Cutting It Short Edition
ePub Sub-Edition
In the last thread talk on what Iron Havocs should be was made, Anons talked about what they were working on and complained about the ePub of the new book, this template is going to be overcrowded soon, and I have to cut this short due to bad internet >>48180720
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First for the Primordial truth!
>>48197867
Mate, if you don't count Ebay, all the Start Collecting boxes have some pretty sweet savings.
Has anyone had success with the Orbital Assault right of war?
I tried it yesterday and got stomped.
>>48197974
can we get a succinct batrep?
>>48197939
>ChSM
>just fuck my shit up.jpg
Fifth for the VIII!
>>48197939
>Mate, if you don't count Ebay
yeah, sure. if you are dumb enough to buy direct from GW, they are a 'savings'.
none of them work for 30k though unless you are doing militas and cults or maybe SA.
>>48197939
>Commisar
>Tax
For Scions sure, but IG?
>>48197992
Opponent got first turn, I let him have first turn, one tactical squad fell off the table, the other tactical squad landed and took out 4 devastators, turn 2 my tacticals and drop pod got wiped, the rest of my army came on and the Fellblade and Deredeo wrecked the rest of my army.
in hindsight, my Primaris Lighting and Fire Raptor combined probably wasn't enough to do serious damage to the Fellblade even if it (the Lighting) hadn't been shot down by the Deredeo. but my opponent had the Fellblade backed up against the edge and if I tried to focus all my army into the Fellblade's tailpipe it would have simply turned around next turn and finished me off sooner.
>>48198050
Anon. I even posted my list earlier.
Here, I'll repost it since the thread was dying.
Imperialis Militia Allied Detachment:
HQ
-Force Commander, 50
+Bolt Pistol, 2
+Charnabal Sabre, 5
+Melta Bombs, 5
+Carapace Armor, 5
+Survivors of the Dark Age, 75
+Warrior Elite, 50
Total, 192
Troops
-Imperialis Militia Grenadier Squad, 65
+Lasrifles, 15
+x2Special Weapons Grenadier with Flamer, 10 (20)
+Advanced Weapons, 20
Total, 120
Heavy Support
-Militia Leman Russ Exterminator, 140
+Hull Lascannon, 10
+Heavy Bolter Sponsons, 20
Total, 170
Complete Total, 482
>>48198052
Mostly because the Commissar can't be a compulsory HQ, and the HQ slot is better served by Command Tanks/Pask, and Psykers/Priests/Lord Commissars, as well as the fact that unlike the Scions Codex, Lord Commissars are a different unit rather than an upgrade to a Commissar.
>>48198108
Try podding dreads.
So, GW has put up the BaC stuff for their Ludicrous prices! Kek.
Seems like I'm going to keep purchasing FW instead of GW for my HH stuff then.
Going to take a break from my Imperial Guard for now, get back to reading Angel Exterminatus.
What's everyone else doing?Where is everybody?
>>48199071
>wanting these squatting posed marines over forgeworld anyway
>>48199071
All Prices in USD
BAC 150
Tacticals 50x3
Termies 65
Dread 60
Characters 50
325 for everything w/o the board game.
So why is it so expensive. The only difference is the packaging!
So Tac x3 + Term + Dread + Chars + Packaging x2 (Bigger Box) = 150
and
Tac + Pack = 50
Termies + Pack = 65
Dread + Pack = 60
Chars + Pack = 50
Doing some math we get:
Packaging is 43.75
Tacs are 6.25
Termies are 21.25
Dread is 16.25
Chars are 6.25
They really need to reduce the cost of packaging. That shit will put them under one day.
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>>48199583
>wanting FWs skinny leg marines
>>48199624
What the zog are those last things?
>>48199910
Things which should show that despite using sound math, my results should not be taken seriously.
I found them in a twitch chat and I think they originated from /b/.
>>48199583
>FW MkIV marine on his day off
>>48198140
200 points on a HQ unit when your total list is only 500 points is very excessive. Try and cheapen your HQ.
>>48199910
Fish staring at hooks. Seems to imply bait.
>>48200083
Eh, about 150 of those points are from the two provenances, which increases everyone's leadership and armor save by 1.
So everyone has a 3+ and Ld. 8 min. And the Grenadiers lasrifles have +1 Strength from the provenance as well.
>>48200146
>150
I mean 125
>>48200146
For 500pts. you can get 40 Marines with overall better stats. Militia provenances really are useful only in larger detachments where the price equals out among the units.
If you want lasrifle dudes, maybe look into SA.
>>48200234
True enough, this was more just meant as something from my box that I had, should probably cheapen it like you said.
Why are the wall niggers so damn superior?
>>48200256
With SA, for 500pts., you can have two 20 strong rifle sections with blast-charges and melta-bomb sergeants, and a tank commander in a vanquisher with a hull lascannon.
>>48200146
What are these provinces? Do the militia have a build an hq style list of options???
>>48200637
If you take a Force Commander, you can take up to two Provenances. They're a bit like Rites of War, giving most of your army (all units with the provenance rule) various bonuses.
For example Warrior Elite gives +1 leadership. Survivors of the Dark Age gives +1 armour save (up to 3+), Grenadiers become mandatory Troops, they can buy an upgrade to make their lasweapons and rotor cannons S4 and the army can buy Rhinos and Proteus Land Raiders. There's like 2-3 pages of them, ranging from traitor only corruption ones to cybernetic implants (become friendly with Mechanicum armies), abhumans, etc.
Should I aim for this list or just run it as a PotL list? Im not sure.
HH Imperial Fists 1750pts
>HQ
Delegatus [Armored Breakthrough RoW]
>Elites
3x Vet Squad [10vets, 2x Missile Launcher, Sniper]+Rhino
Vet Squad [10vets, 2x Heavy Bolter, Sniper]+Rhino
>Troops
Predator w/ Autocannon
Predator w/ Autocannon
Predator w/ Autocannon
Support Squad[5x Meltaguns]+Rhino (Delegatus goes here)
>>48200637
Yes. Sort of like Legion Praetors, except their rites of war are provenances which cost points, but benefit your army.
Survivors of the Dark Age is 75 points and improves your whole army's armor saves by +1 to a max of 3+. It also has the extra option of upgrading your Grenadier Squads and Company Command Squads lasweapons and rotor cannons Strength by 1 for 20 points per squad, though it must be taken by all squads in the army.
>>48200729
I'm my experience using vet squads as the backbone of your arrmy is a waste of points, I've had much better results running Tact's with a squad or two of vets to fill in specialized roles that the rest of my list hasn't met.
>>48200805
Second, they die to fast to juctify all the points sank into them.
>>48200411
Because they look so damn superior standing on top of their walls.
>>48200729
what's the logic behind not giving the predators any sponson guns? not saying it's a bad idea, just don't know anything about predators.
In an Iron Warriors Pride list, what should you equip Veteran Tacticals with?
>>48200999
Keeping them cheap, 75pts for a 4 shot autocannon and AV13 front is good enough for me and because I dont have the bits.
>>48201016
Run them as a 9 man squad with blooded gauntlets and give them shovels
>>48201044
I'm thinking a ten man squad with two Heavy Bolters and Artificer armor for the Sergeant. Would that be any good?
>>48201099
Always need to be 9 men strong
>>48201130
Why 9?
>>48199583
60% of the legs are good in BaC
Which Traitor Primarch and which Loyalist Primarch and their respective legion do you think could've been Loyalist/Traitor, and why?
>>48201044
>>48201099
>>48201130
>>48201160
I'd rate that squad a 9/10 would decimate
>>48201222
Oh. I get it now.
I feel stupid now.
Anyways, how should I kit out Iron Havocs? Vanilla with their Heavy Bolter, Free Autocannons, or 15 point Lascannons?
>>48201262
Depends on what you need. Autocannons are subpar though. Lascannons are pretty good at what they do. If you need more anti vech go with them, otherwise stick with HB.
>>48200714
>>48200745
That's interesting, I'll have to take a look and see what kind of cool thematic armies I could come up with.
>>48201332
Hmm... That's a tough choice. Heavy Bolters seem pretty nice, but Lascannons can pierce through 2+, and have good damage against vehicles as well.
Hmmm... And looking at FW's website, seeing as how I'd end up with leftover HBolters and regular Bolters from mixing them into my Vet squads, I think I'll just keep them with bolters and go with Lascannon Havocs. BS5 Lascannons seems pretty nice for removing things.
>>48201516
Well, that settles that!
What's a good and fluffy Praetor loadout for the IW?
>>48202156
Warsmith+Combi-Melta+Paragon Blade/Hammer
I need leaks
The last few weeks have been so fucking dry on the heresy front
So Horus Heresy General, what are some of the most exciting armies you've come up against?
My granpa died and left me $400
What should I buy and paint in his honor
>>48202357
Dreadnoughts. Emperor knows I wish I could have encased my Grandad in a Contemptor chassis. It would make painting houses easier too. Bless that man.
So, /hhg/ which legion has your favorite color scheme that isn't one you play?
For me, it's Sons of Horus.
>>48202404
Alpha legion
Ive gotten the tamiya clear metallic scheme down, so im debating whether i want to start them or not, but their units and rules are kind of boring
>>48202412
Aye mate, I'm in love with the SoH color scheme and upgrade set, but I don't care for their rules or characters outside of the Warmaster himself, who is also my favorite model.
>>48202404
Maybe Emperor's Children or Sons of Horus
>>48202404
night lords
thats why i have like 1500 points worth of extra shit sitting around for when i start them
How's this for a fluffy list? This is just from my theoretical shopping cart, unsure if I'll actually buy any of these yet, going to wait and see what's in the rumoured box in the fall.
>>48202672
And forgot the list like an idiot.
Iron Warriors Pride of the Legion.
HQ
-Legion Praetor, 100
+Archaeotech Pistol, 20
+Paragon Blade, 25
Total, 145
Elites
-Iron Havoc Heavy Support Squad, 185
+5 Lascannons, 75
+Sergeant Artificer Armor, 10
Total, 270
Troops
-x2Veteran Tactical Squad, 125 (250)
+5 extra Veteran Tacticals, 75 (150)
+Sergeant Artificer Armour, 10 (20)
+Two Heavy Bolters w/Suspensor Web and Shrapnel Bolts, 40 (80)
+Veteran Tactics, Sniper.
Total, 250 (500)
Total Points, 915
Are headhunter kill teams better than regular seeker squads?
Are we expecting any major changes with the new book?
>>48202404
World Eaters or Salamanders.
>>48201194
>Traitor Loyalist
Missing Primarchs
>Loyalist Traitor
Aleph Null, Magnus
>>48202693
I wish archeotech pistols were AP2. I like that list its cute, a good leaping off point.
>>48202704
We anticipate discounts on breachers and assault marines. Also legion armies will be able to take imperial guard super heavies in their armies as sort of auxillary super heavies, and we're getting a new jetbike squadron that is assumably an analogue to the attack bike squadrons of normal bikes.
>>48202849
new book as in red book or inferno?
>>48202955
New red book
>>48202704
The Malcador is now a Heavy Support, which pleases me greatly.
>>48202830
Thanks, anon! To be honest, I can't really see myself using any other RoW other than Pride of the Legion. I find it too useful, as Veteran Tacticals being able to take 1-2 HBolters as well as all their other rules seem great for IW. Of course, once I build up enough units, I'll probably try out Tac spam and drown my friends in bodies.
>>48202353
Played against a buddy who frequents here. He plays IF and normally runs breacher blobs which he can use alright, haven't played against anyone who actually uses them as a main stead. I play IH so they aren't to big of a problem for me, medusas for the win. Last game he fielded outriders, again a unit I don't see used to often, and wrecked faced with them. Were both pushing 3k armies but usually play around 1.5-2k so we can try different loadouts and what not. Flexibility of the list and reasonable balance are the reason why I got into 30k, almost every game is different and fun.
If I were to build a Dark Angels 30k army, would it be in poor taste to also use them as my 40k CSM army? I mean would most people would get that they're Fallen?
>>48203547
People usually come to 30k to get away from the Chaos Space Marines book
>>48203547
Why would you play them as CSM though?
Why not just use the Dark Angels book and play them as Consecrators, one of their successor chapters with a crap ton of relics, no Mk.VII or VIII and the same color scheme as they have in 30k?
>>48203603
Would people object to play against 30k marines counting as 40k Codex marines? As in, a regular space marine army but with lots of ancient armour.
Those Red Scorpions and Minotaurs pet chapters have lots of ye olde armour, and there were so many UMs that at least 1000 suits mays exist:
0.004% of the UM's stocks of an armour already being phased out still fills a full 40k chapter.
Unless phased out armour (which isn't the same as"utterly broken") gets returned to the foundry to be smelteto,ID IDK, supply Perturabo's 30k metal minis or something.
>>48202404
Sons of Horus, I really like the Turquoise and Black colour scheme.
>>48203706
>Would people object to play against 30k marines counting as 40k Codex marines?
Shouldn't. As long as the models match up (marine is a marine, terminator is a terminator, lascannon is a lascannon) any reasonable person would be 100% fine with it.
>>48203706
They are power-armored dudes with bolters. I've used my night lords in 40k games as space marines and no one seems to mind.
>>48203603
Because of the Fallen. I figured most people might not care if I still used them as Dark Angels in both games, but in particular I was concerned about whether or not someone might say it's not fun to use them as an entirely different faction. Seems sort of like a dumb question in retrospect.
Hmm...
I'm debating between the Lascannons and HBolters.
On one hand, I can give the HBolters to my Vets, and the Iron Havocs for some nice accuracy and suppression thanks to Shrapnel rounds. Don't know how good it would do against vehicles of any kind though, even if the Havocs have Tank Hunters.Really I don't know, I'm new, please help.
On the other hand, Lascannons pack a nice punch, and since the Havocs are BS5 they'll be hitting pretty often as well, and I know for sure they'll hurt quite a bit of things, though they do lack Pinning and the sheer volume of fire the Heavy Bolters can bring.
>>48204156
hbolters a shit but fwiw you don't need 10 lascannons to kill something most of the time, you could just bring 50/50 and do both
is it optimal? no
but it gives you some ablative wounds for your lascannons and the option to blat hordes with your hbolters
>>48204156
havocs want missile launchers most of the time, leave the heavy bolters on vehicle pintle mounts/sponsons if you take them at all
>>48204194
While true, I do like how HBolters look, and would prefer to homogenize the weapons in a unit, as to make it simpler for myself. That, and I like how both look.
>>48204203
Eh, I'd rather choose between HBolters or Lascannons, don't really care about Missile Launchers myself.
>>48199583
Do you want some toilet paper with that shitpost sir?
>>48204256
in that case, take the lascannons, with the heavy bolters you waste the strong points of the havocs, namely the negatives to cover saves and tank hunters
>>48201044
>give them shovels
IG has some nice shovels, I bought some for my upcoming IW. I might use them as close combat weapons instead of knives, because the image of an IW hitting someone with a shovel is hilarious.
>>48204349
Give it a power weapon aura and were good buddy
>>48204332
Good point. I do like how they look as well.
Hoping Duncan does an IW painting video, not sure what paints I'd need for them.
>>48204349
I actually have a spare shovel from my HWT.
Probably just going to glue to to the hull or turret of my Leman Russ.
Now I'm just imagining if the Legions could use LRs, and the Thousand Suns raging at one of their tanks being named after the guy who sent his army after them.
>>48201262
They have Tank Hunters, so don't go for Heavy Bolters, you should have plenty else in your list for infantry killing. Give them missile launchers or autocannons, missiles are really versatile tho. Give em Flak missiles if you have the points.
>>48204349
*has mental image of marine hitting some xeno scum in the face with a shovel*
Yes, that'll work quite nicely indeed.
>>48202849
>We anticipate discounts on breachers and assault marines.
Mfw when it doesn't happen.
>>48204388
If they get a discount I'll accelerate my plans for my BA hoplite breachers.
>>48204372
I think I'm going to go with Lascannons. I like how they look, and they're strong as well, which is nice. I just don't really like how Missile Launchers look, really. I'll probably make some HBolter teams later on to see how they perform and to mix them in to my Vet squads.
>>48202849
Isn't it odd that the new box is rumoured to have MkIII Breachers and Assaults? Either way, that would be great for me, as I love MkIII armor, and if their prices are reduced I'll probably field them instead of Tacticals for when I'm not doing Pride lists.
>>48198012
Eh, the Ork one should be almost as bad. Boyz and Deff Dread should be tax at the highest, with the Painboy at good.
>>48204349
Aren't powershovels canon, I thought they had their own rules too.
>>48204430
Would love to field them in a Day of Sorrow list. I think it would fit the narrative of that Rite of Blood Angels holding the line.
>>48204430
>I just don't really like how Missile Launchers look, really
I see, I just hope you don't face flyers then.
>>48204486
Pretty sure that's just Angry Marines stuff.
>>48204490
That sounds pretty cool, even though I don't know what it does.
Also, does anyone know what book the Ironfire RoW is in? Or will it be in the new redbook? And what are some good artillery units for Iron Warriors?
>>48204462
I wish I had a competent Ork player in my group...
>>48204486
What, I doubt it.
Legion Centurion (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon]
··Consul [Vigilator]
Strike Captain Alvarex Maun (145pts) [Cameleoline]
··Master of the Legion [Recon Company]
Legion Reconnaissance Squad (160pts) [Cameleoline, 4x Legion Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
Legion Reconnaissance Squad (160pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 4x Legion Space Marines]
Legion Reconnaissance Squad (160pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 4x Legion Space Marines]
Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (140pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Shatter Shell]
Legion Terminator Squad (245pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Chainfist, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators]
··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Raven's Talons]
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (210pts) [5x Combi-weapon, 5x Mor Deythan]
··Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade]
Mor Deythan Strike Squad (210pts) [5x Combi-weapon, 5x Mor Deythan]
··Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade]
Dark Fury Assault Squad (265pts) [8x Dark Fury]
Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (250pts) [Two Twin-linked Lascannons]
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter (210pts) [Battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Two Kraken penetrator heavy missiles]
Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery]
Criticize my kinda fluffy 2500pts RG list /tg/. If my opponent think that one reco squad is enough I swap 2 of them for taxicals.
>>48204518
Ironfire is in book VI, and medusas and quad mortars.
>>48204578
Alright, thanks anon!
Now to just find a non-Mega pdf of book VI, since I'm on mobile.
Man, the Quad Mortar is the only Rapier Quad X that doesn't have MkIII Marines. That annoys me.
>>48204601
Have some charity, anon.
>>48204601
Wait, the Medusa also has MkIV crew.
Hmm... I could make it so that my vehicle crew are MkIV and my meat to the grinder are MkIII. Perfect!
>>48204616
Thank you, anon!
Would that RoW make Nuncio Voxes useless, or would they be even more helpful there?
>>48199583
>squatting
Damn, now I want to build an army of Slav marines. Does anyone have that map showing the home countries of the Legions' terran gene stock? I need to know which Legion is the most likely to squat.
>>48204691
World Eaters, I believe. Khârn himself is Russian. Though, I'm going by memory, I don't have it on me, I'm afraid.
>>48204641
Even more helpful, on account of the fact that your templates will only scatter on the roll of a 5 or a 6 for scatter which is hilariously good
>>48204711
Awesome. I think I'll need to come up with a new theoretical shopping cart and see if I do good.
Also, how do Phosphex weapons work and are they good? Because I know if you bring a Siege Breaker you can give them to your artillery.
>>48204691
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-30
Interestingly, the Russians use a gas driven rotary cannon. More mechanically complex than one driven by a motor, but more responsive.
>>48204737
they work very very well, but i opt not to use it cuz of how hard it is to play with since the markers remain in play. even if the shells on the quads are at s4 ap3 they are still poison and have the crawling fire, so shit dies fast due to the number of wounds you can inflict.
![2016-05-13+23.51.52[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PZcIRlH.jpg "2016-05-13+23.51.52[1].jpg")
>>48204691
unfortunately it's a limited image with only a few legions, but it looks like the Sons of Horus are at least in part Ukranian.
>>48204707
Kharn isn't Terran. In Betrayer he had an aside where the mountains on Nuceria made him think about the world the War Hounds recruited him from and smile.
>>48204769
>Iron Hands
>Texas
Well, I wasn't expecting that.
>>48204768
Ah, I see. So stick to regular artillery then, got it. Could probably make the Praetor into a Warsmith to give him a Servo-Arm and Battlesmith and keep him near the artillery in case of repairs as well.
>>48204786
Really? Huh, I thought he was Terran. I thought there was a character who was Terran?
How much do people care about Rhino- chasses vehicles being the correct mark?
I've got six Black Legion Rhinos that I plan on repainting to XVth Legion.
>>48204814
Maybe you're thinking of Garro of the Death Guard, he was terran.
>>48204840
The plastic one is perfectly fine to use, don't worry. It was even in one of the FW legion books, in Iron Warrior colours IIRC.
>>48204843
You're probably right.
>>48204840
Don't those ones have Chaos-y bits all over them though?
>>48204769
What's the source on this? Sek Amrak sounds more like South America. And Albia definitely only refers to Albion (England), not Albania.
That autistic image is triggering my autism.
>>48204814
oh but you don't have to see ;) you can take phosphex in ADDITION to other types of ammo. the shatter shell is also very nice: s8 ap 4 sunder. but the range is only 36" and it is direct fire. NEVER take phosphex on your medusa
>>48204814
Regular arty is fine in most cases, but when you really want to remove loyalist scum, phosphex quad launchers are the final solution, so better stock up on 3" templates. Phosphex Medusas kinda suck though, always better off with the vanilla shells there
Warmth is a fucking trap, and never worth it unless you're taking kyr vhalen
>>48204860
Sud Merica and Nord Merica are the Americas in 30k speak, apparently.
>>48204869
>>48204879
Alrigt, got it. I'll be posting a list later as I'm probably going to be going to sleep soon.
>>48204860
According to Lexicanum, at least, old Terra had both "Albia" and "Albyon" regions. Given the descriptions, it's hard to tell whether they're the same place or not. The writers don't appear to have been all on the same page.
>>48204860
No idea on the original source, simply googled this one, found it on multiple 40k/30k blogs.
>>48204879
>Warmth is a fucking trap, and never worth it unless you're taking kyr vhalen
It's fluffy thought.
>>48204859
Mine don't, just more ornate trim around the vision slits. I will have to buy non-Chaos hatches off eBay, but that's a hell of a lot cheaper than half a dozen FW Rhinos.
>>48204840
General consensus among non-spergs seems to be that they're acceptable to use, but they kind of go against the notion that 30k is "40k but way earlier when everything looked different".
No reasonable person would decline a match because of it, but most people would be mildly disappointed that the match doesn't look quite as cool as it could have.
>>48200805
finally! someone who dislikes POTL spam that literarily everyone around here seems to spam.
>>48204486
No but militarized weed whackers are, only war has rules for a chainflail. Even the rulebook mentions how this weapon is dumb as hell.
>A chainflail is truly a weapon for one whose faith in the emperor is unbreakable and unquestioning
>the chainflail reminds all who see it that its wielder's faith is untainted by death
>If you fail too badly you resolve the attack as though you attacked yourself with the weapon
>>48204912
Hmmm...
Would one Medusa or two Quad Mortars be better in a lower points army? Asking because I'm making a list off of my theoretical shopping cart.I should be sleeping.
>>48205111
Eh, I like PotL as it can get me a 1k point army without spending too much, as well as me just liking it.
>>48202695
at melee sure, but they are worse at shooting.
>>48204860
The main reason I would assume Sek Amrak is America is because it mentions the Auto Plateau which I assume would be a nod towards the US rust belt where there at least used to be auto factories.
>>48205152
Really, one Medusa or two Quad Mortars in any points army is the real question. Eh, I think I'll just buy a bunch of tacs and run them as vets until I can save up and buy a few Medusas and Quads.
>>48205186
Not him, but are Basilisks worth anything rules-wise, or should I just use it as a count-as Medusa?
>>48204859
Only hatches, additional chaos decorations come on a separate sprue.
I've been doing some trial and error on making the Crusade Imperialis red book into a PDF.
Every conversion takes ~8 hours, and the first two were unintelligible garbage. This is the third attempt and it's actually readable, albeit with a wonky page size.
I have another conversion running in the background right now with some variables changed, I'll get back to you if I ever get a good result.
Let me know if there are any errors beside the page size.
https://www.mediafire.com/?b88648y9676v5rc
>>48205353
The only thing Basilisks are better at is range, Medusas are better at everything else.
>>48204769
>imbluing this picture has any right to be seen as truth.
>>48204486
They're cannon, I don't remembered what HH book they were in though.
>>48204786
Nuceria had gray sky like Terra if I'm not mistaken
>>48205407
Thanks based anon.
>>48205838
Holy fucking shit, I need to find that shit.
>>48206022
It wasn't used in combat, just some IW captains chatting it up in a trench and they talked about this dudes power shovel. Literally just a quib about the coolest weapon since power feet.
>>48204786
He is though.
>>48204914
Alba albia and Albion have all been used for Britain by various Warhammer authors
Unfortunately some racist euros tried to make into albania for whatever reason and the meme spread and became cited as a source
is /hhg/ the comfiest general on /tg/?
>>48207313
We try our best.
Which legion would have the highest amount of veterans? Is this a question that can't really be answered?
>>48205139
Well shit, I really need to play Only War now
>>48207466
Night Lords
>no bad blood between nostramans and terrans
>no internal purges
>pick their fights carefully
>>48205139
Have you seen Black Crusade's Chain-hammer?
>>48207466
Depends
I'd say thousand sons as a proportion as they were effectively sidelined around the time of the flesh change and finding Magnus so they avoided some losses
And then they came back as super sorcerers so had fewer losses though they never replaced their 10th company
Then again dark Angels have veterans from before the unification wars - astelan though it's weird how he became so chaos despite having the emperor seal on his mind
>>48207517
>running away from fair fights produces the most veterans
>>48207517
>no internal purges
They do that themselves. Bloody Bones and that one termie in Book 2 mentioned that his wounds weren't from loyalists.
>>48205407
>inb4 "there's nothing wrong with the file, stop using inferior PDF and come over to the e-reader master race"
Apart from the page size, I haven't come across anything wrong with it so far. I wonder what's the matter that it takes so long for it to process.
>>48207466
An argument could be made for Iron Hands, Salamanders, and Raven Guard, if one assumes only the marines good enough to be considered veterans made it off Isstvan.
>>48207527
>astelan though it's weird how he became so chaos despite having the emperor seal on his mind
Because he's a whiny jobber.
>>48207567
The Isstvaan RoW for shattered legions makes you take more veterans than tacticals, so you're probably right
>>48207584
Oh and it makes vets troops, forgot to mention
>>48204786
kharn is terran.
BL isnt canon.
>>48207567
they'd have the highest *percent* of veterans, but I'd go to the Dark Angels or Ultramarines for most actual number of veterans.
>>48207637
Whoops, my bad. I'll try actually reading the question in future...
>>48204860
>Gun tribes
>Auto Plateau
Its america
>>48204786
IIRC, Khârn is indeed terran, but he is remembering the mountains of Bodt, not of Nuceria (on "After De'shea").
EVERY WE knows Bodt, for that's a training world.
Autek then rammed with the tactical assault moon
>>48208280
To be fair, "Gun tribes" could be a title applied to any number of armed groups in south america and central america, and the Auto Plateau could refer to any number of large flat lands in central and south america
But I agree, to me the Terran Iron Warriors are from the Confederate States crossed with the Bullet Farm
>>48208418
>Auto Plateau
>Confederate States
Wouldn't the Iron Warriors be from Detroit? Or, alternately, one of the various places in South America with a thriving vintage car subculture?
>>48208418
>Razor cola
Sounds like something the IVth would drink to me.
>>48208499
Idkw I always thought the Auto Plateau stood for "Fully Automatic Plateau". Because gun tribes.
Turns out the star marines are the lone-star marines.
>>48207313
>>48208748
I think it's neat they included a couple of war hounds transfers on that.
>>48205938
In Lord of the Red Sands, it is "clear blue sky".
>>48208679
Auto plateau to me could mean one of two things, either a) they are autonomous from something, like another government/country or b) the local culture is all about cars, or requires cars, or run around on mobile suburbs to survive in a wasteland alla Medusa
So, the Gun Tribes of the Auto Plateau could be a bunch of warrior techno barbarians that favor the use of cars or armoured vehicles as their means of making war in a vast and desolate environment
That, and angry Texan Iron Warriors with the Lone Star emblazoned on their chest charging into battle while the rebel yell screams through their vox grills is awesome
I still say the Gun Tribes are the Not!Gun Runners.
how many tanks should a 3k matrix of ruin list have?
>>48209046
>angry Texan Iron Warriors with the Lone Star emblazoned on their chest charging into battle while the rebel yell screams through their vox grills is awesome
The Autonomous, automobilistic, fully-automatic gun tribes Lone Star marines.
Old Terra was a planet-wide Mad Max it seems.
>>48209252
All of them
>>48209046
Where did you learn the significance of the star icon?
Alright /hhg/, I come seeking advice. How did everyone pick their legion? I am thinking of dipping my toe into 30k but I am having a hard time finding a legion.
>>48209693
There are as many ways as finding a legion as the are people who found one.
>>48209693
theres only one way to pick your legion...
>>48209815
Uni already got dubs, this is over before it even began.
>>48209693
Know yourself, and pick fluff over crunch.
>>48209693
For the 3-4 on my mental shortlist (TS, IW, BA, RG) I just knew. Those were the chapters/legions I'd always liked for the whole time I'd been into GW games. I narrowed it down from there by reading Black Library - A Thousand Sons really clicked with me, made me think "yeah, these are my dudes", while other books didn't quite do that (although the IW are pretty damn cool in Angel Exterminatus, so they're in 2nd). Anecdotally, I've also heard of people who picked their legions because of First Heretic, Betrayer and Scars.
So, I'd say read some BL, and see who really clicks for you.
>>48209693
Its simply, you find the Legion which best reflects yourself
I'm a Death Guard player and I can't even remember the last time I washed my cloths
>>48209693
Ultimately what I think you should consider is
>Aesthetics (Their colour scheme, what their special units look like, and which armour mks (and terminator models) best match their ideals and aesthetics)
>Character (How the legion as a whole acts)
>Playstyle (How they should be used in game terms as well as any hard limits placed on them (eg. Salamanders can't use destroyers))
>Characters (The named members of the legion including the primarch)
>Army Fluff (What you want the exact fluff of your army to be)
What order you place these values in is up to you. If you hate how an army plays but absolutely love the appearance and character of the legion than you might be happier building Salamanders even if you prefer a more mobile army.
Also don't forget that Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia, and Mechanicum are all factions you can play too, all of which have their own builds that can be interesting. Solar Auxilia can field tons of pseudo WS 4 BS 4 troops with volkite chargers alongside BS 5 tanks with volkite demi-culverins with hull and pintle multilasers. Imperial Militia have one of the cheapest per model units in the entire game (including 40k) and have the option to field +1 S/T Ogryn among other interesting option. Mechanicum has robots, knights, cool tanks, extremely customizable land raiders, jetpack ogryn, and entire units of T 5, BS 5, 2 wound relentless models each carrying a heavy weapon with preferred enemy (everything).
My favourite concept in the entirety of 30k might be the tower of fuck.
>10 myrmidon destructors
>give them all conversion beamers
>Put them in the tallest building you can or buy fortifications with a tower to shove them all in
>Blow up everything with 10 str 10 small blasts with rerolls to hit and wound
>Laugh as you blow up a primarch's 500+ point honour guard the turn they show up
>>48209896
You think that makes you Death Guard?
You also have to eat greasy spicy (mexican food) all day, and find the most difficult, most dangerous terrain out there and cross it, and then wade your way around your local venomous critters.
>>48210040
I once made the mistake of working a 12 hour shift with cloths on underneath a rain suit, I sweat so much that once I got out of it and dried the pants I had on underneath you could stand them up
I never washed that pair of pants, and wear them to this day
I also took a shit once that smelled so bad I threw up
>>48210121
Either the geneseed is taking effect or papa Nurgle has you on his sights
>new cataphract terminators are $65 burger bucks
>Z sells them for 10
Truly how can any of you GW/FWfags compare?
>>48209693
>How did everyone pick their legion?
By following your heart.
>>48209693
>>48209989
Primarch can also be a deal breaker really.
I can't find Sunder in my 7e brb. It should be under Supersonic, shouldn't it?
Also, for the Ironfire RoW, it seems like Quad Mortars with frag shells would be pretty good, wouldn't they? Since they have Barrage and a 60" range, plus Nuncio voxes would mean they wouldn't scatter, right? Still unsure whether Medusas or Quad Mortars are more important.
>>48210874
Sunder is on the HH book, its a rule made by FW for 30k.
>>48210901
Oh, thanks mate!
>>48210874
Go phosphex
>>48210901
>>48210952
Er, I don't see it in my LACAL. Is it in another book?
>>48211004
I got this from the auxillia red book
>>48209693
I picked a faction that can relate to regular humans.
sphees muhreens feel to foreign to me in their interactions with regular people.
>>48211047
Thanks mate!
Also, I don't see any wargear options for the Quad Mortar on it's page? I assume that was FAQ'd? Also assuming Frag Rounds are default.
>>48210867
Which is why I mentioned characters (as opposed to character) of the legion as being a potentially important factors. Game wise however all of the primarchs are somewhat good, sure Angron lacks the survivability of other primarchs but he is easily the most offensively capable primarchs against regular mooks and can ensure that a unit has all its characters killed off by issuing multiple challenges.
>>48211114
The new quad mortar profile is in bookVI
>>48211167
Oh, I see.
Does anyone have a pdf of book VI that I could use on mobile, or should I just wait for the next red book?
>>48211118
IIRC Angron can beat anyone on the charge except Horus.
>>48211188
If you download the google drive app onto your phone and upload the PDF into your drive on your computer you can access it via the app on your phone
>drink beer
>listen to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDa7yZeci8
>feel like starting Space Wolves once they come out
Why
But anon, THIS is their great crusade song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FnL5T6csos
>>48211188
Take this freebie and go get it on your phone
>>48211196
nah he loses to a lot of primarchs in challenges
>>48211298
>>48211349
You're both wrong. THIS is the Space Wolf's crusade theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGfgf-AmXfw
>>48211349
Yes but Sabaton is my guilty pleasure. Also I like their cover more. Nile is more my kind of death metal. Also Death and Autopsy. And Deicide.
>>48211365
Thank ye kindly, anon!
>>48211349
>>48211387
>swedecuck metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmv02oCzX1w
this is their real theme
>>48211387
>tfw I was there
>>48211411
that's pretty trash m8
>>48211413
And this was last week to be clear.
>>48211429
>says the faggot posting amon 'i cant even play guitar' amarth
my sides
>>48210694
>mfw they used to be 8$
>>48211446
>name band based on Tolkien
>songs are not about Tolkien stuff
>>48211377
On the charge and with maybe an extra attack or two from the nails he can beat most
>>48211467
>mfw the swedecuck 'viking' band cant even play guitar so they have bring in fucking roope from finland to play all their solos in their albums and they cant even play the songs live
more like mongolian metal
>>48211510
>they cant even play the songs live
This. Just listen to this travesty of a guitar solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQcacLFBXA
>Mixing Warhammer with heavy metal
Fucking Slaanesh, try some Emperor-approved music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDKezDLGTM
>>48211535
kek they cant even play the riff
>>48210694
I'm considering buying 6 sets just to make the genuinefags salty :^)
>>48210694
Plastic is better for transporting minis around. I got mine for twenty or so because lolBaC.
>>48211080
>Ad Mech
>relating to normal humans
Pick one.
>Banestrike ammunition is always AP3
There, i fixed alpha legion
>>48211668
Z's B@C models are plasti
>>48211706
would be too strong
should just be rending on a 5+
>>48211706
Alpha legion dont need fixing.
>>48211795
>Most interesting legion has the most vanilla and boring special units
Id say they do
>>48211820
>Most flexible legion is most flexible
ftfy
>>48211820
>My favourite legion is too vanilla
>So instead of making them unique lets just make them better
Help me decide my next legion
http://www.strawpoll.me/10715489
>>48211674
You can relate to enginseers, but to true Magi only doctors (phds) and scientists could relate.
Then again, those guys aren't normal people either (but they're fun though)
>>48211859
I would have liked to see a bigger focus on the espionage and sabotage theme
Maybe have the ability to poison an enemy character so he starts the game with 1 less wound
Or a units guns so they have Gets Hot
Or make a unit have to take dangerous terrain tests for a turn since you stole their battleplans and planted mines in their path
Any sets that come with a lot of various hands for Space Marines? I need some to make crew for my Basilisk.
I might be able to green stuff something but I'd rather go for something that looks better.
>>48211926
Just take Dynat and 2 Saboteurs, pick a tank and blow it the fuck up. There's your sabotage.
>>48211910
Nah, Admech is less human than most aliens from other scifi settings.
>Almost entirely machine
>No regard for humans except as machines to run their factories and war machines
>The higher your rank the less human you are both in psychology and body (myrmidon destructors are effectively sentient walking tanks in both psychology and physiology)
Romulans and Asari never turned member of their own species into super heavy shock troopers by removing chunks of their brains and covering them in cybernetics, nor do they view the idea of throwing away tanks in battle as being worse than throwing away fleshy soldiers.
>>48211080
Nah man. Iron Warriors relate to most everyone on this board.
>Autists
>Never get to do what they want
>build models as a little side project
>Play 30k with their bros when they can.
>>48212068
Nigga, I'm studying to be an aeronautica enginseer, and let me tell you I agree with all your greentext and would do it if the tech was available.
In all those movies of destruction I feel more sorry for all those destroyed airplanes and helicopters than for the unnamed pilots and their families.
>Poor airplane with the faulty engine, I'll make the pain go away
>>48212116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqkmPI2JlM
IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT
>>48209693
IF because they are simply best at most stuff.
>>48212178
Al, you really are a tech priest.
>>48212506
Thanks man.
>>48211706
AL don't need fixing, they need intelligent players.
>>48211744
How is that even possible? Don't you need a giant injection mold machine to recast stuff into plastic?
>>48212950
Pretty sure Z is one of the guys who casts GW's stuff and just does this on the side
>>48211901
World Eaters, that way you can play Skalathrax Burns mission from Khárn's Butcherhorde with your friends and etc...
>>48213248
GW doesnt cast in China, they do it in house. They might've tried doing it in China and then decided to keep it in house.
>>48212116
>build models as a little side project
Which legion would make/paint the best miniatures?
I wish Rotor Cannons were a lot stronger. They're so cool looking, but I can't think of any reason to take them.
>>48213421
That makes two of us
>>48213373
They went back to china for some basing kits that came out 2-3 weeks back. The general quality of them was shit, there were quite a few people posting pics of the things complaining.
>>48213396
The Iron Warriors.
No, really it's actually canon.
