Is /tv/ able to discuss what is objectively the best thing currently airing on television or has it finally devolved into all memes and no substance?Knick thread
>>63077565
It's a brilliant show. One of the best things out there, much better than Meme in the High Castle or the Walking Pleb
NoBut that's a good thing
>>63077565
I'm curious how it's objectively the best show on television and how you quantify that.
>>63077565
This and The Leftovers are probably my favorite shows atm. Thinking about watching the new season of Fargo too.
>>63077617
I'm not sure if it's one of the best things out there. It's a perfectly adequate period drama with some interesting elements, and I think the fact that it's relatively unknown is causing people to hyperbolize its quality.
>>63079785
It's the best show on television by any measure. It runs circles around everything else with it's writing, direction, and acting. It's wholly unique and is pushing the envelope at the same time.
>>63079819
Leftovers and Fargo are utter shit comparatively.
>want to give The Knick a try
>all of the results for "the knick" on a tracker are basketball games
>>63079906
I can't fault its production or acting, I'm not convinced the show's writing hasn't deviated from common tropes though, I feel like it's a stretch to call it unique. Black doctor faces adversity, brilliant doctor is actually a fucked up drug addict, woman struggles for acceptance in leadership role, nothing particularly new in the context of that period's representation in media. I've only seen the first season but I feel like it has a lot in common with Deadwood, and it's about as edgy as it, graphic surgical scenes aside. What envelopes do you think it pushes?
>>63077565
>The handsome white surgeon turns out to be a proto-Nazi who castrates little boys during his spare time.
SJW's revenge fantasy bullshit.
>>63079994
It pushes the envelope in two ways. First, the production value is way beyond any other show and is on par with any recent dramatic movie. Second, the writing is so layered and the attention to detail is so precise that even if you are paying attention there are always a few things going on that you will either miss or will only reveal themselves if you chew on them and place them in the context of the rest of the show. If you boil the plot down to it's basic points than it might seem unremarkable, but any single scene of this show is richer and more beautifully presented than the whole rest of current dramatic television combined.
>>63080038
I've been rewatching the first season, and Gallinger's downfall is telegraphed from the first episode. The only procedure we see him do in the first few episodes he fucks up and then he's usurped by Edwards and things only get worse from there. The heel turn is more subtle than you give it credit for.
>Virginity is a man's idea meant to shame
SJW bullshit.
>>63080155
I see, maybe I haven't given it the critical eye you believe it deserves, but on the whole it hasn't captured my attention adequately enough for me to do so. I feel like I'm addressing it the same way I used to with Mad Men, in that I recognize its appeal but it fails to land with me entirely.
>>63077565
We talk about Fargo all the time
>>63080233
Mad Men never clicked with me either. I'd say give it a rewatch, Soderbergh's striking cinematography makes it worthwhile on visuals alone. The detailed setting makes it feel completely authentic, as though you are legitimately getting a chance to see life 100 years ago, and how it compared to today.
>>63077565
Leftist garbage really. Nice cinematography though.
>>63079965
The Blu-Ray is truly worth the investment.
>>63080324
No, it's just an ok show.
If you want an excellent period drama watch Deadwood.
>>63080400
Deadwood is great, I love it. The Knick is better.
>>63079849
Name a better drama currently airing.
>>63080467
That's not true though. If you take out the social justice pandering it might be on par.
>>63080664
It has no more social justice pandering than Deadwood did. Which I think is very little, more like none.
>>63080603
Fargo, The Leftovers, Les Revenants
>>63080038
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>>63080664
>Is /tv/ able to discuss what is objectively the best thing currently airing on television or has it finally devolved into all memes and no substance?
Nope.
>>63080722
Fargo and Leftovers don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same thread as The Knick. I haven't seen Les Revenants.
>>63080603
It's intellectually dishonest to pose that question, as it's only indicative of the state of televised drama, rather than functioning as any sort of objective proof that the show is actually "one of the best".
Best shows currently airing: No Plebs Edition
1. The Affair
2. The Knick
3. The Leftovers
4. Fargo
>>63080724
This isn't the best show on television, fucknut.
>>63080784
He said "one of the best things out there", I assume he meant out there at the current time, not out available in general.
>>63080803
It could actually be the best show on television right now, but that only means television is currently so shitty and uninteresting that The Knick being marginally better than every lowest common denominator drama out there, which clearly entitles it to a permanent home in television canon.
You're a fucking moron if you think liking The Leftovers and Fargo means you have superior taste.
>>63080803
You forgot to call him an SJW.
>>63080838
I agree about the state of television being a shitty wasteland at the moment, but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with regards to it's permanent home in television canon. I think it's way more than marginally better than other current so-called prestige dramas and is solidifying it's place as an all-timer this season.
>>63080724
this thread is fairly civil and coherent, all things considered. it was clearly intended to be a circlejerk for the show, but it has accepted dissent fairly well.
>>63080664
>a televisions show that takes a political political position is inherently bad
>even if it fits perfectly in the context of the setting and story
I'm sorry you got triggered by an opinion that isn't yours.
>there are people who are incapable of understanding that people once thought in a different context than today
>Because shows are portraying exceptional cases at the turn of the century, it's Social Justice
Actually what would be SJW is if the show had none of these things and the show was far more sterile and equal-handed- which is entirely untrue for the period and would make it worse.
I'm almost certain it's only people under the age of 20 (children) are the ones calling this show 'SJW,' if this show panders to leftists/socialists than Deadwood was a Feminist's paradise.
>>63080791
>1. The Cukcers
MY FUCKING NIGGA
I nearly cried at the end of the newest episode. I dunno why it striked me like that.
>>63080892
>I agree about the state of television being a shitty wasteland at the moment
Holy shit you are a fucking pleb. Did you think the golden era of tv ended with BrBa? Kill yourself
>>63080892
That's just me being snippy in reaction to what I perceive as hyperbole, which triggers my autism. In terms of the discussion, I'm less interested in the show at this point and more into the examining the perception of a perfectly adequate show in context of the quality of everything surrounding it. It's like how 98% of horror films are complete garbage, so when a horror film succeeds in being even mildly coherent and interesting without shitting the bed, it's lauded as a classic because the bar for quality is so low. I guess what this whole discussion is doing is getting me to examine my standards, as The Knick is operating at a level I think most dramas should operate at by default, and even though most don't, I don't find that it warrants the extreme praise it's receiving as a result of the dearth of quality that surrounds it. But really it's just going to keep circling back around to the fact that subjectively, the show doesn't do much for me, whereas you're enamored with it and prone to lavishing praise on it, as you appreciate it way more than I do.
Why is Cleary so based?
>that hypnotism ruse
>>63081047
I admit I am prone to hyperbole, and I may be latching on to this show tightly because there is nothing else on its level. But I still think that despite operating on a supremely above-average level it is saying a lot of interesting things as well in expertly delivered ways. I've been hyped for things after the first viewing before and then realized their shortcomings later on or after a subsequent watch. With this show each rewatch is engaging and rewarding, which I think is the mark of the best the medium has to offer.
>>63081085
Hardest I've laughed at a tv show in a while.
>>63081009
The last episode nearly got me like three times including that final scene, it was the most affecting hour I'd seen in a long time.
