This movie is an unbelievable piece of shit and I was wondering what /tv/ thought about it. Kind of embarrassing seeing Gosling's debut be so derivative without any real substance in the writing or characters.
What would fix the movie? Seems like it was this aimless attempt at "arthouse".
It's a bit like when Robert Rodriguez made Sin City and had Frank Miller around, and suddenly Frank Miller got the idea that he could be a director too so he went and made his movie (The Spirit) but literally just did what he saw Rodriguez do, no real thought or originality. This felt like Goose trying his hardest to be Refn.
>>63065646
Great post and 100% true.
The film has some issues but it's still better than every single movie this year that was given a positive rating on rotten tomatoes. It is better than every single film that will be nominated for an oscar.
>>63065690
Mind expanding on that? Seemed incredibly shallow and pointless.
>>63065646
Excellent point and very well put
>>63065690
Yeah agreed entirely
Opening scene where bully is shouting from the car and the cool clear water scene are two things I found myself rewatching due to how much I liked them, despite the fact that I didn't love the movie
its a great irony that the majority of people who chide the film for being derivative are just parroting shit they've read online
>>63065595
>without any real substance in the writing or characters.
What do you mean?
>art movie being derivative is some terrible sin
>mean while more mainstream inflected regurgitated schlock is given a critical pass every single year
You could take the critics who shit all over this more seriously if they didn't go on to praise Jurassic Park 4 and Fast and Furious 7. Even if it doesn't bring anything new to the table it will be a nice stepping stone for teenagers to get into actual films rather than simply serving as a the latest commercial for some ongoing toyline.
>>63065908
The characters, as I understand them, aren't all that well written or interesting, except for Matt Smith's character, and Eva Mendes to a much lesser degree. Boring, uninteresting leads I didn't really feel any connection with. I watched it twice in a row just to feel something other than nice visuals and occasionally good music but nope.
The trailer gives me the impression of Gummo with a Refn aesthetic, which appeals to me.
>>63066012
Why aren't they interesting? Why don't you feel connected to them? Seems like a problem with you more than the movie.
>>63065798
In my defense, I haven't heard anything about this movie outside of it being mentioned here once or twice. The worst i heard was that it was Malick lite, which I personally didn't agree with.
>>63065916
I would think reviewing this and something like Jurassic World would require two different mindsets, expectations and approaches. I think its more apt to compare it to Only God Forgives and other movies like that. I loved Only God Forgives which a lot of people hate, so I understand the annoyance with that dismissive reaction but I just can't find much worth in this movie. I was hoping a fan of the film would be able to enlighten me as to what it actually did right.
>>63066048
Can you explain what it was you liked about them, or even remembered about them? So flat and uninteresting I thought
>>63066146
>Can you explain what it was you liked about them, or even remembered about them?
Why would that matter? I liked the characters because I thought they were interesting. But you apparently didn't. That's it, end of story. Why should there be logical reasons behind being attracted to something in art? And I was more involved with the mood and atmosphere of the film rather than the characters.
>>63066276
Just trying to get a discussion going m8. Figured I'd ask what people saw in them because I felt they were flat and uninteresting, but I completely understand connecting with the atmosphere and mood more. Sort of like Beyond the Black Rainbow, which I kiked better even though it presented pretty much the same problems, because the atmosphere and tone were more consistent than it is here.
>>63065595
I watched it, wanting to like it so much, but I just didn't really find myself "getting it"
Don;t know if the moving having more of a traditional plot and storyline would attract more attention from a pleb like me
I'll probably rewatch it later and see how it goes
>>63065595
absolutely disgusting OP. I rate it among my favorites
FLICKS
1. Shining (Kubrick, 1980)
2. 一代宗師 / 一代宗师 (Kar-Wai, 2013)
3. L'inhumaine (L'herbier, 1924)
4. [달은 해가 꾼는 꿈] 예고편 (Park, 1992)
5. بادکنک سفيد (Panahi, 1995)
MOVIES
1. The Godfather, Part III (F. Coppola, 1990)
2. Á bout de souffle (Godard, 1960)
3. And a Little Kid Shall Lead Them (Griffith, 1909)
4. Kindsköpfe (Dugan, 2010)
5. Fear & Desire (Kubrick, 1953)
FILMS
1. Höstsonaten (Bergman, 1978)
2. Hets (Sjöberg, 1944)
3. The Birth of a Nation (Griffith, 1915)
4. 十二生肖 (Chan, 2012)
5. IIIIIIIIIIIIIII1891091718191611€€€€&-@ (Sandler, 2016)
CINÉMA
1. Mogambo (Ford, 1953)
2. Lost River (Gosling, 2014)
3. ¿Quién me quiere a mí? (Sáenz de Heredia/ Buñuel, 1936)
4. Eyes Wide Shut (Kubrick, 1999)
5. Der Student von Prag (Rye/ Wegener, 1913)
KINO
1. Berlin — Die Sinfonie der Großstadt (Ruttman, 1927)
2. Pauvre Pierrot (Reynaud, 1892)
3. Mauvais Garçons (1995, Bay)
4. Avatar (Cameron, 2009)
5. 劇場版ポケットモンスター ミュウツーの逆襲 (Yuyama, 1998)
ABSOLUTE KINOGRAPHY
1. Interstellar (Nolan, 2014)
2. L'ascension du chevalier noir (Nolan, 2012)
3. 01010101 01101110 00100000 01000011 01101000 01101001 01100101 01101110 00100000 01000001 01101110 01100100 01100001 01101100 01101111 01110101 (1928, Luis Buñuel)
>>63067632
this is my favorite copypasta
>>63065595
>What would fix the movie?
I've been trying to come up with a response and juggled various ideas, but it just isn't possible without critically harming some of the main ideas in the movie. It's not very good as it is, though. It's like a pretty, but bad mish-mash of good ideas.
>>63067826
I think reflecting on it a bit, I don't think I could properly tabulate whats wrong with the movie, the characters could work if there were a strong narrative to it, or a more consistent pace and visual tone but like you said its a mish-mash of ideas.
This film will slowly grow a solid reputation over time. I guarantee it. Its worst flaw for me is that it is too disjointed and feels like the problem I have when writing. Lots of great ideas but no way of connecting them. Goose said "fuck it" and did it anyway.
One thing we should all agree on is that the soundtrack is amazing, although I'd expect no less from Johnny Jewel.
>>63065595
i bet you like fury road
>>63068450
Not really, over saturated and underwhelming, I wasn't impressed. I bet your parents never loved you.
>>63065595
I actually liked it quite a bit. More than Only God Forgives.
>>63067632
>no Kübertorm (2015, Mann)
>no L'Ascension du Chevalier Noir (2012, Nolan)
>no Hämmästyttävä Hämähäkkimies (2012, Webb)
>no Fiction pulpeuse (1994, Tarantino)
>>63069767
>no L'Ascension du Chevalier Noir (2012, Nolan)
Its in my Absolute Kinography column
the rest are too mainstream
>>63069791
Kübertorm is beyond Absolute Kinography fa͏m. it is a transcendent and poetic masterpiece. a metaphysical poem, some may say.
>>63066276
you sound like a complete fucking moron
"I'm too stupid to be able to formulate reasons as to why I actually like this movie so I'll just dismiss all conversations about art because art is just all subjective and you can only go by gut-feeling so that's the end."
>>63069873
>quotation marks
fresh fish
>>63069900
>his only criticism is that the guy didn't use meme arrows
no go on and complain about how I wrote ''meme arrows'' instead of greentext. you just dug your own grave and jumped in, pleb
>>63069960
im not the one youre arguing with I just found the quotation marks fascinating when theres an obvious language here
eitherway, hello
>>63069989
hello to you too
I enjoyed it.
Watching films for the plot is like listening to music for the lyrics. Absolute plebeian. Then again I guess most people here enjoy rap so whatever, most of you also enjoy kekold porn so I guess it makes sense.
>>63065646
Frank Miller doesn't fit in at all in Hollywood, he should stick to writing shitty comics. Goose on the other has access to writers and directors, this should be a solid knock out of the park but it isn't
>>63070109
>le don't watch le plot xD
nobody watches a movie or listens to a song for just one aspect of the movie or song. if you bother including a plot or lyrics, then fucking make them good, you lazy hack.
>durr but you should ignore parts of a movie to enjoy the movie
Total piece of shit, I don't get how he got so much talent (both in front and behind the camera) to be in it...
>>63070178
Most people like the 9th symphony and they have no idea what the lyrics are about. If it's good the lyrics are irrelevant. Do you care about the unsung lyrics in the Four Seasons? In Lascia ch'io pianga? In Indes Galantes?
Same applies to sculpture, poetry, literature, etc. Plot draws the plebs, nothing more.
>>63065595
Embarrassing pleb trash. It makes me feel bad for Goose, guy needs to stay in front of the camera.
>>63069873
Never has this image been more appropriate.
>>63069873
See >>63071243
Can you provide any quick rational reasons as to why some music, paintings or literature are considered so deeply beautiful? People spend lifetimes, sometimes using advanced mathematics to try to find the origin of "beauty". Their efforts are admirable but does not give a definitive reason as to why you are attracted to a certain work. Yes, it is deeply subjective - it's why art critics always used to talk about the sublime, especially in the works of Romantics like Beethoven.
