LOOTED CARNIFEXES edition.
>Rules databases
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
>FAQ’s and Errata (outdated but official)
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
> The Black Library(Stay the fuck away from the clowns)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
> Space 0Din's glorious work
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20[Space%20Odin](2016).pdf?dl=0
How mad would you be if I painted my Commissar in my dude's colors?
>>48234362
Didn't you already ask this?
>>48234374
Maybe. Could've forgot though.
>>48234412
I'm pretty sure you did, and you were told it was okay.
new general, new discord shilling
https://discord.gg/FpVfNKp
>>48234429
Sorry about that then, have a headache right now and forgot about it.
I remember seeing this guys work on tyranidhive forums
Its on Dakka too, but it was always my favorite shit ever besides chaos knightz
>>48234513
...How would this even work?
>>48234362
It would probably look terrible unless your army was dark colored or you still had black and red on the commissar's primary outfit and just painted his cape that color or something.
>>48234521
Orks believe it will work, so it works.
>>48234526
Eh, it probably would. I just don't feel like ordering up some red paints for him, and whatever other colors I'd need. Color scheme is pic related.
>>48234513
it just works
>>48234521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp4V3Sj5jE
>>48234109
>What's the name of this planet?
It's one of the worlds in the Jericho Reach.
It might be Vallia.
What's the best way to play drop podding mehreens that doesn't include a cunthammer? Looking to do a star phantoms army but don't really know enough about the codex to build a good list
>>48234562
Replace the red parts of the commissar with your army's blue IMO. Or if you're really deadset and lazy, just go full M Bison.
>>48234521
>>48234572
the same way thee bitches work
but seriously who cares?
aren't orks more on the fantasy side of the lore anyway?
>>48234601
White Scars Battle Company.
>>48234562
Weren't you in the 30k thread? I remember seeing this guardsman there.
>>48234607
dats chumps play tho!
>>48234601
HQ
1 Zhurukhal Androcles
Elite
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
Troops
10 Tactical Marines, Drop Pod
10 Tactical Marines, Drop Pod
Fast Attack
Haha, fuck you.
Heavy Support
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
5 Devastators, 4 Grav-Cannons, Drop Pod
>>48234457
>>48234471
I think there may be a misunderstanding here. I was under the assumption this planet would have no atmosphere and that nid ground units need to breathe. The dominate way to lose heat in a vacuum is radiative, with decent insulation and as long as you don't vent atmosphere you're ok.
>>48234607
Well, at least there's one Tyranid unit with access to the stock psychic disciplines.
>>48234669
Lel that list will get shitstomped by orks m8.
>>48234457
Space is 2.7 kelvin but you don't automatically go down to that temperature from exposure. We know Tyranids have bullshit energy conservation rules, such as losing 0 energy from inter-hive conflict, so it wouldn't be a surprise if their living ships generated enough internal body heat to not care about the temperature of outer space.
If the nids have the ability to maintain their heat in the near zero of space, they have the ability to do so on the near zero of this hypothetical planet.
Besides, isn't their fluff of them absorbing stars into the biomass? They could just fling the planet into a nearby star and absorb it.
Actually, it's highly unlikely that the nids would notice any planet at near zero anyways. Such a planet couldn't be in any orbit around a star, and with such a low energy, it would be barely visible in the night sky. Certainly there would be nothing to give it away that this random hunk of useless rock is out in the empty void between stars.
>>48234669
Alright, let's say I would like to consider the possibility of having friends after playing this once. I don't need a list built for me, but what are the essentials to a good drop pod army
>>48234669
That or nids. Or guardsmen and conscript blobs. Or really any light infantry.
>>48234710
Drop Pods.
>>48234705
Is not just a question about temperature differences, but more about conductivity.
>>48234705
>If the nids have the ability to maintain their heat in the near zero of space, they have the ability to do so on the near zero of this hypothetical planet.
What if that planet's atmosphere is endothermic?
>>48234705
>them absorbing stars into the biomass
You might be thinking of the Necrons. You got your fluff crossed with something else.
>>48234603
Honestly I might do that just because that pic inspires me.
>>48234640
Aye, plan on starting someLoyalist when possibleIron Warriors later. This is more for practice and learning how to do models, considering that FW is far more expensive then the GW Starter boxes. Plus the skin and faces on the guardsmen is good practice.
>>48234779
how would it be endothermic? That implies some continual reaction is taking the energy out of something, to which the question is: where does that energy go?
>>48234649
i'd like to imagine that they painted the carnifex green to make it more orky.
>>48234669
Its not that you won't have friends,
you'll just get blasted by literally any faction with a good list
btw you'll also lose turn 1 with nothing on the field like a faggot
>>48234779
Well, the problem with a planet with an atmosphere close to the that of the temperature of space would mean that its very far away from a star and has very little to no atmosphere at all. Unless, through 40k magic, the planet is artificially cooled.
>>48234814
the carnifex naturally adapted to the looting
truly making nids the ultimate bioweapon in form, function, and now style!
>>48234746
>>48234779
Sure, space is surprisingly insulatory, and cold rocks are not. But the nids have more biomass than planet, by probably a lot.
Energy doesn't just disappear. So the nids can just drown the planet in warm bodies, raise the temperature a couple hundred degrees, while it slowly radiates the heat away.
>>48234607
Anon your army looks awesome
Would forge narrative with/10
>>48234782
Cool 30k seems like a nice game. And I like your color scheme. Pic related is mine. I think the greys make it look very Imperial.
>>48234818
>hur dur lose turn one with NUFFIN on the field faggot git gud
Read drop pod assault you fucking retard.
>>48234885
do tou always go first
also thats a gay list anyways
What's a good way to run an Iron Hands demi-company at 1000pts?
>>48234669
>Drop Pod
>>48234669
What kind of autist would want to assemble 8 drop pods?
How do I into dark eldar?
>>48234880
Thanks anon, yours doesn't look too bad either. Planning on fielding a ton of these with a bit of decimation and tac spamming.
>>48234914
i noticed a distinct lack of snotlings spilling from the egg sac
>>48234990
Al'Kaps, you have to realize that you might just get a Monkey's Paw.
>>48235079
You can't have snotlings and dakka in an egg sack together.
>>48235056
There's no ATSKNF on there?
>>48235125
its 30k
>>48235056
>Planning on fielding a ton of these
you are cancer
>>48234809
To power the planet's grimdark freezing core, obviously.
>>48235056
For now I'm sticking to 40k with my Guardsmen and I run my lads in a blob squad as a platoon with some Leman Russ spam too and a pysker. Got an Executioner too just to spite Tau players and there stupid shitty Riptides.
>>48234839
>Energy doesn't just disappear
Neither does matter, yet Necron weaponry exists.
>>48235125
Anon, the Space Marine Legions aren't Fearless in 30k.
>>48235145
>you are cancer
Dang. Was hoping that they weren't OP or anything like that.
>>48235145
With the kind of bullshit other players field, you kind of have to spam shit like quad launchers.
>>48235125
Yeah 30k and 40k marines are different. They're both incapable of feeling fear, but the latter is more disciplined save maybe the Iron Warriors who don't care that they're going to die in the Ironfire. Marine making is more stringent in 40k to sum it all up.
>>48235183
no you dont.
maybe if you are playing against 40k tau lists or some shit. but against 30k lists any more than like 2 thudd guns is cancer
>>48235170
>Was hoping that they weren't OP or anything like that.
with phosphex they are OP
>>48235163
Necron weaponry doesn't make matter disappear. it changes the state of the matter.
>>48235221
>phosphex
Nah, I was going to keep them with frag rounds or Shatter shells if I'm expecting a ton of vehicles. Going to Ride the Ironfire and become Fearless!
>>48235125
Nah, I think like only 3 of the legions are nearly Fearless. IW, DG, and WB, I think. They don't have Fearless though, none of them do I don't think.
>>48235221
>the gun can squad up to three
>photos of 3 or more are commonly found in online army photos
>PSSSH YOU WONT NEED MORE THAN 2
Bitch the fact that people so commonly have 3 rapiers minimum already defaults you to needing 3 yourself to match. Have fun pretending bolters and HBs will beat knights and Spartans.
>>48235327
>he thinks people take thudd guns for AV
top kek. you dont even play the game.
you take rapiers and laser destroyers for AV.
thudd guns are for OP phosphex cancer. git gud
>>48235252
> Rite of war focused on DANGER CLOSE BOMBARDMENT
> You only need to risk gibbing your own squads in order to make no-scatter bombardments
Kek.
>>48235383
There's absolutely no risk to your dudes unless you're within 2" of the dudes you're trying to frag as long as you have a nuncio vox
>>48235375
That post says rapiers you nigger.
>>48235437
hes because hes a dumb ass who thinks people that thudd guns for AV.
people take laser destroyer rapiers for AV. learn to read nigger
>>48235383
It's one of the reasons I love it. Either git gud or get decimated.
>>48235375
You can't even get the fucking names right. They're ALL rapiers. The rapier is the chassis. And it's a quad mortar not a thudd gun you worthless IG playing faglord.
>>48235437
he also said people take thudd guns to destroy spartans. which is funny since shatter shells cant even glance a spartan with a flare shield.
>>48235470
Hard to read posts when they're formatted by such a retard who throws out random incorrect names for the shit he's talking about. S8 Sunder 4 is plenty to kill vehicles.
Goddammit Forgeworld EVEN YOUR SERVITORS ARE BETTER!
Thinking of using these guys as proxy servitors in 40k, because the current GW servitors are kinda ugly. Any advice when working with FW resin? It'll be my first time using non-plastic figures.
>>48235522
Get some reading comprehension dumbass. You said quad mortars are cheese and "don't need to be taken", and then the response was "have fun dealing with [CHEESE LIKE SPARTANS AND KNIGHTS] with [SHITTY WEAPONS LIKE BOLTERS]. Nobody said to try to kill spartans with quad mortars, they said you wouldn't be able to deal with cheese like spartan spam without using cheese like quad mortars.
Your own fucking argument is "nobody brings cheese that's why you don't need more than 2 of these cheesy guns". To which I say bullshit, you're fucking clueless, and there's a reason not a single person in this thread agrees with you right now and every HHG is about how to beat retarded cheese people bring. The fact that the fucking Taghmata exists in its current form in a format supposedly made for balance and MEQ is already proof that 30k is unbalanced as fuck.
>>48235522
said the braindead faggot who doesnt even play the game and thinks that thudd guns will stop a spartan.
top kek. kys retard. take all the thudd guns you want my double spartan list will shit on your face
>>48235222
Nuclear weapons irl make matter disappear, by making it into energy. That is literally what E=Mc^2 calculates.
>>48235576
See >>48235553
>hurr you won't need to spam cheesy shit like quad guns
>HURR I'LL WRECK YOU WITH MY SPARTANS
Nice argument you got there dumbass. So which is it? Nobody brings cheese and you don't need cheese, or people DO bring cheese, thus you will fucking need cheese? Get your shit straight, faggot. Can't even find the shift key but you can find time in your worthless life to shitpost.
>retarded 40kids actually think that the thudd gun is an AV platform that is a good counter to spartans
my sides
>>48235595
And? The mass/energy still remains constant. You're talking about basically another state change.
>retarded 30kfag that nobody likes thinks quad mortars are called thudd guns and S8 sunder can't hurt vheicles and knights
>and also thinks 30k has no cheesy players
That's even more hilarious than trying to shoot flared spartans with an s8.
>>48235602
>>48235576
>>48235507
>>48235470
>>48235375
>>48235221
>>48235145
WHOA HOW DID I SPOT THE DUMB FAGGOT, GUYS?!
>>48235601
oh yes. because your thudd guns will really work to counter the 'cheesy' spartan, which is essentially av 15. lmfao dumbass.
thudd guns are cancer because with phosphex they can delete anything not in a vehicle.
newsflash kiddo, if somebody isnt running heavy vehicles, they arent running a 'cheese' list.
if you want to fight against 'cheese' than take 3+ laser desroyer vindicators or grav/laser rapiers. dumbass
>>48235602
>still can't press shift
>still calls quad mortars the wrong name
>so pathetic he's not even arguing anymore he's just trying to pretend to be someone else laughing but he's too stupid to hide his formatting
Your sides.
>>48235634
Once again, see >>48235553
Here, I'll quote it for you because you're that fucking stupid
>Get some reading comprehension dumbass. You said quad mortars are cheese and "don't need to be taken", and then the response was "have fun dealing with [CHEESE LIKE SPARTANS AND KNIGHTS] with [SHITTY WEAPONS LIKE BOLTERS]. Nobody said to try to kill spartans with quad mortars, they said you wouldn't be able to deal with cheese like spartan spam without using cheese like quad mortars.
Higher brain functions like simple logic and two step thought chains must be beyond you.
>>48235640
>he literally thinks that thudd guns are a good counter to 'cheesy spartan lists'
certifiably braindamaged.
>>48235634
So Spartans aren't cheese, but you're going to brag about beating someone with them? And why take two if they suck? Your logic is all kinds of terrible.
>taking laser vindicators
>ever
Yeah that flimsy chassis that has to remain stationary is going to be so good.
>>48235640
Imperial Knight flanked by fire dragons with shields facing front.
HIS SIDES! D:
>baby dick IW faggots spamming 6 phosphex quad mortars think that they arent 'cheesy' while crying about spartans and knights
>they also think that s8 is a great counter to av15
pure genius.
its nice to see that none of you actually play the game.
>>48235653
>he literally thinks quad mortars are thudd guns
>>48235252
>>48235056
I apologize for the people in this thread.We seem to have extra butthurt faggots in the thread today.
>>48235602
>>48235672
Are you a retard? You're not even responding to anyone, but we all know it's you, you dipshit.
>>48235708
I apologize for somehow derailing it.
>>48235702
they are.
maybe if you stupid dorks actually played the game instead of LARPing as somebody who plays the game, youd know that.
on a scale of no artillery to a Colossus Bombard Battalion backed up by Nine Mortars and three Basilisks. How much is a good amount of Artillery for a 2500 point guard list?
>>48235723
Just do what I usually do and post tonks. That or actual games you've been in seems to get the threads back on the rails.
ITT, pathetic nerds cling to the putrefied corpse of a game that died 15 years ago. 40K is going the way of WHFB. Enjoy your paperweight collection, /tg/
>>48235772
Well at least when Age of Emperor hits, SoB will get a sexy Alarielle equivalent.
Just kidding, GW is just going to keep wasting time making AoS garbage.
>>48235765
I've just about finished this tonk. It's my first one! Putting on the treads right now.
>>48235757
How much arty do you want? Remember to have some points left over for platoons to use as bubble wrap for your vehicles and to protect them from charges and to be used as cover.
>>48235772
>he said on the board made to contain all the 40k threads
>same game that has at least 4 threads up
>same game that most of the people posting in /wip/ are working on
oh i needed a good laugh before bed. gw isn't gonna die within the next 30 years
>>48235788
Nice!! I just started painting my first Executioner today. People in the last thread helped me come up with the name "Nova" for it after it killed a Riptide. Pic related is when I primed it.
Question. I have 10 nobz i need to build. What should i build them with. I am thinking 3 big choppas, 2 PK's, 3 kombi rockets and 2 kombi skorchas.
>>48235750
>maybe if you stupid dorks actually played the game instead of LARPing as somebody who plays the game
Absolutely SAVAGE.
>>48235788
And here's my first Russ after I painted it up. Lighting isn't that good I know. But I had a lot of fun putting together and painting it. It was very relaxing .
>>48235545
Get a Respirator, Sandpaper, a Pin Vice, 28/24/20 gauge florist wire(ALL OF THEM), and finally some superglue.
Pin fucking everything, superglue inside and out. And don't forget to wear your respirator anytime you're sanding or drilling the resin. As cancerous as 4chan is, I don't want to hear about you getting actual cancer.
Also, warped parts can be fixed by dipping them in boiled water, or with a heat gun. Resin becomes bendy and pliable when heated up, then hardens when cooled.
>>48235853
I'd go with just straight PKs. Just because you'll end up going last in melee because of their initiative so when you finally do attack back you'll kill lots of shit.
>>48235125
IIRC ATSKNF is the result of hypno-indoctrination, basically brain-washing, which was begun to prevent another heresy from ever happening.
So no. Also, keep in mind that 30k marines are experiencing stuff like chaos abd fighting against their brothers for the first time. They haven't been herdened by the millenia
>>48235832
That looks pretty nice! Though, I could never take that much plasma in any of my own armies. I just can't stand the Gets Hot! rule.
>>48235883
Agreed, I find it more fun to put together than any of the Guardsmen I have, and I'll likely find it better to paint as well.
>>48235889
>Respirator, Sandpaper
Do you really need that for FW stuff? That sounds odd to me.
>>48235945
Forgeworld stuff has an extremely high level of detail, however the resin often comes with problems such as warping, flash, and mold slip.
You need sandpaper and/or greenstuff to fix mold slip, and a good knife to fix flash.
Resin is a carcinogen if inhaled. That means IT WILL GIVE YOU CANCER. Protect yourself by wearing a respirator, or failing that, a dust mask. The respirator is preferred though, since the dust mask doesn't actually get 100% of the dust. Sanding or drilling resin produces dust that can give you cancer.
How would you guys feel about letting tempests take vultures?
>>48235945
Resin dust is carcinogenic. You need it.
>>48235945
>Do you really need that for FW stuff? That sounds odd to me.
nah youll be fine.
>>48235945
Oddly enough I haven't failed one gets hot role with it yet. And I have a very Riptide and battlesuit filled meta so you need lots of plasma and Ap2 especially if you're the Guard to survive. And as much as I love painting up Guardsmen it's more fun getting to paint up the tanks. Especially because with such a big model to paint it's a lot harder to mess it up completely.
>>48235982
>>48235986
Well, that's good to know.
Now I'm feeling a little paranoid because I feel like I'll not be able to clean everything properly and have dust and shavings everywhere.
Why is it not in plastic, again?
>>48236026
Reasons.
>>48236026
Resin means they can get more details.
>>48236026
Because again, the plastic GW uses can't produce a high level of detail. It sacrifices LOD for being sturdier, which is a common thing you'll find in plastic. Finer detail means using more fragile kinds of plastic.
These are meant to be 'premium' models anyway, with the absolute highest attention to detail. Or at least that's the theory.. I'm looking at YOU malcador tank.
>>48236038
>>48236040
>>48236048
Huh, alright then. That's good to know, especially since I'll be ordering tons of MkIII and some other things for my future IW army.
>>48236048
GW can put on tons of details if they wanted to. They have some really detailed HQs and large AoS kits out right now, as well as blinged up marines.
The real issue with GW plastic is they can't fit FW quality sculpts on the sprue in multi-part, especially because for some reason they can't do plastic injection undercuts. Also even if they were able to perfectly replicate FW sculpts on plastic, the detail would be slightly less crisp due to being plastic. Even moreso if they outsource to China like they do with terrain or the city bases, which have very gummy details.
>>48235889
DAMN! I knew Forge World was expensive but I didn't know they could literally cost you your life!
Glad I got the warning before I started.
>>48235832
Nova's about as perfect a name for an executioner as you can get.
Also, maybe the name should go on one of the turret side plates, if you don't plan on adding insignias there.
>>48236107
Which is why you just need to take the reasonable precaution of using a respirator. There's no risk at all if you use the right tools and know what you're doing.
>>48236107
Yeah I was thinking about that. I'll post some pics of it when I'm finished painting it hopefully thread will still be up by then.
>>48236026
>have dust and shavings everywhere.
Would this be an actual problem, I wonder? Now I'm feeling proper paranoid, and I keep snakes in my room where I do my stuff as well.
>>48236107
Do you name any of your squads? My first one is squad Hope but I still need names for the other two. Thread can you help?
tip for the resin-paranoid: when you sand, do it with the model underwater. It either sticks to the paper or falls in the water.
>>48236232
shhh dont tell them. let darwin do his thing
>>48236229
Not the same anon, but I go by the simple "Squad is named after it's sergeant", unless I'm in kill teams. And by that point, all of my veteran sergeants are named after characters from the metal gear series. So I have sergeants Plisken, and Solidus, and so on. My Chapter Champion is named Master Adamska, so I literally have revolver ocelot as chapter champion of the raptors.
At that point the squads get referred to as "Squad Solidus, Squad Adamska".
>>48236232
Thanks, anon. Sounds good to me.
>>48236229
Well I do name my guardsmen, but I name them after the insignias they get. So I put the little skull transfer on one squad's left arms and they are "Skull Squad". I put little spade transfers on another squads left arms and they are "Spade Squad". Also "Wing Squad", and "Diamond Squad". Problem is, I still have more guardsmen on the way and I'm running out of transfer Icons.
I also ordered a new transfer sheet from the Iron Hands faction because theirs has these cool cogwheel insignias that I can stick on my tanks, so now I'll have callsigns "Skullcog", "Fistcog", "Tridentcog", "Holecog", and I can't see what the symbols are on the last couple but they look like squiggly lines and shall thus be "Squigglecog" until I find out.
>>48236300
Cool theme anon. I might go for naming them after what they've done in battle. So one of them will be known as sacrifice because they were killed to man protecting their commissar who lived to hold the final objective I needed to win the game and the other one will be known as squad Green because they're the most recent one I've purchased and therefore not as experienced.
>>48236026
>>48236219
I do all my resin cutting,shaving, sanding and drilling underwater with huge kitchen gloves on
I always wear gloves and a mask when working with resin
After im done I strip off my clothes and put them in the washer and take a shower immediately
>>48236384
Same anon here. That's pretty genius too as well as what the other poster uses. As I get more squads I may have to steal one of those ideas for my next platoon of Guardsmen.
>>48236389
You've made me feel only more paranoid. Especially since I keep my sneks in my room.
>>48236424
Dont work with resin in your room mate
I do all my resin stuff on a makeshift workstation in the back corner of my property with a folding chair and a wood panel resting on a trashcan as a table
>>48236412
A word of warning: The Command squads have insignias already built into the special weapons soldier's (were talking melta, flamer, and plasma) right shoulders. So make sure the squad insignia is on the soldier's LEFT.
>>48236456
Sounds good to me.
So work with it outside with a mask and all that, and build(?) and paint inside, correct?
>>48236424
do you use an airbrush?
>>48236424
Oh god! PLEASE do not give your noodle friends cancer. The smaller an animal, the more vulnerable to toxins and carcinogens.
Are dire wolves or chaos warhounds better as substitute flesh hounds? They're the same amount of models and price, so I'd save the same money with either regardless but I don't know who would look the part after a fitting paintjob.
>>48236493
The point's already been made and I've not worked with resin yet, fortunately. Just need to keep my dogs away from it when I work outside with the resin.
Please. Ive cut and sanded resin for years. No mask. There are a lot of carcinogens in the world. Unless you're habitually inhaling resin dust, it's very unlikely you'll have any issues.
>>48236474
yes
The end goal should be to minimize or eliminate any dust or shavings by working with it underwater
What I do personally is
>Work outside
>Pour all the pieces into a big tub filled with water
>Do all my clipping, cutting, shaving, scraping etc underwater until each piece is clean
>Take them out and dunk them in a second tub of water to remove all dust traces, then let everything dry
>Move them to my garage workspace
>Perform all assembly (still with mask just in case)
Make sure to also have a fan on blowing the air away, since resin also has an odor that isnt too great for you either, as well as superglue fumes (the fumes are still there even if the glue is "odorless")
>>48236504
yes, just paint them red. not like anyone would know the wiser, you can even make your own karnak by putting 3 heads on a dog
>>48236476
I airbrush without a mask all the time. You guys are a bunch of pussies.
>>48236553
M8 theres nothing badass about getting brain damage or cancer from painting little army guys
>>48236553
Captain Tumor is that you?
>>48236543
Alright then. Unfortunately my garage is a mess, so I can't work there. So should I sand and clean them outside, and paint and build/glue them inside? Or should I only paint them inside?
All Veteran Sergeants should have two wounds. It's utter horseshit that Eldar get ten point Veteran Sergeants with improved armor, an extra wound, and a special rule.
>>48236470
I will try to remember sir. I already have one platoon command squad equipped with a melts so maybe I'll give the others some different special weapons.
>>48236553
honestly i doubt any of you ITT have to be worried about cancer, youll all die of heart attacks due to your obesity long before cancer would set in.
>>48236590
You can build them inside just fine, just make sure to wash off any dust that may have gotten on them from the cleaning process before you do
>>48236611
Alright, got it. Thanks for the advice, anon!
>>48236609
>Implying they wont have cures for cancer and heart attacks by the time I get there
Cheeseburgers, cigarettes, whiskey and chinese resin all day everyday
>>48236593
When was your last game against Eldar where that actually mattered?
>>48236624
>shit taste and shit choices
>oh look he buys chinaman too
Maybe if you didn't have such bad taste and didn't keep making such bad choices you could buy something other than chinese garbage and cheeseburgers.
>>48236700
What army do you run anon? Do you have any resin in it?
According to the Beast series, the Orks are a created race with genetic knowledge and psychic power encoded into their species. They are also genetically programmed to dominate and destroy.
The Orks, according to the series, can only access fragments of their racial memory and genetic knowledge. If simulated by violence and war long enough the Orks will continue to unlock their genetic heritage until they evolve into a different race (The True Orks).
So that raises a lot of questions. Who created the Orks and for what purpose? Is the True Orks a new evolution for the species or is it the Ork race returning to their original state?
>>48236700
Like seriously do you have any army and play the game? Or are you just here to shit all over the thread?
>>48236700
if you actually buy resin from FW you are retarded.
shit from china costs 1/10th the price for the exact same or better quality, and most of it doesnt even come on sprue so theres no clean up.
then again you are one of the faggots who doesnt even play the game, so i doubt youd know.
>>48236735
The Old Ones created them and the Eldar to fight in the war against the Necrons. And I believe they never got to finish the orks so that's why they're goofed up and stuff.
Chaos Space Marines should get Grenade Launchers with variant ammunition types. Like Warphex or some shit. Plus variant ammunition for their solid shot weapons.
>>48236735
That is Thraka. Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka. As for the other thing please tell me you have read an Ork dex before.
>>48236770
That was the case.
>>48236782
So a lot like 30k and phosphex?
Was just looking at AOS general and apparently they're attaching point costs to formations to balance them and it seems to be working pretty fine. Thread think the same can be done to help balance 40k better?
>>48236939
no. and i know that everybody in the AoS thread is mentally handicapped, so chances are if they think something is good, its shit.
>>48236939
It's actually already in the rules that there may be a points cost attached to a formation.
The thing is, I don't think any actually have any points costs, and some actually give you free stuff!
>>48236939
heres how you actually fix 40k
>remove all formations
>strict CAD only
>only allowed 1 allied detachment and it may not be from the same codex
>stricter allies matrix
>lords of war limited to 1 per entire army, per every 1k points.
would cut most of the bullshit out
>>48237066
>>lords of war limited to 1 per entire army, per every 1k points.
Fuck that, just limit it to 1 period and don't even allow it unless it's a 1500+ game or it's a cheap LoW like Gabriel Seth. Also fix the bullshit psychic powers that are OP as shit.
Get all that main rulebook bullshit out of the way then you can focus on OP individual codexes but as it is even the main rulebook is a mess.
>>48236991
Well did you play Fantasy Battles or something? Because from what I've seen most people who hate AOS are Fantasy fans who are upset about losing there setting or shitposters who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>48237066
>>48237106
Who plays Lords of War in 1000pt games have you ever seen it? I really haven't seen an abuse of that so far.
>>48237108
>everyone who doesn't like AoS is either mad or stupid
>>48237106
>just limit it to 1 period and don't even allow it unless it's a 1500+ game
yeah that works
seth and other characters shouldnt even be lords of war.
>Also fix the bullshit psychic powers that are OP as shit.
yup
>>48237108
anybody who plays that 'game' is braindead. might as well just go play legos with the other 8 year olds.
>>48237066
>strict CAD only
>remove all formations
I actually like formations for list building
I'd rather see formation bonuses get removed or points costs attached to formations
>>48237145
I just don't think it deserves that much hate that's all.
>>48237156
>>48237066
That just makes Eldar and Tau the undisputed masters of the game.
What're you waiting for /tg/? What makes your heart and soul ache with yearning for something that may never come?
For me? Pic related
>>48237108
Not him, but I myself simply don't like AoS because of it's aesthetics. It looks too much like a medieval 40k to me, and the Sigmarines could be mistaken for Sanguinary Guard at a glance. It just doesn't look good to me.
>>48237066
Why not FW's rules for it? All LoW's must cost less then 25% of your total points cost.
>>48237066
I like having different formations. At least, I like the Cadian formations because many of them take a common IG strategy and give buffs to people who dedicate themselves to that strategy.
Like tanks? Well if you buy one more tank we'll give you BS4 tanks with rerolling damage!
Like Mechguard? Well stick a CCS and a fast attack in your army for a little extra firepower where you need it!
Like Gunlines? Here, have ALL THE GUARDSMEN!
Like Valkyries? Here's a special formation for them too! This one lets you drop guys off easier with proper planning.
Here's one for you Psyker-lovers!
Here's one for your Ogryns!
Here's one for your superheavies whose rules you'll never even use!
>>48237161
That's basically what I was saying about how AOS seems to be more balanced than 40k because each formation costs points.
>>48237156
I wish this meme would go away
aos has problems, but it has some good things too
the newer units have a lot more interaction than the recycled WFB units, the battleshock rules are way better than the 40k morale rules, and as long as people go in with the right expectations it is actually pretty fun
>>48237200
what's even worse is Abnett has confirmed that won't be the last of the series
so prepare for another ~5 year wait for the next one
>>48237196
thats why you nerf the broken codexes like eldar and tau.
>>48237161
>I actually like formations for list building
too bad. they are whats destroyed 40k.
>>48237202
>I like the Cadian formations because many of them take a common IG strategy and give buffs to people who dedicate themselves to that strategy.
you shouldnt need bonuses for the codex to fucking work properly.
>>48237168
I agree but the attitude of gw towards it customers during the transition was deplorable
also the game has to many problems to mention in one post and im not gunna shitpost in the 40k general anymore about it
>>48237204
on a certain level I'd almost rather see formation bonuses get removed than points costs added
then there could be more formations and better formations, especially for weaker armies with shitty tax units in their formations
>>48237247
I think the biggest problem with AoS is that nobody reads the rules
which is also one of the bigger problems with 40k too
>>48237261
>AoS
>rules
good one.
>>48237241
Looks like someone's a little butthurt. But honestly I think Formations should be kept just they each should have specific drawbacks or should give less bonuses.
>>48237277
all formations do is dumb down the game so that drooling retards can be more easily convinced to buy whatever shit GW feels like selling at the time.
Why does GW keep pouring so much money and effort into WHFB/AoS with constant new humongous models and sometimes really cool sculpts too.
All of that money fucking comes from 40K profits they should be investing it in 40K. Instead they use 40K profits to squander on AoS products that become a loss/don't make as much profit as 40K.
Why.
>>48237298
Well how do you play your armies? What do you bring? And I think it's reasonable to get some bonuses for taking certain units. There should just be drawbacks for taking them.
>>48237298
You know the CAD still exists right?
Of course you don't. You don't actually play 40k.
>>48237298
Not true, some formations give you an excuse to use the old shit you bought back when GW felt like selling that shit. Free razorbacks, relentless devastatotrs, etc.
>>48237311
>You don't actually play 40k.
>says the stupid faggot who thinks formations are a good thing
thats rich
>>48237311
>You know the CAD still exists right?
New players don't even know what that is since 6E and 7E moved so far away from the traditional FOC. I'm not even joking. It's like when you walk up to some teenager and he doesn't know what the Matrix is.
>>48237189
Why do 40k and 30k players get so upset about Age of Sigmar?
>>48237328
When did I say they were good? I'm saying you can still play using the CAD and ignore people who aren't using it if that's what you want.
And your refusal to acknowledge that just shows how much of a little bitch you are. Nobodys making you play against battle company's or convocations or stealth cadres moron. Why don't you just be a man and say "no, I don't want to play against that army"? Why do you have to insist the game is unplayable?
>>48237349
I thought it was WHFB players who got upset about AoS. If I had to guess it's because 40K players are scared they will get End Times and Age of Emperor.
>>48237349
because its a terrifying thought that gw would take one of their staple games and do that with it
>>48237349
why does everybody who isnt suffering from serious brain damage dislike age of sigmar?
is it a conspiracy?
>>48237349
30k players are always buttfrustrated about everything and refuse to stop talking about how cool they think they are for playing 30k
>>48237352
Eldar and Daemon CAD are pretty good. Can't think of any others with CADs more desirable than a formation though that aren't weaker armies like IG or Orks though. I guess vanilla marine CAD is also pretty good due to cents and bikes.
>>48237349
It's a stupid shitty meme. AoS would sell more but whenever you try to play it you get harassed by people who won't allow fun. It's mostly 40k players.
>>48237340
Well really new players should read the brb like I did, I'm very tolerant of new players, but I'm not going to help anyone who refuses to help themselves. Nobody told me about CADs, I figured it out by actually reading the book I paid so much money for.
>>48237352
you sound like a beaten wife.
stop sucking GWs cock for 2 seconds and realize that formations are whats destroyed the game.
>>48237365
They all buy recasts too. They can't even be an haughty moneybags hoity toity elitist properly.
>>48237340
What army do you play?
>>48237374
It's not about them being more desirable, in fact that's kind of the point, formations are generally unbalanced.
Every army can do well in a CAD (except Orks I guess) but only some armies have the ability for untold amounts of anal rape via their bullshit formations.
>>48237381
You and I both know new players from /tg/ aren't going to read the rulebook when they could just post stupid questions instead.
>>48237375
>whenever you try to play it you get harassed by people who won't allow fun. It's mostly 40k players
>AoS is only doing bad because those evil 40k plays are stopping it
>>48237385
The CAD still exists. This isn't wishful thinking on my part, it is fact. You refusing to acknowledge it is just pathetic.
If they want to make AoS popular they should make warscrolls for 40k units. They're already on the round bases. I know I'm never going to buy or play AoS but if I can use part of my army as an AoS kill team or something I'd give it a shot.
>mfw all the wailing and paranoia about 40k getting AoS'd if cross-compatibility becomes a thing
>>48237385
Once again what army do you play? Because if you don't actively play the game than you can't complain about it. And actually formations at least from the Tau can be pretty easily countered with psychic powers.
>>48237397
>Every army can do well in a CAD
Inquisition and Skiitari can't fulfill a CAD or and AD
others, like Militarum Tempestus, were pretty much designed around their detachments and don't do well without them.
>>48237415
yes, and the CAD is unable to compete with formations. because the concept of formations is fundamentally flawed, since they only exist for GW to sell whatever flavor of the month shit they want to sell.
you fail to realize this because you are a newfag and a cuck who'll just keep sucking GWs dick like a good little bitch. thats why you play age of shitmar
>>48237423
If GW was smart they would have and AoS 2nd ed be cross compatible with 40k 8th ed, while keeping them separate games, like Warmachine and Hordes
>play one game of AoS
>"yeah on the roll of a 4+ my chaos lord can summon another chaos lord who can do the same thing every turn"
>second game
>"if i summon a unit of 10 zombies in between these two units of 20 zombies they combine into a unit of 50"
Great game very balanced
>>48237454
>yes, and the CAD is unable to compete with formations
it competes perfectly well for armies with shit formations like CSM
>new exciting supplement with good formation for once
>2000 points minimum
/tg/ on a Venerable dreadnought what's the best weapon to outfit it with? I'm leaning lascannon and heavy flamer.
>>48237461
Who won each game? And what army were you rocking?
>>48237496
never go long ranged shooty with modern dreads honestly run a powerfist assault cannon its a really fun load out
a flame thrower under the fist would help you get first blood on a small infantry unit of you drop pod it
>>48237454
Yes, we acknowledge your Ad Hominem Fallacies. Please use actual logic to support your arguments now, please.
>>48237506
Each time I was demolished and I was playing high elves for the first and bretonnia for the second
>>48237527
>Ad Hominem Fallacies
you dont know what any of those words mean you fucking retard.
>>48237529
Well I'm up to hear the batreps. It would be nice to have something other than shitposting for a while. You have my interest sir.
>>48237461
>play one game of 40k
>"yeah my 40 daemons can summon 20 more daemons who can do the same thing every turn"
>second game
>"if i bring 30 marines all my tanks are free"
>>48235148
You should get some artillery like basilisks and Wyverns
>>48237461
Hey bro, we are glad to hear that you are enjoying our game! What army were you 'BallNOut' with, 'Playa'!
See, we are one of you, and totally not being paid by a 3rd party to try to drum up support for a product on this website.
>>48237532
>you fail to realize this because you are a newfag and a cuck who'll just keep sucking GWs dick like a good little bitch.
Ad Hominem Fallacy: To attack the reputation of the debater, instead of the argument.
So what's this about using allied transports and faqs?
Is it only dedicated transports they can't start in or is it all? Someone's claiming SM can take droppods as fast attack too. Can i drop pod SoBs or not?
>>48237385
Rampant imbalance is what's killing the game. Formations are just a symptom of that.
Formations and detachments are actually a really good place to include subfaction rules and synergistic abilities between units. The problem is a handful of wildly imbalanced formations and the prevalence of "take 3 of X" formations.
Allies and the lack of limitations on what they can do with each other is another big issue, although the Transport FAQ is helping to lessen that.
>>48237559
>psychic powers
>formations
>rolling a 4+
Wasn't there a sigmarine formation where they could deep strike and charge the same turn?
>>48237580
you already lost the argument when you said that CAD could compete with formations, and that formations were good for the game.
and your reputation was already nonexistent because you said the previous statements in addition to supporting age of shitmar. but go ahead and incorrectly cry about some more buzzwords, itll really make formations less broken.
>>48237586
No. You could never start in Allied Teansports in the first place. I still don't understand how people thought they could.
>>48237556
all i remember is we put some models down they ran at each other and I lost
These games took place a long time ago i cant remember the turn to turn details
>>48237586
No, faggot. Drop pods are for fucking space marines. Read the goddamn fluff. If you put sisters or guardsmen or skeeters in your stupid drop pods they come out liquified with their bones crushed into powder. The faq fixed that broken cheese drop pod rule, if you want pods you have to go centurion or skyhammer.
>>48237605
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>>48237529
>>48237527
>>48237506
>>48237616
>and many others
friends could you please not
>>48237565
Thinking about a wyvern. But I've basically gone for a lot of AP2 in my army because I'm tired of getting shitstomped by Tau battlesuits at my store and because someone has to put them in their place. Basilisk just never seemed good for me because what it can do a Russ with battlecannon can do better with AV14 as a bonus. Because range 72 is good enough in most cases.
Finished!
>>48237626
I agree. Lets talk more about something 40k related. What was everyone's most recent game?
>>48237655
let's see I guess it was in 2007.
>>48237649
Good work sir!!! Guard Executioner anon from earlier happy to see that there was at least one benefit to not sleeping.
>>48237655
I've never played.
No LGS and friends are either all poorfags, or uninterested. Except one, but he doesn't have anything yet.
>>48237660
What armies? Were orks OP back then?
>>48237673
Thank ye kindly, anon.
>>48237679
Well do you at least have an army?
>>48237591
>>48237559
b-b-but age of emperor totally isnt gonna h-happen guise!!
a-age of s-sigmar is actualy f-fun.. PLEASE STOP BEATING ME DADDY GW, ILL BUY MORE SIGMARINES PLEASE STOP JUST GIVE ME ANOTHER FORMATION DADDY JUST PLE....
>>48237683
OP in the sense that you could win with them, very different from today. Pissed off the Marinefags and Elf fags royally. I played guard against bugs.
>>48237680
What was your army?
>>48237694
You're welcome sir. And how many Russes are you thinking of having for your Guard? Or are you going more infantry focused?
>>48237196
>That just makes Eldar and Tau the undisputed masters of the game.
>makes
>>48237703
Nice fellow Guard player here sir. I salute you. Were you playing tanks or infantry focused Guard?
>>48237726
Thinking of footslogging Vets w/flamers and an Autocannon with Exterminator Russes, with more/less Russes depending on the points.
Though, I feel like starting a 30k Iron Warriors legion, might use the IG stuff as an allied detachment of Imperialis Militia to make up points when I need to.
>>48237365Its better than the shitstain that 40k is these dayshow are those balanced xenos armies treating you? :^)
>>48237527
>Ad Hominem Fallacies
This was the argument
>yes, and the CAD is unable to compete with formations. because the concept of formations is fundamentally flawed, since they only exist for GW to sell whatever flavor of the month shit they want to sell.
And this was the insult
>you fail to realize this because you are a newfag and a cuck who'll just keep sucking GWs dick like a good little bitch. thats why you play age of shitmar
Notice how they're different things? Stop using terms you don't know the meaning of you stupid fucking cuck (this wasn't an ad hominen either btw).
