I know that I'm a little late to the party, but can we talk about this? There's some stuff I need to discuss.
I thought the movie was decent on it's own, mediocre maybe, but entertaining. But what was up with the story? It makes absolutely no sense, especially when considering the ties to the other craig-era movies they put in it.
So SPECTRE is supposed to be the end-all super powerful and dangerous organization that was behind everything that happened so far.
This means that Le Chiffre, Mr. White, Dominic Greene and Silva were all working for Blofeld. What was their vision though? What was their ultimate goal? Spying on 9 nations? How were ELLIPSIS, QUANTUM and Silva's bunch of clowns in any way related? Mr White even fuckjing killed Le Chiffre because he lost his clients' money.
Ok, let's just accept that for the sake of moving forward. What was Blofeld's ultimate goal? Torture and kill Bond because of his daddy-issue? How does SPECTRE play into this if at all?
It all just seems illogical if you think about it. No one's actions or motivations make any sense. M knew about Blofeld and wanted Bond to find him before she died? Then why didn't she just fucking tell him about it in Skyfall?
Was this 'plot' mapped out before they began with the production of the new Bond series? Because it seems like Sam Mendes pulled all of this out of this ass during a spectre rewrite, it's so poorly thought out. Mr White insists on how dangerous SPECTRE is and how impossible it would be for Bond to take them down, but in the end it was just another incapable bunch of guys with guns who end up being destroyed by Bond throwing an explosive watch at a table.
Opinions?
>>62751314
pretty much tried to shoe-horn all 4 movies together in the last 20 mins.
super retarded. it was a good movie up until the last act then it went full retard and wrecked everything.
personally, i will always love CR and QoS. and will watch one right after the other.
There is so much stuff that could have been cut from this movie and the story wouldn't have changed at all.
Cut all the ties to previous villains.
Cut the pointless L'Americain scenes.
Cut most of the bullshittery in Rome.
Blofeld should have had a much bigger presence in this film, as should have had his organization.
The movie keeps telling just how dangerous they are, but in the end it refuses to show anything for it.
Blofield literally did nothing wrong. He doesn't kill a single person in the movie. Bond murders hundreds of innocents at his progressive research center and obliterates the man's cat.
It felt really, really stale and been-there-done-that after the admittedly pretty nifty opening.
I mean the whole interlude with Monica Belucci? Wasted Potential.
The entire SPECTRE meeting turns into a comedy sequence when Batista walks in. They were trying to evoke some kind of classic henchman intro, but what kind of chickenshit outfit would have guy gouge some other guy's eyes out as his job interview?
The following car chase is lame. It just feels uneven and boring. Even Bond has better shit to do and calls Moneypenny in the middle of it.
Madelaine Swann is a really badly written character. They keep trying to sell her as a tough girl, but undercut almost everything she does by having her as the damsel in distress. On top of that she's completely schizophrenic. If she's supposed to make Bond get over Vesper Lynd, I'm out.
Waltz is wasted on the film. He makes things fun whenever he's on screen, but his screentime amounts to an extended cameo.
The movie also has a really horribly paced third act. It feels like the final shoot out should have taken place at Blofeld's secret base, while the rest of MI6 stops Moriarty from launching his Winter Soldier ripoff plot. But instead they staple another 20 minutes on to the film, making it feel too drawn out and underwhelming.
Have screenwriters forgotten how to pace a fucking movie? Does every film have to feel as drawn out and self important as Return of the King now?
Something fucky was definitely going on with this movie behind the scenes. So much of the script was half baked or didn't make sense.
>>62751980
I agree with most of this. I'm also wondering if Blofeld is supposed to become a recurring villain from now on, because it this was it then they really wasted both a classic character and a good actor.
The only person that wanted to be there was the cinematographer
Not any of the actors
Not the director
Not the screenwriter
I loved the action but thought everything in between was pretty boring.
Bond was just kind of wandering around the world and I had no idea why.
I'm also wondering how Sam Mendes managed to make this one loom so different from Skyfall, which was gorgeously shot.
In Spectre there were absolutely no scenes comparable to the Macau opening or the fight in the Shanghai skyscraper. Everything looked rugged, bland and boring.
What happened?
>>62751314
You shouldn't think about it too much, it doesn't make sense.
The action was good, scenery nice and women pretty, that's all you should want out of a Bond movie to be honest.
Also,
Eva Green > Léa Seydoux > Bernice Malone > Olga Kurylenko
>>62752080
Yeah execs weren't happy with the third act. They didn't fix it in the end though. The script and mails from the producers were in the sony leaks. Interesting to read when you've watched to movie.
http://defamer.gawker.com/new-bond-script-leaks-execs-scrambling-to-fix-awful-en-1670479885
Things they fucked up:
>Romance between Whites daughter and bond
Should have had great chemistry. This is the woman that's supposed to replace Vesper and Bond wants to give up his career for her. In the end she doesn't seem that different from any other bondgirl that has to be rescued all the time.
>Blofeld is Bonds 'brother'
That's just dumb. Not everything has to be personal. I like going back to his youth in Skyfall but this is too much. Way, way too much.Also, fucking Mike Myers did you Mendes wtf
>9 eyes project
It's never really woven into Bonds journey. It's like a b-plot and I don't like it. It should have been made clear that it would give Spectre some form of ultimate power we hadn't seen before.
>>62752331
yeah Spectre didn't seem any more menacing than all the other super secret organizations before.
>>62752249
Different cinematographer.
You think a director is the sole person responsible for everything that's good on a film?
Skyfall had motherfucking Roger Deakins on it.
Though I don't think it looked all that shabby. Just not as good as Skyfall.
Spectre had the dude who did Interestellar.
>>62751432
This.
Even apart from the whole "I'm the villain because daddy preferred Bond" bullshit, Blofeld did nothing that was not done in a worse manner by the MI6.
>>62751314
>It all just seems illogical if you think about it. No one's actions or motivations make any sense. M knew about Blofeld and wanted Bond to find him before she died? Then why didn't she just fucking tell him about it in Skyfall?
We don't know that she knew about Blofeld. She likely knew that there was an organization called SPECTRE.
Quantum is just a part of Spectre, so it's safe to say their goals are similar. Silva wanted revenge against M but he also seemed to be helping their scheme of eliminating the 00 program.
Worst Bond theme ever!
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>>62752249
I disagree, some shots were memorable, like the funeral scene or the SPECTRE meeting scene
>>62752383
Yup.
Maybe they'll fix it in the next one though.. with a tip of the iceberg kinda cop-out.
I'm pretty sure we're not done with Blofeld.
>>62752331
>It's never really woven into Bonds journey. It's like a b-plot and I don't like it. It should have been made clear that it would give Spectre some form of ultimate power we hadn't seen before.
I agree. It was a good way of bringing in real-world events but it was still awkwardly connected.
>>62752453
Sounds better inside the theater, imo
>>62752294
Olga was one of the few really good things about Quantum of Solace.
I'd put her second, after Eva.
The girl in Skyfall was literally done with after 5 minutes.
And Lea Seydoux may look cute, but couldn't pump any life into her wooden, shitty character.
>>62752494
I remember neither Berenice nor Olga which is why I decided between them based on their looks. For some reason Olga didn't do it for me.
>>62752494
Skyfall girl was Moneypenny though
>>62752472
Oh no, he's definitely going to be the villain for the next one.
the opening crediits made me cum
anyone else?
>craig
>bond
>Bellucci in the all of the marketing
>in the movie for 10 minutes
Sony kek
Mendes should have had Bond give Blofeld a tissue at the end for the daddy issue
Just a reminder that the line about Q's cats was subtle foreshadowing that he's the real head of SPECTRE and Oberhauser was just a convenient patsy.
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Does anyone feel like they're going with a more 'team-based' approach to bond?
It's like they're trying to form a little gang with M, Q, Moneypenny similar to the Mission Impossible series. I'm not really a Bond specialist but I can't recall those side characters ever having such a big role in the whole things.
>>62752453
Best theme since Nobody Does It Better, actually. Sorry about your shit taste my man.
Agree with a lot of stuff in this thread. The Bond's brother shit is dumb, the whole "My daddy loved you more than me, all I wanted was his love! ...That's why I killed him" shit was dumb, the super secret organisation that Bond brought down with a few bullets and a watch was dumb, trying to tie all the films together was dumb (Blofeld bringing up all his past under MI6 would be fine, then it shows how much SPECTRE really know, but don't claim he was behind Silva. Silva was a loose cannon) and there was a lot of wasted potential in not fully explaining the 9 nations thing.
It's a good job the action scenes were immense.
>>62752661
Hey, no. Nobody does it better than Nobody Does It Better.
>>62751314
Terrible film. Just terrible. Bond also rapes the widow. Clearly there was supposed to be some sort of chemistry and flirtation that was cut from the film because it was over 2 and a half hours long but it just looked so wrong.
Also Craig looks 60 years old.
>>62752530
>Skyfall girl was Moneypenny though
You mean M.
>>62752520
She was supposed to mirror Bond as a damaged, driven individual. Kindred souls, but not people that were meant to be together.
That was a really strong idea and executed well on the actors end. However the movie was too preoccupied with throwing action scenes in your face to let the viewer appreciate this.
In retrospect QoS seems like less of a failure than Spectre in regards to having new ideas, nice cinematography and a more even script (despite Craig writing on it himself).
>>62752664
>don't claim he was behind Silva
>It's a good job the action scenes were immense.
this desu
>>62752701
>rape
>>62752719
Look into M's eyes and his. You just KNOW
>>62752728
Yeah she knows her life is in danger, he offers to protect her and then he just starts humping her. I am not some SJW lunatic. Had they intended Bond to rape her I would be fine with that if it was the plot of the film but instead its an old man inexplicably forcing himself on some milf that is well past her prime.
Gross.
>It was me James, the author F. Oliver Payne
What did he mean by this? Was this another alias?
>>62752798
>but instead its an old man inexplicably forcing himself on some milf that is well past her prime.
I kept expecting the BRAZZERS logo to pop up somewhere.
Though I think even porn writers could have written this scene less awkward.
I much prefer it to Skyfall, insofar as it felt much more like a Bond film to me. I also really dug the sense of foreboding that the movie had going.
It all started to fall apart in the last section of the movie though
>>62752798
you know nothing anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
Oberhauser will go down as maybe the worst film villain of the past decade.
>killed own father....because he loved Bond more than him
>fakes death...but doesn't change his face at all and takes his mom's maiden name
>starts Spectre by doing....because.....and everyones scared of him because....he'll put cancer in your phone
>wants to activate 9 eyes to do....intelligence gathering even more than the billions of dollars and country wide networking he already has
>wants to kill Bond without him ever knowing that he's been orchestrating his lif-....oh wait now he wants to pick Bond up in car and torture him and reveal everything
>>62752903
Yeah that's pretty bad but at least its implied by them throwing each other around with judo moves that its just rough flirting.
In specter she is a defenseless old lady.
>can at the drop of a hat bomb South Africa
>in order to get South Africa to sign up for 9 Eyes
>so that it's easier to bomb South Africa than he already did easily
My theater actually audibly groaned when this stupid bitch ran off before the final action scene.
Kinda funny how savvy theater going audiences are these days. Everyone knew she was just going to show back up as a hostage in a couple of minutes.
>>62753033
>Requires 9 Eyes to rule the world from the shadows.
>Already rules the world from the shadows.
>>62752583
speaking of Q, it felt like bond had way more chemistry with him then madeleine swann
it honestly would've made way more sense for bond to run off with him in the end
Now that we've complained about what sucked in the movie for the 100th time, lets post stuff we liked.
>bond wore the costumes (talking about the wardrobe).
>dat astin martin db10. Dat whole car porn in the Rome segment.
>The blond was pretty hot in that dress t b h
>That part Bond found the Vesper tape and throw it away.
And I actually chuckled at the cocktail joke.
>>62753229
>>That part Bond found the Vesper tape and throw it away.
that actually pissed me off because if she really was THAT important to him he would have wanted to watch it.
>>62753229
Got a solid laugh from me when "Now we know what C stands for"
But then M ruined it.
>>62753229
Opening Titles were fucking great
The atmosphere of the Mexico and Rome segments
Bonds gorgeous exploding Seamaster
Bond chasing people down in a plane
The fight scene on the train
>>62753296
>can say fuck in pg13 movie but not cunt
>>62753229
>costume design was incredible all around
>great opening sequence
>some good humour (the mouse scene)
>Q
>bond enjoying his job
During the opening credits all I could think about was how they filmed it
A hot sweaty studio filled with gorgeous women dancers Daniel Craig and a bunch of dead octopuses
I just imagine them spending days fucking around with this rancid messy octopus, after day one Craig not even noticing the women and just sick to the back teeth of octopuses everywhere
Made the film way more enjoyable to watch
>>62753229
>i guess we knows what C stands for
>whole audience bursts into treats
>>62753329
he didn't mean cunt he meantkek
Bautista was the worst henchman ever. When chasing after Bond in Rome, he pulls up next to him and stares him down for some le epic comic relief (it was just cringeworthy in reality), then on the train he kicks the table instead of attacking Bond. He has the element of surprise, he's coming up on Bond from behind and he literally full on punts the table. Doesn't donkey punch Bond in the back of the head or anything, he just kicks the fucking shit out of the table. It was so dumb
>>62753424
I didn't really understand why he even was on the train, when the point was that bond gets to blofelds lair
maybe it was all staged to make bond and the gril fuck
>>62753374
>tfw almost all of the people in the theater laughed like idiots at some retarded jokes from some Christmas hack comedy trailer.
>tfw me and my buddies were the only ones to laugh at the "what C stands for" joke.
>tfw don't have a reaction image
>>62753549
My half full theater had no laughs for Rogen hack christmas shit or the Fey Poeler pos
>>62753424
I didn't like the Skyfall scene but the title design was great, Spectres title design was dogshit. First one I've hated.
>>62753534
how did they get such a naturally beautiful girl for the job but skip the obligatory sexy scene?
the girl in Skyfall was lame, but at least the shower scene was hot and tastefully shot.
You would honestly think the completely unnconnected literal C plot that ate up half the movie is what killed it, but no the main plot was also atrocious with its inexplicable villain motivations and awful forced romance
>>62752453
faggot detected
I honestly didn't like the opening that much. I thought Skyfall's opening credits were masterfully done, while Spectre's was a poorer version of Fincher's Girl with the dragon tattoo opening.
The girls dancing around Craig looked lame as fuck
>>62753732
I genuinely liked the film, but Blofeld's plan was retarded.
>I RULE THE WORLD!
>But I'm going to combine all the intelligence agencies so I can have all the knowledge I already have at my disposal!
>>62753780
Combined with the whole adopted brother thing it did feel like something taken from Austin Powers.
>>62752331
>Stockmann, we ought to note, also has an attractive womanservant who has the hots for Swann.
>One good thing: The "lesbian bad lady" from the film referred to in this Vulture item appears to have been somewhat toned down
yfw there's a universe where Sony tried to save the final act by going for a hard R including a scene a dommy henchwoman tortures Seydoux by eating out her fat ass
>>62753229
What's the part about the Vesper tape? I think I might have missed that...
>>62753859
holy shit, I would have had a massive boner in the theatre if there was a scene with a thick nazi-esque henchwomen forcing Seydoux to eat out her ass and lick her toes.
>>62753933
they find a VHS in Mr White's secret room at L'Americain which apparently had some info on vesper on it, but Bond decides to toss it away.
>>62753933
Bond finds Mr. White's secret room in L'Americain and finds a bunch of tapes. He looks at one and its labelled something like
"Vesper Lynd Interrogation"
He stares at it for a bit then tosses it back. A lot of the film had call backs to previous Craig Bonds, to the point where it was doing it a bit too much. I refuse to believe Silva's little rampage was anything to do with Blofeld. That's Hideo Kojima level shit.
>Bond shoots a handgun from a moving boat from a distance of at least 150 meters and fucking takes down a flying helicopter
I never gave a shit about /k/ autism but that made me hate myself
>>62754166
I noticed Bond has aimbot accuracy throughout the entire film. He was getting insane accuracy from silly distances in multiple scenes, the helicopter shootdown was almost a punchline.
>>62754166
I don't find that the unbelievable part, what's unbelievable is the goddamn pilot didn't realize he was being shot at and take the necessary evasive maneuvers.
>>62754213
I liked the part where immediately after getting (admittedly very shittily) tortured bond kills every blofeld henchman in sight without missing a shot
>>62753968
>>62754047
Ohh, right. It was around that part I stopped paying attention. Yeah, the callbacks to previous characters just didn't work because Bond didn't react to any of them, so it was blatantly obvious that they were just put in for the viewers to be like "Ohhh, I remember him, he's that bleedy eye guy who played poker with Bond, etc. etc."
>>62751980
>But instead they staple another 20 minutes on to the film
That's how I feel about most of the recent Bond films. They have no clue when to end and end up being filled with empty scenes that could have easily been cut.
>>62752636
Yeah that felt silly
>>62754213
Well.
Isn't that the point of James Bond?
Saw this yesterday, did I miss something?
>explicitly tells Bond that drilling in this particular area will make him unable to recognize girl
>drill the area
>girl walks up
>immediately says he recognizes her, with zero buildup to the moment
>never shows any ill effects from the experience
I get that Bond escaping from crazy traps is a thing, but how the fuck can he get off scot free when the trap was actually successfully employed?
>Go watch the movie
>See a disabled old person watching it as well
>So disabled and old he can't move an inch without help
>Feel so bad for him
Just imagine being a James Bond fan all your life and the last movie you watch is Spectre
Felt shitty, man
>>62754335
Everything about this movie was half baked.
It felt as if they were trying to make this film as some kind of modernised Connery Bond film and absolutely failed at it.
There are other things that are disappointing as well. The new M doesn't have that strong boss type of figure that would put Bond in his place when he tried to do as he pleased, much like Lee's M would put Connery's Bond in place. In fact, that type of M would have worked great with Craig's Bond.
Now there's Whishaw's Q who has absolutely no presence. It's as if they tried shoehorning this nerdy-looking guy, who looks straight out BBT, and say he's Q. He's got none of the presence and relevance in Bond's life as Llewelyn's Q did.
The worst case is Harris' Moneypenny. She's got none, and I mean absolutely none of the amazing dynamics she's supposed to have with Bond. I won't compare her to Maxwell's Moneypenny, because that hurdle would be far too high, but Harri's role is almost a non-character.
Swann was hardly even a character.
As for Blofeld and SPECTRE, they were supposed to be this huge organisation that were behind everything before - as inconsistent as that may sound - but ultimately, they were just any other villain, didn't feel even as menacing as Silva, and Blofeld's problem with Bond pretty much came down to daddy issues.
This film as suffered a lot from things just happening. Like, Bond and Swann are on this train, they deal with Batista, then they're in the dessert where they happen to be picked up by a guy from SPECTRE, who just happens to take them to their base of operations, which in the end conveniently ended blowing up completely by just one single shot.
I appreciated some of the comedy moments, as they were a nice throwback at the Moore era, but the overall movie felt as bad as Diamonds are Forever or Octopussy.
The only thing I liked a slot was Writing's on the Wall. I really enjoy that song.
>>62753859
>her fat ass
It really was noticably large when she was walking around in the dress. I couldn't look at much else.
I was fine with Silva having a personal connection to Bond, but to repeat that premise a second time with Blofeld felt very lazy. I suppose in the past the bad guy could simply differ from Bond ideologically, but that isn't enough now days because the ethics of war and espionage are so murky and western nations have their hands dirty with all the surveillance etc.
I remember the Sony leaks suggested that Spectre was shaping up to be a real shit show and it was indeed underwhelming. I'm surprised the studio couldn't attract a better team to such a huge franchise.
I think it was a nice thought to give Craig a few goofy moments.
But he just can't pull of the Roger Moore stuff.
The scene where he half drunkenly threatens the rat was however almost worth the price of admission.
>>62756338
The problem is that it is nearly impossible to fully modernise Bond, so that he tackles modern day issues, considering they type of character Bond is and the type of story his is.
Bond takes a lot from old noir novels and from those spy flicks from the Cold War era. Flemming took those and romanticised them. That's what James Bond is.
You cannot tackle modern days issues, because espionage is drastically difficult from what it used to be during the Cold War.
Also, Bond doesn't actually operates like an actual spy, even by Cold War standards, because he's a romanization of it. So, he's not meant to be realistic like many people seem to want. If you were to try and turn Bond and his story into something realistic, you could kill the whole thing, as that's not what James Bond is.
>>62756925
Eh, it is possible to make a topical James Bond movie.
However you'd need better screenwriters than Purvis and Butthead for that.
>>62753207
I honestly thought that's where they were going for a second when he turned up in Q's lab at the end of the movie.
>>62757185
>oldschool Bond flirts with Moneypenny and annoys Q
>newschool Bond annoys Moneypenny and flirts with Q
The film has some of the shittiest villans in the series
We're supposed to be scared of Blofeld and think he's some genius schemer but he and his organisation fail in literally everything they set out to accomplish;
they don’t blow up the stadium
they don’t get to Mr White
they let Bond easily infiltrate their secret meeting
they let Bond beat them to Dr Swann
they let Bond easily win/escape on multiple occasions
they let Bond blow up their base
their shitty master plan is easily sabotaged
The scene in the Spectre meeting, where they're discussing their routine business like human trafficking is way more interesting then their dumb surveillance superplot, it's a shame the tone of the movie isn't more like that throughout
C sucks, his whole plot feels detached but is somehow the entire focus of the last third of the movie, he's barely even a character and is entire motivation is apparently just "secret Blofeld protege"
Blofelds backstory falls flat, the way they try and make him behind everything that happened in the other movies falls flat, just because he dresses the same as a classic villan and has the same scar doesn't mean you can just neglect to make him threatening in anyway.
The one decent villan is Bautista, who makes a great heavy, but his death is anticlimatic and comes too early, so they even fucked that up
>>62753042
Yeah, I remember that part and thinking what the fuck was that all about, it's obvious we'll see her again very soon
>>62757137
>Eh, it is possible to make a topical James Bond movie.
Topical? Perhaps, but a story that actually attempts to deal with the full spectrum of issues that ail the world these days, it would be really hard, whilst keeping the film as a Bond one.
Consider groups like al-Qaeda and IS deal on an ideological basis, and as of now seem to have a global reach. These are also organisations in which, even if you were to cut the head, it doesn't matter, because they just replace them.
That's one fun thing about SPECTRE, because the system Blofeld attempted to put in place already exists in many ways in the real world. Not to mention, what Max Denbigh said about the 00 agents is true. In a modern and realistic setting, they would be obsolete. Hackers would be better spies. As for actual field operations, if we talk about dealing with terrorists organisations in the Middle East, James Bond would fail considering he's a white man. You would be better off using someone who actually can blend in, not just in terms of looks, but also through understanding the culture and being capable of speaking the language, specially the local dialects.
>>62757287
Poetry
Based Mendes
that two OH FUCK scene, batista's death for example, made me cringe
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>>62757343
>Blofelds backstory falls flat, the way they try and make him behind everything that happened in the other movies falls flat, just because he dresses the same as a classic villan and has the same scar doesn't mean you can just neglect to make him threatening in anyway.
Remember when Blofeld used to feel like a threatening villain?
>>62751314
>Mr White insists on how dangerous SPECTRE is, but [they] end up being destroyed by Bond throwing an explosive watch at a table.
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>>62757783
I really thought he was going to show back up again Jaws style, if he got confirmed for the next movie that'd be great.
Also, when he's at the clinic and he knocks out on guard then finger waggles the other into submission was a great scene.
>>62757826
I wonder how much Omega had to pay for that scene. Bond movies really are the pinnacle of advertising
>>62755809
Holy shit, this.Once I got home I fapped to that scene of her getting her ass eaten out by Adele in Blue Is The Warmest Color.
>>62752719
>In retrospect QoS seems like less of a failure than Spectre in regards to having new ideas, nice cinematography and a more even script (despite Craig writing on it himself).
Couldn't have said it better myself. Spectre was a special kind of mess that I'm surprised actually happened, particularly after QoS.
>>62758745
Well QoS is a movie fucked over by circumstance.
With a little more polish it could have been a decent follow-up to Casino Royal.
Spectre is utterly fucked on a conceptual and basic writing level. Something which only happens when you start out with shitty ideas and a writer at the helm that doesn't get 007.
I think they need to fire this John Logan fellow. And fast.
