
>>63137893
She's literally in the preview, chief. Same nose piercing as last episode, new hair style.
>>63137898
So 11 wanted Clara to die
>>63137380
Needs this after he says that line tbqh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o
Even without sound, people would still get it from the image
>>63137219
Is that better or worse than GOAT?
>>63137922
which is why I want it uploaded so I can watch it
So for the 10th anniversary of nuwho we get our first episode actually set on gallifrey
was it worth it /who/?
>>63137926
Nah, it needs BRWEEEEEEEEEEEEE BRWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63137925
Or 11 couldn't predict she'd go full retard.
Which actually, in seriousness, does raise the possibility that whomever arranged the raven thing really didn't foresee Clara being that fucking stupid.
>>63137932
So Highly Entertaining, Everyone Pleased.
So did Heaven Sent take place inside the Confession Dial?
>>63137946
That's not a Bourne moment m8, that's Caruso/Horatio all the way
>>63137981
yeah basically
>>63137981
yep
oh fuck off is the Retcon going to be a constantly reoccurring plot point from here on?
uh oh looks like the doctor did something stupid then retconned it so he forgot kekaku doori
MOFFAAAAAATTTT
>>63138004
what?
>>63138004
It was in Torchwood
>>63137467
he worked it out, it doesn't matter what it felt like to him it's what he knows
>>63137893
You knows she's the hybrid
"The hybrid is Me"
>>63138010
>filename
lost it.
>>63137127
Why did he never use the shovel on the spot on the flour with all the arrows pointing to it? it looked to be made of dirt, wasn't that what the shovel was for? The doctor fails at video game logic.
What did /who/ think about the time travel based finale ofhorsies?
>>63137808
Weeping Angels?
>>63138121
Yeah, curious as fuck about that shit.
>>63138138haven't watched it yet
>>63138096
Didnt realize there was a new thread
So... Is it that GOAT?
>>63138171it handled altering and fixing past events better than doctor who does
gib upload please
>>63138181
River has some fantastic titties. 10/10 would suck then move down to her pussy
>>63138207
I'd get her some wax first.
>>63138207
she looks like a granny, you creep
>>63138207
>actually wanting vagina juices in your mouth
fucking gross
>>63138195
The best regeneration episode ever
>>63138233
tastes good man
>>63138233
I'd bet her juices would flow like astream
Hey Guys I'm fucking Jenna right now! Her Ass and pussy is sooooo tight and her toes taste like cupcakes! Wish you were here bye
>>63138138
>>63138171
>>63138197I'm pretty autismal myself and think you should've been bred out by nazi eugenics
>>63138257
objectively incorrect
holy autism
the general disdain thread is an absolute laugh fest tonight
>>63138278
The only water inher pubesis theRiver.
>>63138288
KIGGEDERNOR!
>>63138305
Is it possible for 60 year olds to be autistic enough to post about how much they disliked an episode on the internet?
>>63138288
Can't be that tight if you've been fucking her every thread. Can't be that good if you're posting about it while doing it.
Why is the doctor cosplaying as han solo?
>>63138375
Because when he's with Clara he always shoots first.
>>63138375
he just took his jacket off
>tfw the Doctor we've been following since 1963 is officially dead and the show will forever be about a copy of the Doctor
Fuck you, Moffat. It was an excellent episode and one of Capaldi's best (if not THE best) but that detail bugs me. Maybe it's just some shred of autism in me, but it's still a bother.
Well it's obvious that the Doctor no matter how cross is not gonna fuck up the Time Lords, he still hasn't gone back to his moment id Day of the Doctor, which I can't see happening in the middle or beginning of the episode
>>63138138
I don't watch it. This is the line that I'm not man enough to cross.
>>63138454
>(if not THE best)
Of Capaldi's run, that is. Not of the whole show.
>>63138454
so autistic that this is like the 3rd time you've posted the same fucking thing
So, is the doctor now billions and billions of years old?
And did you read billions and billions in 10's voice?
>>63138454
Effectively, this was true since he first used teleporter.
>>63138454
it was all in the confession dial
its still the original
>>63138480
No.
No.
>>63138477
That was my first post on /who/ in a week because I was avoiding it due to spoilers leaking everywhere about this episode.
>>63138480
No, he didn't age while sending copies out.
>>63138480
No, every copy of the doctor only lived for a couple hours (a day, max) meaning the doctor that got out in the end was only slightly older than when he started, and it was ultimately a virtual simulation type thing in the confession dial
>And did you read billions and billions in 10's voice?
Why the fuck would I?
>>63137949
But they knew she died and and put the painting of her in the castle to fuck with him
>>63138521
so it's just a coincidence that there happens to be the exact same comment in 3 other threads
>>63138480
No, if anything we are now billions of years old relatively speaking.
>>63138498
He was teleported into the confession dial. The final copy, 2 billion years later, found the exit, and now that version is running around.
>>63138542
Do you find it hard to believe multiple people share the same sentiment regarding reconstruction teleportation?
>>63138539
>a day max
nah. it took a day and a half to go from room 12 to the teleporter. the doctor also mentions sleeping and the doctor can stay up for over 24 hours before needing sleep.
>>63138562
Confirmed not true. He is still the original.
>>63138542
Yes. And I guarantee the wording isn't the same because that was the only one I wrote on the subject. I only just finished watching the episode a couple minutes before writing it and, again, I haven't been on /who/ in a week.
>>63138594
Confirmed by whom? And what's the justification? It didn't all just happen in his head. It physically occurred inside the confession dial, so what's the mechanism by which he's still the original?
>>63138305
>expecting more out of GB
you failed m8
>>63137981
Yes
>>63138541
Maybe, maybe not. Could've put it in there ahead, knowing he was traveling with her. A little Simpsons-esque "Remenber, you're doing it for her." Or he could've painted it himself in an earlier run.
OFFICIAL /WHO/ SERIES 9 POWER RANKINGSso far
>ELEVENTH HOUR TIER
Heaven Sent
>GOD TIER
Under The Lake
The Zygon Inversion
Face The Raven
>GREAT TIER
The Witch's Familiar
Before The Flood
>GOOD TIER
The Magician's Apprentice
The Woman Who Lived
>Okay Tier
The Girl Who Died
The Zygon Invasion
>Gatiss a SHIT TIER
Sleep No More
>>63138682
Girl Who Died is great tier, it's definitely the funnest episode of the series
I otherwise agree
>>63138682
Yeah...close enough.
>>63138682
FUCK Gatiss
>>63137597
oh fuck
I didn't understand it until just now
All those skulls were him
dear god
>>63138682
>The Zygon Inversion
>Face The Raven
Stopped right there, kill yourself
>>63138682
Why is Eleventh Hour so fucking overrated these days? It's not that good of an episode.
>>63138395
kek
>>63137691
The dial was from the timelords. They resurrected the Master as Missy to get the dial to the Doctor and he just took it thinking that it was from future him.
Then they moved the dial somehow. Probably with Ashildr.
>>63138833
So they transport the dial and leave it in the outskirts of the city until a few hours later, he emerges from it?
>>63137857
looked awful similar to the clockwork creations from the 51st century that the doctor convinced to suicide and the ones who stalked madame da pompadour
>>63138682
Eleventh Hour tier should be renamed Heaven Sent tier.
>>63138862
2 billion years later.
So wait, the Doctor is a Dalek/Timelord hybrid?
>Series 7
>shit besides NOTD
>Series 8
>shit
>Series 9
>80% shit then all of a sudden one of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever
When Moffat leaves I still want him to write standalone episodes because Heaven Sent was masterful.
>>63138833
What? The Doctor had it in his possession first didn't he? Missy got it from Ohila.
ok, The Doctorwearing down a diamond wall over a few billion yearswas epic. It was epic for the Doctor, it was great use of a scientific idea. I can't help but find the use of Teleportation a bit iffy.
What if in the Rebel Flesh if the original Doctor died and the ganger became the protagonist of the series? we would call that bullshit.
did the same thing happen here?
I can find some reasons to shrug it off:
>the Doctor can die on every adventure, life is cheap
>It's a standard sci-fi trope,
>continuity is loose on DW anyway
>some interpretations of regeneration describe it like this anyway, (although changing/revitalising your cells is different from a copy being made from different cells)
>its fiction anyway
>he's creating 'splinters' from the machine rather than 'fresh' copies
inb4 "he's trans-matted before" I don't think it's been confirmed in the DW universe that teleportation works that way.
I'm reminded of the Clara saying, "The Souffle isn't the Souffle, its the recipe" but if you were the Souffle that wouldn't comfort you.
>>63138897
So it was really 2 billion years later? I figured time moved differently and/or it was a metaphorical nightmare until he figure out how to escape the dial.
>>63138900
He just fucking said that it isn't half-dalek, are you fucking deaf? If it is him its because he's human on his mother's side.
>>63138900
No. He explicitly states the prophecy was wrong.
>>63138900
Is this the Doctor Who equivalent of "they died in the plane crash and the island was purgatory?" Watch the fucking episode again and this time pull your head out of your ass so you can actually hear what's being said. Jesus Christ.
>>63138833
No, we see the Doctor give it to the Sisterhood of Karn in the prequel webisode to this season with instructions to give it to someone else.
>>63138900
No, the hybrid legend appears to state something like "A time lord will create a hybrid of two warrior races who will proceed to fuck shit up for Gallifrey." The Daleks assumed it was the Time Lords and the Daleks. The Doctor knows that wouldn't work, since he's already seen one. If it's the Doctor, one wonders how humans qualify as a warrior race, but then, that same thing would make Ashildr questionable. So, if she's possible, he's possible.
So it's basically confirmed the Doctor is half Dalek? Bravo moffat
>>63138973
just fucking stop
>tfw watched this episode and didn't understand shit
JUST
>>63138904
>your post
>shit
>>63138973
>>63138960
>how humans qualify as a warrior race
Because that's all we do
>>63138973
Yes, on his mother's side. Never stick your dick into an oversized fleshlight without checking, or it might happen to you.
>>63138900
He literally said there can't be a Dalek hybrid in the episode and explained why. However, the Doctor is half-human on his mother's side according to the movie from the 90's and my prediction since the beginning of Series 9 has been that's the hybrid.
Doctor Who always makes a point of the Doctor calling out humans for being a cruel and war-hungry race all the time, and they've made it clear Time Lords are great warriors. So, hybrid of 2 great warrior races? Time Lords and Humans, of course, and that would be the Doctor. He must have run away when he learned the truth about his mother being human.
>>63138594
>>63138657
Listen you two, the Teleporter pretty much replaces every atom of the Doctor's body, and takes the information to re-build him back again the exact same way he was. Not just from the "reboots", but straight up from the start. Right? That already makes him a technically different Doctor, but if you really take real life logics into play then the Doctor, and everyone for that matter, is no longer the person they were due to cells constantly dying and regenerating and being replaced until every atom that was in your body a few years or decades ago is no longer part of you. If you consider the copy from the teleporter "not the real Doctor" because it's just a rebuilt body, then really the Doctor has never been really the original one, because nature already replaces his body every now and then. Replacing a hammer's handle then replacing the head, all that crap.
Wait, so the Doctor is a Human/Timelord hybrid?
>>63138916
I can overlook teleporting in stories if they don't go into how it works but in this they made it very clear that it's a copy that comes out the other end and not the original
>>63138990
http://thatexactleaf.tumblr.com/post/134158854650
>>63139017
I think it's going to be metaphorical. Like he spent so much time with humans he's part-human now. No way Moffat is going to return to this ill-conceived bullshit. He has his own ill-conceived bullshit.
>>63139010
Yes, but if Doctor Who is any guide to judge from, we do it poorly. How many times have we stepped in the shit in that series and doomed ourselves but for the grace of him. Real world? No, we clearly fucking aren't, or there'd be no such thing as a refugee. People would stand up to every random despot and overlord. Humans aren't warriors, realistically.
>>63138960
>one wonders how humans qualify as a warrior race
One wonders if you've ever seen an episode of NuWho before. The Doctor yells at humans for being violent baboons like twice per series.
>>63139056
>implying it will be answered
It's just going to be teased ambiguously then the story will move along.
>>63139066
twice per episode really
>the doctor is half dalek
what the fuck? i'm done. i'm fucking done. moffat has gone too far.
>>63139066
>The Doctor yells at humans for being violent baboons like twice per series.
More like twice per episode
>>63139066
Being violent is not the same as being a warrior. We always blow it when it comes to making war in Doctor Who.
>>63139094
>another retard who didn't actually pay attention
>>63139017
>>63137127
Thread's theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnhf0Ai6NM
>the Doctor is now half Dalek half Timelord
LMAO. THIS IS FUCKING FANFICTION TIER. HOW DO YOU FAGS KEEP WATCHING THIS SHIT? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>63139112
no we blow it when we act like cartoon villains
Doc never lets us go to war, and when we dare to cross him on the matter (the Sycharax) he goes apeshit
>>63139029
what does information mean in this sense?
I don't science
>the doctor is half dalek
seriously?
>hurr durr what would be an interesting twist let's make the doctor half Dalek half time Lord surely no one has thought of that before I'm a genius!
FUCK OFF. Thanks for putting the final nail in the coffin for this show, Jesus Christ it's fucking fan fiction.
>>63139146
>>63139162
people are already suspecting fakes. if you want to actually troll people wait until next thread.
>>63138305
but he wasn't off screen? for most of it he was the only thing on screen?
what a fucking retard
>>63139141
making this before he gets the last bit of footage
0/10
-excluding for specials
it was good until it was revealed the doctor was half dalek. what the living shit? just no. no more moffat.
That was the most butchered and conceptually flawed piece of crap I've ever seen.
>every single room resets
>the soup, the petals, the window, everything
>except room 12 because the Doctor needed a way out
>doctor dies trillions of times to save himself
>no paradoxical effect whatsoever
Some fucking loon is spouting about how in Hell Bent the beloved original Type 40 Doctor's TARDIS will be destroyed and he will take a new model TARDIS thats no longer a police box or something. Losing something and then being able to replace it is fine but the TARDIS is something that can never be replaced in the show. You can change the logo, the companons, the doctor, the writers, the fucking premise, but that blue box is too iconic to fuck up. Even if its a new tarids with the same skin, killing and replacing whats considered the doctors oldest (sentient, let me remind you) friend is shit.
Or theres no truth to this, the same /who/ told everyone last week that the Hybrid was the yellow daleks Eternal and the doctor was using them to revive clara over and over again
>>63138682
>Before The Flood
>great tier
>not turbo-diarrhea tier
ya fucked up
>>63138760
I think people just liked the part where the doctor tells the Atraxi to fuck off.
>>63138911
yeah I forgot it was in the davros episode
too bad this is the end of capadi's run
>>63138916
its a common philosophical question. If you get teleported, and you remain there but everything is moved to another place theres two yous and they kill the first one.
Is that still you dying?
Pretty much yeah.
Is it hard to stomach?
Pretty much yeah.
Given that his regenerations actually kill his every cell in his body anyways and he retains his memories you could say its no different. Basically the timelords figured a way to keep him alive until he could physically enter gallifrey to get around the timelock. Its pretty amazing, like in The End of Time where they made the Master insane to have him summon the timelords with the diamond thingie.
>>63139173
>>63139162
>>63139146
>>63139094
Look at this low quality samefagging bait
>>63138454
Your cells and atoms are getting replaced constantly, dumbass. You are not the atoms but the pattern of the atoms. Your consciousness is an emergent feature of that pattern, not of any particular individual atoms. It is the pattern which is transported and maintained.
>>63139155
Well, this is science fiction, but from what the Doctor says in this episode the teleporter must work like a 3D printer. One that destroys the original object and, with the data it scanned or whatever, and prints it on another location (in this case, inside the 'teleporter'). The information, the data, would be everything that makes the Doctor from that specific moment he teleported, down to the smallest detail, every bone, every hair, every cell, every memory.
>>63139204
trillions teleportation doctors dying
>I'm strangely OK with this
destroying and replacing the old girl
>fuck off and burn in hell Moffat
he wouldn't, would he?
>>63139204
bullshit
>>63139266
But what if it failed and he got dumber because of it?
>Based Capaldi is the current Doctor
>Big Finish's NuWho embargo is virtually gone
>getting an audio series featuring Based War Doctor and 10th dramas set during the only good 10th season
>BBC now counts audios as canon
Why is this such a good time to be a Who fan? Only other fandom with this much HYPE is Star Wars, and that's going to be dried up by mid next year.
>>63139205
Before The Flood was perfectly solid. I've yet to see one legitimate complaint as to why it's a bad episode.
>>63138682
Mate Heaven Sent is Blink tier.
In fact it works as a good compliment to Blink.
>>63139029
>every atom that was in your body a few years or decades ago is no longer part of you
That's not even true. For example, your teeth are the same ones you've had in your head since they first grew. Even when you had baby teeth, the adult teeth were just underneath them waiting to come out. They can't repair themselves and you can't regrow them, they are what they are and they're never replaced.
I believe you don't re-grow neurons, either, so once your brain is done developing that's your brain for the rest of your life. Since the brain is what makes you who you are, and it is never replaced, you are always you.
It's a myth and misconception that every cell in your body gets replaced at some point, just go do some minor research on the subject.
Also, the copy-Doctor doesn't have a rebuilt body, he has a copied body. He could have, theoretically, gone into that room before he died and made as many copies as he wanted if he had some kind of battery to power the machine. Would you say that all the copies were the exact same person? They can't be. At a minimum, they would all have different memories of what location they are in the rooms and what order they came from the teleporter, and that difference of memory would make them all fundamentally unique.
In the same way, each Doctor copy in the episode has a different experience of what time they're in. The Doctor at the beginning sees the stars have shifted 7000 years worth, and the Doctor at the end sees a shift of 2 billion years. The original Doctor (and all but one copy) dies in the dial, but the final copy actually escapes and is experiencing things outside the scope of the lives of the copies before him. They all each have unique experiences and memories insofar as how much of the diamond wall has been broken through and how much of the story they get to tell.
So yeah, it's a different Doctor. The original is dead.
>>63139062
Its not the humans. They would have died countless times if the Doctor wasn't there.
He protected them in their early days. Remember that later on they just go out and literally fuck everything. They survived until the end of time. And the Doctor is a really shitty timelord and he managed to outclever their entire race because he was stupid enough to use The Moment.
I hope they bring up where that thing is now.
>>63139066
He's a hypocrite, he's killed countless species. He's literally like hitler x 1000.
>>63139190
dude read it again. He said if someone would take an episode of Emmerdale farm and rename it Dr. Who
Would you be mad if the Hybrid stuff is the reason The Doctor left Gallifrey?
>>63139358
>he was stupid enough to use The Moment.
>I hope they bring up where that thing is now.
Admit it, you'll shit yourself to death in surprise if you see Billy Piper next week.
>>63139335
The story hinges on fake-outs being justified by ontological paradoxes. Effectively, writer used faux-cleverness (Characters acting the way they do because they do) to avoid having to give them actual motivation.
Also, villain was underdeveloped.
>>63139324
Assuming Force Awakens is good, there's probably enough residual hype to coast to the next movie
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-28/guess-who-modelled-for-the-skulls-in-doctor-who-episode-heaven-sent
>>63139315
That should be the least of your worries, anon. See all those flies in the episode? imagine if one of them got inside the teleporter...
>mfw Orson Pink isn't Danny and Clara's descendant, Orson Pink is Danny acting like he's still human, not a Time Lord and trying to keep the timeline stable
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>>63139062
Humans are a warrior race. There is no such thing as a typical warrior society without non-combatants, just look at Ashilder's village as an example. That doesn't mean that humans aren't a war-like and war-hungry species.
Even the Timelords have non-warlike Galifreyans seen in the next episode. The only 100% warrior race in the show are the genetically engineered and manufactured ones like Daleks and Sontarans.
>>63139335
I think you could sum up my biggest problem with it as a complete and utter lack of ambition - it does absolutely nothing new. The whole thing seems to build to a "wah-wah" punchline of "who wrote Beethoven's 8th?" and I was literally sitting slack-jawed at that line going "That's it? We spent a whole two-parter just talking about something that The Big Bang covered in ten minutes? Even then, we didn't need an explanation of it!"
But also I think a lot of other things just absolutely misfired. The Fisher King was a bad, generic villain (with a great design, mind), Paul Kaye was absolutely wasted playing a one-note joke that had already been done three seasons ago, the setting of Before the Flood was both wasted and pointless, not to mention its weird "don't meet your past self" plotline going nowhere and affecting nothing. Toby Whithouse seems to want the Doctor to be an angsty 90s anti-hero in a way that's just boring and dull now that he's not obsessing over the Time War. For some reason, they killed the black guy first and had a woman die to feed one of the male characters' angst, which is so crass and overdone for a show that normally is savvy enough to recognize those cliches and not play straight into them.
It's just a leaden, boring, predictable two-parter that exemplifies everything I don't want the show to be.
>>63139255
You're literally scientifically and medically incorrect. Not every cell in your body gets replaced. And if you make a copy and destroy the original, the original no longer exists to experience anything. He experiences death and it ends there, but the copy lives on to build memories and experience things. Externally the Doctor APPEARS identical, but internally he's not the same Doctor(s) who died in the castle.
Please watch this short video which explains why a copy and an original are two distinct entities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc
So let me see if I've got this down,
Doctor dies and uses his last burst of strength to trigger the teleporter, which has the Doctor's template on, then that teleported Doctor does the same x6,000,000
So then the Doctor dies again and triggers the teleporter again, then the teleported doctor punches the diamond and gets through to Gallifrey.
But what about the paradox of him not killing himself? The Doctor's time stream was to run round the castle for a week, punch the glass and then die, who saved the Doctor if the Doctor wasn't there to save the Doctor?
>>63139324
>Only other fandom with this much HYPE is Star Wars
I'd argue, regarding TV and movies, the fandom behind capeshit (but mostly Marvel) would also qualify. Go back to when Spider-man was confirmed for the MCU if you want to see some hype.
>>63139414
Yeah, but there's something mysterious about a whole new era of Star Wars approaching. Each new era is a new sandbox for EU writers to play in. Once that shroud is lifted, there's no more mystery. And a new era will never be this special again, since Disney is going for yearly releases.
>>63139294
I honestly had no beef with the teleportation clone thing because it was linear, was a cool twist, made sense, and keeps up with how a teleporter would theoretically work. Plus we're ued to the doctor dying, its like 12 regenerating into 12 without wasting a regen. idgaf.
But the old girl? fuck no thats the line, perfrctly replaced or not.
>>63139352
>I believe you don't re-grow neurons, either,
You do. Not at nearly the same rate, but by fifty, you've replaced your brain.
Also, your teeth? They do repair, just at a rate much, much slower than tooth decay occurs, so yes, you would end up with total cellular replacement in the course of a lifetime.
Also, there not being a god, or a soul (I mean, come on, let's not be children) you are just the result of a second order effect produced from emergent patterns in your brain's chemical and electrical activity. If I could duplicate those, I could duplicate you. Perfectly. To the point that you would be indistinguishable from your original..
So, copy or not, it doesn't matter. He's the same person.
so if Ashildre/Me is the Hybrid I find it funny the Timelords were frightened of the cyberbullied Mire and some ancient Barbarians race mixing.
It was all in his mind/confession box.
Think he painted the Clara painting?
