What are some films that really make you think?
You should switch doors.
Primer
inception and interstellar
Does it take off?
>>54621697
what is the problem here?
>>54621877
Which is objectively better? Staying or switching?
>>54621906
it doesn't matter
Triangle
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1187064/
Door 2 is just the other half of the goat from Door 1 so I'll stay, thanks.
u choose the other door XD cause 66 %!! so smury le monty hall fun :^) xD
>>54621697
i want the goat
>>54621959
>it doesn't matter
except that it does. switching is advantageous >>54621963
>>54621959
It does though
>>54621963
Just finished watching thatWas she stuck in a time loop?
>>54621906
it depends if the host knew that the door he was opening was a goat door
if he did, it's much better to switch
if he didn't, it makes no difference
what if the host decide to troll you and put a 2 fucking lions behind the 2 other doors
>>54622019
Yes
>>54621959
One of them has a 33% win chance, the other 66%.
>>54622031
Because if your first selection was a goat then if you switch it's guaranteed to be a car, since the other goat has been revealed
So 2/3rds of the doors are winners if you switch as opposed to 1/3rd of the doors if you stay
>>54622026
It doesn't depend on anything. He always reveals a goat. This is part of the scenario.
>>54621959
If you switch the 33% becomes a 50%, do you even math?
>>54622113
if he does it by chance it's very different to if he's using his knowledge of what's behind the doors to reveal one of the goat doors
it literally does change the odds
>>54621871
Nope. No wind resistance. The plane is essentially sitting stationary
>>54622026
the host always know the door he was opening has a goat
typically he knows what behind all 3 doors except in a period of years when they decide to didn't tell the host where the car is but he always know the door he open to has a goat
>>54622149
Why are you twisting the original scenario?
The host ALWAYS opens a goat door. There wouldn't be a gameshow if he opened the car door.
>>54621697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khEoIACTFNI
>>54622153
>>54622183
if that's the case, then it's better to switch, like i said
>>54621697
The dark knight rises
>>54622078
>>54622128
there are only two doors left
it's 50/50
Remember when these threads used to cause massive buttfrustration and idiocy?
That was a long ass time ago, OP. I have a feeling 4chan in general has matured since then.
>>54622323
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
>>54622323
get a load of this guy failing his btec maths certificate
>>54622323
what if you had 100 doors, and you picked one, and then the host opened up 98 of them and asked if you wanted to switch? Would it still be 50% behind either door or would it be 1% and 50%?
>>54622323
This is the only correct answer.
Those saying to switch have swallowed the snake oil of the probability miss-selling elves.
>>54622395
>>54622395
if he opens the remaining 98 then there are no more doors
>>54622323
if they had 100 doors with 99 goats and 1 car
now you pick one door, the chance of getting the car is 1%. after that they open 98 doors reveal 98 goats, will you switch to the unopened door or will you stay with the 1% chance door you originally picked?
Fuck you I want the goat.
I can ride that goat, I can work that goat, I can milk that goat, I can summon old things with that goat, I can eat that goat
New car a shit
>>54622438
>whats intuitive to me is more correct than actual math
>>54621871
The wings would be knocked off on the bars at the side. So no.
>>54622451
>100 doors
>you pick one
>there are 99 doors
>he opens 98
>there are two doors left
i should get on /sci/ more often, I can't pick between troll posts and sincere posts.
>>54621871
of course
>>54622323
>what is Bayes law?
>>54622468
>milk the goat
>sell the milk
>buy a car
>get +1 access to the goat tower
>have a friend with spooky eyes
Before this turns into a troll thread, you want to switch
3 scenarios:
-you chose the right one first time, and hence when you switch you dont get it
-you chose one of the wrong doors, so switching will give you the correct door
- you chose the other wrong door, so switching will give you the correct door
i.e. 2/3 times switching will give you the right door
It messes with our gut instinct because you feel you should still have a 50/50 chance. But it changes because the game show host changes the situation.
>>54622484
You realise with math, 1 can equal 2, right?
If you don't spot the fallacy ... 1 = 2, even though it doesn't.
>>54622451
http://www.grand-illusions.com/simulator/montysim.htm
>Run it 1000 times
>Oh look, it's not 50/50 win rates
>>54622551
this is the best explanation
>>54622113
>>54622183
Well, the illusion is that the host has nothing to do with it (he does). But even if the choice is done by a machine, the machine knowingly doesn't pick at random, but makes a distinction between a prize door and a goat door. The host/picker is the key to the illusion.
>>54622567
Illusion? There is no illusion.
It is pure math. This is why gameshow hosts don't do this shit anymore because it has been solved.
even after reading the wiki I still think it's 50:50
It will either be a goat or a car
>>54622461
then you are faced with two doors again
it's 50/50
>>54622625
>Illusion? There is no illusion.
No, no illusion. Just the most fucking famous paradox of all time, you fuck. Fucking idiot, fuck you. Jesus christ you're stupid, fuck.
>>54622511
Dude, the thing is that in the end there must be 2 doors: the one you originally posted plus another one you get to change to.
1 chosen + 98 open + 1 left= 100 in total
>>54622058
>I read "The lady or the tiger" in high school: the post
>>54622551
Is that pic real? I just threw up a little.
>>54622671
Kill yourself.
>>54622645
youre forgetting that your initial choice influences which doors are opened because the one you picked is never going to be opened.
even if this fact doesnt make you accept the solution, at least try to consider it. its a piece of information and it matters
>>54622630
>>54622645
Congratulations you are objectively wrong.
>>54622661
>paradox
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
It's not a paradox, it's just unintuitive when you overanalyze it.
>>54621871
No.
But if you have it on the treadmill without the plane moving, and move the treadmill over the ground up to takeoff speed than the plane will take off.
>>54622700
wat.
This problem has always seemed retarded to me..I'd be absolutely buttflustered if I switched and was wrong. I would probably stick with my original pick. but it's 50/50 I don't give a fuck what you say.
>>54622721
why? i thought picking it means it's opened
FUCKING SHIT SHITTING FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCKING SHIT FUCK
>>54622745
Then you are figuratively retarded.
>pick door
>see goat
>get a choice of change or stay
>>54622745
no, the host never opens the door you picked, thats the premise
>>54622726
>I don't think that word means what you think it means.
>It's not a paradox, it's just unintuitive when you overanalyze it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
>ctrl+f "paradox"
>12 results
>>54622769
but if I see the goat behind the door i picked first
then there are two doors left and I can choose one of them so why would i want to switch
>>54622461
Now that 98 doors have been opened, the one selected has a 50% chance to be the right one, like the second one.
It's basic probability. If you flip 3 coins and get 3 heads, the probability of getting another head is still 50%. The chance of getting 4 heads in a row is the same as getting 3 heads and a tail.
Like the chance of 98 doors plus yours being wrong is just as likely as the 98 doors plus the other one left being wrong is
>>54621697
>>54622796
lol
>54622796 is not a faggot
>54622796 is not a faggot
>54622796 is not a faggot
>ctrl+f "54622796 is not a faggot"
see, 7 matches but youre still a faggot
>>54622815
see >>54622587
even if you're too stupid to understand math, do you think the simulation results are just endless coincidences?
>>54622796
It's not a paradox when you know the solution, therefore it's not a true paradox.
>>54622815
No, you're wrong, and the analogy is also wrong.
Every door in the beginning has 1% chance. Your door is *never* going to be opened, so it's always 1% chance, even after the thing is done.
The way I remember it being explained was this:
Imagine there are 100 doors and behind one of them is the GOAT goat that you want to find.
You choose one at random, and suddenly all doors except the one you chose and one other door open to reveal nothing.
There are only two closed doors left.
Your choice now is to stay or switch.
You can either choose the one you originally went with (something like 1 in a 100 chance of being right) or you can choose the closed door you didn't pick.You're going to want to switch, statistically
>>54622806
I am 100% convinced that you don't know how to read.
Go re-read the scenario.
why are you retards extending the example to 100 doors when the initial question only has three
do you think it makes it simpler when there are more doors to think about?
>>54622806
goat-car-goat switch and you win.
goat-goat-car swith and you win
car-goat-goat switch and you lose.
How can you not understand that?
Let's say it's configured like this:
goat-goat-car
You pick door one. The host opens door two. Asks if you want to switch.
>you stay with your door, get a goat, you lose
>you switch to the new door, get a car, you win
>option three: OH WAIT THERE IS NO OPTION THREE
there are two things you can do, one win outcome, one lose outcome. Can you divide 1 by 2, /tv/?
>>54622948
you're merely pretending
>>54622953
>>54623013
and what if the host accidentally opens the car door
the chance stays the same
>>54622395
Are you retard? The odds don't change. You picked the door at 1/100 odds, just because 98 doors have been openned doesn't mean your starting odds are changed.
Let's think about it in reverse. Let's say there are 99 red coloured balls and 1 blue coloured balls in a bag. You take one out but you can't see the colour. Now, 98 red balls then get taken out of the bag. Do you think the ball in your hand or in the bag is more likely to be blue?
>>54622587
it's clearly rigged.
why would you make that website?
>>54622879
There's nothing in the definition of a paradox that denies there being a solution.
>>54623035
That's not possible in the Monty Hall Scenario.
>>54623035
What if a meteor hits the stuido. Then where is the car? Don't be a fucking retard.
>>54623035
The host always opens the goat door you simon
>>54623043
>sample size of 20
Don't be retarded.
http://www.stayorswitch.com/
http://math.ucsd.edu/~crypto/Monty/monty.html
http://www.shodor.org/interactivate/activities/SimpleMontyHall/
https://www.khanacademy.org/computer-programming/monty-hall-simulation/1121357698
>>54621871
yes, the lift is generated by the engines, not the movement of the wings
>66% of a dud vs
>50% of a dud
GEE I WONDER WHICH IS BETTER
You switch. It's counter intuitive, but it's correct.
>>54623013
This.
>>54623127
wheels, not wings, i meant wheels
>>54623112
the website the guy posted doesn't random the cards after you play it. it's rigged. i can show any result i want playing that
>>54623136
Picking the door to begin with was the choice. Sticking with the door is not a new choice because you've already made the choice. It would be like asking for orange juice and then for the orange juice to arrive and you say I just made a second choice to have orange juice.
>>54623149
66% + 50% =116%
Are you mentally deficient?
It's 33.33333...% vs 66.666666...%
>>54623127
The engines propel, they don't lift.
>>54623013
why doesn't the host open the door I tell him?
what a fucking shit host
wouldn't play 0/10 again
>>54623171
And that's why I posted 4 others.
In fact, get 3 pieces of paper and use those. Write down your results. You will approach 33/66 win ratios based on stay or switch.
>>54623127
The lift is generated by the shape of the wings, not the engines.
>>54623185
When there are thee options with two possible goats you got 66% chance of picking the wrong one.
Two options with one possible goat is 50%
this shit is not set in stone
you could switch the door or not and still lose
the host is the problem
>>54623225
I know the problem is a true thing, I studied probability in college. I was only pointing out the website that guy posted was bullshit.
>>54623209
>The engines propel
what? jets engines are powered by fuel not movement from the air or wheel
i'm not even going to respond to this any more, its an obvious low effort troll, nice try though
>>54623256
That's not how it works.
>>54623249
Wrong. When you pick one door and he removes a goat you get a 33% chance if you stay and 66% if you switch.
The Monty Hall never has a 50% chance.
>>54623281
Keep pretending you're dumb, but it's not funny
>>54621871
maybebut it wont fly so good
>>54623273
It's not rigged when the computer switches up the choices you mongoloid.
If you played it manually you could cheat, yes. But when you simulate 1000+ iterations you still get the 33/66 split.
>>54622551
But out of those three scenarios, one is already omitted out of the equation. you can only choose one wrong door because the host eliminates the "other" wrong door. So shouldn't there still be two outcomes?
>-you chose the right one first time, and hence when you switch you dont get it
>-you chose one of the wrong doors, so switching will give you the correct door
>- you chose the other wrong door, so switching will give you the correct door
So delete the last probability and there are still 2 choices.
All in all i understand why i am wrong, you get extra information from the host and that makes the probability different than it was before but in practical terms, it makes no difference because when you are standing there in front of the doors it's still basically 50/50, pick one door or the other.
>>54623334
How many survivors will there be?
>>54623307
Nope you just suck at probability. If you stay you got a 33% of winning, if you switch it's 50%.
They don't add up to one because they are conditioned on different states.
>>54623352
If it crashes in the Alps. 0.
>>54623306
Why not?
>>54623349
>in pratical terms, it makes no difference
You clearly don't get it or you would understand that it does make a difference. I also have no idea why you would choose to delete the past probability: you have three choices to begin with.
>>54623365
>switch
>50%
No, you don't even understand the question.
It's 33% vs 66%. Anything you say otherwise is objectively wrong. Go try a simulator or google Monty Hall.
>>54622887
I understood this thing like an year ago on a VN but I forgot I did
The fact that they wanted to pick a door with a goat and chose say the 3rd implies the other two have one car.
If yours (1st) has it, they could choose between the 2nd and the 3rd freely.
If the 2nd has it, they were forced to choose the 3rd
1st being right gives a 50-50 chance that either other 2 doors are chosen to show, 2nd being right gives a 100% chance that 3rd is chosen
This means that the event that led 3rd to be chosen to show is more likely the 2nd door being right
>>54622150
>>54622736
>>54623209
>>54623245
all these retarded.
They literally busted this myth on Mythbusters
The plane will fly because the engines still produces thrust independent of how the wheels move.
>>54623450
I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.
>>54623450
I literally couldn't even read what you wrote because it was too retarded.
A SHAMAN ON AN ISLAND SAYS,
"I SEE SOMEONE WITH BLUE EYES"
>>54623393
The open door isn't "removed" from the problem, so the probability of your chosen door isn't effected.
Read the wikipedia page.
>>54622562
>You realise with math, 1 can equal 2, right?
show a proof of this that doesn't involve division by zero
>>54623421
I guess that's the thing, you start out with 3 probabilities, the host omits one (can't open the door you picked or the door with the car) making it 2 probabilities and then it is 2/3 chance. So i guess i got it.
>>54623452
>first 2 digits of flight number
>>54623578
But only if you switch it is a 2/3 chance, otherwise it remains a 1/3 chance.
>>54623483
How does... "The lift is generated by the shape of the wings, not the engines." in response to "yes, the lift is generated by the engines, not the movement of the wings" contradict "The plane will fly because the engines still produces thrust independent of how the wheels move."?
Retard.
>>54623041
The one in the bag, retard
Fuck you're dumb
>>54623680
Wtf? are you fucking stupid? The balls in the bag was a reversed example to show that the initial odds only change when the switch is made. How the fuck could you not understand that.
>>54623427
Yikes my bad
>>54623752
Eat a dick.
>>54623751
How the fuck is that possible when im holding my blue balls right now faggot
>>54622694
No. Someone bought a premature fetus doll at Walmart.
>>54623828
because 1/100 does not equal 0/100 you fucking moron.
>>54623817
Hey I said I'm sorry
>>54623869
Oh, sorry.
Eat MY dick.
>>54623494
The host had to choose a wrong door to show you
If you picked the right one he could choose between the two (one odd on one door, one on the other)
If you picked a wrong one he had to choose the only other wrong door (one odd on one door, 0 odds on the right one)
This makes 2 odds for one door and one for the right one
>>54621697
YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY PICK THE FIRST DOOR BEACUSE THE BACK HALF OF THE GOAT IS OBVIOUSLY IN DOOR 2 JUST LOOK AT WHERE THE GOAT IS STANDING
>>54623885
Nooo youuuu
Now how about movies that make you think? (gay)
>>54623913
I still don't know if you're actually getting the answer correct or not. Why can't you communicate properly.
If you dont get it imagine there are 100 doors. Montee reveals 98 of them to be goats. Then it makes a lot of sense to switch if you think about it.
>>54623969
I'm trying to explain it to those who aren't.
Choosing the other door is better.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnerds
http://pastebin.com/Qhj7X8e9
>>54623572
let a=b, and c =/= a or b
so a-b=c
a-b=1(a-b)=c
If a=b ->2a=2b
so 2a-2b=c
2a-2b=2(a-b)=c
c=c
therefore 1(a-b)=2(a-b)
divide by (a-b) to give 1=2
You should be able to spot the fallacy ... some won't.
>>54623969
He is making many logic leaps in his mind which are too hard or too complex to explain. This is why math is hard and easy. If you know the theory you can solve all the math problems with the correct steps. This is why i either get 8's or 3's in math at school.
>>54623913
Should have added a line:
And the fact one door was chosen makes it likely it had 2 odds and thus is the wrong one
>>54624206
You have issues tying your shoes, don't you?
What I find most perplexing is that such an obvious strategy wasn't well known on a show that was apparently willing to give you a free car at 50/50 odds.
>>54622089
Switching doesnt matter though, the choice has already been made and there is a 50% chance you have the car, switching doors you still have a 50% chance, the odds are changed whether you switched or not
>>54622128
What if you switch when there are two doors but then decide to switch again. A double-switcheroo? Does that mean it's your door 100% then since you switched once to cancel out the 33%?
>>54624125
dividing (a-b) = dividing (a-a) = dividing by 0. He asked for proof not involving division by zero you pretentious fucking clod. That isn't a mathematical proof it's a fucking joke.
Okay, if you still don't get it:
Your door has a 2/3 chance of being a goat. Of the remaining 2 doors, it is absolutely certain that there is at least 1 goat behind them, so the gameshow host showing you a goat does not change the probability of you getting a goat. Now if the probability of there being a goat behind your door is 2/3, the probability of there being a goat behind the other unopened door must be 1/3, so you should switch.
The amount of people not understanding/not knowing about the monty hall problem goes to show the general ignorance/stupidity of this board.
>>54624281
Information was hard to come by in the pre-internet days. That's why "hacking" payphones and shit worked. Because exploits were more underground so the people running the shit didn't know about people doing it.
>>54624282
Exactly. The choice was made at 1/3 odds, the fact a door was openned doesn't change those odds. It is only after switching with the new information that the odds change.
>>54624291
I think you mean 66.666666x2%. Real talk though, why would switching again double your odds are you a fucking retard?
>>54624317
I said it was a fallacy, you illiterate cunt. Those who can't into math won't spot it though. That was my point the whole time.
"Pure" math can be used to prove falsehoods, just as in this 3 door problem. Yes, on paper it's 33% & 66%, but in practical terms it's 50/50.
>>54624436
There is a show called Deal or No Deal that is quite popular in the UK and the final choice involves this understanding of probability. Almost no one makes the right choice.
>>54624517
>Iin pratical terms it's 50/50
NO IT ISN'T.
>those who can't get into math
That's you, blockhead.
>>54624517
http://www.shodor.org/interactivate/activities/SimpleMontyHall/
>>54624581
>NO IT ISN'T.
Cry louder.
captcha = ppleb
>>54624535
Actually Deal or No deal is just pure luck and taking the bankers deal at a decent time.
It makes no difference if you just pick one and open the rest with no regard for swapping since you are the only one opening it. The only variable is the bankers offer.
>>54624346
who the fuck cares about this shit
Synechdoche, New York
>>54624615
>the final choice
You get to swap your box with the one remaining box (i.e. the one fucking time you actually have an influence on the outcome of the game).
>>54623483
no they said it was plausible because their test rig was shit and they know it
>>54624611
fail more at math kiddo.
captcha = retard
>>54624663
That doesn't matter since you're the only one who opened boxes. It is literally a 50/50 chance in Deal or no Deal.
>>54624663
It's not the same because you haven't got the element of the host opening the door he knows is a booby prize. In DOND you just have two random boxes you've chosen.
>>54624709
Yeah my bad you're right. So much spacking out in this thread it started to effect me.
>>54624766
No worries, the dumb gets to me as well in these threads.
>>54624346
You and all the other pretentious idiots ITT aren't clever for knowing the answer to this problem. Accomplished mathematicians more intelligent than you used to deny the correct answer. I'd wager some people here don't even truly understand why you should switch, they just read on wikipedia that it was the right thing to do.
>>54624844
>accomplished mathematicians
Which?
>>54624844
>Accomplished mathematicians
No they didn't. Is simple as fuck.
>>54624844
>Accomplished mathematicians
Citation needed, because that maths is really quite simple. It's just counterintuitive if you just make a random guess.
>>54622468
the goat is GOAT
>>54624697
Captcha only has 5 letters, retar
>>54624868
>>54624907
http://www.stayorswitch.com/history.html
>>54624960
Captcha only has 7 letters, pinhead.
>>54624999
that's about the 50/50 or 66/33 chance, not about the solution of the problem
>>54624517
YEAH AND HE ASKED FOR PROOF. WHICH YOU FAILED TO DELIVER.
"PURE" MATH CANNOT PROVE FALSEHOODS BECAUSE "PURE" MATH IS LITERALLY JUST LOGIC.
stalker
Post more interesting Paradoxi (Paradoxons?) pls
Although you have to be literally retarded to not understand this one.
>>54624999
>The website gets the origin wrong
>The problem was originally posed in a letter by Steve Selvin to the American Statistician in 1975 (Selvin 1975a), (Selvin 1975b). It became famous as a question from a reader's letter quoted in Marilyn vos Savant's "Ask Marilyn" column in Parade magazine in 1990
It says they're PhD's, but in what? Frank Rose in an author so his is probably in English.
>>54625082
You seem mighty butthurt, are you on your meds?
Wow, none of you idiots even understand the problem.
>>54624868
>>54624899
Yeah, they did. Look on wikipeda or >>54624999
Sorry you're not as clever as you thought.
>>54625252
>I didn't read the thread
That's just ... amateur.
>>54625348
>implying its not a valid solution to the given problem in the OP.
>>54625007
Not on Firefox and Chrome
>>54625091
You can use the same method to show a + b = c for a right triangle.
>>54625252
Lol
>>54625423
To use a reddit meme:
"Whoosh"
>>54624441
>Exactly. The choice was made at 1/3 odds, the fact a door was openned doesn't change those odds. It is only after switching with the new information that the odds change.
Except you get two choices, not just one. The original selection, and whether you switch. It's always advantageous to switch because you had a 1/3 chance to select a goat, and the host will ALWAYS reveal a goat on "his turn".
>>54625551
That's what I said...
>>54625591
That's what she said.
Why do people still try to argue 50% when they are dead fucking wrong?
>>54625720
Because it's an unintuitive puzzle which is popular for that exact reason. At first glance most people won't get it.
Doesn't matter, even if I don't get a new car, I get a new goat.
>>54625720
The same reason people argue pic related
>>54622468
>arab detected
>>54625775
Also pic related
Most people think it's possible to draw a line that passes through every door without passing through the same door twice.
>>54625757
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test
tl;dr if you choose the basket you're a normal person but if you choose the box you're an autist
>>54625757
Anne's a cunt
I don't get it at all. Let me walk through this. Ok, 3 doors. Could be any one of them has the cool goat you want, rather than the stupid car or the loser goat.
So, door one. Might have the Fonz goat. Then someone says, you sure? So you go with door number two.
Why didn't you just pick door two in the first place then? In effect, you were always going to pick door two. Sucks to be you if the goat is behind door one, because you just had to change your mind because someone asked.
So let's say it's behind door three.
So you pick door one, and he asks if you're sure. So you go for door two because your OCD requires it for some reason. You think "Well, there's a 50% chance I was correct to change for some reason. I mean, I don't know that my first choice is right and I have no idea why I'm even changing, but yeah, one of the other two are somehow better."
What the fuck?
PS Maths is gay.
>>54625757
I think this test is designed for <4 year old and so on. My initial response, as I imagine is many others, is that it all depends on Sally's knowledge of Anne.
>>54625757
The box because Sally's a command-reading cunt AI.
>>54625954
>I don't get it at all. Let me walk through this. Ok, 3 doors. Could be any one of them has the cool g
Stopped reading.
>>54625973
It's actually a literal autism test as it relies on you assuming that Sally has different information than the viewer has.
Mythbusters tested this, in case anyone wants a better understanding of what the idea is.
>>54625995
That's my point. The test is designed to test for autism in young children, nothing else. Therefore I think it's unlikely that you will get a similar response from adults autist or otehrwise.
>>54625423
Lol kill yourself
>>54621697
It's 50/50. I really am trying to but i can't ser whats the point here.
>>54624602
that's not a fucking goat you fucking asshole
>>54626174
Funny, that's what your mother said when I took her around the back.
>>54626163
read the thread. read wikipedia. read whatever. It's not that complicated when you start thinking about it.
>>54626163
WRONG DIPSHIT.
>>54623914
this guy gets it
>>54626274
>>54626332
Still think you all are just trying to find a problem where Theresa none
