What does /tv/ think of Troy?
I personally think it's really under-appreciated, especially the director's cut. The sense of scale is amazing and the CGI is actually quite reserved. The ancient Greek warfare was much more fun to watch than it was in 300, or any other movie since in my opinion.
Also, what a based cast
It's unfaithful to the Iliad af, but I don't really care because it's a movie with epic scale and casting. Eric and Brad do a very good job along with bean, but damn O'Toole and Cox just steal the show
i can't believe it came out 11 years ago
I like it a lot. I remember it getting a lot of shit on /tv/, but I think it's pretty solid. The only thing that really bugged me was that Helen was so unremarkable, but I guess that's just a matter of taste.
I could watch Brian Cox as Agamemnon all day, every day.
Pitts defining role.
He was born to play achilles one of the most alpha guys of all time
>>62992893
We don't get epics like this anymore, actual good ancient myth movies.
Wtf is Wolfgang doing these days anyway? He made neverending story, this, and das boot, he should get way more
It's probably the best sword and sandal movie in recent memory. Not particularly good, but I rather like it for what it is.
Love the battles.
It wasn't a cheesy CGI fest like most sword and sandal movies these days. The acting was good, and the battles were awesome.. It's not technically a great movie but its entertaining, which was its ultimate purpose
most realistic bronze age battle ever depicted on film
I need more movies or tv like this stuff, it motivates me for some reason
(spartacus > the wire > sopranos)
that speech he gives right before landing on the beach gives me chills
>>62993981
Ironic because it never happened.
>>62992893
Best body aesthetics of all time>>62992893
>>62994029
Rome. Based John Milius worked on it.
It's an alright movie for what it was.
Obvious to tell how overbudget they went though.
>mfw my class and I are going to watch this as our first film viewing
Already saw it a lot of times but still pretty good even after so many views
>>62992893
>see thread
>new window
>piratebay
>troy downloading
>back to thread
Anyone else do this?
>>62992893
One of my favourite movies.
>>62992893
It's shit
>>62995617
I think half the movies on my hard drive are done in this way.
>>62995773
Thanks for your input. The posters of /tv/ always love to hear differing opinions, put in mature and thoughtful posts,with good grammar and punctuation.
Should have made an Iliad movie, not this watered down shit.
Why HAVEN'T we gotten an Iliad movie? Doesn't anyone want to pony up for the effects?
God I hate how beta Orlando Bloom's character is
Bana, Pitt and Cox more than make up for it though.
>"That's why no one will remember your name."
Is there a more scathing burn than that?
>>62992893
if you had amazing long hair why would you push the hair up in front like that. it looks like a goddamned mullet
I honestly don't care how inaccurate it is, it's one of those few modern movies that has the genuine feel of a classic Hollywood epic. Movies like Christian bale Moses don't even come close to te massive scale of this one
>>62995821
I think we did get one.
>>62995821
It's too highbrow for Hollywood plus it would have to be a very hard R, which no longer gets big budgets.
>>62995910
How can you take historical accuracy seriously in an entirely fictional work?
>>62995821
>Should have made an Iliad movie
literally what Troy is though
I think you mean the Odyssey, but are retarded
>>62995969
I was referring to the Iliad. I was saying how many put it down for being unfaithful to the source
I Should've used that word
great film
>>62995948
You could fudge it and make it PG-13. There's no more killing in the poem than there was in one of the Lord of the Rings movies.
>>62995922
Fucking love that movie, good taste anon
Too highbrow? Including the scene of Achilles's introduction with the two women? The movie had pretty bad dialogue and removing religious aspect from the story was a mistake in hindsight.
Pitt plays it well enough, "Is there no one else?" But there aren't enough ironies in the script. It's a pity that it came out when it did, preferring Gladiator-esque battle scenes to Characterisation within monologues.
Compare it with Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressia, which is full of humour and irony. All of the characters have rhyming elements on the opposite side of the conflict as well.
>>62995991
Carry on then.
>>62995922
I would love to see George Lucas direct a Greek Epic, with the aid of a Stan Winston style creature shop. Ideally translating something like Aristophanes to the screen.
My reasoning for this is that Lucas is entirely Classical in outlook, preferring strong archetypes to Characterisation, and in In Greek drama, that is actually a strong asset, whereas in Western Drama, it's quite primitive.
Diane kruger dids :DDDD
>implying she wasn't literal perfection in this movie
>>62992945
The Iliad isn't something that can put on the screen, to be fair. Hell it hardly works in print, since it's really only comprehensible if you're already up on your ancient greek culture, history, and religion.
>>62996138
George Lucas's The Odessey
Make it happen hollywood
I like it a lot. It had proper casting, set pieces, and like you said, it did the action scenes tastefully. 300 is a disaster to watch.
Achilles/Hector is still my favorite duel in any movie.
Myrmidons, my brothers of the sword...
>>62996145
God damn. I must have blown so many underage loads to her.
>>62995922
>an Iliad movie
>The-Odyssey-1997.jpg
>I think we did get one.
>>62996145
I spend a lot of my teenage time trying to find more Lewds. Shame she didn't have many
>>62995821
A faithful adaptation of the Iliad wouldn't work because the narrative flow is constantly broken by stuff that is superfluous to the story. For example, all the divine interventions aren't necessary at all and the scenes where they occur could just as easily be done without them. All the overwrought speeches and shittalking would have to be truncated so much that most might as well be cut altogether. The final confrontation between Hector and Achilles is pretty lame in the book because Hector pusses out and tries to run away. Etc.
>>62996180
Or even George Lucas' Troilus and Cressida, starring a wan-looking Hayden Christensen as the lover, Troilus...
I'm not asking for a big-budget extravaganza here, folks... Even a small Thames-style production would suit my needs!
>>62996247
same shit family
Tbh I really think it's not a good movie. IMO the cast is just terrible, Brad Pitt and Bana where too pretty for Achilles and Héctor. I love Cox, but he looks small and weak for King Agamemnon. Bean it's ok, nothing more, nothing less.
As some anon said, Paris it's extremely beta, mucho more than it should. The only good cast choice was Ajax.
It's just a movie with pretty people, flashy fights and cliches.
I want a much more serious and well casted Troy War film.
>>62996235
one of the best speeches in a movie
James Horner made such an epic score for this. Damn, He was a master
I really liked this movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzy7IjINbw
The combat was amazing
>>62996145
>forgetting superior Troy-fu
>>62995879
he stole helen though
>>62996490
The only reason he got her was because he had to stroke a goddess's ego since he couldn't get his own woman
Definitely underappreciated like Kingdom of Heaven. The fight between hector and achilles was amazing
https://youtu.be/hAPmHGwvxwU
Personally I thought it was super retarded.
It's good, pleb-tier movie. But too cliche and too Hollywood. I still like watching it every now and then because its better than most movie of this genre (like compared to the newer Clash of the Titans).
>>62996295
>The final confrontation between Hector and Achilles is pretty lame in the book because Hector pusses out and tries to run away. Etc.
Fucking this. I watched the movie years ago and this week I read the Illiad. The entire book I waited for this final duel expecting some unbelievable shit and all I got is Hector running away, circling the Troy four times and then getting killed almost immediately, after first or second Achilles' attack. That was disappointing.
>>62992893
national treasure gril was hot as fugg
>>62992993
I could watch Brian Cox as anything. He's a fantastic actor.
>>62992893
One thing I always wanted to know, about the legend of Achilles itself, was that if his character was exaggerated. Kind of like how Davy Crockett was in frontier America. There's just so much to Achilles in legend to make him look drawn out. Added to the fact that the Greeks were the winners of that war and wrote the history. Ironically the Romans who hated Achilles' faction didn't right "The true story behind Achilles that much".
Also would you suppose that Philostratus was on to something when he claimed Achilles and Ajax were both giants ranging up to 15 and 30 feet tall?
>>62997935
They were big guys
>>62997962
it had to happen....
>>62997758
He does realize he's going to die. And he stayed out to give the other Trojans cover to retreat inside of the walls.
Also it goes back to what I was wondering here >>62997935, that the whole Hektor running thing was merely a beefed up propaganda writing of the Greek faction of that era.
>>62997935
How is he drawn out compared to any other Greek hero? And Romans hated Achilles only because he killed Trojans (whom they considered to be their ancestors).
Romans hated people like Odysseus, Diomedes etc even more.
As for Philostratus, he's merely repeating a commonly held belief people had in the ancient world, and there is literary evidence within the Iliad to suggest that the heroes were of supereme stature, furthermore, the supposed tombs of the heroes like Ajax were discovered and apparently their bones were rather large.
>>62997758
It entirely makes sense within the thematic content of the Iliad, this is why the film is rather poor in that respect.
>>62998113
>How is he drawn out compared to any other Greek hero?
I wasn't asking if he was more drawn out than other heroes, but I was asking about Achilles himself. Achilles also was the most greatest warrior of that war. Thus he'd naturally receive more prop ups and such.
Yeah the Romans hated the greek faction and claimed lineage from Troy. That much was established and known. My question was why then didn't they make their counter story. Kind of like neo-confederates will claim Lincoln as the badguy as opposed to US history making him one of the greatest presidents of all time.
With Philostratus, his proposition is much more interesting. If his "Giants" claim is true then maybe it would explain and back up the Greek exaggeration of this story. That his victories in combat were in fact real because he was f'n 30 feet tall and like Goliath on the battle field. It would also explain Hektor's reason on running from him.
>>62992893
I agree, OP. It had some very enjoyable fight scenes and good acting. Also, sadfu
I just don't understand why some movies get this treatment. Is it herd mentality?
>>62995617
yep, downloadin directors cut 1080p as we speak
>Pitt's "English" accent
Shit movie desu. Pic related. Also Llamas.
>>62995617
>piratebay
What is it like being a kek?
All I remember is Brad Pitt yelling HECTOOOOR.
>>62998583
>ctrl+c
>ctrl+v
>ctrl+v
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>ctrl+v...
What's people's problem with a sack of wine?
It was great. People get mad about historical accuracy or some shit, in a film about a fucking myth in a period we don't know too much about.
>Do you know what's waiting beyond that beach? Immortality! Take it! It's yours!
>>62999036
why did he hold his sword so weird when saying that?
>>62992893
Pretty comfy flick
>>62998583
There weren't even enough people alive in Troy to fill all those many ships back then.
>>62999064
Real men hold swords by the blade.
I think everything in Troy is bronze.
>>62992893
>The ancient Greek warfare was much more fun to watch than it was in 300,
that's because it wasn't ancient greek warfare
it was ancient greek d-day
pfc achilles take out those machine gun archers and secure the left flank !
not to mention it pulled the - everyone in command is an utter retard so our hero can warn them of a bad plan only for them to ignore it due to overconfidence that was caused by an earlier victory thanks to the here card on us
>>62994029
Shame Spartacus took such a nose dive in later seasons. They could have really told a cool story in S3&4, but S3 they just stuck around the same spot the whole time. Should have been a grander scale showing them actually REBELLING.
>>62999136
Why didn't the allies use shields on D-day? Could have saved a lot of lives, and it's an ancient invasion.
>>62999136
>Implying 300 was
Why can't we have a nice R rated realistic ancient warfare flick?
Shit must have been beyond brutal: a rush from the attacker, violent clash at the meeting point and gritty 1vs1 close quarter battles
>>62999119
Retard
>>62999181
Good luck blocking that mg fire
>>62993028
>Pitt
>Alpha
The man looks the part but inside he's still the same pimplefaced teenager working at El Pollo Loco.
>>62992893
It was pretty good for what amounted to basically being a kids movie. Meh cinema, but watchable.
>>62999036
We actually know quite a lot because the period has been in the focus of historical science for hundreds of years now.
>>62999247
They should have used bombes to bomb down giant magnets onto the beach so that the magnets would attract the bullets and not the soldiers.
If I could go back in time I would give this tech alongside jet propulsion and nuclear weapons to Hitler so he could win.
Really good wouldn't watch the whole movie more than once a decade but watch the swordfights alot as they're some of the best on film.
All stagefighting ofcourse but really worthy of Achilles stuff.
>>62998266
Eh, when it comes down to it is Achilles really more impressive than any of the other Greek heroes? I mean his entire story is a juxtaposition of glory and tragedy, he is only the greatest warrior if the goes down the path of his death. Compare that with figures like Heracles, Odysseus, Theseus, Perseus who all achieved great feats (some greater than Achilles') yet had 1/10th of his suffering.
Virgil did do that with the Aeneid, whereupon they describe the Greeks as bloodthirsty, godless savages that kill suppliants upon the altar of gods and rape women willingly. Jupiter's prophecy that the Romans will rule the world and the Greeks is essentially saying that the Trojans will get their revenge.
Unlike Agamemnon there is no historical Achilles that we know of, so historical philology upon the battle in regards to Achilles the person is somewhat pointless.
Great movie but I hate watching the second half when the Trojans get buttfucked.
>>62999119
>>62996178
>since it's really only comprehensible if you're already up on your ancient greek culture, history, and religion.
Lmfao, what a load of shit.
>>62992993
The other possibility for Helen was being a traitorous cunt piece of shit like she is in the Illiad and on every play involving that bitch.
>>62998531
Angelina must give him shit about it all the time.
>>62997935
>One thing I always wanted to know, about the legend of Achilles itself, was that if his character was exaggerated
Achilles was literally a fictional character
>>62998266
>people think the Trojan War was a real historical event
>>62996484
OMG I was sure I knew sadfu before "I give it a year"
Need to rewatch Troy arises
>>62995879
Paris is a lazy bitch faggot in the Illiad, though. Only Trojans worth a shit are Hector and Aeneas, and the latter is mostly due to Virgil working hard to make him relevant.
>>62997419
Director's Cut of KoH is by no mean underappreciated here, everyone loves it.
>>62999407
the Iliad is set in the bronze age m8, it's like a BBC period drama from Ancient Greece, Homer wasn't writing it in a contemporary setting
What made Eric Bana turn from a pretty big deal to a B list actor?
>>62998113
you realize the Iliad is fictional right
>>62997758
The Illiad is fun mostly for Diomedes and Ajax Telamon utterly wrecking shit while Agamemnon tries desperately to get Achilles to stop buttfucking his cousin.
>>62999846
>>62999897
Come on you can do better
>>62999911
its made up though m8
You won't have eyes tonight; you won't have ears or a tongue. You will wander the underworld blind, deaf, and dumb, and all the dead will know: This is Hector. The fool who thought he killed Achilles.
>Troy was not bad
When will this meme end?
It's pretty much exactly BOTFA. Shitty film with shiny pretty people and a few really good moments that give you a bit of hope for a few minutes....
>>63000142
To me Troy was much more enjoyable than Kingdom of Heaventhat half of /tv/ creams their pants over
>>62999247
Just use a thicker shield?
>>62996178
>Hell it hardly works in print, since it's really only comprehensible if you're already up on your ancient greek culture, history, and religion.
you are a certified retard
>>62996235
masketta man???!!!!
>>62999181
>>63000202
You'd need a giant 30kg shield in one hand to stop modern bullets, hardly practical when jumping out of a boat and running up a beech and using a 2 handed gun.
>>62992893
It was a pretty good and solid sword and sandal film.
The cast for the Achaean side is fucking awesome: I mean, you can't go wrong with Brian Cox, Sean Bean, Tyler Mane and Brendan Gleeson. Pitt is good, but too "pretty boy" to be fully convincing as Achilles.
As for the Trojans, Bana and O'Toole are the best, too bad we got fucking Bloom for Paris.
I liked that they condensed the story, but some character and situations changes are just plain awful. Turning Paris from a piece of shit cunt with evil intentions to a cowardly piece of shit cunt with good intentions still makes me cringe. But the worse is that they made based Hector kill Menelaus (who were nothing more than a drunkard woman-beater) to protect his sissy brother. For fuck's sake, Hector was a bro that valued honor the most, he would have kicked faggot Paris in the teeth and let him get killed by Menelaus for brininging shame and war to Troy and picking a fight with hele's legitimate husband.
More than ten years ago, I'm still kinda mad.
>tfw we never had an Odyssey movie with Bean returning as Ulysses.
>>63000822
>tfw we never had an Odyssey movie with Bean returning as Ulysses
I just hope that when I die, I wake up in a parallel universe where this exists
>>63000822
>Brian Cox, Sean Bean, Tyler Mane and Brendan Gleeson
One of these is not like the others
>>63000822
>Hector was
Fictional. In the film, Hector valued family more than martial glory or "honour".
Literally the worst version of the Iliad ever, as an Ancient Greek history enthusiast I felt insulted by this movie
>>63001033
But in the original source material aka the Iliad, Hector would have tell his brother to fuck off. Go read the Iliad you uncultured swine.
>>63001013
Yeah, I know. But you gotta admit he was fucking good Ajax.
>>63000935
Amen.
>>62998266
> Romans hated Greeks for destroying Troy, their ancestors
> Germany (all Reichs really) compared themselves to the Roman Empire
> Germany is sucking Greece dry
POTTERYEuropean history has been a 3000-year long reenactment of the Trojan War
IMMORTALITY
>>62998636
whats that? some private tracker thingy?
no love for based fucking ajax?
ROW YOU LAZY WHORES, ROW!! GREEKS ARE DYING!!
I guess its fitting that this is being written in the same month as Halloween. The thing is, it is right up there with any of the scenes you would see in a slasher movie. Apparently there are a handful of people who know this story, which is way more than you would expect with something of this significance. It happened about a decade ago on a film set outside the country. It involves a then A+ list mostly movie actor who was married at the time. Back then he was a quiet cheater and kept his indiscretions outside the country which is why he probably shot so many movies outside the US. Later he would change his strategy when it came to cheating and it backfired in a big way. Anyway, our actor was hooking up with a local woman. He was experimenting with drugs which he still does now. Usually he goes for more of the hallucinogenic variety rather than coke. Combined with the steroids and HGh he takes, he can be this rage machine that thinks he is seeing things. Since there were only two people in the room when it happened, no one knows for sure what led to it, but a woman was killed. The same woman he had been hooking up with. She had a broken neck and burns on her body. At the time it happened there was a massive hurricane in the area and no power. Production on the movie had been shut down because of the wind and rain. Our actor was staying in a house he was renting. One of the crew was called to the house by an assistant director and told to bring a tarp and some heavy duty tape. He went over to the house and the assistant director met him at the door holding a lantern. The crew member saw what he thought was a mannequin’s body lying on the floor. He thought it was a mannequin because he didn’t think it was possible for a human to be in that position. Probably why she was dead. He handed over the tarp and tape and then left.
>>63002762
Another crew member said that he was asked the same night if there was some kind of bulldozer available. He said yes, and when he was asked what it was needed for, he was told they just wanted to see if one was available in case there was extensive storm damage. When that crew member showed up at the holding area where the production kept all vehicles and equipment two days later, the lock to the gate was broken but nothing was missing. The bulldozer however was in a completely different spot and was covered in mud. What is bringing all of this together now is that the assistant director who was making all the calls is not receiving money from the actor any longer and has been talking to other people about selling the information he has about the woman and what happened.
Actor: Brad Pitt (at the time married to Jennifer Aniston)
Movie: "Troy" in 2004
Hurricane: The Greek seafront encampment was filmed at Playa El Faro Viejo (Old Lighthouse Beach), a couple of miles west of Cabo San Lucas itself. After most of the filming was completed, the walls of ‘Troy’ were substantially damaged by Hurricane Marty. With the climactic fight between Achilles and Hector still to shoot, the entire ‘gates of Troy’ set had to be rebuilt.
>>62998411
It came out at about the same time as Alexander, which was complete shit, and was unfairly grouped in with it.
It's a piss poor adaptation with a lot of faults, but I'll be damned if it isn't entertaining.
Pitt really nailed that fighting stance and technique.
Its a good movie. It has a really good fight scene.
>>62992893
>Spartans Mass
>The scene is grans with Spartans as far as the eye can see.
>You realize this movie is magnificent on a grand scale
>The attention to detail is staggering
>Every actor wearing correct coverings hand crafted to the smallest detail.
>The music is sweeping and beautiful
>Officers start yelling order
>Strong Scottish brogue's boom from the surround sound.
>You put accents of the officer out of your mind trying to take in the vast beauty of this period piece that was painstakingly created piece by piece.
>AYE YEE heard the man!! get up the beacvh ya wee girls!!!!!
>turns channel
>>62993028
>Raises kids from other races gets one every few months like fashion accessories
>Angelina won't let him impregnate her with disgusting white seed
>owns shit load of his property
>was Based Billy Bob's bitch
>Deals with her non sense and helps her make shitty pretentious movies
>Cuts her tits off because afraid of Cancer
>Alpha as fuck
