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Escalate
Target player discards all cards in his or her hand, then draws that many cards.
United Resistance deals 4 damage to target creature.
United Resistance deals 3 damage to target opponent.
>>48106243
Neater
> Escalate 1 Mana
> Target player discards all cards in his hand, then draws that many cards
> United Resistance deals four damage to target creature.
> United Resistance deals three damage to target opponent.
>>48106256
this card is actually pretty sweet
idgaf about the spider, although it would be pretty good in limited
>>48106264
git rekt fagit
Hi I'm fucking Mark Rosewater
We care about our limited enviornment a lot when it comes to prerelease experience, and we want to make sure everyone is having a good time.
So enjoy the fucking mythics we shit out on a daily basis like >>48106243, which could easily be a common and nobody would know the difference outside the addition of a few keywords.
Holy fuck kill me if this is literally what Maro said we "wanted" I'm gonna shoot a man with four of >>48106256 mainboarded.
>>48106243
I like this, but as a Legendary? At Mythic? That's absurd. It should be a non-legendary rare.
>>48106243
excuse me more relevant in limited spider coming through
>>48106287
>which could easily be a common
No it couldn't. I mean, it isn't mythic worthy, but there is no need to exaggerate.
>>48106287
>Hi I'm fucking Mark Rosewater
Right now?
>>48106308
If it wasn't legendary, I could see it being one of those overcosted bulk uncommons.
>>48106243
if the delirium ability scaled at all, like if it were a spider spawning, it might have been good.
>>48106308
Considering the somewhat overcosted ability that relies on something that could be so easily be negated through non-blue means I can easily say without a doubt this is a fringe common card, if not uncommon.
Nothing about this design feels "mythic" or even rare. It just feels like something they slapped a mythic tag on to add reach and a legendary tag to give it a namesake that holds some lore relevance.
>>48106243
m-mom? where's dad?
>>48106316
I can agree with that. But saying it's a common is pushing it.
>>48106243
Why does he have such a small body?
Why only 3 fucking 1/2?
Why the hell does that ability cost so much?
>>48106409
Because the card won't warp standard if it's bad
This set is pretty shit.
predicting only gisela, the new counterspell, and the 1 time use birthing pod will see any play
>>48106243
Bleurgh, pass.
>>48106434
I feel like a lot of this set is really good. It's just we've had the handful of cards that are absolute trash, especially two at mythic rarity.
>>48106444
the only card I want is Ulrich for EDH along with a few of the commons/uncommons.
>>48106243
I'm convinced Wizards just hates Spiders and finds every opportunity to make terrible Spider cards.
>>48106512
Spiders have always been the "fuck flying" commons of sets for limited. They've never been anything more.
Literally anyone who asked for a legendary spider is a meme-loving fuck.
>>48106243
Yes! Finally I can have a Commander spider tribal deck.
>>48106627
>>48106641
Now kiss
>>48106243
I'd take a reprint of silklash rather than this shit
>>48106243
Man first Ulrich now this, Wizards can't design a sought after legendary worth shit.
I genuinely feel bad for the spiderbros, at least werewolves CAN be fun when they have their rare Christmas land play. Your creature type is doomed to be a meme deck.
>>48106243
Delirium should give you a spider for each creature in your yard at least and the 6B thing should make every opponent lose life instead of lol target player nonsense but I guess I expect too much from our shekelord.
>>48106434
gisela, eldritch evolution, decimator of the provinces, possible providence for the chance of a turn 2 serra ascendant online in modern, bant doubling season/superfriends might play tamiyo in modern, emrakul's evangel looks like a finisher for token decks, emrakul could see play in tron, and so on
The set overall is better than average, especially for a small sized set, it's just it's either you pull a super good $30 card, or a 50¢ mythic.
>>48106627
>>48106641
>>48106709
>>48106243
>>48106731
Just have the damn spider give your opponents' creatures flying and some ability that works against flying creatures. It's not hard for fuck's sake.
>>48106709
>Wizards can't design a sought after legendary worth shit
Avacyn?
>>48106709
Ulrich should have been something else, but is at the very least perfectly playable. By all means, he should be interacting with transform itself as a mechanic, but having two decent abilities on both sides is reminiscent of huntmaster of the fells.
This is literally just an uncommon they slapped the legendary tag on, gave a fancy name, and made mythic.
>>48106256
This is fucking excellent.
>>48106327
Rarity isn't just about power levels; it's also about complexity and use. I can see the argument for uncommon, but it's probably too niche for common. Plus, not every mythic has to be or should be amazing. Not every card is specifically for you.
>>48106752
I didn't realize Avacyn was a creature that hasn't been represented and been clamored for by fans to be given a card.
Oh wait, she's a central character to innistrad and wasn't sought after because everyone knew she was coming anyway.
>>48106812
What do you even mean by "sought after"?
Two BG legends in the same block. Disappointing.
>>48106820
In the same way the legendary werewolf and legendary spider are sought after.
They didn't exist and people kept asking and asking for it.
>>48106793
It's 5 mana for a conditional army of 3 when fucking Cloudgoat Ranger exists and does it with no fuss and the spider damage thing is underpowered as fuck for casual nonsense and hurts EDH appeal. The spiders should have had deathtouch at least to be worth it.
>>48106837
At least Gitrog is good for something.
>>48106846
Rather than deathtouch I'd rather it be able to make more fucking spiders after the potential etb so that the other ability could actually be used to kill someone.
>>48106742
Overall I think that SoI was a far better set on average.
Speaking as a primarily EDH player, Avacyn, Nahiri, Jace, Sorin, Arlinn, the uncommon werewolves especially Duskwatch, Westvale, descend upon the sinful, relentless dead, ulvenwald hydra, seasons past, declaration in stone, traverse the ulvenwald, engulf the shore, tireless tracker, gitgud frog, tamiyo's journal, etc
the list goes on and on
>legendary spider
>soft body
>irrelevant ability
>don't even have death touch
Why?
How to fix this shit so it's at least edh playable.
>have it spawn spider tokens on etb based on the amount of card types in your grave
>make it spawn a spider token each upkeep if you have delirium
>make it a spider lord for deathtouch
>make the second ability spawn another spider token after use
>>48106793
Reach is common, Delirium is at common, and activated abilities like seen are at common.
While definitely not the norm, commons with three abilities do exist as recent as BfZ.
It's not strong, it's not flashy, it's not interesting, and it's not as complex as some uncommons. There is exactly zero (0) reason for this to be at mythic.
>>48106899
Wizards treats lords like Nintendo treats Mario party. They won't give us a traditional lord, even if that's what we want.
>>48106879
Doesn't do much outside of being a meme commmander
>>48106243
>7 mana abilty
>SEVEN MANA FOR 4 DAMAGE
You can see they wanted to do some kind of deathtouch thing (that's what spiders are all about, like drain based on numbers ? That's never happened on a spider)but if they did this would be a cheap answer to emrakul and avacyn in this set. Also if the 3 spider bodies had deathtouch this card would be comparable to the powerlevelin of hornet Queen but much cheaper (so it'd be busted strong)
So in all they decided to make it a shit mythic instead of a cool, flavourful legendary mythic Lord
>all these shit cards
Is this set even worth buying a box for anymore?
This set reminds me of Born of the Gods
>>48106984
It's never been worth it senpai.
>>48106996
The whole block is like theros teir
>>48106984
Opening boxes is only worth it if you are a store
>>48106963
>spiderbro gets cucked buy emmy and avacyn
>avacyn and emrakul get cucked by tamiyo
>tamiyo gets cucked by the jacestice league taking up monocolors
once again, we see that the scooby gang is the reason everything is terrible.
>>48107009
With ebay everyone can be a store
>>48106996
>>48107003
Hyperbole much.
Mythics are fine if they're terrible (WHO WOULD WANT A FUCKING CHASE MYTHIC, HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU NIGGAS RETARDED OR WHAT?), though that legend should really not be a mythic, because the design is boring as fuck.
A card like Providence fits more the mythic thing, because it's big, bomby, and has an interesting design that makes you want to break it (even if it's actually shit).
>>48107022
but you're not getting the vendor discount
>>48107022
Well yeah, but unless you get from WotC directly or from wholesale suppliers you're not going to make banks from buying them at MSRP
>>48107029
>Mythics are fine if they're terrible
So whats supposed to be good?
>>48107022
>buy box for ~$100USD
>cards opened estimated value ~$70USD
>sell cards individually
>ebay takes a percentage
>paypal takes a percentage
>postage costs money
>have to sell cards at under market value to get anyone to buy your market-flooded jank
>make ~$50 per box
>?????
>profit!
>>48107049
Rares and uncommons
>>48107049
commons and uncos, nigga.
i bet you're going to post bitching about the price of staples later, too.
>>48107029
We need chase mythics to sell packs. That's why stuff like Gisela who is uncommon level complexity outside of meld gets pushed to mythic
>>48107029
No, providence is a rare teir card.
Wizards actual design logic (unless you look at what the actual truth is (how many packs can we sell)) is mythics are more complex than a rare.
Eg: persistent nightmare. It interacts with the graveyard, is both a creature or a sorcery, with an activated ability on one side. There's a lot to that card.
Emrakul could be considered mythic, because mind slaver effects have insane amounts of rulings to them.
The werewolf or this spider could have been rare
what time does the wizads website update? i want my spoilers so i can go to bed.
>>48107049
>So whats supposed to be good?
Any card? Since I'm a poorfag, I would say common, but you know, whatever.
>>48107072
>Wizards actual design logic (unless you look at what the actual truth is (how many packs can we sell)) is mythics are more complex than a rare.
No, what they've said is that mythics are cards with interesting design, cards that just would wreck Limited, and stuff like Planeswalkers, or big showy cards. I think Providence fits the "interesting design" part, as well as the "wrecks Limited so hard" part.
So, why did they make the mythic rarity again?
>>48106793
> Not every card is specifically for you.
Who exactly is this card pandering to?
Because I'm sure as fuck even EDHfags are disappointed by it.
>>48107146
LIMITED BALANCINGsell more packs make more kekles
>>48107146
to make 1 good mandatory-run mythic per set and the rest trash to make you buy more boxes to get it.
>>48107146
The cynic would tell you "sell more packs".
The optimist would tell you "so they can print cards that would wreck Limited at rare".
The fool would tell you that "opening Mythics is so fucking cool!".
Me, I'd say all of the above.
>>48106793
This shit is a step down from Siege-Gang Commander in both cost and usefulness. It's crap.
>>48107022
I work for my lgs and every time a set comes out I get paid to open a case so we can sell singles. I just use my employee discount to buy whatever I want from that and the rest online. On top of that my boss gives me spare promos from the set as an added bonus.
I stopped buying boxes a long time ago but still manage to get the cards I want while also satisfying the urge to crack packs and saving money.
They should reprint shit like this or at least similiar and cheaper if they expect the spider to be playable in standard.
>>48106243
There are at least two other spoiler threads up right now (one in autosage) you should have posted in those. Also, there should be "Spoiler" somewhere in the title here so people can find it.
I don't want to have to watch in three or more threads for the same topic.
Could have at least hit all opponents. Why bother making mythic legends if they're not even good in EDH? This isn't being played anywhere else anyway
>>48107284
Honestly, being able to turn a mass of tokens into repeated life loss is pretty good.
Spider also gives you a massive amount of toughness, which can be useful.
>>48107246
>for one more mana you get twice as much damage
wew
>>48107297
>wahh
>wah waaaah
you know how spoiler season works
>>48107340
That ability costs 7 s e v e n fucking mana. If the best thing you can do for 7 mana in a Delirium Graveyard deck is to hope your 5 drop survives and beat your opponent with 3 power and tapping out for 4 damage then something is fucking wrong with you and your opponent.
>>48107340
>mass tokens
>3
>7 fucking mana
>>48107187
>The cynic would tell you "sell more packs".
This is the only true on though it seems, look at eternal masters or reprints of some cards like platinium angel, why move previous rare cards to mythic if not to sell more boxes?
>>48107353
Yes, instead of looking if there is already a thread for spoilers people continuously make new ones and people end up having to follow multiple threads for the same content.
Which is shit.
>>48106243
I know it's a different color and all, but still.
>MTG babies don't know the WotC paradigm of "shit set follows broken set"
>>48106256
>KILL IT WITH FIRE
nice
>>48107417
SoI was shit so i don't understand what is getting released here.
>>48107427
sometimes WotC have to pull the rare "follow a mediocre set with a shit set" maneuver in order to lower the power level enough so that they can release a mediocre set afterwards and have people think it is good.
>>48106243
>green and black
Totally worth it even of the ability is shit. Can't wait to run a golgari deck with that spider bitch and that card with flashback that puts spiders onto the battlefield equal to the number of creatures in all graveyards. It's not very hard to get 20 spiders.
>>48107417
what was the broken set then?
wotc has released 98% shit sets consistently, since fucking lorwyn
>>48107437
How long are they planning on lowering the power level of sets? Outside of Khans and the few busted eldrazi from Oath almost every set has been shit since Theros
>>48107444
But it's very easy to get them all boardwiped before you activate a 7 fucking-mana ability.
>>48107385
>edh
>green and black
>having trouble pulling 7 mana
kek of the morning to ye, guv'na!
>>48107495
>ignoring the whole "survives" core verb
if you can pull that much mana out of your ass that easily, then your opponents would be able to also retard
>>48106243
>Can't even produce tokens
This shit has delirium but still can shit out tokens everytime it attacks. Yet this card doesn't see constructed play
>>48107522
>doesn't exile four random cards from your graveyard
>doesn't give the token the same ability
missed opportunities fampai.
So the spider is trash, is she at least relevant in the lore?
>>48107495
>spending your seven mana on 4 damage
>meanwhile zur has already stuffed your bunghole seven times
>>48107508
>b-b-b-b-but what if they exile your grave yard!
It's always a what-if game. But when you do pull it off, and bitches like you get salty as fuck it makes me rock hard for days.
>>48107632
my "what if" was based on your precedent, you dip shit
MTG is based on having answers, so having a slow threat that cannot survive any, makes it not a threat
its especially worse in EDH "Watch me combo with 100$ cards till i win turn 3" where they win by ignoring you
>>48107522
>Delirium
why the fuck didn't they just reuse Threshold too?
>>48107705
yeah, terrible
if i pull one i'll be actively trying to dump it for a tamiyo or anything else
>>48107705
BOOOOOOOOOOO
GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK
>>48107495
You can have a better ability for 3 mana and a creature in those colors.
>>48107705
Source that isn't Reddit?
>>48107714
Wizards said they wanted to bring back threshold, but they thought it would be too complicated for newer players.
It sounds bullshit, I know, but that's literally what happened.
>>48107705
It's shitty enough that it must be real.
Nice
>>48107744
don't think it's legit?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/access-magic-eldritch-moon-episode-3
>>48107449
>since theros
Including theros.
They've been talking about lowering standards powerlevelin since scars/inn standars
>>48107705
I prefer the fake one that shit out 50 tokens.
Boooooooo
>>48107705
>+1 doesn't even last long enough to protect her
Good work, WotC.
You did it.
Happy now?
>>48107756
...and delirium is less complicated than threshold?
Sassy
>>48107784
bitch
>>48107782
>until your next turn
it kind of does
>>48107784
>not Sarcomancy
ONE JOB!
>>48107807
Oh, my bad. I just woke up and thought it was the shitty version someone said last night.
>>48107795
That's literally the point. MaRo has no fucking clue what he's doing now.
It's like he's on a mission to make everything shit after Fate Reforged.
>>48107705
She might have the worst - ability I have ever seen. It makes Tibalt has better abilities than this. TIBALT
>>48107756
>count to 7
>more complicated than
> if you count 4 different card types
also this card
>>48107828
>make everything shit.
Ftfy
>>48107705
I like her cost and her +1 but god damn her - and ulti are the opposite of GAS.
>>48107784
This is a pretty good card. Incidental 2/2s and a mandatory sacrifice. Would play.
>>48107705
I don't hate it. I would probably play it in Abzan Superfriends with tokens, Oath of Nissas and some Tamiyos because why the fuck not.
>>48107828
Is the new Liliana worse than Liliana of the Dark Realms?
>>48107836
>Uncommon
Huh? This really feels like a rare. Also cute card, but it's effect isn't always an upside.
>>48107784
>>48107797
This card fucking sucks and reddits mouth is already watering at the thought of Mark Rosewaters cock.
This card is terrible in limited for obvious reasons, and in constructed it isn't very good either. Would be much better if it had a destroy target creature ETB effect.
>>48107866
>Isn't always an upside
>Its a fucking may effect
Are you fucking retarded anon?
>>48107866
its a May, so you get to decide to do it.
>>48107866
It says you may, so you.get to choose if you want to do it.
>>48107874
in limited its fine, it isn't great, but it kills something, wouldn't high pick it, but I'll play it if I am low on removal.
>>48107874
I was expecting a small pox like effect tbqh
>>48107866
>a may ability isn't always an upside
uhhh
>>48107705
amazingly bad.
breath-takingly awful.
it couldn't have even been -2-2? seriously? can't even kill shit?
>>48107851
People actually like Dark Realms because she can ramp and let skithiryx one shot people.
This bitch does nothing but Architect + for 4 turns and get an emblem that is completely tribe dependent.
Literally Nissa 1.0 tier
>>48107830
Everyone knows murrikans can't count past their first hand of fingers.
>>48107907
but inbreeding gives us seven fingers
>>48107851
No, at least you could find some way to shove Last Hope into a modern deck since shes a 3-drop and her -2 is alright. Dark Realms is just unplayable.
>>48107888
Assuming my draft wasn't shit or my sealed pool wasn't trash, I wouldn't play this card.
>>48107756
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/finding-delirium-2016-03-25
>We also tried some threshold-based mechanics that counted cards in your opponent's graveyard, but that just led to people getting paralyzed at five or so cards in the graveyard, because casting spells could easily put them over the edge.
>I mentioned threshold before, and I want to talk a bit about it, since it is commonly perceived as a bad mechanic. That's not exactly true—threshold had a lot of problems within Odyssey block. Seven cards in your graveyard is a lot, depending on the format. It is a huge portion of your Limited deck, but pretty easy to get in Constructed—you just fill your deck with cantrips and mill cards. The bonus for turning it on was often very large (think Dirty Wererat, Werebear, or Krosan Beast) and kind of mindless. Getting seven cards in your graveyard through normal play is sometimes hard, but easy if you're playing a lot of enablers. Also, pairing it with flashback meant that it was very easy to accidentally turn it off. All of these meant that we didn't like what threshold did in Odyssey, but it didn't mean that mechanics like it couldn't work.
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/odds-ends-shadows-over-innistrad-part-2-2016-04-18
>Threshold doesn't care about what cards are in your graveyard, only how many, so it encourages you to sacrifice a lot of permanents and discard a lot of cards. Delirium, in contrast, cares about what card types are in the graveyard, so once one creature dies, for example, you're no longer focused on making your creatures die. This leads to better gameplay and makes for more interesting deck-construction choices. It also allowed development to have an easier time balancing delirium.
Could you cite where anyone said it was too complicated?
>>48107874
It's a Fleshbag that makes tokens when it sticks around. Its playable.
I'm using it in my Liliana EDH for sure. It's hardly uncommon for me to flip Lili 3 or 4 times a turn. Sadly, I'll only get one extra zombie at the end of the turn, but it's something when I'm not rolling.
What if Raven Man is revealed to be Mishra and he becomes the lord of New Phyrexia while Karn, his brother's creation, tries to stop him?
>>48107904
at least it lasts until your next turn... it's still shit though
>>48107874
>This card fucking sucks
It's actually pretty great in Constructed.
>>48107905
>ramp
What? The land goes to your hand. All it does is guarantee that you won't miss you land drop. She doesn't accelerate the process, only make it more consistent.
>>48107784
>"you've been a good pet all month... i suppose i should reward you."
>"take your pants off and lie on your back."
>she fold her arms and glares at you, waiting
>nervous, you disrobe. shaking. from the cold, you tell yourself
>you lie back on the metal table, goosebumps covering your skin.
>she runs a finger from your chin down your stomach, passing your erect nipples
>as she reaches your less-than-impressive cock, she raises an eyebrow and a subtle smirk tugs at the corner of her mouth.
>she flicks it, unlovingly, waiting for something to happen.
>sighing, she shoots you a glare. she grabs suddenly, rubbing it all, until you are stiff and trying to supress yourself
>up and down she strokes you, until she's almost enjoying herself and you certainly are.
>after what seems like an eternity, you fail to contain yourself and jettison your cargo across your stomach, chest and face.
>you don't dare to move
>she smiles wide and wipes her hand.
>"Happy now?"
>y-yes! yes m-mistressTamiyo!
MaRo has gone on record saying that Liliana of the Dark Realms was a mistake because planeswalkers should have their own unique identity and the 'swamps matter' element of LotDR was completely disconnected from other Lilianas.
Looking at all the printed Lilis (excluding Dark Realms) and none of them have any sort of connection with her +1 except arguably LotV's -2. The focus on lowering power over toughness seems out of color for black as well.
Her -2 is totally disconnected from her other iterations as well. Raise Dead effects are sometimes attributed to Liliana through flavor text but most of the time Liliana acts towards losing cards in your hand rather than gaining them (and of course, self mill is a foreign concept to Liliana)
Token production only appeared on Heretical Healer so the ult is also pretty silly.
This card doesn't do anything discard related, and the reanimation aspects are kind of a stretch. I don't think this card should have been Liliana.
>>48107949
>MAKE A THRESHOLD EASIER TO GET, AND HAVE LESS EFFECTIVE ABILITIES
>This leads to better gameplay
FUCK YOU MaRo
>>48107907
>Card requires me to count to seven
>Think "I got this" and start cracking off fingers like a boss
>12 minutes later when I'm at five, I look to my other hand
>It's holding my cards
>Start sweating
>Suddenly, ingenuity hit me like a drone strike
>Put my cards down
>Count to seven with fingers to spare
>Can't remember which pile of cards was my hand
>Have to count which pile has more than seven cards in to find my library
>Opponent calls a judge on me before I can take my second sock off
>>48107836
With they would've gone full Leng and have it affect your own discard, but I suppose that could have potentially broken Miracles on a Land.
>>48107960
Raven Man has had absolutely nothing to do with phyrexia. There is nothing implicating Raven Man is any previous character whatsoever.
He is just a tricksy planeswalker who is manipulating Liliana. That's it.
>>48107960
What if the Raven Man is revealed to be Nissa and it's one of the first steps towards categorically proving that everything bad that's happened in Magic history was her fault?
>>48108009
Except the fact he looks exactly like either Urza or Mishra?
>>48107926
fukin beat me to it you cheeky cunt
>>48107907
you can count to 32 in binary on one hand, 16 with only 4 fingers
>>48107904
While I agree that her + ability is both unblack and pathetic, giving something -2/-2 as a + ability on a 3 drop would be straight busted. You can't give shock as a + ability.
>>48107960
It's Mr.Tibbles
>>48107960
You are aware that we already know who Raven Man is, right?
>>48108047
And who is it, Maro?
>>48107705
fake
>>48107960
What if Raven Man was secretly Bolas and the Elder Dragon form was just an illusion because Raven Man was also secretly UB and was Jace from the FUUUUUUTURE?
>>48107983
>Raise Dead effects are sometimes attributed to Liliana through flavor text
That's an acceptable caveat for planeswalkers to have new abilities. Like Sorin, Grim Nemesis' +1.
>>48108047
>It's another one of those "he doesn't exist faggots
He's not only the one who has orchestrated everythinf Liliana has done up until now, but he's also the one who originally told Ob-Nixilis about the chain veil.
He's an actual character who had yet to be directly involved with the story. We'll probably see him next time we see Ob and Garruk(who is still on the pvp server)
>>48107960
Isn't Mishra dead?
Meeting him as depicted on Urza's Guilt was just a hallucination.
Just like Karona meeting Yawgmoth...13 years later, I'm still salty.
>>48108040
>binary
retard, that means two. you can count to 32 with just 2? retar.
>>48108076
You're a retard.
>>48108076
Kill me now
jace was WotC's worst mistake
>>48108022
Except he looks nothing like Urza or Mishra. Have you even looked at a single depiction of Mishra? And if he's Urza, his face has become more blocky, he's got a tan, he's cut and trimmed his hair and beard, and his eyes are now glowing yellow.
You just think "old man = Urza".
>>48108076
>retconning the elder dragons to actually be the jacetice league
REEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEE
>>48108099
>yfw he's nichol bolas
>>48106243
>This spider
>Ulrich
Oh boy, I can't wait for the UR Artificer everybody's been asking for.
>>48106243
Are you telling me that a mythic slot was wasted on something so terrible it won't even see play in draft?
>>48107995
My sides
>>48107963
Not for standard or modern. This is objectively worse than Oath of Chandra.
>>48108118
Well you know, that can happen after there's nothing left of you.
>>48108118
>Except he looks nothing like Mishra
Kek, has inbreeding took your eyesight?
>>48108087
I would argue that Sorin had a less defined planeswalker identity than Liliana. His change in colours gave him some more freedom. I don't think Grim Nemesis is a well designed card either but only because it falls into the Ob Nixilis/Jace/Nahiri paint-by-numbers planeswalker design.
Sorin should be the removal planeswalker and lili should be the discard/reanimation one.
>>48107995
>>Suddenly, ingenuity hit me like a drone strike
holy kek
>>48108156
I disagree.
Selfcest Soul
1W
Creature - Spirit
Flying
Sacrifice Selfcest Soul: Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
>>48108118
Even better image, you're just a retard.
>>48106243
>makes 1/2 spiders with reach
>Kaladesh is the next set
>Kaladesh has 1/1 thopters
Hangerback was already scary as hell. This spider is ahead of her time and will save our asses next set.
>>48108112
That's not true. Jace was fine until they shoehorned him into things. Pre RTR I had no problem with him and I actually liked his story in Origins.
Even post gatewatch; Jace is still less of a mistake than the Reserve List.
>>48108188
For comparision.
>>48107705
I can see some use in this, reminds me of the RTR jace.
Can prevent her from dying in one turn and then use the next few turns to protect her while you build up to the ulti.
>>48108187
RA TTLE CHAINS
RA TTLE CHAINS
RA TTLE CHAINS
>>48108187
>Selfcest
Selfless, surely?
>>48108187
>selfcest
LEWD.
I really hope the flavor text is something like:
sometimes martyring yourself once just isn't enough.
>>48108181
With Oath of Chandra, 3 damage can kill a lot of creatures, and then it's up to you if 2 burn damage or 2/2 block fodder is better. Chandras oath also costs 1 less mana.
>>48108220
yes
eet was joke
>>48106243
That will be perfect in my EDH deck!
>>48108214
Holy shit
not him,
that's literally Urza with a haircut
same color pallet, same dress style
>>48108233
Oath of Liliana automatically creates a token to protect the planeswalker you just put on the battlefield. It's better in a Planeswalker heavy deck.
>>48106243
>people ask for a spider commander
>people ask for a werewolf commander
And we get this set. Why does wizards hate us?
>>48108187
>Selfcest
>>48108261
because their products magnitude and guarantee of success is beyond any need for quality control, and they no longer need to listen to people who are here for the actual game
>>48106256
>>48106264
I'm guessing it's a sorcery? Can't let red have good burn spells after all.
>still no red mythic
>this block has yet to have a dragon
>every set in the last innistrad block had one
Calling it now. The red mythic is an eldrazi dragon
>>48108312
eldragzin
Does the amerifat holiday mean that there are no articles today?
>>48107522
>Doesn't copy itself
Why even bother?
>>48107784
>You can see everyone's two hands in every oath
>Only one hand of Liliana's is shown in her own
>Could have her fingers crossed with the other
>>48108304
Yeah, it is. It's also a Wheel, and an instant Wheel is just not going to happen ever.
>>48108330
el dragon
>>48108392
>It's just a regular dragon with two long, thin Emrakul tentacles on either side of its snout
Fund it
>>48108368
True.
Well, it's still playable. It feels like an apology for Incendiary Command.
>>48106957
>meme commmander
Literally.
>>48108392
>el dragon
>el dragon azteca
>next plane is Lucha plane
Make it happen, Wizards.
>>48108415
Make it legendary too because why the fuck not
>>48108043
>giving a creature -2/-1 isn't black
Okay.
>>48107949
>pairing flashback with threshold was a bad thing because it made players have to seriously consider the costs and benefits of using either ability together
???
Why does MaRo hate skilltests? Pairing flashback and threshold together was smart.
>>48108495
A Mesoamerican plane would be incredible.
>>48107705
Fake. Saw the original one a bit ago. Good job on taking that one anon's advice and making it so the hands don't stick out of the image box now. It almost looks like a real card.
>>48107985
Yes, actually.
Making it easier to get means it actually matters in more games, and it means your deck is less of a binary on/off deck. They can make the "off" version relatively stronger to offset the fact the "on" side is weaker than Threshold.
>>48108043
Shock hits players. They aren't comparable
>>48108517
Because the current crowd they want to attract can't always be described as "skilled".
>>48108530
>Making it easier to get means it actually matters in more games
that is not what it means
Lilianna should have been:
1bb
+1: Up to one target creature gets +3/-2
-2: mill 2, return a creature with power 2 or less to the battlefield.
-7: same ult, but also the emblem gives zombies you control haste.
>>48108514
There's also Contagion. But those are cards from long time ago. Modern design was directed towards making everything -X/-X because those are easier to remember.
Everything -X/-Y should have been abolished (with exception of -X/-0).
I guess this is another case of MaRo saying one thing but doing the opposite.
>>48108614
Grandfathered, newfriend ;)
>>48108556
It does.
If in 4 games out of 5 you never get to 7 cards in your graveyard, then your threshold cards might as well not have threshold at all.
>>48108519
>>48108495
Fund it
>>48108626
And it's grandfathered now, you retard.
>>48108495
>>48108519
>>48108647
Pretty sure MaRo has a plane like that on his shortlist. It's gonna happen boys.
>>48108693
2fast4u scrub
>>48108688
>>48108693
Not CoCo, more like PooPoo. I'm I right fellows?
>>48108688
>>48108693
The flavor is awful and I hate the PW card type.
I'm done holding out hope for EMN. No way I'm gonna draft this pile.
>>48108688
>>48108693
>The Jacetice League steals a mythic slot
For fuck's sake.
>>48108693
Should have made it instant...and 3G...and hit 2 creatures with cmc 3 or less and only dig 6
>>48108688
>>48108693
>planeswalker CoCo
hell yeah dude...
>>48108688
>>48108693
Obvious first pick in Limited. I hope all of my packs have them every drafts.
>>48108693
>>48108688
Urgh.
>>48107705
>+ ability is worse than Disfigure
>- ability is (usually) worse than Disentomb
>ult is literally Endless Ranks of the Dead
This piece of shit wouldn't even be good at ONE mana!
>>48106243
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>>48107888
No its not, sac effects are absolute trash in this format, to the slaughter is a card that starts in your sideboard unless your deck sucks. This card is basically a strictly worse to the slaughter in limited.
>>48108676
>Pretty sure MaRo has a plane like that on his shortlist.
Don't say that! That guarantees it'll get fucked up!!
>>48108787
no
unless you're a fun guy and you're OK losing 95% of the games
>>48108641
ease of access does not mean the ability is useful you goal post moving retard
>>48108688
>>48108693
>Gideon/Lilliana OTP confirmed.
>>48108688
I was going to defend this set until now
>>48108676
There's plenty of myth to build on. Hell, check out the Mayan underworld, The Place of Fear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba
Xibalba seemed to be rife with tests, trials, and traps for anyone who came into the city. Even the roads to Xibalba were filled with obstacles: first a river filled with scorpions, a river filled with blood, and then a river filled with pus. Beyond these was a crossroads where travellers had to choose from among four roads that spoke in an attempt to confuse and beguile. Upon passing these obstacles, one would come upon the Xibalba council place, where it was expected visitors would greet the seated Lords. Realistic mannequins were seated near the Lords to confuse and humiliate people who greeted them, and the confused would then be invited to sit upon a bench, which was actually a hot cooking surface. The Lords of Xibalba would entertain themselves by humiliating people in this fashion before sending them into one of Xibalba's deadly tests.
The city was home to at least six deadly houses filled with trials for visitors. The first was Dark House, a house that was completely dark inside. The second was Rattling House or Cold House, full of bone-chilling cold and rattling hail. The third was Jaguar House, filled with hungry jaguars. The fourth was Bat House, filled with dangerous shrieking bats, and the fifth was Razor House, filled with blades and razors that moved about of their own accord. In another part of the Popol Vuh, a sixth test, Hot House, filled with fires and heat, is identified. The purpose of these tests was to either kill or humiliate people placed into them if they could not outwit the test.
>>48108787
No. Absolutely awful commander.
>>48108809
>mfw Lili cucks Jaceand Chandrawith Gideon
>>48108688
>>48108693
>eye to eye
>side by side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeisCvjwBMo
Was there even more than one spider in soi?
>>48108807
I said "it matters more often", as in "the keyword itself matters more often". I didn't move the goalposts, you just apparently failed to see where they were in the first place.
>>48108787
maybe if its ability said "every opponent" instead of "target opponent."
>>48107705
If the -2 wasn't an absolutely massive pile of shit then this card would be really good
>>48108844
Gloomwidow and Watcher in the Web. I thought there were some spider token producing cards, but apparently not.
>>48108688
>>48108693
This breaks Nahiri in EDH.:^)
>>48108787
It's not monogreen, so it's not complete garbage. But it's not particularly good.
>>48107705
What if she'd been
>+1: Mill, then disentomb.
>-2: Creatures your opponents control get -2/-1 until your next turn.
>>48106243
Come on, that's a common with two conditional abillities duct taped onto it.
Either make it a 4/6 and the ETB directly scale with card types in graveyard, or bump it down to rare.
Is it me or have the non-planeswalker green mythics been getting worse and worse since khans block?
>>48108688
>>48108693
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
It seem's like the only good cards in the set are Escalate or named Gisela
>>48108911
Yes.
>>48108598
Weight of The Underworld?
>>48108932
I wish Escalate cards let you pick the same mode more than once, like those commands from the new commander decks.
>>48107495
A simple kek is never enough for faggots like you who are almost invariably wrong, is it?
>>48108688
I once drafted Call the Gatewatch to tutor up a Nissa. Always drew Nissa before Call the Gatewatch.
I just know I'll end up with this shit too.
WHERE ARE THE MOTHER FLIPPING REPRINTS?
>>48108187
DID YOU SAY ONE THING AND MEAN YOUR MOTHER ANON?
>>48108688
>>48108693
BANT SUPERFRIENDS IS GO
BANT SUPERFRIENDS IS GO
>>48108932
So you're not a fan of new Thalia, Eldritch Evolution, new Tamiyo, Wharf Infiltrator, Docent Of Perfection, Harmless Offering, Curious Homonculus, Lone Rider, Unsubstantiate, Distended Mindbender, Lupine Prototype, Elder Deep Fiend and Gier Reach Sanitarium? because all of those seem like they might show up in modern, and they'll certainly make a splash in standard. I'll admit a few of them are probably only going to be good in standard, but there's at least a few I listed that I would be surprised if they don't at least show up as one ofs in modern or legacy.
>>48109107
We got murder, and some other common and that's like it, You should pre order Mondern Master 3 (TM), this time with Ghost Rare tarmogoyf and now 20 packs a box, get it at the low low price of 350 a box. Limit 2 per store.
>>48109107
Turn Asside's a reprint
>>48108688
>>48108693
I don't bother with limited all the much, so i don't hate this card. Superfriends is among my favorite goofy pet decks, so this seems neat.
>>48109180
>Limit 2 per store
So they've tripled the print run!? Finally!
>>48106243
Her ability is so overcosted holy shit. It could have at least spawned one or two more spider each time you use it. Or she could have given deathtouch to all spiders.
>>48109308
I don't understand why Wizards refuses to make legendary lords.
>>48108787
Well, with any infinite mana combo, you've got the win. There is something to be said for having the infinite mana sink in your command zone.
It's really boring design though.
>>48109328
Because casuals want to give their spiders double deathtouch.
>>48109328
Dwynen.
>>48107828
And you are right, WotC BULLSHIT plan of listening to tumblr teens is killing this game, since Khan's we have had:
>transshit
>Autistic Planewalkers (I am not fucking joking)
>More Lesbian characters (notice not gay, but lesbian, intresting)
>Distancing from fantasy armor
>Lack of Cleavage
>Sever increase in diversity
>Uncharted Realms being Fan fiction Level writing
>WotC promoting feminism in the MTG community
>Banning Sexy playmats and card sleeves
>Using words like Nigger, Gay, Faggot, and Queer gets you banned from tournaments.
And the sad thing is that tumblr teens don't even have the money to play or to buy cards. Fuck Maro!
>MFW I see my game dying because of inclusivity
>>48108334
No because we work for a living.
>>48109377
How is any of that killing the game though?
>>48107756
>but they thought it would be too complicated for newer players.
threshold is literally one of the simplest mechanics I can think of. most evergreen mechanics are more complicated ffs
>>48108561
We already have a mono-red planeswalker, silly.
>>48109442
Uncharted Realms going downhill has made the game shittier since the lore is now much worse.
>>48109377
Funny bit about that last part, the word nigger is thrown around a fuckton at my LGS because southern Louisiana.
Usually by white guys but even the black people don't even care, and I've never seen a single person get kicked out of the store because of it.
>>48109474
The problem was the arguments that broke out over whether cards on the stack counted at being in the graveyard.
Obviously they don't. but new players will be new players.
>>48109479
Uncharted Realms has never been particularly good though.
>>48109496
>whether cards on the stack counted at being in the graveyard.
what the fuck
>>48109480
Rural Canada here, faggot and nigga are thrown around by everyoneSomeone even had all his Gideon altered to be gangsta shitnobody care, though sales have been lower lately, since the dollar isn't doing great and a general lack of interest in standard.
>>48109496
But card can't be in two zone at the same time, are new players this retarded?
>>48109479
can you give a few uncharted realms before all this that you thought were good?
>>48109479
When was the last block you would say had good lore and good Uncharted Realms articles?
>>48109529
>are new players this retarded?
ANY TIME THIS QUESTION IS ASKED, THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES.
>>48109480
Sometimes I wish all LGS's were this chill about stuff
>>48109496
>whether cards on the stack counted at being in the graveyard.
How is that even near the realms of "common mistake you get people may make"?
>>48108894
its green black. The black in the ability cost allows you to play both colors.
>>48109514
>>48109533
>>48109534
I'm not the original SJW ranting guy, but I remember even a year or two ago the Uncharted Realms was decent-tier quality writing that wasn't completely cringeworthy to try and read.
>>48109107
>Gets a near reprint of a reserved list card
>A BLOO BLOO BLOO
>>48109496
Can you link to a source saying that was the problem?
>>48109377
None of those affect the game mechanically or harm card design though.
The game can still abide by all that shit and still be good. The game is dying because the fucking cards are ass to use now.
>>48108720
>Mythics
>relevant in draft
lel
I'm gonna point out that Ishkanah is crazy good in limited, and that's why it's mythic.
Also you cunts were complaining about chase cards being mythic (driving their price up), this is what you wanted so be grateful.
>>48109593
Oh yes, thank god for that color shifted reprint of Donate, thank god they did that I mean Donate was reaching like 400$.
Who even needs reprints of staples that appeared on original Innistrad? Little kids and jews that want to make this epic game more affortable(bad thing), am I right brah?
>>48109628
>this is what you wanted so be grateful.
no it's not
I don't want mythics to be chase cards but I still want them to be at least playable
>>48109572
there were clunkers even a year or two ago. And there have been some great uncharted realms as well, the recent Tamiyo story as well as Jace going insane in just this block were great. BFZ was clunky and had some shitty stories, but the first Gideon stories and the Ob Nixilis stories were still great.
I can understand it feeling like its gone down in quality though, BfZ was really bad, even with the stories I noted.
>>48109654
If they're playable in Standard, they're price will go up.
See Gisela.
Spoder is very much draftable
>>48109350
You can nim deathmantle combo it which is neat on a commander, especially in g/b
>>48109646
Were you expecting Snapcasters or something?
Just like that time Scars of Mirrodin reprinted Arcbound Ravager, right? Or when Dark Confidant got reprinted in Return to Ravnica? Totally realistic expectations, in light of the fact Battle for Zendikar had Jace, the Mind Sculptor in it.
>>48109697
Also Goblin Guide.
>>48107968
Well at least she's really fucking cute
>>48109658
I read one of the latest Eldritch Moon stories, it was literally a lesbian fanfic
>>48109767
Try this one:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/games-2016-04-27
>>48108688
>>48107784
>those cards that benefit from having several PW
ARE YOU READY FOR EVEN MORE PLANESWALKERS IN ANY SET?
BOY I SURE LOVE THE JACETICE LEAGUE
>>48109784
I'm reading this one and it's actually enjoyable so far.
>>48109784
Probably my favorite story next to feldons.
>>48109784
This is pretty fun, but Gisa's character is all over the place.
>>48109784
Gisa is such an annoying cunt. Leave Geralf alone, you hag.
>>48109628
No its not. Its got a decent delirium payoff and is unusable outside a dedicated delirium deck.
>>48109926
She's crazy more so than Geralf
>>48109926
That's kind of part of her character. She's whimsical and moody, prone to changeable attitudes.
>>48109697
Please, be more hyberbolic, it helps you not look like the total retard you are.
Labratory Maniac
Cavern of Souls
LotV
Stony Silence
Grafdigger's Cage
Desolate Lighthouse
Craterhoof Behemoth
Hellrider
Off the top of my head, safe to safeish reprints they could have put in.
>BFZ did a shit job at reprinted needed cards so that makes it okay.
Hell, all I am doing is trying to see if wizards even cares for the promises they made. MaRo himself said time and time again after the 2 set block plan was revealed that under the new block structure sets will contain more reprints to make up for the fact that Core sets are no more. We are 4 sets in the new block structure and this hasn't been true so far.
>>48106925
How about:
>spawn 3 1/2 spider token when etb
>delirium: every spider you control get +1/+2 (or just +0/+2) and can block one more creature
>>48109977
>bipolar necromancer
The.
Fucking.
Horror.
>>48109966
>decent delirium payoff
It's 6/11 spread across 4 bodies for 5 mana, anon. Achieving delirium is easy as fuck in draft too
>>48110026
>toughness heavy creature spread thinly across multiple bodies
But anon, that's a BAD thing. Being spread over multiple bodies is only good when the bonus bodies are decently disposable and are used for more damage.
I.E. even a 9/6 over 4 bodies is better than a 6/11 over 4.
>>48109984
Look at any of the Return sets. NONE OF THEM had a "Greatest Hits" reprint suite of popular cards from the previous iteration of that set. It's not hyperbole, it's the established strategy.
>MaRo himself said time and time again after the 2 set block plan was revealed that under the new block structure sets will contain more reprints to make up for the fact that Core sets are no more. We are 4 sets in the new block structure and this hasn't been true so far.
More reprints of cards that would have been in the Core sets, you mouth breather.
>LotV
>Safe to reprint
I'll just let that sit there.
>>48110026
Descend upon the sinful is a 6 mana Delirium: Win the Game. It also does work without delirium. This thing does neither
>>48109628
It's a bargain bin rare that will only see play as an EDH general for Spider tribal
>>48110075
In this standard at least it is. Dominated by tokens and CoCo.
>>48110277
Thats not a bad thing.
You know that not every card will be made for competitive play, if there is an audience for this card then its inclusion is a good thing.
>>48110075
>More reprints of cards that would have been in the Core sets, you mouth breather.
He really didn't, he just said reprints. But lets entertain your clearly braindamaged delusions.
Birds of Paradise
Platinum Angel
Howling Mine
Silence
Fabricate
Pithing Needle
Elvish Archdruid
Scavenging Ooze
Hive Mind
All from Core sets and only the safer ones. Want more? Here have some more.
Leylines
Baloth
Liliana's Caress
Grim Lavamancer
Phantasmal Image
SmallPox
Master of the Pearl Trident
Omniscience
>LotV
>Safe to reprint
>I'll just let that sit there.
I am sure she would be totally dominating in this meta rulled by tokens and CoCo. They were going to reprint her in M15 (which was a much slower/big creature meta) and they didn't because of devotion, do you really believe NOW she would be a problem? In this standard meta?
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
>>48110075
Veil Lily was first placed in m15, but monoB was too strong (pack rat, gary) so they saved her for later. Source is wizards site, its horrible on mobile so I cant find it. But they are cunts and say a lot of things.
>>48109377
There are only two things here that are problems:
>Uncharted Realms being Fan fiction Level writing
>WotC promoting feminism in the MTG community
If you think the other shit is a bigger issue than MtG's disgusting mechanical issues and ultra safe plots than you're just being silly. The issue isn't the number of tumblr weirdos playing the game, it's the number of them who aren't good at it. Pandering too much to casual players is the issue.
>>48110330
>You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
Right back at you, friend.
>Birds
They've said they're moving away from 1-mana dorks.
>Platinum Angel
Yeah, no, that would be super easy to have printed in BfZ or SoI. Fits perfectly with the flavor.
>Howling Mine
Last printed in about 6 Core Sets ago. That streak is more than broken.
>Silence
This is just making me think your last core set was 2010 or something.
>Fabricate
Yeah, no, you stopped right around 2010, didn't you? Maybe you'll be lucky and it'll show up in Kaladesh anyway though.
>Pithing Needle
Another 2010.
>Elvish Archdruid
You finally got one past 2010, so that's nice, though I can't help but noticed it was first printed in 2010. Sure, they could've done it in BfZ, but they wanted Allies to be the tribal deck.
>Scavenging Ooze
Yes, let's print a graveyard hoser while we try to push Delirium.
>Hive Mind
2010 again.
>Leylines
Oh, 2011. Was it just 2010 was the last one you really liked?
>Baloth
That's very specific, isn't it?
>Liliana's Caress
Sure, I guess that could've worked as a Madness hoser.
>Grim Lavamancer
2012? Did you just go through the core sets in order?
>Smallpox
2012 again. You did, didn't you?
>Master of the Pearl Trident
2013! You really did!
>Omniscience
2013 again. You silly bastard.
>>48110466
>Veil Lily was first placed in m15, but monoB was too strong (pack rat, gary) so they saved her for later.
>LotV was too strong for M15
>Because of Pack Rat, a card that would be printed after Liliana
>So they saved her for later
Come again?
>>48110488
What does the fact that he searched the core sets in order have to do with anything? Do you expect everyone to have a list of "safe to kinda safe cards you could reprint in sets under the new 2 set a block structure that come from core sets" list handy?
You are not making a point friend.
>>48110540
It makes it really fucking obvious he didn't pick cards that would be good to reprint alongside the mechanics of the blocks and instead was just picking shit in order from where he saw it.
>>48110581
>cards that would be good to reprint alongside the mechanics of the blocks
Like this one? Or red donate in a set/block that has nothing to do with cards have downsides?
You make it sound like wizards puts LITERALLY every card in a set to push said set's mechanics/themes and don't just put cards in there for other reasons, like needed reprints or because they want X card/card effect to be in the modern cardpool or because it makes good limited/standard gameplay
>>48110680
>Or red donate in a set/block that has nothing to do with cards have downsides?
Red Donate is because Demonic Pact is in Standard and it makes for a janky combo deck. The considerations go out to Standard as a whole, typically.
Shit like suggesting Master of the Pearl Trident when BfZ had FIVE Merfolk is completely missing the point.
>>48110732
>The considerations go out to Standard as a whole, typically.
>Yeah, no, that would be super easy to have printed in BfZ or SoI. Fits perfectly with the flavor.
You are contradicting yourself left and right not to mention the goalpost moving. You have to be baiting at this point, please carry on
>>48110766
>You are contradicting yourself left and right not to mention the goalpost moving.
You are one dense motherfucker. The consideration for what cards are needed goes out to the Standard metagame, but they still need to fit it in the flavor of the set. If they had needed a 7 mana colorless creature that prevented you from losing the game to tie something together in Standard, it would've been an Eldrazi, not Platinum Angel.
Not only did Standard not fucking need Platinum Angel, they had nowhere to fucking put it. Harmless Offering could be printed anywhere because the flavor for it could go in any set.
I think I like it
>>48110895
WOO LIGHTNING STRIKE IS BACK THANK FUCK
this standard has seriously sucked without this baby. Time to spam UR goggles like no tomorrow.
>>48110919
>sorcery speed
FUCK ME
>>48110895
>goofy "Chandra puts fire on things" flavor
>sorcery
Sigh...
>>48110895
>uncommon
Fucking WHY.
>>48110919
>>48110934
Sorry Goys, searing spear is way too good to reprint in today's standard
>>48110934
You can cast it at instant speed with Brain Jar
>>48110975
I'd rather just use Fiery Temper at that point, which is what I'm already doing.
>>48110965
Making it exile but sorcery is fine anon, we had pillar of flame as a sorcery speed shock that did the same.
If it were straight 3 damage sorcery speed then you have full permission to bitch, but burn spell + stupid benefit - instant is time honored.
>>48111007
I'd rather Searing Spear. Or both.
>>48111007
It's a really weird thing to print when they didn't bring back Undying.
>>48111044
Because its clearly printed to weaken all the sick delirum cards tearing up standard.
>>48111083
>that probably is the real reason it was printed
>>48111007
with the state of red in this format, would incinerate really have been busted? Fuck they think even lightning strike would be the end of standard as we know it. What a joke.
>>48110474
Friendly reminder that WotC is a business.
>>48111143
>would incinerate really have been busted
I think they stopped printed red burn spells that fuck regen.
>>48111236
>I think they stopped printed red burn spells
yes
>>48111236
They're not doing Regen anymore and Indestructible is replacing it.
>>48110466
first printed in original Innistrad (m13), not m15.
>>48110540
Not that anon, but I honestly don't see where you're coming from. It's easy to guess which cards WotC will and will not reprint, those being "anything that costs more than the pack it was bought in."
You're not gonna get cards like Remand, but you could get cards like Spell Pierce.
>>48111315
>first printed in original Innistrad (m13), not m15.
They were going to PUT HER in M15.
>>48110330
>>48110488
What are you two talking about? They reprinted Pithing Needle in Return to Ravnica.
>>48106243
>Worse than the uncommon its refrencing
>Mythic
GREAT JOB WOTC
>>48111297
But why?
Regeneration was fine as a mechanic, and it fit more in black than Indestructible does.
They could easily keep both.
>>48111353
The part that's not coming through is "so they saved her for later".
They supposedly "saved her for later" by not printing her in a set that came well after she had already been printed?
>>48111353
>believing that shit
They're not gonna put a $100 dollar card in a starndard set, anon. They save that shit for modern/legacy/eternal/whatever masters
>>48111395
Because they don't want two "it doesn't die even if you kill it" mechanics that are both evergreeen, and Regeneration is basically the same thing as Indestructible but with a cost attached.
>>48111411
They saved her for a core set for later and now there are no more core sets so she's gone until Garruk comes looking for that ass again and they actually have a reason for the veil to be relevant.
>>48106243
Would be much better if you got even a single token on the activated ability.
>>48111414
I'm not saying they will, I'm saying that was the excuse they used that she wasn't in M15.
>>48111460
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/mailbag-2015-05-15
>What kind of wacky development environment would it take for Liliana of the Veil to be Standard legal again? Do you just force her?
>It would be pretty difficult. By our estimates, Liliana is the second-most powerful Planeswalker ever. Some of that is due to interactions in older formats, but a lot of it is just that she's just really, really powerful. We tried her in Standard in M15, because we wanted Liliana of the Veil to go with the Garruk's curse storyline, but the more we tested her, the more obvious it was that she just wasn't okay. Some of it was how strong mono-black was in RTR-M15 Standard, but it was also that she was incredibly strong in Khans Standard.
>If we were to make this format where she was bad, the trick would be to have a lot of spells that really punishing people for you discarding them. The Loxodon Smiters of the world, and also having enough cheap haste creatures that she could easily be killed off when she does hit play. Or even just counterspells that happen to be free on 3-casting cost black cards. But that's not something we want to do for two reasons: 1) it will make a lot of other strategies that intersect with Liliana worse, and 2) we would get people excited by reprinting a powerful and popular card, only to pull the rug out from underneath them by also making it bad in Standard. I'll admit, we've done it before in Standard (not always on purpose), and I don't think it actually ends up making anybody happy—other than the people that just want to open the card in question.
It's not just that Black was too strong. They need to build an entire Standard environment around her to be able to print Liliana again, and they're not going to fucking do that.
>>48111527
SOI is literally the format to print LotV.
>+1, discard faggot
>I Madness cast Fire Temper from your discard
>>48111509
It's a dumb excuse, and I trusted you to be smart enough to get that, anon.
You're not gonna see Liliana of the Veil for the same reason you're not gonna see Blood Moon: they make more money by printing that shit in X-Masters.
Also, while we're on this point, the reason you're never gonna see Blood Moon ever again isn't because "it's too powerful in Standard." That's bullshit. All they'd have to do is make mono-coloured and/or Red the dominant colour, and they could reprint Blood Moon without fucking the meta..
>>48111527
>we literally can't reprint LotV because she'll either break standard in half or have so many answers people will complain that she's bad
WotC employees are experts at talking in circles
>>48110939
Goofy "puts things on fire" flavor is usually bad, but I really like this one. It actually has a punch line, for starters.
>>48111713
It's because Cycling is a good mechanic.
>>48111713
>we can't do anything because something might happen
>>48111713
It's almost impressive at this point how their arguments make sense at first glance but on a second reading you realise it's almost always complete bollocks they probably took a few seconds to bash out so the fans were pacified.
>>48107495
On the ultra, no-fun combofag level 7 fucking mana wins you the game, on a level below that you have shit like Hornet Queen and Avenger of ZEN, this thing has no place unless for some reason you really like it and want to make it work for you somehow.
>>48111611
So you're going with the "Print her when she's shit" strategy?
>>48111689
I hate to say it anon, but making Red the dominant colour would making re-printing Blood Moon not very healthy at all. Did you mean making mono-red a weaker colour? I'm confused.
>>48107632
There 5+CMC token producers that don't fucking die to Scooze or Crypt.
>>48111818
Obviously. It'd be the perfect time to print her too, since it means standardfags can open her and then sell her to modern/legacy/vintagefags and be able to actually afford other pricey standard cards.
>>48108517
Because the crowd they're now trying to pull are drooling retards that can't put 1+1 together.
>>48111833
If everyone is playing red then blood moon doesn't mean shit.
It's retarded but it's true.
>>48111818
doesn't that make everyone happy? People who want here reprinted will have more reprints that will cost nothing because she doesn't impact standard and Wizards will be happy because they can reprint a card fans want without it impacting standard and they don't have to do a functional reprint that's a shit version.
>>48111870
Got it in one
>>48111870
Well, in a twisted sort of way, that makes sense. Not sure that's the format I'd want to see though to be honest.
Why couldn't they print it alongside a great deal of powerful multi-coloured cards so it could serve it's original purpose and make playing multi-coloured no longer a safe idea?oh and they should reprint Back to Basics into Modern
>>48111689
What we need is Muraganda. Make sure there's a strong, Basics Matter, theme throughout the block, and print Blood Moon as a way of enforcing it. You'll need the previous block to have had a decent multicolor theme so that Blood Moon works as a hoser against whatever the decks were that would be running against Muraganda's principles.
>>48111870
If everyone was playing Red, and then they reprinted Blood Moon, you'd get the exact same shit we're getting right now with people complaining that they're making even more good green and white cards.
>>48111925oh, and price of progress
>>48108787
Nigger, this thing is a scarier general and all it is a mana-hungry void that wants to shit out a billion tokens ASAP and alpha strike everyone to death, the damned spider doesn't even have that ability.
>>48111925
>>48111973
I hate you and everything you stand for.
>The next person I meet who enjoys counting the number of types in their graveyard will be the first. People don’t enjoy it and aren’t particularly good at it either
Sperling is a cool dude sometimes
>>48111996
Shit, I forgot about her. I need to get around to putting my foil of her into Azusa.
>>48111929
I just thought of something. What if they printed Lightning Bolt and Blood Moon in the same set?
Wouldn't they cancel eachother out, with Lightning Bolt making Red good and Blood Moon therefore being undesirable?
>>48112000there's nothing more fun than punishing people for playing lands they spent hundreds of dollars on
>>48106308
Delver is common
>>48112049
No because Blood Moon also makes red good.
>>48109809
>mad because he has to read opponents cards
>>48112059
>>48112000my other favoured decks are manaless dredge, 8rack, 4 horsemen, canadian threshold, stax/MUD and storm.
Do you still hate me?I think MaRo might :c
>>48111929
This is already a tried and true strategy you can see in some set designs.
For instance, Tunnel Ignus makes absolutely zero sense in the context of Scars of Mirrodin. It's function only becomes obvious when taken in the context of being in the set that came after Zendikar, with Fetches and Landfall being all the rage.
They didn't want to print a huge amount of Land hate in Zendikar, because they wanted to see people playing a bunch of Lands because that was the set mechanic. However, when Scars hit, Tunnel Ignus was a way of saying "Alright, the time for that is over, play with the new mechanics".
To print a powerful hoser like Blood Moon, you would need to do exactly the same thing. Don't print it in the block where it will have the greatest impact, print it in the block that is immediately after that.
>>48112049
You're going by the "Print it when it's shit" strategy too. If you have to make it so it's bad to play Blood Moon to print it, then you're printing it at a bad time.
>>48112121
I never saw Tunnel Ignus ripping up Standard though
>>48112257
The effectiveness of it isn't always very prominent. Ash Zealot was more or less the same.
They're more like pressure release valves, in case R&D underestimated something, than full on metagame defining cards. The influx of other new cards into the metagame coming from the set being released are usually enough to shift focus so that the change is organic instead of being completely reliant on the hosers.
They're not their as the singular standard defining cards, they're just there if they need to be.
>>48111236
I kek at how bad red is nowadays. It's like maro likes shitting on anything red while at the same time printing fuckhuge efficient creatures in white and green because...uh idk. Meanwhile red has only devolved in both power and flavor, black gets nothing but "Hope you like another useless zombie card senpai lmao"
>>48111713
lol. "We have to print tamiyo as UWG because we have to print that way"
>>48113263
Tamiyo would be retarded as a mono blue walker as she is.
>>48113296
It would fit her lore and her abilities.
If they were afraid of people splashing her in decks then make her 1UUU.
>>48113312
Honestly UUUU would've been better.
>>48111145
Yeah, but business and not just WotC need to stop getting involved in politics, especially this gender shit
>>48113329
For you.
>>48108569
I'm not the only one that fixed on that line.
>>48113379
That's part of being a business now.
>>48113379
The fact that the pros make up an old boys club and can get anyone they dont like banned while being immune to the rules is a thousand times bigger of an issue than the SJW nonsense.Other than that fucking awful chick they hired to cast WOTC events with the red hair, god damn she is bad at her job
>>48110512
First planned for a reprint. English2hard
>>48113228
>He thinks Green has always been good or even playable
>>48109377
Wait who's a lesbian?
Chandra?
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