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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ava-duvernay-films-diversity-hollywood_5644f628e4b08cda34880a85

I don't consider it a challenge to say it's a black film or a Liberian film or a film by a Japanese filmmaker. These are all the nuances. This array, which is what we're celebrating, is a good thing," she said, referencing her newly-rebranded distribution company ARRAY. "The bad thing is that there's not balance. It's imbalanced. We're seeing too many films with only one voice, from one dominant white, male, straight gaze … and everything else is lopsided."

DuVernay, who was the first black woman to win the best director award at the Sundance Film Festival in 2012, warned against lumping all filmmakers together in order to feign "balance" in the industry.

"So in order to compensate, it's not like we [should] misidentify and strip ourselves of who we are. It's a Japanese brother who made a film about a Liberian and a Liberian family," she said, describing director Takeshi Fukunaga's new film "Out Of My Hand," which is being released by ARRAY. "We don't have to strip away what it is in order to create balance. Balance needs to be created through true intention and hard work. Not for us misidentifying the work that we're doing."

DuVernay also spoke to the small percentage of black filmmakers whose work actually makes it to the big screen. In fact, one 2013 study found that only 6.5 percent of the directors behind the 100 top-grossing films were black, none of whom were black women.

"We know that the whole thing is ridiculous. It's nonsense. It's a circus," DuVernay told host Caroline Modarressy-Tehrani. "There is no progress in terms of real substantial, systemic change in the images that are equalized and open to everyone."

She encouraged viewers to support little-known filmmakers, in hopes of diversifying the range of offerings at mainstream theaters.
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>this thread
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HOW DARE WHITE MEN EXIST AND CREATE THINGS FOR MY ENTERTAINMENT?!
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>Japanese brother made a film

She's calling an Asian guy a brother...
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>>62683384

I disagree.

There as many as the market demands. Neither too little nor too many.
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I mean, sure.
I'm a cis white male and I can agree with that.

I wouldn't care if movies became more diverse. I would LOVE to see more action heroines. But Ripley and Sarah Connor who respectively used their brains and bulk. Not le 90 pound quippy woman beating up WWF wrestler henchmen.

I'd sure like to see more races. But I disagree with the monstrously aggressive and illogical way people are campaigning for this. Likewise, quotas and picking one of every race so every movie can be a rainbow is retarded, as is race swapping established characters to pander to urban markets. How refreshing was Harold and Kumar when it first came out? To see the slacker duo not be Jewish or white? They had to fight to keep them Asian. II also dig the Star Wars casting.

The problem with this is that instead of focusing on diversifying the landscape, SJWs are focussing on a war against the white male under the guise of muh patriarchy.

Also if women and minorities want to direct, the only thing stopping them is aptitude and talent.
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>>62683384
>companies should do things that make less money because I say so!

It's amazing how detached from reality these people are. They have no idea how fucked over they are by their internet provider yet they think they know enough about hollywood works that they can just demand more or less of a type of movie.
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>>62683384

I agree with her. The problem is international too.

There are far too many films told from a black perspective in Nigeria.

Likewise barely any films from a the Roma perspective in Korean cinemas.

It's a disgrace.
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has a black woman ever been right on anything?
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>>62683594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE
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>>62683594
>dat lightbulbp be burnt out agin

I think this is the only time i've heard a black woman say something 100% accurate, despite the horrendous pronunciation of basic english words.
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> Market place caters to consumers

Crazy.

Next she should complain that Supermarkets have too much food, or Hardware Stores have too many tools.
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The market dictates what movies get made.

If she doesn't like it, too bad. She should go make the films she wants to see.
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>>62683627

what. the. hell.
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>>62683585

They are pushing for a European/Australian system. I've seen them call for it in "electronic media" (video games) too.

They want government subsidization for unprofitable products.

Now, they could produce content themselves, but...where's the handout?

It's literally just begging.
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if we gave all conservatives half of the country and all liberals the other half, which would be more successful?
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>>62683627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2dDf41R0G8
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>>62683663

She was offered the position of directing a large budget Hollywood film starring an African American.

She turned it down.

Basically;

> Things need to change!

>...but I mean...someone else should do the hard work. I got tweets to pump out.
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>>62683707
Whichever side you agree with.
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>>62683731
>1999
What the fugg?
Wait... The view has been on the air for nearly 20 years?
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>>62683384
>Suburban middle class kids weren't racist until these faggots trying to start a race war

It's like they're doing the opposite of what they want
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I challenge you to tell me one good piece of kinography made by a white "man"?
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>>62683732

She turned it down because she felt that Marvel would be too hands on and not let her make the film she wanted to (similar to Edgar Wright and Ant Man)

I still think she should've just made the film anyways because it would've been a big deal for what she's been preaching about "black directors, women, etc" Its kinda tough to hear her complain about it now...
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>>62683796
it gives them an eternal boogeyman to blame everything on and justify handouts
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>>62683384
Even if that's the case (I don't check for such things) there's way bigger problems with the movie industry then people who don't look like you.
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>>62683384
I don't think it's too many films are being made from one perspective but rather not enough films are made from other perspectives.

I'm a straight white male but to be honest I find very few hollywood films relatable or enjoyable.
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>>62683384
>She
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>>62683384

Hollywood is trash, we're not living in it's golden age anymore. Watch some stuff outside of America for once.
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>>62683822

Right. So like every Marvel film ever?

This is exactly what people are talking about;

> we want in on the studio system!

> but, uh, we don't want to do any of the hard work

If she wants complete freedom, she can make indie films. No one is stopping her.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Unless you earn it, like J.C.
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I AM ALSO VERY ANGRY AT THIS HEADLINE
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>Ava DuVernay

I haven't done a "literally who?" this hard in a long time.
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>>62683587

Came here to post this. It's almost as if a country that's majority white will have mostly white people in it and its media.
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I avoid watching movies with blacks in them
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>>62683707
You're giving both sides too much credit, anon. They'd turn into little Quebec's if Quebec was given its own sovereignty.
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>>62683707

Anybody have that MS Paint drawing where Conservatopia is thriving next to the Liberaltopia work-camps, gulags and centers for diversity?
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>>62683549
>I'm a cucк and I can agree with that.

FTFY

They don't care about representation. They simply want to erase our entire cultural identity, and you agreeing shows how effective they have been.
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>>62684053
>75% white

jej
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>>62684134
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>>62683384
>She encouraged viewers to support little-known filmmakers, in hopes of diversifying the range of offerings at mainstream theaters.
How mad would she be when if found out that most little-known filmmakers are straight white males?
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>>62683707

>Conservatives
>Lower class composed of blue-collars
>Upper class composed of self-made businessmen and entrepreneurs

>Liberals
>Lower class full of hood-rats and gangsters
>Upper class full of whiny, self-righteous white twats living on their parents money and tenured college professor

Liberal half would be dead in a week and begging for money from the rapidly-developing conservative half due to their low taxes and love of self-determination. That is if all the whites on the Liberal side hadn't ALREADY been shot to death by gangbangers after banning guns.
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>>62684134
Except for the fact where I entirely disagreed with their agenda and only said I, in principle, agreed with the notions of the fraudulent front they made putting up.

I've wanted to see uniqueness of all aspects of film since long before sjws became vocal and my interest has nothing to do with representation, not just who they cast for what roles. But whatever, keep ignoring someone agreeing with you because they're not adamantly defending the proud white race in every single point they make.
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>>62684227
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb62fpsyhC4
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>>62684285

Mississippi is a state saturated with shitty black people.
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>>62683420

>bulgy-faced fat tranny-looking nigger in a Doctor Who T-shirt and cat-rim glasses

Why do they ALWAYS fit the stereotype?
Why are liberals so consistently fucking ugly.
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>>62684285

>Bill Maher

Yeah, this guy sounds like a real authority on reality.
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>>62683420
>tells people to stop reading things created by white males
>wears a shirt about a show created by a white dude
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>>62683549
fuck off Muffin
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>>62683420
>that image
Literally WHY? If white guys are writing the stuff you like reading, why stop? These people are actively trying to destroy society based on merit, it's insane.

>>62683384
I like how her speech amounts to nothing. What does she even mean by "white male perspective"? Last I checked aside from doom there aren't many first person movies
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>>62684285
meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-TS1XpSWE
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>>62684423
Maybe she watches a lot of pov porn.
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>>62684285
>>62684459
What's going on, America?
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>race and gender are social-constructs

>race and gender are so real that they directly influence the movies that people create to the point where this is a problem

So which is it?
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>>62684516
It's only a problem when you're a straight white male, beta orbiters catch less flak.
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>>62684227
>Most wage slaves are texan conservatives

Conservatives will never be funny because they have a superiority complex up their own asses
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>>62684516
>So which is it?

Whichever proves their point on that particular day.
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>>62684574

>Liberals
>accusing ANYONE ELSE of having a "superiority complex"
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>>62683420
I'm pretty sure those are the only kind of people who write the kind of books I like to read though.
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>>62684227
It's really simple what will happen.

The conservatives will stagnate. It won't be fun or good but it will get by.
The liberals will progress, and slowly things will progress past comfort to the point the conservative nation is the lesser of two evils.
Eventually the liberal nation will down to a small city sized nation who have tolerated (and even liked) the rapid progression, whether this nation is a utopia or hellhole is beyond prediction
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>>62683384
>We're seeing too many
>We know that the whole thing is ridiculous
What do you mean "we"?
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>>62684423

How do you not understand POV?

Most Hollywood studio films will be from a white POV and possibly male.

Because studios cater to the market, which is predominantly white.

Even the new Star Wars, for all it's talk of diversity, features a white female as the lead.

Her complaint is that there are "too many".

Which doesn't make any objective sense.

It's like when people say there are too many zombie movies.

They wouldn't make movies with zombies or straight white males if people didn't consume them.

The fact that people purchase them enough to make their production profitable proves she is wrong.
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>>62684679

It's already happened IRL.

It was called the Cold War.

The Marxist states collapsed into ruin and chaos (almost...cheeky Cuba did okay) and the Capitalist nations progressed and prospered.

It's hars to really pin down the terminology.

For instance, U.S. conservatives are economically liberal, which helps bolster an economy, but also lax on security (rampant firearm access to the citizenry) which is also a key requirement for a top tier society.
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Most movies aren't really about someone's sociological perspective and are actually about catching a serial killer.
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>>62683384
more kung fu movies would be nice. I enjoyed Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan movies. But today its all wire work stuff which puts me off.
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>>62684884
>promoting violent masculinity
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>>62684332

It's their uniform
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>>62683822

White directors play ball with producers and studios. That's why they got their big break as Hollywood directors. Aspiring white directors have no race card, gender card, or oppression card to play, so in order to land the big jobs and compete with all the other aspiring directors, they have to be willing to play ball with producers. Indie "not the movie I want to make" people don't get hired.

She thinks there should be more diverse directors? Fine, I agree, go for it. But she thinks they shouldn't have to jump through the same hoops white directors do? No thanks.
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>>62684332

because good looking women have better shit to do
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>>62683384
What in the fuck does Transformers have to do with the 'straight white male' perspective? I can't relate to jack shit in Transformers. I can barely related to Hollywood these days period.
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>>62683420
>>62684375
Neil Gaiman is also a Doctor Who writer which makes the whole thing even funnier
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>>62684148

62% if you remove Hispanics who self-report as white.
Many Hispanics are white, though. If they're descended from Spaniards or Portuguese they're European.
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>>62684375
>created by a white dude
>starring a white dude
>playing a white dude who's the most powerful force in the universe
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>>62683384
this is probably because too many white straight males have money to watch movies

we should probably let minorities steal the wallets and gouge out the eyes of any straight white males they can find. it's the progressive thing to do
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>>62683707
the one that marches to savannah
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>>62683420
>These are the correct books to read and movies to watch.

Can we stop calling these people liberals finally? I'm tired of being associated with these ignorant social authoritarians.
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>>62683731
When is Norm finally going to get his own Seinfeld style sitcom?
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>>62685563
he's a flake and can't act

he can't even manage to put out a podcast
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>>62683384
>more white hate

Fuck you too!
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>>62683822
Did somebody sit down and explain to her that these are Marvel popcorn flicks, not indie auteur films? If you're a good director you know how to be a studio hired gun and still make a good film. See Captain America the winter soldier as an example.
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>>62684459
Meanwhile in white bible belt U.S.A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPjfj6VIFs
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>>62684516
>>62684579
Those don't contradict.
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>>62685842
i'll just cut to the chase
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>>62683384
This thread is going to be full of shitposting, even if both sides have a valid argument.
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>>62683549
This is the first good post you've ever made muffin
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What's stoping these people form watching a film with whoever they want in it? Just watch films from a country with a majority of whatever ethnicity you want and problem is solved.

If they're complaining about too many White Strait Male movies, again don't watch them and instead give attention to the other films that suit your tastes.

There are wars, illness, and feminine in the world but we're concerned with relating to characters instead of appreciating a story.
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>>62683420
I challenge you to stop eating KFC for one year you fat hippo
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>>62687895
Blacks and liberals are both really dumb, they barely realize there's a world outside of the US. I guess she wants everyone to have to watch some Jap movie about Africa? Who the fuck knows, does Japan have to watch a Turkish movie about Brazil? Anyways, they're just whiney cunts who don't think things through
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>Ava Duvernay

Literally fucking who?
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>>62683384
Shoo shoo kike
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>>62687895
They know that no one in their right mind wants to watch shitskins and fags. These idiots believe that the world will watch shitskins and fags if the major studios promote them.

They literally want the major American studios to jam their leftist politics down everyone's throats.
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>>62683384
Transformars is about white straight males, not about fighting robots...
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>>62683420
>implying Neil Gaiman qualifies as a writer.
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>>62683384
Only Asians and whites should be in films maybe Jessica Alba tier hispanics
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